andyboydinomon Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Motivated said: Okay, good to know I'm not going crazy and someone else is seeing the white and black squares on the horizon as well. I've never seen anything like it before in any game I've played. 16 hours ago, THERION said: I'd suggest to set your Nvidia Control Panel settings to default (Let the app decide). Then, if you have a game specific profile in your NCP leave all as is except for the power management - set this to maximum performance. Have a go with these settings first. If you still encounter problems: In your game's graphic settings deselect the checkbox option "Sharpen" (not the landscape drop-down!) and again have a go. Hope this will help you to get rid of this issue. Cheerio Did some more testing and it seems like I’ve been digging in all the wrong places. I’ve been playing with msaa antialiasing in-game setting. I switched it back to fxaa and i have not been able to reproduce the white and black flickering squares. I will say that msaa at x8 looks overall great, fxaa at x4 still looks good. If this does fix the issue, the minor lost of quality using fxaa is worth not having the visual distraction of the squares created by using msaa. if anyone else is experiencing this squares what antialiasing are you using and does changing it fix the issue???
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted November 9, 2020 1CGS Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, andyboydinomon said: if anyone else is experiencing this squares what antialiasing are you using and does changing it fix the issue??? Just disable HDR.
No_85_Gramps Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Motivated said: @andyboydinomon, oddly enough, I'm most often able to reproduce the squares if my pilot is wounded and flying at low-altitude. Outside of that, I rarely see them. This is the same for me.
andyboydinomon Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 7 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said: Just disable HDR. I will try this tonight thank you! 3 hours ago, Motivated said: @andyboydinomon, oddly enough, I'm most often able to reproduce the squares if my pilot is wounded and flying at low-altitude. Outside of that, I rarely see them. 2 hours ago, No_85_Gramps said: This is the same for me. Same, damaged canopy gets it going for me. What msaa are you using and are you using hdr? I haven’t tried hdr off yet.
No_85_Gramps Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, andyboydinomon said: Same, damaged canopy gets it going for me. What msaa are you using and are you using hdr? I haven’t tried hdr off yet. MSAA x4 w/HDR on. Will try with HDR off later on today.
No_85_Gramps Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 I made some short test flights, intentionally getting wounded/broken canopy, and with HDR off did not see the issue. Will test some more in the AM.
andyboydinomon Posted November 10, 2020 Posted November 10, 2020 Same. I turning msaa back on but no hdr. So far I can’t duplicate the problem; fingers crossed.
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted November 16, 2020 1CGS Posted November 16, 2020 Who has 2080ti, is there any more with similar problems? please respond.
fubar_2_niner Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) Further findings............. I am attempting to play in 4K @ 3840 x 2160. When game first starts to load ( after hitting play on launcher ). Screen is obviously 4k sharp as a knife, 1/3 the way thru the load bar, screen suddenly pops into not 4K . Screens attached ( I hope ) show this........... Not sure if this is of any significance, on actual game play, when mission/career etc is selected, game drops back into 4K !!!!! Additional info, further findings in fact shows the game does not drop back into 4K. FPS shows only 60 FPS which preempted my first post. However map, mission end screen etc, are as blurred as the second screenshot. Again game does not seem to be running in 4K !! I will capture screens in both 4K and native monitor modes, i.e 4K @ 3840 x 2160 60HZ. Then again at same res @144Hz. For the record now running game version 4.503. Edited November 16, 2020 by fubar_2_niner Update
fubar_2_niner Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) Further findings............. As suspected, the game is not running in 4K !! Both these screens are from the same Scripted campaign, both using exactly the same graphics settings. First should be 4K , second is same res but monitor not @ 4K. Pay attention to the FPS in top right corner. As you can see no graphical difference, but, a huge frame rate difference !!! Also check the tech chat, one is no sharper than the other !!!! Edited November 16, 2020 by fubar_2_niner more info
fubar_2_niner Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 Yet more updates............... Firstly, I have removed read only parms from the install folder for all files. So now my latest findings and screens...... First shows graphics at Low settings... Second shows graphics at ULTRA !!!!! No difference, surely there should be some difference using the auto selection settings ????? Screens follow, again supposedly @4K What is going on ?????? This all on a new BoX install !! Oh, and I might add outside of program files.
