Developer Diary, Part 173 - Discussion

[tomkes]

I'm looking forward to the awards. Seems like an awful lot of detail went into them!

[LLv34_Wmaker]

Which would make it a recon plane, i.e., not relevant to what BoS is modeling. 

 

 

No, it wouldn't make it a recon plane. It would make it a G-6 equipped with MW-50 injection system which you claimed no G-6 had.

 

I don't think G-6 in BoX should have MW-50 as it is completely out of BoX time frame. I was just correcting your incorrect claim that having MW.50 would make the coming plane automatically a G-14.

[Livai]

BTW MW-50 same time-line as Kuban bridgehead, by Late summer 1943 the Bf 109G-6/R6 showed up with the DB-605-AM Engine that use MW-50. Mainly against USAAF bombers........
 

[Roast]

I think, simular to Bf110G-2, they (Devs) will keep later modifications of Bf109G-6 for future add.... wait, oh shiiii.....

 

Ah, I see. Kursk '43 and/or Crimea '44 

[707shap_Srbin]

Ah, I see. Kursk '43 and/or Crimea '44 

I hope for Battle of Karelia '44 or Battle of Dnieper '43.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I hope for Battle of Karelia '44 or Battle of Dnieper '43.

 If it includes TURRETS, count on me 

[USMCbrianbrush]

hype

[Eclipse4349]

Looks like my flight gear will be coming out of retirement soon!

[Mac_Messer]

Oh man. Online coops and the G6...the hype is real. I suppose the new 109 will be a standalone Collector Plane?

 

What next on the surprise dish? Li2? P47?

The G-6's performance, while slightly worse than the G-2, is not nearly as bad as some are making it to be. It's still a Bf-109, only now it doesn't have as much of an advantage in T/W ratio but it compensates by having actual machine guns instead of BB guns like its predecessors.

If in BoK the 13mm is going to be anywhere closer to the .50cal then it`s a great weapon. And the veterans will put up a good fight with it against the La5FN regardless.

 

I think the G6 should feature the MK108 and even all the wunderwaffe field mods. Just make it possible to block it offline/online. The MK108 I`ve always used for IL2 busting...would be very disapointed if it didn`t make it into the game.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Mac_Messer

[w00dy]

Well after reading this developer diary, I had to buy BOK

 

I took the spitfire out for the first time tonight and loved it, I hope they do the Hurricane one day.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Oh man. Online coops and the G6...the hype is real. I suppose the new 109 will be a standalone Collector Plane?

 

What next on the surprise dish? Li2? P47?

If in BoK the 13mm is going to be anywhere closer to the .50cal then it`s a great weapon. And the veterans will put up a good fight with it against the La5FN regardless.

 

I think the G6 should feature the MK108 and even all the wunderwaffe field mods. Just make it possible to block it offline/online. The MK108 I`ve always used for IL2 busting...would be very disapointed if it didn`t make it into the game.

 

That single MG131 on the back of the He111H-16 has done a number on me a few times. A pair of them should work wonders for the Bf109s forward firepower with this series and its damage model.

 

Well after reading this developer diary, I had to buy BOK

 

I took the spitfire out for the first time tonight and loved it, I hope they do the Hurricane one day.

 

Awesome! Welcome to the series. Given enough time, I hope they do a Hurricane as well!

[w00dy]

That single MG131 on the back of the He111H-16 has done a number on me a few times. A pair of them should work wonders for the Bf109s forward firepower with this series and its damage model.

 

 

Awesome! Welcome to the series. Given enough time, I hope they do a Hurricane as well!

 

Thanks for the welcome, I already own the BOS and BOM and both campaigns. I'm very much a lurker on these forums, the reason for my low post count and only play single player.

 

I guess I'm one of the silent many...  

[Roast]

I hope for Battle of Karelia '44 or Battle of Dnieper '43.

Karelia '44, certainly. Even more forrests on the map

and the possibility to add planes from the Winter War, such as the Buffalo and Fokker D.XXI, so we

can fly two different scenarios

 

Battle of Dnieper '43 sounds interesting, although I am not that familiar with the details.

One of the reasons that I vote for Kursk '43 are the massive tank operations on the battlefield, and resulting fires and

smoke over the fields. I just love smoke, one of the things I like about the Stalingrad map

Edited October 3, 2017 by Roast

[Yogiflight]

 

 

One of the reasons that I vote for Kursk '43 are the massive tank operations on the battlefield

But how do you want to simulate this with 10 vs. 10 tanks (or let's say 20 vs. 20) on the map?

[Roast]

But how do you want to simulate this with 10 vs. 10 tanks (or let's say 20 vs. 20) on the map?

Yes, I fully understand. It would mean that dev team makes a series of tanks, artillery, trucks and such

But understand that every update later than Kuban means that some later types of tanks, trucks etc. will

have to be added. For the simple reason that we don´t fly over empty fields and roads

[Habu]

But how do you want to simulate this with 10 vs. 10 tanks (or let's say 20 vs. 20) on the map?

