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The Japanese Fleet at the Battle of Midway

 

Name                    Class                     Type                                    Unit                                                  Force

 

Akagi                     Akagi                     Aicraft Carrier                     Carrier Division 1                             Carrier Force

Kaga                      Kaga                     Aicraft Carrier                     Carrier Division 1                             Carrier Force

Hiryu                     Soryu                     Aicraft Carrier                     Carrier Division 2                             Carrier Force

Soryu                    Soryu                     Aicraft Carrier                     Carrier Division 2                             Carrier Force

Haruna                  Kongo                    Fast Battleship                   Battleship Division 3 Section 2         Carrier Force     

Kirishima               Kongo                    Fast Battleship                   Battleship Division 3 Section 2         Carrier Force     

Tone                     Tone                       Heavy Cruiser                    Cruiser Division 8                             Carrier Force     

Chikuma               Tone                       Heavy Cruiser                    Cruiser Division 8                             Carrier Force     

Nagara                 Nagara                   Light Cruiser                       Destroyer Squadron 10                   Carrier Force     

Nowaki                 Kagero                   Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 4                         Carrier Force     

Arashi                   Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 4                          Carrier Force

Hagikaze              Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 4                          Carrier Force     

Maikaze               Kagero                   Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 4                         Carrier Force     

Kazagumo           Yugumo                 Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 10                       Carrier Force     

Yugumo               Yugumo                 Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 10                       Carrier Force     

Makigumo            Yugumo                Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 10                       Carrier Force     

Urakaze               Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 17                       Carrier Force     

Isokaze                Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 17                       Carrier Force     

Tanikaze              Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 17                       Carrier Force     

Hamakaze           Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 17                       Carrier Force     

Oiler #1                Unknown              Oiler                                    Supply Group                                   Carrier Force     

Oiler #2                Unknown              Oiler                                    Supply Group                                   Carrier Force     

Oiler #3                Unknown              Oiler                                    Supply Group                                   Carrier Force     

Oiler #4                Unknown              Oiler                                    Supply Group                                   Carrier Force     

Oiler #5                Unknown              Oiler                                    Supply Group                                   Carrier Force     

Akigumo              Kagero                  Destroyer                            Supply Group                                   Carrier Force     

 

Yamato                Yamato                 Battleship                            Battleship Division 1                         Main Force        

Nagato                 Nagato                 Battleship                            Battleship Division 1                         Main Force        

Mutsu                   Nagato                 Battleship                            Battleship Division 1                         Main Force        

Hosho                  Hosho                   Light Carrier                       Battleship Division 1                         Main Force        

Chiyoda               Chitose                 Seaplane Tender                Battleship Division 1                         Main Force        

Nisshin                 Nisshin                 Seaplane Tender                Battleship Division 1                         Main Force        

Sendai                  Sendai                  Light Cruiser                      Destroyer Squadron 3                      Main Force               Flagship Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku   

Fubuki                  Fubuki                  Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 11                         Main Force        

Shirayuki              Fubuki                  Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 11                         Main Force        

Murakumo           Fubuki                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 11                        Main Force        

Hatsuyuki            Fubuki                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 11                        Main Force        

Isonami                Fubuki                 Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 19                        Main Force        

Uranami              Fubuki                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 19                       Main Force        

Shikinami             Ayanami              Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 19                        Main Force        

Ayanami              Ayanami               Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 19                       Main Force        

Oiler #6               Uknown                Oiler                                    1st Supply Unit                                 Main Force        

Oiler #7               Uknown                Oiler                                    1st Supply Unit                                 Main Force        

 

Ise                       Ise                        Battleship                            Battleship Division 2                        Guard Force      

Hyuga                  Ise                        Battleship                            Battleship Division 2                       Guard Force      

Fuso                    Fuso                     Battleship                            Battleship Division 2                       Guard Force      

Yamashiro           Fuso                     Battleship                            Battleship Division 2                       Guard Force      

Oi                        Kuma                    Light Cruiser                        Cruiser Division 9                           Guard Force

Kitakami              Kuma                    Light Cruiser                       Cruiser Division 9                           Guard Force      

Asagiri                 Ayanami              Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 20                       Guard Force      

Yugiri                   Ayanami              Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 20                       Guard Force      

Shirakumo           Fubuki                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 20                      Guard Force      

Amagiri                Ayanami              Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 20                       Guard Force      

Umikaze              Shiratsuyu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 24                       Guard Force      

Yamakaze           Shiratsuyu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 24                       Guard Force      

Kawakaze           Shiratsuyu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 24                       Guard Force      

Suzukaze            Shiratsuyu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 24                       Guard Force      

Ariake                 Hatsuharu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 27                       Guard Force      

Yugure                Hatsuharu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 27                       Guard Force      

Shigure               Shiratsuyu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 27                       Guard Force      

Shiratsuyu          Shiratsuyu           Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 27                       Guard Force      

Oiler #8                  Oiler                         Oiler                                            2nd Supply Unit                                       Guard Force

Oiler #9              Oiler                    Oiler                                     2nd Supply Unit                               Guard Force       

 

Zuiho                   Zuiho                  Light Carrier                       Zuiho Air Group                                 Invasion Force  

Mikazuki              Mutsuki               Destroyer                           Zuiho Plane Guard                            Invasion Force  

Kongo                  Kongo                 Fast Battleship                   Battleship Division 3 Section 1          Invasion Force  

Hiei                      Kongo                 Fast Battleship                   Battleship Division 3 Section 1          Invasion Force  

