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To be honest, if there will be a hurrycane, i would welcome it instead of the FN, why? Cause we can later use the Brit plane in the pacific together with other brit planes. Something like a FAA DLC for il2 BOX

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hopefully it will be a late 1943 bf109 G6

 

and not only 20mm nosegun

If you look at the 3D model, you can see, that it has the long radio mast, so it's an early G6.

 

It might still get a 30mm gun as an option.

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If you look at the 3D model, you can see, that it has the long radio mast, so it's an early G6.

 

It might still get a 30mm gun as an option.

 

Yes, nice find. You're right.

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Wish I could throw my wallet at the screen, have you considered selling physical goods ? T shirts, mugs, key rings etc ?

 

Better than an IL-2 T-shirt/mug/key-ring... would be a "IL-2 Wallet". ;)

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To be honest, if there will be a hurrycane, i would welcome it instead of the FN, why? Cause we can later use the Brit plane in the pacific together with other brit planes. Something like a FAA DLC for il2 BOX

 

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Can some Devs confirm we will get 30mm Mk108 in the nose ?

 

This aircraft doesn't bring too much new things if we don't get Mk108 and Erla canopy (only MG131)

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Can some Devs confirm we will get 30mm Mk108 in the nose ?

 

This aircraft doesn't bring too much new things if we don't get Mk108 and Erla canopy (only MG131)

it's better armored too and MG 131 is all the reason i need to get it...plus Hartamann skin for all the Hartmanns out there  :lol:

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Given the (very reasonable) push-pulling of some introduction dates for collector plane mods previously, I would think there is still a chance, although unlikely, of the Erla haube. I would be rather surprised and a little sad if the 30 mm isn't an option though, given the great track record of offering something unique with all the collector planes to date. 

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Better than an IL-2 T-shirt/mug/key-ring... would be a "IL-2 Wallet". ;)

 

I'd buy it, along with my IL2 VVS and LW Bomber Jackets complete with embroidered wings with the IL2 logo in the middle. 

 

Aww now I want those !! Can I have one of each, size L please ;)

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Would it be possible that there is a selectable modification for the canopy of the G-6 ?

(Early and late). 

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yeah without  the 30mm  (mod)  it would be pretty useless.....    heavy, slow and bad manueverbility  + low ammo amount ... and I think the 13mm wont be any good because only 600rounds  instead of 1000rnds   and like the other german guns  I think the mg131 wont be that good ;D 

 

 

 

 

 

BUT Anyway I will buy it  like all other  buyable IL-2 Additions    ;)

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yeah without  the 30mm  (mod)  it would be pretty useless.....    heavy, slow and bad manueverbility  + low ammo amount ... and I think the 13mm wont be any good because only 600rounds  instead of 1000rnds   and like the other german guns  I think the mg131 wont be that good ;D 

 

 

 

 

 

BUT Anyway I will buy it  like all other  buyable IL-2 Additions    ;)

 

To be fair, I'm not a LW pilot, but don't underestimate the power of two .50 cals. That is a massive firepower upgrade.

 

Just ask any Mig-3 pilots...  even though we can upgun to two 20mm cannons, most of them agree that the .50 cals are better.

 

Heck, even the one .50 cal on the Yak-1b is pretty good.

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Hum... other surprises? 

 

Yak-9, anyone?

Hopefully  :)  (with the 37 mm cannon as an option as well).

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and I think the 13mm wont be any good because only 600rounds instead of 1000rnds and like the other german guns I think the mg131 wont be that good ;D

 

The MiG-3 armed with 2xUBS 12.7mm with 700 rounds is a murderous beast. The G6 will have that and an MG151/20 to boot.

 

The Yak-7B is going to have pretty much the same weapon combination as the G6, but with about half the ammo (only 150 rounds per gun for the MGs IIRC) Does that make it useless?

 

At any rate 600 rounds of 13mm has loads more damage potential than 1000rounds of 7.9mm.

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the  german "MG131 13mm"  has like the  italy  "Breda-SAFAT 12.7mm" a very low bullet velocity ...  lower than  M2 Browning or Berezin UB   so they will be bad..  

 

and dont forget the "good"  HE Damage Model in IL-2 BoX .... MG151/20.....   and MG131 has  2HE and 1AP only so...

 

 

I know the  UBS 12.7mm are very good like the  M2 12.7mm ..  But just try the MC 202 with default weapons  "2x BS  12.7mm   its very very very bad ;D

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This aircraft doesn't bring too much new things if we don't get Mk108 and Erla canopy (only MG131)

 

The notion that it may not represent a competitive improvement over previous versions is a secondary issue to me. Though on this point though I quite agree with Finkeren. You trade out your puny rifle calibre machineguns for some real big hitters. For the same reason (1 vs 7b) I'm looking forward to the new Yak. Less enemy aircraft will turn on you after surviving your first attack. Also, more firepower on the centreline means you don't have to boot up your bird to get more lead out, and that means less rolling innertia versus the kannonenboot.

 

From the viewpoint of the G6's historical role, it's the perfect choice. As a major service type its significance and fitness to go into sim is undeniable. What you get is the chance to tell another huge chunk of the Eastern Front story with exactly the right plane.