You are not uptodate. We played one of my mission in multiplayer (54 players if my memory is good), and i have 70 vehicles for russian with T34, T70, Ba64, KV1 42, Katouchia, truck zis 61 and 2 truck convoy. On the german side, there were around 20 units (if i remember). Only the russians were in movment.

 

As i monitored my server during the mission, i'm prettty sure that i can use the double for the russian.

 

The topic of the mission, you'll find inside some screens and vidéo.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/31007-mercredi-6-septembre-kuban-la-bataille-danapa/

[707shap_Srbin]

Karelia '44, certainly. Even more forrests on the map

and the possibility to add planes from the Winter War, such as the Buffalo and Fokker D.XXI, so we

can fly two different scenarios

 

Battle of Dnieper '43 sounds interesting, although I am not that familiar with the details.

One of the reasons that I vote for Kursk '43 are the massive tank operations on the battlefield, and resulting fires and

smoke over the fields. I just love smoke, one of the things I like about the Stalingrad map

Battle of Dnieper saw even larger tank clashes, and very massive air operations.

[Finkeren]

The battle for Lower Dniepr was an amazing operation but has been woefully ignored by historians in favor of battles like Kursk or Stalingrad. If it wasn't for the fact that crossing a mile-wide river doesn't technically count, it would have been the largest amphibian operation in history. It was also the largest paratrooper operation undertaken by the Red Army (it was a spectacular failure though). The weeks long desperate battles to secure the bridgeheads desserve to be covered by a movie at some point - and a flight sim as well.

[Soilworker]

Man, so excited about this update! :D

[707shap_Srbin]

The battle for Lower Dniepr was an amazing operation but has been woefully ignored by historians in favor of battles like Kursk or Stalingrad. If it wasn't for the fact that crossing a mile-wide river doesn't technically count, it would have been the largest amphibian operation in history. It was also the largest paratrooper operation undertaken by the Red Army (it was a spectacular failure though). The weeks long desperate battles to secure the bridgeheads desserve to be covered by a movie at some point - and a flight sim as well.

More to say, beside Dnieper crossing, battle of Fastov (a sity SE from Kiev) was actually the biggest tank battle on Eastern front in scale. Amount of tanks were even larger comparing to Kursk battle.

Edited October 3, 2017 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[Roast]

Battle of Dnieper saw even larger tank clashes, and very massive air operations.

 

Good to hear, and therefore nice if such a scenario is chosen. Lesser known battles/campaigns

are always welcome

[Gambit21]

But how do you want to simulate this with 10 vs. 10 tanks (or let's say 20 vs. 20) on the map?

Habu is correct - many more units are possible.

[Yogiflight]

 

 

You are not uptodate. We played one of my mission in multiplayer (54 players if my memory is good), and i have 70 vehicles for russian with T34, T70, Ba64, KV1 42, Katouchia, truck zis 61 and 2 truck convoy. On the german side, there were around 20 units (if i remember). Only the russians were in movment.

 

 

 

Habu is correct - many more units are possible.

 

The question is, will players like me, with an i5 4440@ 3.1GHz and a 750Ti, be able to play this? Or will the game then run with half speed, as I experienced it already in one mission of Jade_Monkey's FW190 campaign, and in some PWCG missions?

[Habu]

It's you graphic card your bottleneck. Here is my PC : Q9650 (stock, no overclocking), 8 GO, 980 GTX with 4 GO, SSD for the system, and another SSD for the game. For the graphic settings, i'm on high. But my PC is old, and should be changed. You have to adapt your graphic settings to your PC.

 

But if you want to test, i can run the mission on my server.

Edited October 3, 2017 by Habu

[Uufflakke]

Kursk '43, Crimea '44, Karelia '44 or Dnieper '43...

 

Since the dev team moves to the Pacific the question is who are going to make all these maps and its necessary objects?

It needs at least a few volunteers to dive into it.  And there is no manual around of how-to-make-maps (devs have no time to make one).

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Actually there are manuals on how to make maps, the ones for Rise of Flight apply to BoX so the knowledge from it isn't lost.

 

Also they're not moving to the Pacific, they're planning two to three Pacific modules and then the future is open-ended.

[Jade_Monkey]

Also they're not moving to the Pacific, they're planning two to three Pacific modules and then the future is open-ended.

Lol potatoe, potato.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Not quite, since the future being open ended makes it more likely that 1CGS itself will tackle the next Great Patriotic War expansion instead of needing 3rd party input to accomplish it as suggested.

[Juri_JS]

Actually there are manuals on how to make maps, the ones for Rise of Flight apply to BoX so the knowledge from it isn't lost.

Really? Where can I find the map making manuals. The only ones I've found so far are only in Russian.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Not quite, since the future being open ended makes it more likely that 1CGS itself will tackle the next Great Patriotic War expansion instead of needing 3rd party input to accomplish it as suggested.

I'd be very surprised, considering the PTO is a success, if we didn't continue to branch out rather than return to the Eastern Front after Okinawa. There is plenty to explore still.