Atago                   Takao                  Heavy Cruisers                  Cruiser Division 4 Section 1              Invasion Force  

Chokai                 Takao                  Heavy Cruisers                  Cruiser Division 4 Section 1              Invasion Force  

Myoko                 Myoko                  Heavy Cruisers                 Cruiser Division 5                              Invasion Force  

Haguro                Myoko                  Heavy Cruisers                 Cruiser Division 5                              Invasion Force  

Yura                     Nagara                Light Cruiser                      Destroyer Squadron 4                      Invasion Force              Flagship Vice Admiral Kondo Nobutake  

Mursame             Shiratsuyu            Destroyer                          Destroyer Division 3                         Invasion Force  

Samidare             Shiratsuyu            Destroyer                          Destroyer Division 3                         Invasion Force  

Harusame            Shiratsuyu            Destroyer                          Destroyer Division 3                         Invasion Force  

Yudachi                Shiratsuyu            Destroyer                          Destroyer Division 3                         Invasion Force  

Asagumo              Asashio                Destroyer                          Destroyer Division 9                         Invasion Force  

Minegumo            Asashio                Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 9                        Invasion Force  

Natsugumo          Asashio                Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 9                         Invasion Force  

Oiler #9                Uknown                Oiler                                   Supply Group                                  Invasion Force  

Oiler #10              Uknown                Oiler                                   Supply Group                                  Invasion Force  

Oiler #11              Uknown                Oiler                                   Supply Group                                  Invasion Force  

Oiler #12              Uknown                Oiler                                   Supply Group                                  Invasion Force  

Akashi                       Akashi                       Repair Ship                               Supply Group                                           Invasion Force

 

Kumano               Mogami               Heavy Cruisers                   Cruiser Division 7                             Close Support Group     

Suzuya                 Mogami              Heavy Cruisers                   Cruiser Division 8                             Close Support Group     

Mogami               Mogami               Heavy Cruisers                   Cruiser Division 9                             Close Support Group     

Mikuma               Mogami                Heavy Cruisers                  Cruiser Division 10                           Close Support Group     

Arashio                Asashio                Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 8                         Close Support Group     

Asashio               Asashio                Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 9                         Close Support Group     

Oiler #13             Uknown                Oiler                                   Supply Group                                   Close Support Group

 

Jintsu                  Sendai                  Light Cruiser                       Destroyer Squadron 2                    Transport Group             

Kuroshio             Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 15                      Transport Group             

Oyashio              Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 15                      Transport Group               

Yukikaze             Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 16                      Transport Group             

Amatsukaze       Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 16                      Transport Group             

Tokitsukaze        Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 16                      Transport Group             

Hatsukaze          Kagero                  Destroyer                            Destroyer Division 16                      Transport Group             

Shiranuhi            Kagero                  Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 18                      Transport Group             

Kasumi               Asashio                 Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 18                      Transport Group             

Kagero                Kagero                  Destroyer                          Destroyer Division 18                      Transport Group             

Arare                  Asashio                 Destroyer                           Destroyer Division 18                      Transport Group             

Transport #1       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #2       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #3       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #4       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #5       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #6       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #7       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #8       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #9       Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #10     Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #11     Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Transport #12     Unknown             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group

Patrol Boat 1       Minekazi             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Patrol Boat 2       Minekazi             Transport                            Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Patrol Boat 34     Momi                   Transport                           Transport Group                              Transport Group             

Akebono Maru    Unknown             Oiler                                   Transport Group                              Transport Group

 

Chitose                 Chitose                 Seaplane Tender              Seaplane Group                             Seaplane Tender Group

Kamikawa Maru   Kamikawa Maru    Seaplane Tender              Seaplane Group                             Seaplane Tender Group

Hayashio              Kagero                  Destroyer                         Seaplane Group                             Seaplane Tender Group

Patrol Boat 35      Momi                     Transport                          Seaplane Group                            Seaplane Tender Group

 

Minesweeper #1    W-19?                 Minesweeper                    Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Minesweeper #2    W-19?                 Minesweeper                    Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Minesweeper #3    W-19?                 Minesweeper                    Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Minesweeper #4    W-19?                 Minesweeper                    Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Sub Chaser #1      CH-13?               Sub-Chaser                       Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Sub Chaser #2      CH-13?               Sub-Chaser                       Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Sub Chaser #3      CH-13?               Sub-Chaser                       Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group      

Cargo Ship #1     Unknown              Cargo Transport                Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Cargo Ship #2     Unknown              Cargo Transport                Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group     

Cargo Ship #3     Unknown              Cargo Transport                Minesweeper Group                      Minesweeper Group      

 

I-168                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Squadron 3                   Advance Force 

I-169                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Squadron 3                   Advance Force 

I-171                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Squadron 3                   Advance Force 

I-174                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Squadron 3                   Advance Force 

I-175                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Squadron 3                   Advance Force 

I-156                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Division 19                    Advance Force 

I-157                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Division 19                    Advance Force 

I-158                      Kadai                 Submarine                        Submarine Division 19                    Advance Force 

I-159                      Kadai                Submarine                         Submarine Division 19                    Advance Force 

I-162                      Kadai                Submarine                         Submarine Division 30                    Advance Force 

I-165                      Kadai                Submarine                         Submarine Division 30                    Advance Force 

I-166                      Kadai                Submarine                         Submarine Division 30                    Advance Force 

I-121                      I-121                Submarine                         Submarine Division 13                    Advance Force 

I-122                      I-122                Submarine                         Submarine Division 13                    Advance Force 

I-123                      I-123                Submarine                         Submarine Division 13                    Advance Force  

 

A grand total of 147 vessels for Midway. The Japanese also launched an operation in the Aleutian Islands chain which is part of Alaska in addition to those sent to Midway.