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The MG 131 was nowhere near as bad as the 12.7mm Breda-SAFAT.

 

Certainly it had mediocre muzzle velocity, but unlike the Breda it had very good rate of fire. The gun also had the added benefit of a firing trajectory very similar to the MG 151/20 making a combination of these guns work well together.

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Guys,

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Selling mugs and t-shirts is a logistical nightmare. We have customers all over the world. Shipping a package to out of the way places is a pain in the ass and won't generate a profi just a headache for me.

 

Jason

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Don't worry Jason, people are just expressing their support and enthusiasm for the brand - specifically the brand as you have built it in recent times. Noone's upset you're not selling mugs, they're pretend upset they don't have even more venues to show you support and express their pride :)

Re: Guns again - As much as I love the Russian 12.7's, I have absolutely no delusions about getting comparable effects from the 131's. Regardless of the performance though, 600 rounds is a very decent ammo load. I think I'm just excited about the amazing Yak 1b visibility, and the prospect of a 109 without blinders on gets the old juices flowing.

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Thanks for the update.

New planes new careers.

Can’t wait.

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it's better armored too and MG 131 is all the reason i need to get it...plus Hartamann skin for all the Hartmanns out there  :lol:

Better armored, never heard of that, can you go a bit more into detail please?

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Guys,

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Selling mugs and t-shirts is a logistical nightmare. We have customers all over the world. Shipping a package to out of the way places is a pain in the ass and won't generate a profi just a headache for me.

 

Jason

 

 

Try these. :)

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Guys,

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Selling mugs and t-shirts is a logistical nightmare. We have customers all over the world. Shipping a package to out of the way places is a pain in the ass and won't generate a profi just a headache for me.

 

Jason

ffs.... Now we all have to get tattoos to show our support. ;)

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Guys,

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Selling mugs and t-shirts is a logistical nightmare. We have customers all over the world. Shipping a package to out of the way places is a pain in the ass and won't generate a profi just a headache for me.

 

Jason

 

That's fair enough.

 

There are only so many friends I can buy a copy of IL2 for though :)

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New planes are always welcome and the best way to support the game development.

 

My bet is we won't have the 30mm cannon.

 

Definitely welcome, but take a lot of work though. 

 

Some of you might find this strange, but I feel like I've got more than my monies worth from the enjoyment I have had and continue to get out of IL2. I was looking for an easy way to send some Beer tokens, but I suppose I could always send a crate of Beer lol. *Looks up 1c-777 limited address* :)

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and the Lolwaffle crowd goes Beu-le! Beu-le!
I hope you manage to squeeze the whole arsenal into it... 30mm, wurfgranaten, bombs, whatever that ugly piece of crap machine could carry.
Looking forward to the Campaign!

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Those news sound very promissing. I am looking very much forward to it. Hopefully the G6 wil be built into the Kuban part of the campaign, so we will be able to use it from the time on, it saw combat there.

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and the Lolwaffle crowd goes Beu-le! Beu-le!

I hope you manage to squeeze the whole arsenal into it... 30mm, wurfgranaten, bombs, whatever that ugly piece of crap machine could carry.

Looking forward to the Campaign!

:rolleyes:

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@Jason

 

...I had a courier-service for over 25 years! Germany and mostly Westerrn Europe, don't tell me about logistical nightmares! lol

 

Have a nice one bro!

 

yours

v.Greiff

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Wikipedia enlightenment:

 

The weapon was developed as a private venture by the company in 1940 and was submitted to the Reichsluftfahrtministerium (RLM—Reich Aviation Ministry) in response to a 1942 requirement for a heavy aircraft weapon for use against the Allied heavy bombers appearing over German-controlled regions by then. Testing verified that the autocannon was well-suited to this role, requiring on average just four hits with its 85g RDX-load (in a 330g shell) and a resulting strongly brisant high-explosive ammunition, to bring down a heavy bomber such as a B-17 Flying Fortress or B-24 Liberator, and just a single "shattering" hit to down a fighter. In comparison, the otherwise excellent 20 mm MG 151/20 (3g of HE in 57g shell) required an average of 25 hits to down a B-17.

The MK 108 was quickly ordered into production and was installed in a variety of Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. It saw first operational service in late autumn 1943 with the Bf 110G-2 bomber destroyers and in the Bf 109G-6/U4.

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That's over Germany though, correct? From what I recall it only really made it to the Soviet Union closer to 1944.

That`s my impression also. 30mm doesn`t exactly fit the Battle of Kuban time frame. 

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The MK-108 in the 109 had a bad reputation for jamming when fired under high-g-loads (don't ask me numbers or percentages, but one can read it quite frequently). Some veterans, especially when flying in the late war high-alt-escort-role over the western front, ordered the ground-crews to exchange the originally build in 30-mm-cannon with a 20-mm. Can't remember reading about this topic in reports from the eastern front. But that might be an artefact because of my interests and the dominance of the western air war in the German publications.

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How many P-40E's were in service with the VVS during the time of BoM? Or Fw190A-3's in BoS? The MK108 pretty much exactly fits into that line.

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