Developer Diary, Part 197 - Discussion

[Bisch]

Uhhhh, wasn’t this version invented especially for Rudel? As a WW II strike pilot how could this be awarded in a WW I campaign?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Just now, Bisch said:

Uhhhh, wasn’t this version invented especially for Rudel? As a WW II strike pilot how could this be awarded in a WW I campaign?

 

It's fairly evident he's referring to IL-2: GB... But it's still ironic given HUR didn't participate an awful lot in the late-war Western Front either.

[Bisch]

However, imho Rudel is no appropriate idol anyway. Couldn’t care less for medals either. I just care for what has been announced in the News here. So all that matters for now is when will the purchase button become active ?

[Jade_Monkey]

2 hours ago, ST_ami7b5 said:

 

Average user 

 

That's called knowing your audience ?

[jojy47jojyrocks]

47 minutes ago, Space_Ghost said:

  

Just curious...

 

Why would they model HUR's one-off propaganda medal?

 

Why would they model an award that was never even awarded?

My apologies...wrong thread. Did not realize in my haste that i was replying to the WW1 plan of IL2 franchise.

 

Every medal is a form of propaganda to push the troops to fight better and motivate them. Rudle's gold Knights cross may have been propaganda, but they had plans to award it to others if the war was going in some to their favour.

 

It would not hurt with their addition either just like the campaign specific awards we already have.

 

This medal was given to Rudle in later stages due to his extreme service and he flew with his grievous injuries...

 

Knights cross of different grades were considered as the war progressed as "they" accumulated so many achievements, kills etc. But as war progressed on and on, the medal/award grades also progressed. Gold Knights cross was considered and planned.

[JGr2/J46_Sturm]

Thank you to the 1C and 777 team. I understand the work that goes into a project like this and I also understand that the following is paramount to the success of the hard work put forth by you all. Even with the two plane early release for this WWI platform, I plan to support it. I am not a very good pilot in WWI which is why I don't play the WWII sets ( poor excuse ). Actually I had a bad experience in IL2 1946 where a group of pilots refused to let me get off the ground and after 30 minutes of trying I finally gave up and never flew IL2 again. I went back to, at that time Red Baron and joined the unit I now belong. I still have no desire to fly WWII but really love the WWI setting and it is my hopes that many people purchase this sim in order to keep you guys busy for a long time.

[Jason_Williams]

2 hours ago, Jasta5J5_Sturm said:

Thank you to the 1C and 777 team. I understand the work that goes into a project like this and I also understand that the following is paramount to the success of the hard work put forth by you all. Even with the two plane early release for this WWI platform, I plan to support it. I am not a very good pilot in WWI which is why I don't play the WWII sets ( poor excuse ). Actually I had a bad experience in IL2 1946 where a group of pilots refused to let me get off the ground and after 30 minutes of trying I finally gave up and never flew IL2 again. I went back to, at that time Red Baron and joined the unit I now belong. I still have no desire to fly WWII but really love the WWI setting and it is my hopes that many people purchase this sim in order to keep you guys busy for a long time.

 

Thank you Sturm - we hope you'll like it. 

 

Jason

[Cpt_Cool]

With all of this quality content about to come out, I think its high time to ask my boss for a raise.

[Lysus]

I'm going to need a scarf!

[JonRedcorn]

My buddy is actually a descendant of Hans Rudel, his last name is Rudell they added the extra L after ww2. Pretty damn cool. He checked it out on one of those family tree sites. A lot of our grandparents were ww2 vets but not everyone's was as bad ass as that. 

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, Lysus said:

I'm going to need a scarf!

You‘ll get a silk one that would actually be useful to clean castor oil from your goggles. It seems Errol Flyn was about the last actor in movies getting a black face from flying.

[AirThor]

On 7/5/2018 at 11:10 PM, Jason_Williams said:

 

Full news - here is a full text and visual materials

 

Jason Williams

Dear sir! I am a longtime fan of RoF. I have bought all available addons for this sim. I would also buy everything from the Flying Circus. But, I have a big request for you. I dream of building a simpit of WW1 airplane. For this project  view without cockpit is needed. As in the old Il-2 or actually almost in all flight sims. Please sir, make a view without cockpit in Flying circus. At least in singleplayer.

With great respect   J.W.