 

Note: This is for illustration and research purposes only and not a promise form the developers to make all these ships or have all these ships in any scene in the game. This information from very basic readily available sources like books and websites. There are likely mistakes or omissions. Regardless, the Japanese fleet that sailed to invade Midway Island is impressive and illustrates just how lucky the U.S. Navy was in stopping this armada at Midway. Just as important as the airplane was at Pearl Harbor in sinking so many American battleships, it was again the airplane that proved to be the decisive weapon and stopped the Japanese with the loss of four carriers. The U.S. fleet at Midway was outgunned and outnumbered by the IJN, but carrier warfare won the day, not a clash of cannons. The tide of the Pacific War turned after Midway and U.S. shipbuilding efforts eventually dwarfed even this mighty fleet.

 

Note: This represents 38 distinct classes of ships with many large capital ships being unique designs.

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The American Fleet at the Battle of Midway

 

Name                    Class                     Type                                    Unit                                                  Force

 

Yorktown               Yorktown                Aircraft Carrier                    Task Group 17.5                                Carrier Group

 

Astoria                   New Orleans         Heavy Cruiser                     Task Group 17.2                                Cruiser Group

Portland                 Portland                Heavy Cruiser                     Task Group 17.2                                Cruiser Group

 

Morris                    Sims                      Destroyer                            Screen Task Group 17.4                 Destroyer Group

Anderson               Sims                      Destroyer                            Screen Task Group 17.4                 Destroyer Group

Hammann              Sims                      Destroyer                            Screen Task Group 17.4                 Destroyer Group

Russell                   Sims                      Destroyer                            Screen Task Group 17.4                 Destroyer Group

Hughes                  Sims                      Destroyer                            Screen Task Group 17.4                 Destroyer Group

Gwin                      Gleaves                 Destroyer                            Screen Task Group 17.4                 Destroyer Group

 

Enterprise              Yorktown               Aircraft Carrier                     Task Group 16.5                                Carrier Group

Hornet                    Yorktown              Aircraft Carrier                     Task Group 16.5                                 Carrier Group

 

Minneapolis            New Orleans        Heavy Cruiser                      Task Group 16.2                                Cruiser Group

New Orleans           New Orleans       Heavy Cruiser                      Task Group 16.2                                Cruiser Group

Vincennes               New Orleans       Heavy Cruiser                      Task Group 16.2                                Cruiser Group

Northampton           Northampton       Heavy Cruiser                      Task Group 16.2                                Cruiser Group

Pensacola               Pensacola           Heavy Cruiser                      Task Group 16.2                                Cruiser Group

Atlanta                     Atlanta                Light Cruiser                        Task Group 16.2                                Cruiser Group

 

Phelps                     Porter                  Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Alywin                      Farragut              Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Monaghan               Farragut              Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Worden                    Farragut              Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Balch                        Porter                  Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Conyngham             Mahan                 Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Benham                   Benham               Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Ellet                          Benham              Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

Maury                       Gridley                Destroyer                             Screen Task Group 16.4                 Destroyer Group

 

Cimarron                  Cimarron             Oiler                                     Oiler Group                                        Oiler Group

Platte                        Cimarron             Oiler                                     Oiler Group                                        Oiler Group

Dewey                       Farragut              Destroyer                            Oiler Group                                        Oiler Group

Monssen                   Gleaves               Destroyer                            Oiler Group                                        Oiler Group

 

Cachalot                   Cachalot              Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Flying Fish                Gato                    Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Tambor                     Tambor                Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Trout                         Tambor                Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Grayling                    Tambor                Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Nautilus                     Narwhal               Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Grouper                    Gato                     Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Dolphin                     Dolphin                 Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Gato                         Gato                      Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Cuttlefish                 Cachalot                Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Gudgeon                 Tambor                  Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

Grenadier                Tambor                  Submarine                          Task Group 7.1                                  Submarine Group

 

Narwhal                   Narwhal                 Submarine                          Task Group 7.2                                  Submarine Group

Plunger                   Porpoise                Submarine                           Task Group 7.2                                  Submarine Group

Trigger                    Gato                      Submarine                           Task Group 7.2                                  Submarine Group

 

Tarpon                    Porpoise                Submarine                          Task Group 7.3                                  Submarine Group

Pike                        Porpoise                Submarine                           Task Group 7.3                                  Submarine Group

Finback                  Gato                      Submarine                           Task Group 7.3                                  Submarine Group

Growler                  Gato                      Submarine                           Task Group 7.3                                  Submarine Group

 

Clark                      Porter                    Destroyer                           French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Ballard                   Clemson                Seaplane Tender               French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Thornton               Clemson                Seaplane Tender                French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-20                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-21                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-22                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-24                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-25                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-26                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-27                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-28                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-29                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

PT-30                    PT-20                     Torpedo Boat                     French Frigate Shoals                     Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Kaloli                     Unknown                Gas Tanker                        Pearl and Hermes Reef                   Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Vireo                     Lapwing                  Minesweeper/Tug              Pearl and Hermes Reef                   Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Crystal                  Patrol Yacht             Converted Yacht               Pearl and Hermes Reef                   Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Patrol Boat #1      Unknown                  Patrol Boat                        Lisianski Island                                Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Patrol Boat #2      Unknown                  Patrol Boat                        Gardner Pinnacles                          Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Patrol Boat #3      Unknown                  Patrol Boat                        Laysan Island                                  Hawaiian Sea Frontier