[56RAF_Roblex]

I'd be very surprised, considering the PTO is a success, if we didn't continue to branch out rather than return to the Eastern Front after Okinawa. There is plenty to explore still.

 

I think you are right.  A well made  Pacific theatre with good planeset would sell extremely well and make 1C think seriously about continuing in that theatre for more than three expansions  instead of returning to Russia or going somewhere else interesting such as Burma or New Guinea.   I am not saying that is good for the combat flightsim genre and I am not ignoring the big challenges involved in making that first Pacific based game but *if* IL2 does a good job of Midway then it will be bought by a lot more Americans and that is a huge market and all games need players and income.   OTOH, making a Russian theatre game in the first place was a deliberate decision to not pander to US tastes so maybe they will stick to their original resolution and move on to another less well known area.

[Jade_Monkey]

Not quite, since the future being open ended makes it more likely that 1CGS itself will tackle the next Great Patriotic War expansion instead of needing 3rd party input to accomplish it as suggested.

Just my personal opinion, but i think once we leave the eastern front, the amount of people willing to come back will be tiny. By the time they decide to move on from the Pacific, people will be looking forward to other areas such as the bombing raids from the UK or Italy.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I am hoping the next roadmap is for a 43/44 Western Tactical trilogy - France and Low Countries, Italy/Med, and some third thingy. After that; China Burma India. After that; back to wrap up in the east. After that; Korea.

 

KEEP BUYING PEOPLE!!!!!

[Uufflakke]

I'd be very surprised, considering the PTO is a success, if we didn't continue to branch out rather than return to the Eastern Front after Okinawa. There is plenty to explore still.

 

DESERT!

[Jade_Monkey]

I'd love to see all the Italian planes, especially the Serie 5 ones.

 

That paired with the P47 flying from the mediterranean into italy oh god!

 

I know this will never get done though one can dream

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Just my personal opinion, but i think once we leave the eastern front, the amount of people willing to come back will be tiny. By the time they decide to move on from the Pacific, people will be looking forward to other areas such as the bombing raids from the UK or Italy.

That's the American perspective, those are the theatres you can relate to

 

Their biggest markets are Russia and Germany. Enthusiasm for the Pacific in those areas is generally low, comparable to the American one for the Soviet front.

 

I'm confident that once both theatres have three or so expansions we'll see the liberation of Europe in 1944 modelled, and probably alternated releases.

[Finkeren]

That's the American perspective, those are the theatres you can relate to

 

Their biggest markets are Russia and Germany. Enthusiasm for the Pacific in those areas is generally low, comparable to the American one for the Soviet front.

 

I'm confident that once both theatres have three or so expansions we'll see the liberation of Europe in 1944 modelled, and probably alternated releases.

That would be my dream scenario. A Bagration chapter would be amazing.

 

Still hoping for a small package of 1941 planes to go with the Odessa map at some point though.

[Uufflakke]

That's the American perspective, those are the theatres you can relate to

 

Their biggest markets are Russia and Germany. Enthusiasm for the Pacific in those areas is generally low, comparable to the American one for the Soviet front.

 

I'm confident that once both theatres have three or so expansions we'll see the liberation of Europe in 1944 modelled, and probably alternated releases.

 

The choice of the next scenario has been talked over and over many times. As we all know.

We also know that the Liberation of Europe is not so realistic. Given the amount of work needed to create a densily populated Western Europe.

It is not for nothing that flying over Moscow is not possible. Imagine all the cities in Das Ruhrgebiet or Berlin. Not to mention the hundreds of other cities, towns and villages in Western Europe.

 

But we all can dream...

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

In 1944 there were offensives all the way from Crimea and Leningrad to the German borders. Lots and lots of interesting scenarios there, and great aircraft to go with it too

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

It's just a personal thought

 

The problem I see on the Pacific air front (Battle of Midway) is that it will be very difficult to do a pilot campaign mode as it was 4 days of fighting. The Pacific Maps also do not serve to make an online campaign on servers where they win or lose territory according to the actions of the participants.

 

I know that the development team has chosen it as a product that is very much wanted by the USA market. I think the map that contains more markets is D-Day and later battles, because it is interesting for the market where there were countries involved in WWII like USA, England, Canada and pilots from all over the Commonwealth, Poland, France, Republica Czech and Germany ... But perhaps it is a niche market that is already touched by another developer like Digital Combat Simulator World, and perhaps CoD. But it is the air front where you can fly: Bf-109 | FW-190 | Spitfire | Hurricane | P-51 | P-47 | P-38 | Mosquito | Typhoon and all kinds of bombers.

 

With the maps of the Pacific, I think it will happen as it did with those of IL-2 Sturmovik de Oleg. At first they were a novelty, but soon nobody wanted to fly hours over hundreds of kilometers on a blue-gray surface (sea). In the Pacific there were only a few air combats that lasted more than a week or two, maybe the Japanese front , Chinese and Russian