RedKestrel Posted November 16, 2020 Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, fubar_2_niner said: Further findings............. As suspected, the game is not running in 4K !! Both these screens are from the same Scripted campaign, both using exactly the same graphics settings. First should be 4K , second is same res but monitor not @ 4K. Pay attention to the FPS in top right corner. As you can see no graphical difference, but, a huge frame rate difference !!! Also check the tech chat, one is no sharper than the other !!!! When I look in the top right corner, both frame rate numbers and FOV numbers are the exact same between the images. Both say 99FPS, both lower numbers say 63 (for FOV.) So the frame rate as reported by the game is the same. The text looks the same. They appear to have the same sharpness. So whatever is going on, it appears that both images are of the exact same resolution. If you made changes between those two images, I don't see a difference. Both images are 4k pixels when I download them to view, not sure if that means anything for this issue. Does it seem to run in 4k properly if you check "Full Screen" in the graphics options? Changing the Graphics presets along the side controls things like draw distance, etc. It won't necessarily change anything else in your graphics settings. If you have clouds at Medium, for example, switching from Low to Ultra won't affect that I think. But if you have a Low preset I don't think that anything above Medium clouds is available. Edited November 16, 2020 by RedKestrel
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted November 16, 2020 1CGS Posted November 16, 2020 @fubar_2_niner, you have the target_fps parameter set at 60 frames per second, disable it.
jollyjack Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Flickering ME view port area in 4.503, not in 4.502. Flockering only present when the program is active (mouse editing over the surface). After a while it stopped, had an ME CTD first. I7 9700K, NVDIA 2080ti, 24GB ram Windows LTSC. all the latest drivers. Edited November 17, 2020 by jollyjack
jollyjack Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 Moscow map, sector 9, Dmitrov town: TREE growing on Railway track ...
fubar_2_niner Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 17 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said: @fubar_2_niner, you have the target_fps parameter set at 60 frames per second, disable it. Ooops forgot that! Ok latest update. First screens show Nvidia res settings and BoX running in not 4 K mode. Next shots same but supposedly in 4K. As you can see, no difference in quality or frames, @4K I shouldn't be getting more than 60FPS ?? Any ideas? I am not seeing the same in other games, however I will continue rolling back drivers to see if this weirdness continues. Best regards. Fubar
RedKestrel Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, fubar_2_niner said: Ooops forgot that! Ok latest update. First screens show Nvidia res settings and BoX running in not 4 K mode. What do the 3D settings show for Il-2? Under Manage 3D settings in the nvidia control panel? Could there be some kind of downsampling enabled in the Nvidia settings?