Patrol Boat #4      Unknown                  Patrol Boat                        Necker Island                                  Hawaiian Sea Frontier

 

Guadalupe           Cimarron                  Oiler                                  Re-Fueling Unit                             Midway Relief Fueling Unit

Blue                      Bagley                      Destroyer                          Re-Fueling Unit                             Midway Relief Fueling Unit

Ralph Talbot         Bagley                      Destroyer                          Re-Fueling Unit                             Midway Relief Fueling Unit

 

A grand total of 72 vessels for the U.S. at Midway with several small craft on the extreme fringe of the battle area. Notice no battleships at all on the U.S. side. The U.S. Navy also sent additional ships to the Aleutians to counter the IJN in the extreme north of the Pacific.

 

Note: This represents 27 distinct classes of ships, boats and submarines.

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I can't wait Jason. I actually deployed on the USS Enterprise (CVN-65 not the WWII version) with VF-32 in 1997. I hope that VT-8 get's the TBF-1C. They were the first USN Torpedo Squadron to receive them before the BoMY.

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Wow. Never realized how many submarines were present during the battle of Midway. All I was ever aware of were the surface ships. Carriers will no doubt play a critical role in so far as our interest holds, all the while maintaining a "kill or be killed" awareness. Ready to help in any way I can.

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Wow. Never realized how many submarines were present during the battle of Midway. All I was ever aware of were the surface ships. Carriers will no doubt play a critical role in so far as our interest holds, all the while maintaining a "kill or be killed" awareness. Ready to help in any way I can.

Nautilus attacked the already burning Kaga - that's about the end of it.

Her repeated escapes while under attack was the most noteworthy accomplishment.

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Anything the community can do to help getting as many of these ships as possible into the game?

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Jason

That's actually not correct either ;)  Soryu and Hiryu while principally similar had some distinct differences, some visible like island that was moved to the port side on Hiryu while Soryu had one on starboard side. Overall Hiryu was 1500 tons heavier and with all changes it is considered an improved Soryu-class, hence separate classification that is given. Hiryu-class also served as base for Unryu-class. 

 

Also, Jason, if I have a list of books, booklets and magazines which contain various materials important for 3d models and design of this ships, can I drop them in this thread ? 

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That's actually not correct either ;)  Soryu and Hiryu while principally similar had some distinct differences, some visible like island that was moved to the port side on Hiryu while Soryu had one on starboard side. Overall Hiryu was 1500 tons heavier and with all changes it is considered an improved Soryu-class, hence separate classification that is given. Hiryu-class also served as base for Unryu-class. 

 

Also, Jason, if I have a list of books, booklets and magazines which contain various materials important for 3d models and design of this ships, can I drop them in this thread ? 

 

Like I mentioned, my list is a basic one. Any reference material that is copyrighted will be sent to a special email inbox I am setting up. Links to books and other resources are welcome, but wait until I request them to keep it somewhat organized.

 

Jason

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Nautilus attacked the already burning Kaga - that's about the end of it.

Her repeated escapes while under attack was the most noteworthy accomplishment.

Also, I-168 sank the damaged (but probably salvageable) USS Yorktown, and her escort, USS Hammann. They were the only two USN ships lost in the entire battle.

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Like I mentioned, my list is a basic one. Any reference material that is copyrighted will be sent to a special email inbox I am setting up. Links to books and other resources are welcome, but wait until I request them to keep it somewhat organized.

 

Jason

Alright, I'll wait than and prepare what I know of in the meantime. I have a pretty huge list of known to me books and reprints, so I'll just sort them according to ship classes listed in the first post and wait until you will request them. Most of them however are in Japanese so you might need some people to translate those materials for future. 

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Yeah. Also, seeing the above list I'm still impressed what is planned for Midway. Probably not all will be included (at least initially) but its still impressive. Going now through the archive I can see that this is going to be a challenge as all those ship classes not only differ in 3d models but also internal systems, equipment and armament. 

 

I cant wait for it.

 

 

 

 

 

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Wait until you see the entire list for the U.S. Okinawa fleet. You can see how fortunes changed from 1942 to 1945. The IJN had really nothing left at that point to contest the landings.

 

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Well, I'm not a fan of Okinawa. I dont see how this can be comfortable played and considering all the effort put into technology for Midway, Okinawa seems to have nothing to offer and waste it. No flattops for the Japanese left around or to be honest no fleet at all when whole Japanese Navy changed from 1942 and evolved, which would be interesting to see in naval battle.  

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Just out of curiosity - which other 1941/1942 carrier operations could be recreated with the ships from the Midway OOB? Obviously not Coral Sea and Pearl Harbor, because some important ships are not part of the Midway list.

The invasion of Wake might be possible which involved the Hiryu and Soryu or the first American carrier raid in the Marshall and Gilbert Islands by the Yorktown and Enterprise. Are there other operations?

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Easter Sunday Raid on Ceylon, but that would also require a bit of British fleet. Rabaul attack, Darwin attack. Not all that many to be honest, without Junyo, Zuikaku and Shokaku all post Midway battles are not possible to recreate. 

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Aleutian Dutch port air raid would be very immersive given the location's weather and landscape... I dont mind flying off from Junyo or Ryujo...

