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VKB Gunfighter + MCG Pre-Ordering starts October 1, 2017

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Is this again not for European customers? I tried to order one several weeks ago and got the response that I must inquire at the European vkb page. Then there was nothing in stock.

 

These joysticks are probably fine pieces of hardware - if they ever get produced!

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Await more ... "two weeks, be sure.™"  :biggrin: 

 

Usually when VKB finish a batch of products - the next of Gunfighters bases and the new MCG grip is "on the way", even if send for USA and EU in the same week, USA receive first due logistics. And looks that due past "headaches" with delays, EU seller will only take orders after products arrive in their store.

 

So

 

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Yeah, I'm almost certain I'm buying one and probably the Gunfighter Pro + MCG Pro. Too bad the throttle is probably a long way off.

Still trying to decide on a desk mount. The monster one looks great but is very very expensive. I haven't seen the Virpil mount VKB plate pop up on the website at all yet.

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My Cougar's throttle has died, so I was looking for what VkB offers, but I think I will have to wait for a long long time.... :/

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2./JG51_Fenris_Wolf, on 28 Sept 2017 - 16:39, said:snapback.png

Wait, so you are saying vkb is not made in USA?

 

Jade_Monkey

 

It's Russian iirc.

 

 

 

Is "made in China" - under Russians supervision.  :)

 

 

I haven't seen the Virpil mount VKB plate pop up on the website at all yet.

 

 

I see in the Russian side of this forum drawings of VirPil deskmount for VKB joysticks, but no more information about.

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I want to get a MCG to screw into my Fat Black Mamba III base...is that possible? Or am I better off just buying the entire new stick and base? I might wait for the throttle to come out as well.

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Yes, you need buy VKB-Sim MCG-MG (legacy 5 pin) or VKB-Sim MCG-MG PRO (legacy 5 pin) see there:

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product_cat=mcg-series

 

MG means Mamba and Gladiator PRO Mk.I.

 

VKB representative say in ED forum that in future will be possible buy a extra adapter to convert, e.g. a MCG-TM (for Warthog base) in MCG for use in VKB bases.

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Is this again not for European customers? 

 

 

 

Await more ... "two weeks, be sure.™"   :biggrin: 

 

That means: January 2018 

 

 https://flightsimcontrols.com/2017/09/gladiator-mk-ii-is-now-available-for-eu-gunfighter-and-mcg-news/

What about the weight and hight between the two ( grip only)?

 

If you mean MCG grip weight is ~300 Grams.

 

Height: https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_08_2017/post-85-0-97625300-1501990728.jpg

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Thanks, Sokol1

Which base is the one, in the image ?

So, if i'm from Europe, i can't order it ( pre order ) right now ?

What about Canada ? My brother is living there, he could order it and send it to me

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Thanks, Sokol1

Which base is the one, in the image ?

So, if i'm from Europe, i can't order it ( pre order ) right now ?

What about Canada ? My brother is living there, he could order it and send it to me

 

The base is from Gunfighter.

 

Canada market is attended by www.vkbcontrollers.com (USA).

 

I guess that USA seller will have no problem in send for you in Europe, avoiding a extra shipping to Canada (~$45), talk to then via email.

 

Their pre-order for some versions of MCG grip with/without Gladiator PRO or Gunfighter/PRO bases is up:  https://vkbcontrollers.com/?p=6849

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And what about the base, if i do the pre-order now ?

Where ( and which one) do I find it, to order ?

I can't see any base on the website

Thank you

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Pre-Order is live.

 

Placed  order for MCG Pro grip for my Gunfighter Pro.

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Hello,

I have one question about what I have to buy if :

  • I want to be able to face gunfighter Pro (MCG Pro) on desktop.
  • and same GF Pro et MCG Prog Grip with extension.

Have I to order this :

  • desktop GF with MGC Pro Grip
  • on extension set ?

 

Will this fit my needs ?

 

Another thing that is not clear for me : what to I need to put the MCG Pro grip on my Gladiator II pro MKI (first batch) ?

 

Thanks for helping.