fubar_2_niner Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 @RedKestrel Screens of Nvidia settings below, I can't see anything in regard to downsampling. Still investigating driver roll backs but things are not looking promising. Am now on 441.34 and just got the Render error again, then artifacts all over the screen, then BSOD with "Video Scheduler Internal Error" splash. Have just made a system scan and winbloze reported errors which it has corrected. Time to try again. Now for those screens. Best regards. Fubar
iFoxRomeo Posted November 20, 2020 Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) On 11/16/2020 at 11:28 AM, -DED-Rapidus said: Who has 2080ti, is there any more with similar problems? please respond. I have a 1080ti, and just had this error happen. First time ever. Latest drivers from Nvidia. Nvsettings standard. Was flying in VR in MP on the virtual pilots server. No OC. CPU AMD 9 3900X. 64GB Ram. Fox Edited November 20, 2020 by iFoxRomeo
fubar_2_niner Posted November 20, 2020 Posted November 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, iFoxRomeo said: I have a 1080ti, and just had this error happen. First time ever. Latest drivers from Nvidia. Nvsettings standard. Was flying in VR in MP on the virtual pilots server. No OC. CPU AMD 9 3900X. 64GB Ram. Fox Still working on this my friend, but so far, everything is pointing to the drivers. I am still testing, and raising gfx settings as I progress. Good side, after 9 days of corruption and fearing a dying card, my game is running nicely. Using a 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra here and even minimal settings were crashing! Researched Nvidia forums .... and OMG!!!! I am now using Driver version 442.74. Thus far no problems. This test is by far from over !!!! Iff you revert to these drivers, please clean install after using DDU, after which make a custom install of NV clean and do not install Experience !!! I reiterate, I am still experimenting. OS Win 10 Pro, fully updated, latest build. Be patient mate, we are getting somewhere, I was on the verge of buying a Radeon x6800. !!! Best regards. fubar 1
iFoxRomeo Posted November 22, 2020 Posted November 22, 2020 Thx fubar. Yesterday I flew rughly 2hours and nothing happened. Very strange
fubar_2_niner Posted November 22, 2020 Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, iFoxRomeo said: Thx fubar. Yesterday I flew rughly 2hours and nothing happened. Very strange Thanks for the heads up mate. Good to know I'm not chasing a rainbow If I may what resolution are you running? Regards. fubar
iFoxRomeo Posted November 22, 2020 Posted November 22, 2020 I'm flying in VR(HP reverb, 100%resolution), but my monitor is set to 3840x2160.
jokerBR Posted November 22, 2020 Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 3:46 PM, fubar_2_niner said: I am now using Driver version 442.74. Thus far no problems. OS Win 10 Pro, fully updated, latest build. Just a hint: Win 10 latest editions have something called HAGS (hardware accelerated gpu scheduling) which helps to achieve less variation between frames (less stuttering) by letting the gpu itself to do some mem allocation, etc. Drivers below 45x.xx aren't aware of this capability and will not allow Windows to use it (you will not even see the option to turn HAGS on/off on Windows). As far as I know, HAGS is disabled by default. Did you try newer drivers with HAGS on before rolling back to older drivers? 1
fubar_2_niner Posted November 22, 2020 Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, jokerBR said: Just a hint: Win 10 latest editions have something called HAGS (hardware accelerated gpu scheduling) which helps to achieve less variation between frames (less stuttering) by letting the gpu itself to do some mem allocation, etc. Drivers below 45x.xx aren't aware of this capability and will not allow Windows to use it (you will not even see the option to turn HAGS on/off on Windows). As far as I know, HAGS is disabled by default. Did you try newer drivers with HAGS on before rolling back to older drivers? Hey Joker, Like I said this is a WIP. Am now experimenting with 446.14 as I keep getting a nag screen when trying to launch RDR2 LOL! I am trying to get the driver issue floored but as you might guess it takes time .......... and patience! I would really love to run the latest drivers, but they have thus far caused no end of grief mate. Regards. fubar PS. I am not looking at frame rates here, just something that is stable. If the driver does not fail then I start to crank things up slowly. If I can get maxed (within reason) , I move on to the next mission. If all is good I re-run several times, if all is good after that, I consider things ok. I then move on to the next driver and start from scratch. I am doing this using the Tempest scripted campaign, always first mission, always Auto pilot. Oh and BTW no VR here. But buggered if I can get 4K working so far !!!!!!!!!! Edited November 22, 2020 by fubar_2_niner 1