 

I cant believe this is going to happen...

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There was also a carrier raid by the Enterprise targeting Wake in February 1942.

I think a Wake map might be the best choice to keep the map builders in the team occupied once the Midway map is finished. It would be relatively easy to do in contrast to other scenarios because there are no other islands in the area. Apart from the Japanese attacks on Wake there were eight American carrier raids and countless attacks by land based bombers from Midway so it could be used for the whole 1941-1945 timeframe.

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They coud put all 3 islands in a map just make the Ocean smaller it would be a pain to have so much ocean in the game. Probably be disorientating as a game.

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Nah, Midway even in 1:1 is ok. You can always position ships closer and I think thats what will happen in multiplayer. I want to see what if scenario on multiplayer with Japanese operating from Midway islands and Americans directing aerial assault.

 

When it comes to size and distances I just cant imagine Okinawa, most of the escorts couldnt make it back then and all too often kamikaze pilots had to enter last stage of flight without any cover. 600 kilometers from Kanoya Air Base to Okinawa is quite a long flight, even by todays standards flights to Okinawa take time. But I've heard its a lovely place for holiday, a tropical island with things to see. 

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Best bet for expanded map is Hawaiian island chain. It is fairly large, lots of airfields, and tons of reference material/photos available. Midway plane sets are appropriate/interchangeable for the most part. It would make a #*<{ing FANTASTIC multiplayer map. Add American battleships later because - obvious reasons.

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. I hope that VT-8 get's the TBF-1C. They were the first USN Torpedo Squadron to receive them before the BoMY.

 

Only a detachment of VT-8 led by Lt Fieberling operated 6 TBF-1's off of Midway. The main squadron of VT-8 operated 15 TBD-1's led by LCDR Waldron. Unfortunately both parts of VT-8 got slaughtered, with 5 of the 6 TBF-1's getting shot down, along with all 15 TBD-1's. I love both birds, but they were fish in a barrel with no escort

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But thats not a problem for a game. I'm up for a TBF as well as D4Y-1 for Japanese (since those in form of 2 were present during the battle on Soryu), for campaign thats not a problem at all since such aircraft would be limited in missions while for multiplayer it doesnt really matter, its up to those who design scenarios for multiplayer missions to set any restrictions. 

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From all those ships, the most important is to have all the different Carriers of the main battle :cool:

whatever the number of ships modelled

 

In the first Il-2, we had only Akagi for many years for all 1942 carrier battles and it was somewhat pity

On American side, we had only Lexington class carriers despite it didn't took part in the battle

Only mods bringed us Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu and Yorktown on US side

 

 

Can we get an idea of the number of different ships expected to be modelled initially jason ? Thanks

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The number will likely be small and I hope to have a way for 3rd parties to add to it. This is new territory for us and I will once again have a small budget.

 

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The number will likely be small and I hope to have a way for 3rd parties to add to it. This is new territory for us and I will once again have a small budget.

 

Jason

 

Then there must be one ship of each type excluding aircraft carriers

because it would be really boring to take off from the same carrier each time especially for japanese side which won't have any island...

Attacking the same type of carrier every time is also very boring

 

 

Suggested type of ships to make :

 

AKAGI-KAGA-HIRYU-SORYU-ZUIHO carriers

1 Battleship

1 Cruiser

1 Destroyer

1 Sub

1 Cargo

= 10 IJN ships

 

 

YORKTOWN-HORNET-ENTERPRISE carriers

1 Heavy Cruiser

1 Destroyer

1 Sub

1 Torpedo Boat

1 PT Boat

= 8 USN ships

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Best bet for expanded map is Hawaiian island chain. It is fairly large, lots of airfields, and tons of reference material/photos available. Midway plane sets are appropriate/interchangeable for the most part. It would make a #*<{ing FANTASTIC multiplayer map. Add American battleships later because - obvious reasons.

I like that and would support that idea - especially given the reference.

However I'll say again that given the plane set from Midway - we're pretty much at a Guadalcanal/Solomons plane set at that point.

 

So I'd like to at least see some sort of generic map that will allow me to simulate the Solomons and those clashes over Henderson, even if the map is someone small and generic.

If Okinawa sticks...then I'll ask to the devs to PLEASE made sure several islands are represented, (not just the big island) and that there are some appropriate airbase locations scattered around

the map...even if they're not exactly historical. That way I can simulate a Solomons type engagement with the Midway plane set and extend their utility. :)

I'll just need that Betty...and also an A6M2-N Rufe :)

 

This is going to be fun any way it shakes out.

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But thats not a problem for a game. I'm up for a TBF as well as D4Y-1 for Japanese (since those in form of 2 were present during the battle on Soryu), for campaign thats not a problem at all since such aircraft would be limited in missions while for multiplayer it doesnt really matter, its up to those who design scenarios for multiplayer missions to set any restrictions. 

 

Only one D4Y take part to the battle, the other one crash landed before.

The 4 June the D4Y do only one recon mission over the US Task forces, the pilot take off from Soryu at 8h32, he send a message who never arrived about the position and composition of the Task Force 16 (Hornet, Enterprise) around 11h. At 13h he is over the Kido Butai, drop a writen message about his discover on the Hiryu (the Soryu is burning) and wait his turn for landing. Some plane are taking off for the second wave against the Yorkown. The D4Y finish his career when the Hiryu is attacked, 4 hours later.

