Game version 3.002 discussion: Game Functionality Update

[Yogiflight]

I didn't even notice yesterdays download. After I read Sneaksie's post, I started the game again, as I was playing it before, and the Hotfix was there.

Edited April 27, 2018 by Yogiflight

[LLv34_Temuri]

8 hours ago, [DBS]Tx_Tip said:

Thanks Sneaksie.

"- Aircraft modifications are lockable by a multiplayer server hoster;"

 

Weaponry and Payloads on Dedicated Server now work when correct plane settings are used and Lock Payloads and Lock Weapon Mods are Unchecked within Dserver Dialog GUI.

Sooo, what's the use of those "Lock Payloads" and "Lock Weapon Mods" settings on the dserver side if all is done in plane settings?

[OBT-Voss]

My game is still frozen in career as soon as I activate the map in the P39. I hoped for a fix for this bug 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

51 minutes ago, NN_Razor said:

Don't know who destroy who wasn't a bad idea to my mind. 

 

What does this mean?

[NN_Razor]

that's mean that when u fight, receveve a chat message indicate who kill who is not the most pertinent. Nothing more. 

[SCG_Tzigy]

just flew on WOL; did not have to double select loadout and paint 

[[DBS]Tx_Tip]

3 hours ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

Sooo, what's the use of those "Lock Payloads" and "Lock Weapon Mods" settings on the dserver side if all is done in plane settings?

 

By using the Plane Settings GUI set WeaponsMods and Payload ID:  Server now locks in those specific settings for the aircraft.

At least that's my understanding of how those function. Actually makes sense. By having them unchecked everything is available unless you, the server admin, restricts certain weaponry. Although Players are free to chose combinations of the weapondry.

By having them checked you are now dictating exactly what the plane setting will be. Without the Player having any choice.

 

[LLv34_Temuri]

22 minutes ago, [DBS]Tx_Tip said:

 

By having them checked you are now dictating exactly what the plane setting will be. Without the Player having any choice.

 

But wouldn't it be the same as allowing only one specific payload in the mission?

[TP_Jacko]

No mention of the bug fix for the checkzone triggers

Edited April 27, 2018 by TP_Jacko

[dburne]

3 minutes ago, TP_Jacko said:

Anyone know what the last  mini patch fixed. The log file did not suggest any clues to me.

 

From the Hotfix post:

 

3.002с hotfix has been released:
- Aircraft modifications are lockable by a multiplayer server hoster;
- Player names correctly appear in the kill messages in the multiplayer chat;
- Certain symbols in the mission or server description won't cause the GUI to display an empty screen;
- Camera settings save correctly;
- The map automatically centers in the server lobby;
- Radio command menu functions correctly after a mission start on the ground;
- AI Fw 190 correctly take off in large groups;
- Clouds are visible in the rearview mirror during Winter;
- Static objects damage has been fixed;
- A rare crash that could happen during the mission closing has been fixed.

[TP_Jacko]

thanks dburne

 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Fix has not fixed MP names and still no round timer. 

[Sneaksie]

The server needs to be updated as well for MP names to show correctly.

[[DBS]Tx_Tip]

2 hours ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

But wouldn't it be the same as allowing only one specific payload in the mission?

 

You no longer have that option by just using the Available Mods or Payloads option within the Plane Settings

Lock Payloads needs to be checked within the Dserver GUI settings.

For Example:

He-111H-6

Set WeaponMods ID: No settings.

Set Payload ID: "Empty"

Set Available Mods : 1/2

Set Available Payloads to whatever you wish: 0..13

 

With the Lock Payloads option checked and the Lock Weapons Mods unchecked within the Dserver GUI Settings.

Player has the ability to use the 20mm Nose or UnderBelly Guns but are locked into having an Empty Payload. 

 

2 hours ago, TP_Jacko said:

No mention of the bug fix for the checkzone triggers

 

Quick Test...

For CoOP Missions run within the In Game CoOP server. CheckZones again work as normal.

For Dogfight Missions run within the In Game Dogfight server. CheckZones still do not work.

 

For Dedicated Dservers. CoOP or Dogfight Missions. CheckZones have always worked as normal.

[coconut]

I think I understand how it works now:

• The DServer flags lock players to the payload ID and/or the weapon mods selected in the drop-downs in the middle of the dialog in the editor.
• The "Available" filters are always active, regardless of the DServer flags. An empty filter means "all are available".

I did my tests using the in-game server, I hope DServer works the same way.

6 hours ago, LLv34_Temuri said:

But wouldn't it be the same as allowing only one specific payload in the mission?

Yes, that's confusing me somewhat. I mean, I think I understand the new system, but I don't understand what new it offers that the old system could not offer.