fubar_2_niner Posted November 26, 2020 Posted November 26, 2020 Latest Update: I am now testing driver version 451.48. All good so far after a couple of scripted campaign missions, no crashes ! 4k still eludes me however I am also using quite a comprehensive mod list: Spoiler Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157 [E:\BoX\MODS] Historically Correct German Official Skins for BoM-BoS-BoK 4K Default Skin Replacements for BoM-BoS-BoK 4K Default Optional Skins-activate after 4K Default mod 4K White Skin Replacements for BoM-BoS-BoK 4KTreeKuban 4K Douglas A-20B Boston 4K Hs-129 Sch.G1 4K Ju-87 D3 4K Ju-88A4 4k Default Skin Replacements for BoBP BP_Iceman 109G2 4k BOO Raal 109G6 III JG52 4K Grass mod 0.25 EFF mod 0.1 old_sky_color 4K Bf 109G14 Hartmann BF 109G2 4K FW190a5_jg26_geswadkom_priller_2_v3 PWCG Squadron Skins spudkopf 4K official Spit 9 Me262 BOS 4k damage Cloud_Mod_Detail_NoiseAmp ICON_D_D_NL_SMLR_T_SQ ICON_NAV_DMD Draw Distance Ship&Smoke Draw Distance Emitters Draw Distance 4K A20B 4K Bf 110G2 4K BlackHellHound Skins 4K Bf109G6 7_JG53_Skin Pack Raps 4K Bf109 E7 Raps 4K Bf109G2 Raps 4K Bf109K4 Raps 4K Bf110E2 Raps 4K Fw190A3 Raps 4K Fw190A8 Raps 4K Fw190D9 Raps 4K I16t24 Raps 4K ILm43 Raps 4K MC202s8 Raps 4K Me262A Raps 4K MiG3s24 Raps 4K P39L1 Raps 4K P40E1 Raps 4K A20B Raps 4K Bf109G14 Raps 4K Bf109G6 Raps 4K Bf110G2 Raps 4K SpitfireMkIXe Raps 4K SpitfireMkVb Julians 4K FW 190A8 P47D28 BOS cockpits Pack [0701_2020] BOM cockpits Pack [0701_2020] BOK cockpits Pack [0629_2020] BOBP cockpits Pack BOX Collector cockpits Pack [0629_2020] 2_CW_short grass-flowers_V4 Meplanes effects v.4 More to follow. Regards. fubar 1
JG1_Jaus Posted December 24, 2020 Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) I have been experiencing frequent but intermittent graphic glitches in Flying Circus where I see two levels of ground terrain. A restart of the game usually corrects it as long as you recognize it before a mission starts. A couple of days ago I acquired BoS. Here are two screenshots of the same type of problem I've seen in FC, only much worse. From altitude you may not see the issue, but I do often see jagged strips of the light blue dead space like you see in the image with the trees. They look almost like light blue rivers but are related to this problem. The lower image is a shot with a longer view. The aircraft is flying at what you thought was the ground level before you descended, but once reaching that level you see the two levels of terrain with dead space in between. I have an GTX 1080 ti graphics card with the latest NVIDIA drivers. Would love to fix this problem. Edited December 24, 2020 by JG1_Jaus added comment
[Pb]Bones18 Posted December 24, 2020 Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) Hello, With the last patch I'm seeing issues in VR where part of the terrain is floating above the user. Screenshot and DXdiag attafched. This doesn't happen every flight, and I haven't found a particular reason for it as I can't reproduce it. I've seen it in both Tank Crew and in my Tempest Campaign over Germany. I turned off rough ground in graphics options as it is the only thing I changed after the patch, but it still persists. I'm using a Vive Pro with a Nvidia 2080 TI DxDiag.txt Edited December 24, 2020 by [Pb]Bones18
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted December 25, 2020 1CGS Posted December 25, 2020 @JG1_Jaus, @[Pb]Bones18, very strange picture, in parallel with IL2 you did not run the editor? and another question, no matter which map was BOS, BOB or TC-the effect of the two terrain levels was present? On 11/17/2020 at 7:48 PM, jollyjack said: Moscow map, sector 9, Dmitrov town: TREE growing on Railway track ... Thank you, the object is listed as a world heritage site, that is, for removal) 3