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I have one question about what I have to buy if :

  • I want to be able to face gunfighter Pro (MCG Pro) on desktop.
  • and same GF Pro et MCG Prog Grip with extension.

Have I to order this :

  • desktop GF with MGC Pro Grip
  • on extension set ?

 

Will this fit my needs ?

 

Gunfighter PRO + MCG PRO (rev.B) desktop version with big base plate and buy individually the extension kit that include the smaller base plate for bolt in cockpit, deskmount, wood...

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-revb-mcg-pro

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-stick-extension-200mm8inch

 

 

Another thing that is not clear for me : what to I need to put the MCG Pro grip on my Gladiator II pro MKI (first batch) ?

 

 

Check how many pins the connector for grip in your Gladiator PRO have  - probable 3 pins fitted on base pole. If yes, buy this version:

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-mcg-pro

 

In Rev. B (not sold yet) this pins are located in the grip base.

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And what about the base, if i do the pre-order now ?

Where ( and which one) do I find it, to order ?

I can't see any base on the website

 

They have option for buy MCG grips only - for people that already bough previously Gladiator PRO and Gunfighter/PRO.

 

And option for buy the complete joystick: base + grip and optionally 20 cm extension, there:

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product_cat=vkb-controllers

 

Include for people that have and want continue use that F-16'ish grip from Warthog or Cougar they have option for buy Gladiator PRO and Gunfighter bases without grip, and the adapter for that grip.

 

Options for "Greek and Trojans". :)

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I wish I could find the Mamba base, for VKB MCG Pro 3 pin

But i think it's almost impossible to find this base

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Lurk the "Flea market" of the Russian side of this forum, maybe appear there.

 

Or post a announce there that you want one.

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Do I have a chance ( from 10. 000) to find one?

By the way Sokol, are those base good, precise, smooth?

Thank you

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Thanks. As I suspected, no ordering for European customers.

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If you mean MCG grip weight is ~300 Grams.

 

 

I think MCG and MCG Pro are the same weight ( 4-5 grams more or less )

How is this base

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator-pro-modern-combat-edition-w-mcg-pro

 

compared to this 

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-revb-mcg-pro

 

?

Is the newer one better, more precision, smoother ??

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Hello,

 

Thank you Sokol for your apprecaited (and quick) help.

 

I own the Glaiator Pro MKI. The link you provides says : compatible with Gladiator Pro MKII so I have to wait for the model compatible with Gladiator Pro MKI. Will they release such  a device ? OK I found the link : should be for me : https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-mcg-mg-pro

 

Thanks again and have an happy day.

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I think MCG and MCG Pro are the same weight ( 4-5 grams more or less )

How is this base

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator-pro-modern-combat-edition-w-mcg-pro

 

compared to this 

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-revb-mcg-pro

 

 

Is the newer one better, more precision, smoother ??

 

 

You are comparing Gladiator PRO base with Gunfighter base, made in different materials for different users.

 

Gladiator PRO base is made in plastic - but with metal gimbal,  with that usual porcupine "gamepad" base typical of entry-level joysticks for more casual gamer that want place joystick over desktop.

 

Gunfighter base is made in metal in metal (aluminum) engineered for more "PRO hardcore/hardhead" simmer that want a joystick with less "toy'ist"  appearance and allow use of extension latter, so buttons on base don't matter (he don't plan press buttons with toes). :)

 

Besides that Gunfighter gimbal is a improved version relative to Gladiator PRO, more reinforced to allow use extension and with "dry clutch" damper system.

 

Looks similar but "apples and oranges", and $70 difference in price. ;)

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the list is quite confusing, I only want the MCG, for my 5 pin Gladiator Pro Mkii, so which one is that I need? because the list of compatibility is confusing.

 

I do not see compatibility for the Gladiator Pro MKII?

 

Compatibility:

    Compatible with Vintage Mamba (5-pin)
    Compatible with Gladiator Pro Mk.I (5-pin)
    Not compatible with Mamba Mk.II and Black/Fat Mamba Mk.III (Compatible versions will be made available later!)