2 hours ago, [DBS]Tx_Tip said:

You no longer have that option by just using the Available Mods or Payloads option within the Plane Settings

Yes you still have that option, I just tested it. Set an IL-2 mod1942 with availability filters 2 (mods) and 4 (payloads), set the drop-downs to that too, start server without anything locked, and you are locked to the one loadout that matches the filters.

[=/WoVi/=kirumovka]

This is a pretty selfish request, but is there any possibility of increasing the default max ping a server can tolerate by 50msec? Currently as a west australian, there are no mainstream daytime servers that will accept me without likely kicking me within ten or so minutes (namely TAW, Berloga and WoL). The only solution I can probably get is to subscribe to a VPN service, and from what I know, and they likely won't work well becuase my connection always routes through hawaii via sydney to get out of the country, meaning that I'd have to pay for an expensive local VPN service if I want to achieve lower latencies.

There are free temporary-connection VPN services out there, but I've tried them, and knowing their locations, they aren't effective at all anyway and do little to improve my latency. By default, my connection in a nut shell, goes around the earth's circumference to reach the russian servers (perth-sydney-san fransisco-new york-EU-Moscow-Server location, such as Berloga, which is located in middle-eastern-ish russia). Of course joining an empty server with no players is always an option, but seeding a populous game in IL-2 isn't effective until you gain at least 10 players on the server, and seeding a game with IL-2 is also made harder by the fact that the game isn't friendly to seeders either in both hardware and software restrictions.

[Guest deleted@83466]

The WOL server already has a limit of 450, which in my opinion, is way too high.  Above 200, certainly 250, you get situations where people can warp out of your gunsight and get on your six like a spaceship, (and probably already shot you down a half second ago, before you even saw his guns fire!)  Getting booted from a server because you have a high ping time sucks for sure, but I think that some consideration needs to be made to others.  

Edited April 27, 2018 by SeaSerpent

[IckyATLAS]

When playing a recorded sequence and visualizing using F2 a given plane there is the mouse arrow that stays in the picture and moves around as one moves the mouse to rotate around the plane and does not go away which is very annoying.

In all the visualization functions where the mouse is used just to move around in a given image, the mouse pointing arrow is useless and should never be displayed. 

Is this a bug or something else?

 

[chiliwilly]

On 4/26/2018 at 1:32 PM, Han said:

 

It's locked by server hoster by his idea of mission story. So this lock is optional for server master.

That's not the case here. some of us are having no availability o f load out options while other people in the server have the options. It started after the update. The previous night everything  on that server was available as it always is.

 

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

8 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

When playing a recorded sequence and visualizing using F2 a given plane there is the mouse arrow that stays in the picture and moves around as one moves the mouse to rotate around the plane and does not go away which is very annoying.

In all the visualization functions where the mouse is used just to move around in a given image, the mouse pointing arrow is useless and should never be displayed. 

Is this a bug or something else?

 

most likely caused by NVIDIA shadowplay, or an overlay. on my end F2 viewing is fine. 

Edited April 28, 2018 by 71st_AH_Mastiff

[216th_Jordan]

21 hours ago, =BMAD=kirumovka said:

This is a pretty selfish request, but is there any possibility of increasing the default max ping a server can tolerate by 50msec? Currently as a west australian, there are no mainstream daytime servers that will accept me without likely kicking me within ten or so minutes (namely TAW, Berloga and WoL). The only solution I can probably get is to subscribe to a VPN service, and from what I know, and they likely won't work well becuase my connection always routes through hawaii via sydney to get out of the country, meaning that I'd have to pay for an expensive local VPN service if I want to achieve lower latencies.

There are free temporary-connection VPN services out there, but I've tried them, and knowing their locations, they aren't effective at all anyway and do little to improve my latency. By default, my connection in a nut shell, goes around the earth's circumference to reach the russian servers (perth-sydney-san fransisco-new york-EU-Moscow-Server location, such as Berloga, which is located in middle-eastern-ish russia). Of course joining an empty server with no players is always an option, but seeding a populous game in IL-2 isn't effective until you gain at least 10 players on the server, and seeding a game with IL-2 is also made harder by the fact that the game isn't friendly to seeders either in both hardware and software restrictions.

 

Do you use Wifi ot Ethernet cable?

[Habu]

22 hours ago, =BMAD=kirumovka said:

This is a pretty selfish request, but is there any possibility of increasing the default max ping a server can tolerate by 50msec? Currently as a west australian, there are no mainstream daytime servers that will accept me without likely kicking me within ten or so minutes (namely TAW, Berloga and WoL). The only solution I can probably get is to subscribe to a VPN service, and from what I know, and they likely won't work well becuase my connection always routes through hawaii via sydney to get out of the country, meaning that I'd have to pay for an expensive local VPN service if I want to achieve lower latencies.