JG1_Jaus Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) I tried 6 missions today on five different maps (Arras, Stalingrad summer '42, autumn 42, winter 42-43, Velikie Luki) and did not experience the problem. For me it seems to be intermittent as well and thus far seems to be linked to the loading of the game in that, when I start an instance of IL2, I will either see the effect on every mission flown during that instance, or on no missions in that instance. P.S. I have never run the editor Edited December 25, 2020 by JG1_Jaus
[Pb]Bones18 Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said: @JG1_Jaus, @[Pb]Bones18, very strange picture, in parallel with IL2 you did not run the editor? and another question, no matter which map was BOS, BOB or TC-the effect of the two terrain levels was present? Thank you, the object is listed as a world heritage site, that is, for removal) Wow JG1_Jaus and I must of posted at the same time No I didn't run the editor. I loaded the sim and went straight into my career, which is a Tempest squadron in the Rhine map. That is what I've been playing when I play IL2. The other time I've seen this is when I tried to play Tank Crew on the Prokhorovka map. From what I'm seeing, a bunch of the objects (trees, etc) outside of the ground map are using the wrong Z axis coordinates when the world is loaded and being shifted upward compared to every other object. The plane is on the ground correctly at start and everything else acts normally, so it's not like the world map itself is in the incorrect place, only surrounding objects. As noted this issue is there from the start of the map. It doesn't suddenly happen when playing. startup.cfg attached. startup.zip Edited December 25, 2020 by [Pb]Bones18 1
JG1_Jaus Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) Did a complete re-install of the game and got this on the first mission I tried: BoS "Airfield Strike" mission. Stalingrad winter '42 map I think. You're seeing three levels of terrain. The top layer is the one with the control tower (left, near gunsight) which runs through the tops of the trees on the middle layer (center), the third layer is the rough snow. Edited December 26, 2020 by JG1_Jaus
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted December 27, 2020 1CGS Posted December 27, 2020 @JG1_Jaus, Mods_on? ReShade? Please send me the startup.cfg file too. @JG1_Jaus, @[Pb]Bones18, sorry, but I need a track with the place where the layers break.
[Pb]Bones18 Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said: @JG1_Jaus, Mods_on? ReShade? Please send me the startup.cfg file too. @JG1_Jaus, @[Pb]Bones18, sorry, but I need a track with the place where the layers break. I also did a reinstall, but kept my startup.cfg and input folder from the previous install. I'll get a track for you next time I see it happen. On my end I don't use any mods. I also have never used the editor. Edited December 27, 2020 by [Pb]Bones18 1
JG1_Jaus Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 I did a complete re-install, to get rid of Reshade, but have still experienced the issue. Have not used other mods. Layer issue doesn't seem as frequent lately. I'll record a track next time I see it. 1
THERION Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, JG1_Jaus said: I did a complete re-install, to get rid of Reshade, but have still experienced the issue. Have not used other mods. Layer issue doesn't seem as frequent lately. I'll record a track next time I see it. startup.zip 1.15 kB · 1 download May I ask you to tell us, if you fly in VR or if you run your game on a flat-screen? Thanks.
RickVic Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 I have some problems with the Gtx1080ti. Sometimes the vision gets blurry as if the pilot has water in his eyes. i am not sure if this is a graphic issus or somekind of simulated g force effect for the pilot. also it seems that the ground buildings and trees sometimes flimmer and reload during a mission
jokerBR Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, RickVic said: I have some problems with the Gtx1080ti. Sometimes the vision gets blurry as if the pilot has water in his eyes. i am not sure if this is a graphic issus or somekind of simulated g force effect for the pilot. also it seems that the ground buildings and trees sometimes flimmer and reload during a mission Hi Rick, are you sure you're *not* using dynamic resolution? If so, whenever your GPU struggles, it will reduce resolution on the fly, giving you exactly what you're describing.
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