 

This is what I have about the action of the D4Y during battle of Midway, his role probably a little unsignificant to do this plane for the game.

 

But this is a problem of this battle to have planes that we can't see on others theaters, or being unuseful:

4 B26 loaded with torpedoes (one attack, no result), never used in that role after.

F2A3 defending Midway, massacred by the A6M2, took of active service (considered as the baddest Buffalo built).

12 SB2U-3 of the VMSB-241 only used in Midway ( the VMSB-241 got 17 SBD-2 too)

E7K1 (3 on Haruna and Kirishima, 2 on Tone and Chikuma, total of 10) use for recon

E13A1 (3 on Tone and Chikuma, total of 6) use for recon

1 E11A1 on Nagara (used during battle ?)

6 A5M4 on Zuiho (no participation in the battle)

24 F1M2 and 8 others E13A1 Kamikawa Maru and Chitoose (no participation in the battle)

 

If someone got "Shattered Sword The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway", we can learn more about the battle especially for the japanese side.

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The other Judy did not crash land before the battle but suffered issues related to external fuel tank release. Or as it was brought long ago on j-aircraft forums :

Motojima is the postwar name of OHBUCHI Keizoh, who was a dive-bomber officer during the war.  He was a junior officer in ABE Zenji's kanbaku chutai at Pearl Harbor, and remained as part of CV Akagi's dive-bomber unit up through Indian Ocean.  Just prior to Midway, he transferred to Soryu and was assigned to lead its reconn. buntai, and therefore, became directly responsible for the two 13-Shi Carrier Bombers (D4Y).  According to his testimony, he test flew one of them (unfortunately he does not identify which one), shortly after leaving port on the Midway operation, with two drop tanks under the wings.  One of them hung up and would not release.  The way the attachment points were located on these planes, this meant the flaps could not be deployed.  But ditching this brand new machine and losing it in the drink was out of the question.  Being under strict radio silence, Ohbuchi (Motojima) dropped a message tube on Soryu's flight deck requesting the ship make maximum speed.  Soryu cranked up to 34 knots and the D4Y came in hot, without flaps, at 120 knots.  It caught the first wire, but it snapped.  Fortunately, the second one held. 

 

The latter one participated in the battle as you have written and although it did not do much (which is really relative, scout aircraft never do much since they dont deliver blows but on the other hand spotting enemy they can change the tide of battles) it fulfilled its purse - a high speed reconnaissance. Yokosuka Kokutai report following Indian Ocean events recommended assigning six to nine 13-shi (D4Y1) Carrier Bombers aboard each carrier division flagship to operate as high-speed scouts, since air search during Operation C (Indian ocean events) had left something to be desired.  Thus, the inclusion of the two D4Ys in Soryu's complement for Midway Invasion was an attempt to meet those recommendations, at least partially. Faulty radio was there a problem, but its not all that relevant to us.

 

What matters is that Japanese do not have any warning radar and without Judy they would lack any high speed machine to scout ahead of the fleet. None of the floatplanes could do so as effectively as Judy could, not to mention their range limits.  B5Ns also do not exactly fit into that role. So I'd take into account role this aircraft can play in our game. Not to mention that premium aircraft do not have to be exactly related to campaigns as long as timeframe fits - like Mc. 202 over Moscow or 190 over Stalingrad. 

 

I got Shattered Sword and recommended it to many people on forums here, some of them I believe got it. 

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I got Shattered Sword and recommended it to many people on forums here, some of them I believe got it. 

 

A must read.

An essential bank of knowledge for anyone who even wants to talk about Midway.

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all I want to know is, will I be able to fly patrols from Wake Island in an F3F Barrel or F4F Wildcat in the near future...? Is that what's happening here?

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Not sure about Wake Island and not sure about F3F Barrel, but Midway patrols in Wildcat will be a thing in a reasonable future. You have to wait until Kuban development is complete (apparently somewhere in the end of this year) and then things will be rolling. 

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Here's the 'definitive' list of opposing forces at Midway that we used for the SEOW campaign in Il-2 46. Ship classes we didn't worry about too much as what was available was pretty generic, but it includes the names of the Japanese Oilers and Transports etc. It is based on a huge amount of research by me; I also made the Midway Expanded map that was used for the campaign. It's in the HSFX mod pack and every building, road, path etc is correctly positioned and of its type as far as the game allowed. It might be worth you taking a look; let me know if you need a copy.

 

EDIT: Bah! It lost all of its formatting. I'll upload the file somewhere if anyone's interested.

 

US OOB

 

TASK FORCE DIVISION Sub-Division Ship Type Ship Name Aircraft/Cargo

 

START 4 June 1942

 

TASK FORCE 17

Adm. Fletcher

 

Carrier Group TG 17.5 CV CV-5 Yorktown VF-3: 25x F4F-4

VB-3: 18x SBD-3

VS-5: 19x SBD-3

VT-3: 13x TBD-1

 

Cruiser Group TG17.2 CA CA-34 Astoria

CA CA-33 Portland 4x floatplanes

 

Destroyer Squadron TG 17.4 DD DD-412 Hammann

DD DD-410 Hughes

DD DD-417 Morris

DD DD-411 Anderson

DD DD-414 Russell

DD DD-433 Gwin

 

 

TASK FORCE 16

R.Adm. Spruance

 

Carrier Group TG 16.5 CV CV-6 Enterprise VF-6: 27x F4F-4

VB-6: 19x SBD-2 & -3

VS-6: 19x SBD-2 & -3

VT-6: 14x TBD-1

 