There are free temporary-connection VPN services out there, but I've tried them, and knowing their locations, they aren't effective at all anyway and do little to improve my latency. By default, my connection in a nut shell, goes around the earth's circumference to reach the russian servers (perth-sydney-san fransisco-new york-EU-Moscow-Server location, such as Berloga, which is located in middle-eastern-ish russia). Of course joining an empty server with no players is always an option, but seeding a populous game in IL-2 isn't effective until you gain at least 10 players on the server, and seeding a game with IL-2 is also made harder by the fact that the game isn't friendly to seeders either in both hardware and software restrictions.

You have to ask to every admin of the server where you play. The ping limit is a setting which is set on 300 by default, but that setting can be afjust by  administrator from the server.

 

And a VPN will never give you a better ping. A VPN would increase your ping.

 

Do you use the launcher for playing the game ?

[=/WoVi/=kirumovka]

20 hours ago, Habu said:

And a VPN will never give you a better ping. A VPN would increase your ping.

 

Do you use the launcher for playing the game ?

It will if it re-routes through the middle east to access the european hub rather than well, going around the earth.

Also, are you sure it is set to 300 by default? Because if that's the case, and it isn't set-able (According to another user), that implies that I shouldn't even be able to play on any online server except unprofesisonals (AU), unless they are located in western or middle US such as dallas (whereever that is) and san fransisco

20 hours ago, 216th_Jordan said:

 

Do you use Wifi ot Ethernet cable?

Wifi or not, it actually makes very little difference to latency. I'm using a direct ethernet to fibre optic conversion modem.

[IckyATLAS]

21 hours ago, 71st_AH_Mastiff said:

most likely caused by NVIDIA shadowplay, or an overlay. on my end F2 viewing is fine. 

I do not have Nvidia shadowplay installed. As for an overlay it is not clear to me where it would come from. When I use F2 or Alt F2 or other functions like F4 etc.. I have never the pointer arrow that is visible during the normal game session, and during the recording. It is only when I play the session recorded with the IL2 internal recorder that I have the pointer arrow that appears when using the mouse with the various visualization keys. Is there a way to turn off the pointer arrow?

[Habu]

3 hours ago, =BMAD=kirumovka said:

Also, are you sure it is set to 300 by default? Because if that's the case, and it isn't set-able (According to another user), that implies that I shouldn't even be able to play on any online server except unprofesisonals (AU), unless they are located in western or middle US such as dallas (whereever that is) and san fransisco

Yes, the default setting was 300 (i didn't check in the last version), but as i said, any administrator can increase or decrease the value. On my server, i set it on unlimited, because i have friends who have some connection problem.

 

Playing with wifi can be  a part of the problem. The wifi is not a stable connection. There are some variations. But you are not in wifi.

 

You didn't answer if you are using the launcher to play the game.

 

[Cpt_Siddy]

Black screens, grayed out start buttons, yeah.... boo hiss.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

1 hour ago, CptSiddy said:

Black screens, grayed out start buttons, yeah.... boo hiss.

vague....

[Missionbug]

3 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Mastiff said:

vague....

 

 

Not sure if the same issue but for me the splashscreens have gone, just Black now where once there were images as things loaded.

 

A bug or intentional change by the developers?

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[SCG_motoadve]

Latest hot fix introduced reduced VR performance and stutters.

 

[Falcon41]

I'm experiencing an interesting thing now with the new hotfix.  Older single missions now show up in the missions category, but when I attempt to edit them I cannot find them in the ME.  Any suggestions?

[Jade_Monkey]

52 minutes ago, Falcon41 said:

I'm experiencing an interesting thing now with the new hotfix.  Older single missions now show up in the missions category, but when I attempt to edit them I cannot find them in the ME.  Any suggestions?

 

The editor's "open file" interface is looking for the .mission files, not he binary msnbn files.

However, it can sill read the binary files, you just have to type in the file name and extension.

[Dave]

On 29/04/2018 at 11:22 PM, =BMAD=kirumovka said:

It will if it re-routes through the middle east to access the european hub rather than well, going around the earth.

The route traversed is not determined by a VPN. It is decided by backbone providers' border gateway and autonomous system routing rules. These take into account peering relationships between providers, cost, expected and measured latency, link state, link utilisation, congestion, cost and capacity between peering networks. There isn't even a single consistent path taken by packets traversing the Internet, due to the factors above and the underlying design of the Internet to be fault tolerant.

Unless your VPN provider has built a shadow internet or owns significantly (in terms of Internet scale) large AS's they have little control over the flow of traffic beyond their own directly controlled networks in a way that could shorten the communication path relative to that taken by unencapsulated IP traffic.

VPNs almost never reduce latency (it isn't impossible though) - and they always add overhead that increases it. They may also encapsulate traffic in ways that defeat a game's mechanisms to reduce latency - eg by tunnelling UDP inside SSTP. 