[Bremspropeller]

On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 10:28 PM, ZachariasX said:

You‘ll get a silk one that would actually be useful to clean castor oil from your goggles. It seems Errol Flyn was about the last actor in movies getting a black face from flying.

 

But Errol Flyn didn't just step out of his Manta, did he?

[Dauntless]

On 7/13/2018 at 4:28 PM, ZachariasX said:

You‘ll get a silk one that would actually be useful to clean castor oil from your goggles. It seems Errol Flyn was about the last actor in movies getting a black face from flying.

Check out "Fly Boys" 

[J2_Bidu]

On 7/5/2018 at 11:44 PM, Jason_Williams said:

 

Sorry but you're wrong. The visuals will be better in IL-2 all around. And we never said our models in ROF sucked or were extremely low poly, now they have thousands of more ploys. There comes a point when just adding polys for the sake of adding polys has diminishing returns. The lighting and spec maps in IL-2 are much more realistic then in ROF all around.

 

Anyways, never let a good DD spoil the fun. Not sure what you guys are expecting. ROF was never an ugly product.

 

Jason 

 

I had the opportunity to see your screenshots in a 32'' TV instead of my 24'' monitor.

 

One of the reasons why I didn't see more improvements became much clearer: because, well, I couldn't see them! Small screen with poor brightness is a real pain.

[Poochnboo]

59 minutes ago, Bidu said:

ROF was never an ugly product.

It most certainly wasn't....or isn't. I still fly it. I think it has held up well. Those comparison screenshots prove it, I think. 

[ZachariasX]

38 minutes ago, Poochnboo said:

It most certainly wasn't....or isn't. I still fly it. I think it has held up well. Those comparison screenshots prove it, I think. 

It‘s great. I just installed it again (new rig) after some absence (BoX). And first time with TiR. Had some furball with MARK73. Was just awesome, again. I wil buy a VR setup once FC is out at the latest. As for BoX, distances are a problem for lower resolutions. But FC... oh boy, that will be GRAND!

[Stachel]

We're now in the proverbial 2 week window if the July release holds, so that's something. Really hoping to see this out this week.

[Bisch]

Really hope to see it on friday!

[Cybermat47]

On 7/14/2018 at 6:18 AM, JonRedcorn said:

My buddy is actually a descendant of Hans Rudel, his last name is Rudell they added the extra L after ww2. Pretty damn cool. He checked it out on one of those family tree sites. A lot of our grandparents were ww2 vets but not everyone's was as bad ass as that. 

 

I'd hazard a guess that most of our grandparents weren't accessories to child torture and murder either.  

[bzc3lk]

30 minutes ago, FFS_Cybermat47 said:

 

I'd hazard a guess that most of our grandparents weren't accessories to child torture and murder either.  

 

Don't be to sure of that, obscene crap happened on both sides. Just because it was done as a collective rather than an individual doesn't make it any more palatable.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2015/02/remembering-dresden-70-years-after-the-firebombing/385445/

Edited July 16, 2018 by bzc3lk

[J2_Trupobaw]

[unreasonable]

On 7/15/2018 at 5:57 PM, AirThor said:

 

Jason Williams

Dear sir! I am a longtime fan of RoF. I have bought all available addons for this sim. I would also buy everything from the Flying Circus. But, I have a big request for you. I dream of building a simpit of WW1 airplane. For this project  view without cockpit is needed. As in the old Il-2 or actually almost in all flight sims. Please sir, make a view without cockpit in Flying circus. At least in singleplayer.

With great respect   J.W.

 

Assuming that FC follows the BoX system of external cameras, you will be able to do this, or at least the next best thing which is a view from just in front of the propeller, so just a few meters forwards of the cockpit.  See this thread for how to do it.   This will only work when "allow spectators" is enabled in difficulty settings.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by unreasonable

[TESTRiekopo]

Request: When these dev diary/blog posts are made, they should be given a specific title. Because people like me want to repost these on Reddit and other forums, but don't know what to title them. 'Dev Diary 197' and 'Dev Blog 197' are not descriptive and good titles. No one will have any clue what the post is about. So please, start giving these dev blog/update posts on the Steam Store page and on this forum, proper titles. 

[Rivfader]

Hello, will FC take advantage of upcoming vr set with wider FOV???