CV CV-8 Hornet VF-8: 27x F4F-4

VB-8: 19x SBD-2 & -3

VS-8: 18x SBD-1, -2 & -3

VT-8: 15x TBD-1

 

Cruiser Group TG16.2 CA CA-32 New Orleans 4x floatplanes

CA CA-36 Minneapolis 4x floatplanes

CA CA-44 Vincennes 4x floatplanes

CA CA-26 Northampton 3x floatplanes

CA CA-24 Pensacola 2x floatplanes

CL CL-51 Atlanta

 

Destroyer Squadron TG 16.4 DD DD-360 Phelps

DD DD-352 Worden

DD DD-354 Monaghan

DD DD-355 Aylwin

 

Desron 6 DD DD-363 Balch

DD DD-371 Conyngham

DD DD-397 Benham

DD DD-398 Ellet

DD DD-401 Maury

 

Oiler Group AO AO-22 Cimarron

AO AO-24 Platte

DD DD-349 Dewey

DD DD-436 Monssen

 

 

SUBMARINES

 

Midway Patrol Group TG 7.1 SS SS-168 Nautilus

SS SS-169 Dolphin

SS SS-170 Cachalot

SS SS-171 Cuttlefish

SS SS-214 Grouper

SS SS-229 Flying Fish

SS SS-198 Tambor

SS SS-202 Trout

SS SS-209 Grayling

SS SS-210 Grenadier

SS SS-211 Gudgeon

SS SS-212 Gato

 

 

MIDWAY LOCAL DEFENSES

 

USMC Motor Torpedo Sqn 1 PT 8x PT Boat (Midway)

PT 2x PT Boat (Kure)

 

Hermes Reef Yacht PY-25 Crystal

MS AT-144 Vireo

 

Patrol Wing 2 VP-23 11x PBY-5 'Catalina' Bombs

VP-44 15X PBY-5A 'Catalina' Bombs

 

VT-8 6x TBF-1 'Avenger' 1x torpedo

 

 

MARINE AIRCRAFT GROUP (MAG 22)

 

VMF-221 20x F2A-3 'Buffalo' -

6x F4F-3 'Wildcat' -

VMSB-241 16x SBD-2 'Dauntless' 1x 500 lb bomb

11x SB2U-3 'Vindicator' 1x 500 lb bomb

 

7th ARMY AIR FORCE DETACHMENT

 

18th BS, 22nd BG 2x B-26 'Marauder' 1x torpedo

69th BS, 38th BG 2x B-26B 'Marauder' 1x torpedo

7th AF HQ 1x B-17E 'Flying Fortress' Bombs

42nd BS, 11th BG 4x B-17E 'Flying Fortress' Bombs

431st BS, 11th BG 6x B-17E 'Flying Fortress' Bombs

31st BS, 5th BG 2x B-17E 'Flying Fortress' Bombs

72nd BS, 5th BG 1x B-17E 'Flying Fortress' Bombs

 

3rd MARINE DEFENSE BATTALION AA Group 8x 37mm AAA Guns

 

4th MARINE DEFENSE BATTALION @ 200 men

 

Battery A 7" & 3" Guns - Eastern Island

Battery B 5" Guns, 12x AAA MGs + MGs

Battery C 3" Guns - Sand Island

Battery D 3" Guns - Sand Island

 

6th MARINE DEFENSE BATTALION @1700 men

 

2nd MARINE RAIDER BATTALION @200 men?

 

Company C Sand Island

Company D Eastern Island

 

 

 

REINFORCEMENTS

 

 

MIDWAY RELIEF FUELLING FORCE Midway area 5 June 1942 (from Hawaii)

 

AO AO-32 Guadalupe AvGas

DD DD-387 Blue

DD DD-390 Ralph Talbot

 

 

7th ARMY AIR FORCE DETACHMENT Midway area 5 June 1942 +3 Hours (from Hawaii)

 

4x LB-30 (B24) 'Liberator' Bombs

(Staging through on way to attack Wake Island)

 

IJN OOB

 

TASK FORCE DIVISION Sub-Division Ship Type Ship Name Aircraft/Cargo If Midway Captured

 

 

1st Carrier Striking Force

Vice-Adm. Nagumo

 

Carrier Group Car.Div 1 CV Akagi 19x A6M2 'Zero'; 18x D3A1 'Val'; 18x B5N2 'Kate'. 9x A6M2 'Zero'

CV Kaga 18x A6M2 'Zero'; 18x D3A1 'Val'; 27x B5N2 'Kate'. 9x A6M2 'Zero'

Car.Div 2 CV Hiryu 18x A6M2 'Zero'; 18x D3A1 'Val'; 18x B5N2 'Kate'. 9x A6M2 'Zero'

CV Soryu 18x A6M2 'Zero'; 18x D3A1 'Val'; 18x B5N2 'Kate'. 9x A6M2 'Zero'

(all 6th Kokutai)

Support Group Cru.Div 8 CA Tone 3x E13A1 'Jake'

CA Chikuma

Bat Div.3 (2nd Sect.) BB Haruna 3x E8N2 'Dave'

BB Kirishima

 

Screening Force DesRon 10 CL Nagara

DesDiv 4 DD Nowaki

DD Arashi

DD Hagikaze

DD Maikaze

DesDiv 10 DD Kazagumo

DD Yugumo

DD Makigumo

DesDiv 17 DD Urakzi

DD Isokaze

DD Tanikaze

 