 

One way the path could be shortened physically is if your VPN tunnel connected from Perth to say Dubai or somewhere in India. But AS routing rules are designed in the main to minimise the transit time between origin and destination addresses. There is a reason the Perth to Indonesia and Middle East links are avoided - they are the oldest cables out of Australia with very low capacities and the other ends are in countries with shithouse network connectivity.

[Firestorm07]

14 minutes ago, Dave said:

The route traversed is not determined by a VPN. It is decided by backbone providers' border gateway and autonomous system routing rules. These take into account peering relationships between providers, cost, expected and measured latency, link state, link utilisation, congestion, cost and capacity between peering networks. There isn't even a single consistent path taken by packets traversing the Internet, due to the factors above and the underlying design of the Internet to be fault tolerant.

Unless your VPN provider has built a shadow internet or owns significantly (in terms of Internet scale) large AS's they have little control over the flow of traffic beyond their own directly controlled networks in a way that could shorten the communication path relative to that taken by unencapsulated IP traffic.

VPNs almost never reduce latency (it isn't impossible though) - and they always add overhead that increases it. They may also encapsulate traffic in ways that defeat a game's mechanisms to reduce latency - eg by tunnelling UDP inside SSTP. 

 

When UDP is tunneling inside SSTP does the VPN act like TNT for my ISP while the FTP links to my USB?

 

And that's why I'm not working in IT.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Firestorm07

[Falcon41]

Jade,

     Thanks for the help I’m still learning the ME

11 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

The editor's "open file" interface is looking for the .mission files, not he binary msnbn files.

However, it can sill read the binary files, you just have to type in the file name and extension.

 

[Falcon41]

Jade,

     I've also noticed that the syntax of placing text into the mission description seems to have changed.  Is this correct or is it because of an older file format?

[Jade_Monkey]

2 hours ago, Falcon41 said:

Jade,

     I've also noticed that the syntax of placing text into the mission description seems to have changed.  Is this correct or is it because of an older file format?

I did not notice that, it could be a new format. I've had very little time for IL2 lately.

Using the resave tool in the editor *might* help.

[=/WoVi/=kirumovka]

5 hours ago, Dave said:

There is a reason the Perth to Indonesia and Middle East links are avoided - they are the oldest cables out of Australia with very low capacities and the other ends are in countries with shithouse network connectivity.

That could be the case for the direct perth-singapore connection, which is actually a connection that will work on certain ISPs, but a lot of ISPs these days seem to prefer to route through hawaii instead. My old ISP said they chose the network because it was cheapest, and had little to do with the connection quality, and mentioned something about contracts. The funny thing is that my current ISP is actually a singaporean company and my current routing is essentially identicle to my previous ISP's preferred route. Something related however, was that there was multiple incidents between 2014 and 2016-ish where boats ran aground over the wiring surrounding singapore, but that has long since been repaired. Iirc they didn't actually happen directly on the singapore-perth line though after the 2014 incident, iirc it was thialand that had the major internet blackout problems, and nothing ever happened with the middle east-singapore line.

And yes about using VPN as you said, it can reduce latency if it is located in a place like the middle east. I'm not that dumb to accept logic like connecting VPN located in antarctica and expect it to reduce my latency for connecting to sydney from perth. However it is apparently possible to redirect routing through vpn that isn't at a deliberate middle of the intended route location like india, but rather having one at the destination such as in Paris. I'm not sure how that works however, so maybe VPNs do have some control over chosen routing.
 

On 4/30/2018 at 12:54 AM, Habu said:

You didn't answer if you are using the launcher to play the game.

Yes and no. Makes no difference anyway. I usually start without the launcher but I play the game with steam overlay since I cannot alt tab out without the game freezing (for purposes such as the need to register for each campaign of TAW or online calculators etc.)

[Habu]

32 minutes ago, =BMAD=kirumovka said:

Yes and no. Makes no difference anyway. I usually start without the launcher but I play the game with steam overlay since I cannot alt tab out without the game freezing (for purposes such as the need to register for each campaign of TAW or online calculators etc.)

Yes it makes some difference for those who have some low connection, or having some trouble with their connection. Do not use the launcher to play the game.

[216th_Jordan]

On 29.4.2018 at 3:22 PM, =BMAD=kirumovka said:

 

Wifi or not, it actually makes very little difference to latency. I'm using a direct ethernet to fibre optic conversion modem.

 

Wifi will in almost all cases produce packet loss and sometimes high jitter or connection interferences lasting multiple hundreds of milliseconds, thats why with wifi you get a lot of disconnects in Il-2 MP.

 

But as you habe ethernet its rather bad routing by the ISPs.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I highly recommend the power line solutions instead of WiFi. It works like a charm!