 

VKB - Sim Modern Combat Grip – MCG - MG Pro Highlights:

    Right-hand grip design
    24 programmable buttons
    6 analog axes (2x slew control mini-stick axes / 2x trimmer mini-stick axes / 1x folding trigger axis / 1x brake lever axis)
    Metal folding trigger (trigger 2) with two position sensor (flipped up/down)
    User- swappable thumb button on grip (either simple push button, or 4-way switch with push)

 

MCG Downloads:

    Profile (Gladiator Pro Mk.I)
    Profile (Vintage Mamba)
    Firmware (Gladiator Pro Mk.I)
    Firmware (Vintage Mamba)
   

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I only want the MCG, for my 5 pin Gladiator Pro Mkii, so which one is that I need? because the list of compatibility is confusing.

 

Are you sure that have a Gladiator PRO Mk.II with 5 pins connector? This model was released with 3 pins connector, but who knows... From announcement:

 

 

"Gladiator Pro Mk.II

 
The Gladiator Pro was also improved, and comes with the same grip release and 3-pin connector as the new VKB-Sim Gunfighter series. 
 
- The Gladiator Pro Mk.II comes with a spring loaded 3-pin connection with gold contacts"
 
For Gladiator PRO Mk.II with 3 pins conector is this model of MCG PRO:
 

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Are you sure that have a Gladiator PRO Mk.II with 5 pins connector? This model was released with 3 pins connector, but who knows... From announcement:

Im pretty sure its a 5 pin, and it states in my order Gladiator Pro mk II which is the one that's not twisty, but I took off the Grip took a look and yep 5 pin.

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Curious case, seems someone in production/sales did confusion. :)

 

Well, in that case is MCG-MG PRO, although the description don't mention Gladiator PRO Mk.II.

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-mcg-mg-pro

 

But better post this question in VKB forum, may need a specific buttons profile due possible differences in firmware between Mk.I and Mk.II

 

EDIT - This matter is a bit confuse.  :wacko:

 

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2770

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Curious case, seems someone in production/sales did confusion. :)

 

Well, in that case is MCG-MG PRO, although the description don't mention Gladiator PRO Mk.II.

 

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-mcg-mg-pro

 

But better post this question in VKB forum, may need a specific buttons profile due possible differences in firmware between Mk.I and Mk.II

 

EDIT - This matter is a bit confuse. :wacko:

 

http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2770

could of been a typo on their end because I do not see a pro mkii over there.

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Pre-ordered the PRO :)

 

A couple of questions:

  • What's the difference on the triggers with the Contactless sensor? 
  • Having a dual stage trigger (mgs + cannon) what would you use the other trigger for in BOS? Rockets? Just thinking of what could be the best use of that trigger. I usually leave the bombs for the pinky button.

 

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The trigger with contactless sensor control a axis instead micro-switches, so can press multiple buttons depends on axis band, think that is 3 buttons, two pressing the trigger and one when folding the trigger up, this action match the safety function in some DCSW planes, e.g. Ka-50 storage foldable trigger, Mig-15/Bf 109 KG-13A unfold action, Spit trigger safety lock, AJS-37... I suggest VKB add this "button" fold up action. ;)

 

My hyphotetical weapons management with this grip:

 

Dual trigger 1st stage = Cannon

2nd stage = not used - don't find practice in some situations fire MG+Cannon all time, but that 2nd stage is the natural option for "Triggerhappy" virpilot fire MG+cannons.  :biggrin:

Button right* of main HAT = MG's  -  if want Cannon +MG press trigger and this button.

 

* In T50/Su-57 grip this button control cannon

 

Foldable trigger 1st stage  + Pinky button*= rockets, the Pink allow drop bombs before use rockets if want.

Foldable trigger 2nd stage = drop bombs - the action of unfold this trigger can arm bombs if required.

 

* Require set Pinky button in VKB DevCfg to press Shift  (or Alt, Ctrl...) as Bo'X don't allow set a joy button as modifier (like DCSW, CloD), this Pinky "Shift" can modify other buttons/HAT's behaviour, increasing grip functionality.

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