Supply Group AO Kyokuto Maru

AO Shinkoku Maru

AO Toho Maru

AO Nippon Maru

AO Kokuyo Maru

DD Agikumo

 

 

Midway Invasion Force

Vice-Adm. Kondo

Invasion Force Main Body

Cru.Div 4 CA Atago 3x E13A1 'Jake'

CA Chokai 3x E13A1 'Jake'

Cru.Div 5 CA Myoko

CA Haguro

Bat Div.3 BB Kongo 3x E8N2 'Dave'

BB Hiei

 

Screening Force DesRon 4 CL Yura

DesDiv 2/3 DD Murusame

DD Samidare

DD Harusame

DD Yudachi

DesDiv 9 DD Asugumo

DD Minegumo

DD Natsugumo

 

Carrier Group CVL Zuiho 12x A6M2 'Zero'; 12x B5N2 'Kate'.

DD Mikozuki

 

Supply Group AO Sata

AO Tsurumi

AO Genyo Maru

AO Kenyo Maru

Repair Ship Akashi

 

 

Midway Occupation Force

 

Close Support Group

CruDiv. 7 CA Kumano

CA Suzuya

CA Mikuma 3x E13A1 'Jake'

CA Mogami 3x E13A1 'Jake'

DesDiv. 8 DD Asashio

DD Arashio

AO Nichiei Maru

 

Transport Group Transport Kiyozumi Maru IJA 28th Infantry Regt

Transport Keiyo Maru IJA 28th Infantry Regt

Transport Zenyo Maru IJA 28th Infantry Regt

Transport Goshu Maru No.2 IJA 28th Infantry Regt

Transport Toa Maru IJA 28th Infantry Regt

Transport Kano Maru IJA 28th Infantry Regt

Transport Argentina Maru IJA 11th Construction Btn

Transport Hokuriku Maru

Transport Brazil Maru

Transport Kirishima Maru

Transport Azuma Maru

Transport Nankai Maru

PB Patrol Boat No.1 Landing Craft + Yokosuka Regt, 5th SNLF

PB Patrol Boat No.2 Landing Craft + Yokosuka Regt, 5th SNLF

PB Patrol Boat No.34 Landing Craft + Yokosuka Regt, 5th SNLF

AO Akebono Maru AvGas

DesRon 2 CL Jintsu

DesDiv. 15 DD Kuroshio

DD Oyashio

DesDiv. 16 DD Yukikaze

DD Amatsukaze

DD Tokitsukaze

DD Hatsukaze

DesDiv. 18 DD Shiranuhi

DD Kasumi

DD Arare

DD Kagero

 

Seaplane Tender Group SeaTen Div. 11 CVS Chitose 12x E13A1 'Jake', 4x F1M2 'Pete' 12x A6M2 'Rufe'

AV Kamikawa Maru (802nd Kokutai)

DD Hayashio (for Kure Atoll)

PB Patrol Boat No.35

 

Minesweeper Group Minesweepers MS Tama Maru No. 5

MS Tama Maru No. 4

MS Shonan Maru No.7

MS Shonan Maru No.8

Submarine Chasers SC Subchaser No.16

SC Subchaser No.17

SC Subchaser No.18

Supply Ship Supply Soya

Cargo Ships Cargo Meiyo Maru

Cargo Yamafuku Maru

 

 

Advance (Submarine) Force (Sixth Fleet)

 

SubSqn 3 SS I-168

 

 

REINFORCEMENTS

 

 

Main Body From Japan

Adm. Yamamoto

 

Battleship Group Bat Div. 1 BB Yamato 3x E8N2 'Dave'

BB Mutsu

BB Nagato 3x E8N2 'Dave'

 

Carrier Group CVL Hosho 8x B4Y1 'Jean'

DD Yukaze

 

Special Force CVS Chiyoda Midget Subs

CVS Nisshin Midget Subs

 

Screening Force DesRon 3 CL Sendai

DesDiv 11 DD Fubuki

DD Shirayuki

DD Hatsuyuki

DD Murakumo

DesDiv 19 DD Isonami

DD Uranami

DD Shikinami

DD Ayanami

 

1st Supply Unit Oiler Naruto

Oiler Toei Maru

 

 

Advance (Submarine) Force (Sixth Fleet) From Laysan Island

 

SubDiv 13 SS I-121

SS I-122

SS I-123

SubSqn 5 SS I-166

 

 

Advance (Submarine) Force (Sixth Fleet) From NW of Hawaii

 

SubSqn 5 SS I-158

SS I-159

SS I-162

SS I-165

 

 

IF MIDWAY CAPTURED

 

11th Koku Kantai

 

 

22nd Chutai, Mihoro Kokutai 10x G4M1 'Betty'

(From Wake Island)

 

 

21st Koku Sentai, Toko Kokutai 6x H8K1 'Emily'

(From Jaluit)

 

 

 

 

NOTE

 

Each Transport or Patrol Boat carries 500 men, apart from the Construction Bttn, which = 200 men.

 

9x 500 + 1x 200 = 4,700 men.

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CV Soryu 18x A6M2 'Zero'; 18x D3A1 'Val'; 18x B5N2 'Kate'. 9x A6M2 'Zero'

It's not entirely definitive since mentioned above two 13-shi D4Y1 are missing from Soryu list. 

 

Anyway, very nice job Cat :)

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