[AirThor]

7 hours ago, unreasonable said:

 

Assuming that FC follows the BoX system of external cameras, you will be able to do this, or at least the next best thing which is a view from just in front of the propeller, so just a few meters forwards of the cockpit.  See this thread for how to do it.   This will only work when "allow spectators" is enabled in difficulty settings.

 

 

 

Thank you Sir! But I hope that Mr. Williams let his team to make a "view without cockpit".

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

15 hours ago, TESTRiekopo said:

Request: When these dev diary/blog posts are made, they should be given a specific title. Because people like me want to repost these on Reddit and other forums, but don't know what to title them. 'Dev Diary 197' and 'Dev Blog 197' are not descriptive and good titles. No one will have any clue what the post is about. So please, start giving these dev blog/update posts on the Steam Store page and on this forum, proper titles. 

 

Or, ya know... They could keep using the format they've been using for years... And you could read them and figure out how to title them on your own.

[Gambit21]

That confused him dude.

[Jade_Monkey]

On 7/17/2018 at 8:30 AM, Space_Ghost said:

 

Or, ya know... They could keep using the format they've been using for years... And you could read them and figure out how to title them on your own.

 

That's too much work on his side/ The devs need to come up with a title so he can post it on Reddit without any effort. God forbid he comes up with a one liner for a title.

[Gump]

I really hope the "oily goggles" goes away, or is greatly diminished at least.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

18 minutes ago, Gump said:

I really hope the "oily goggles" goes away, or is greatly diminished at least.

did not many pilots crash simply from oily goggles?
also many got sick (forgot the illness) and the runs from consuming so much caster oil from leaking engines.

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

also many got sick (forgot the illness) and the runs from consuming so much caster oil from leaking engines.

 

Myth

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

10 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Myth

Really?
No sure how you would avoid consuming it with i spraying all over your face as the engines did not have seals or on some no rocker cover to get back the oil.
Scarf only help so much.
Still more evidence they did consume oil than other things some of us take for granted +

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

Really?
No sure how you would avoid consuming it with i spraying all over your face as the engines did not have seals or on some no rocker cover to get back the oil.
Scarf only help so much.
Still more evidence they did consume oil than other things some of us take for granted +

 

It was discussed on the Rise of Flight forums years ago. 

[Zooropa_Fly]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It was discussed on the Rise of Flight forums years ago. 

 

By real WW1 pilots ?

[BladeMeister]

On 7/22/2018 at 5:14 AM, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

did not many pilots crash simply from oily goggles?
also many got sick (forgot the illness) and the runs from consuming so much caster oil from leaking engines.

 

On 7/22/2018 at 10:26 AM, LukeFF said:

 

Myth

 

21 hours ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

Really?
No sure how you would avoid consuming it with i spraying all over your face as the engines did not have seals or on some no rocker cover to get back the oil.
Scarf only help so much.
Still more evidence they did consume oil than other things some of us take for granted +

 

19 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It was discussed on the Rise of Flight forums years ago. 

[Edited]  It works to address all 4 quotes.?

 

S!Blade<><

Edited July 23, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin
unnecesary

[Trooper117]

lol!...

[migmadmarine]

I've read quite a lot of memoirs of pilots of the era and I have yet to see a period source make mention of this issue. 

[Ehret]

40 minutes ago, thenorm said:

I've read quite a lot of memoirs of pilots of the era and I have yet to see a period source make mention of this issue. 

 

The castor oil doesn't contain ricin and the oil itself should be relatively safe. I'd worry about exhaust gases and stuff like the benzene in fuel, thought. Still, they'd be last on the list considering more usual killers like bullets, fire and gravity.

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

By real WW1 pilots ?

 

Yes, quote(s) from real WW1 pilots were sourced. IIRC it was Tom-Cundall who posted the info.

 

EDIT: found the topic: https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/11529-effects-castor-oil-pilots/page-2

 

"Lt Herbert Thompson RNAS "A lot has been made since the war about the effects of the oil from the engines on, shall we say, our digestive systems, I flew various aeroplanes during the war and never once had a problem with it neither do I recall did anyone else. Vomiting before or after a flight was common but that was nerves and not to do with the triplane's engine (although we always blamed it on the boiled eggs the batman supplied us with prior to the patrol)." From the Imperial War Museum Archive."

Edited July 23, 2018 by LukeFF