Tactical Air War

[216th_Jordan]

Vya cannon abuse on IL2 and lagg3 will need to be severely limited if the equivalent limits on the 1t/500k bombs come into effect on the german bombers as otherwise we will see the repetition of the previous campaign.

 

What kind of abuse on the Il-2? It was the standard armament. The VYa-23 was developed for the Il-2. Germans have 1t bombs, Russians have VYa-23.

[JaffaCake]

What kind of abuse on the Il-2? It was the standard armament. The VYa-23 was developed for the Il-2. Germans have 1t bombs, Russians have VYa-23.

 

 

I call it abuse because a single il2 with another person to distract AAA of the column can take out every tank in the column. If the 1t bombs were limited to rear airfields the LW would have no chance to compete.

 

While I agree that realistically il2 did have VYA, practically in this server, where tank columns are stationary and have easy to handle AAA the il2 efficiency is unrealistically high. 

 

Same thing about defence lines - il2 can survive and take out the AAA (if lucky can do it alone even) and proceed to gun down the soft and hard targets (occasional PZIII tank). For LW the defences contain occasional kv1/t34/bt7 that survive the 1t bombs and require precision bombing from low altitude with fragile stuka / 110 to take out the tanks. 

 

 

Last season VVS team won every map via the tank limit while being usually outnumbered 2:1. Please remember that. LW still did their bombing and tried to win via AF capture and failed to compete.

 

I really dislike the fact that VVS players complain about the 1 ton bombs that LW glass bombers can carry when the VVS is so much more efficient at taking out the tanks and pe2 is by no means bad! I do not wish to fly yet another season clubbing the now-impotent LW team. I am also frustrated that the current VVS team has basically given up because the easy win button got removed :/

Edited March 21, 2017 by JaffaCake

[Scojo]

Never said it was a mission issue - I said it is a main issue Which is unfortunately not under the control of the server admins.

I know, but usually when people post on a server page they're implying it's a server problem, so I was just clarifying and also pointing out that people want this AAA issue to get changed, but it hasn't gained much traction.

 

People tend to dislike changing something, even if it should be changed, when it can result in them getting shot down more lol

[SCG_Neun]

Wow. 

 

Well the Luftwaffe has a win button now called level bombing.  They don't even have to attempt to defend their tanks, let alone attack ours anymore, because they just level bomb our airfields and shut them down.  So now we have to fly from farther away just to stop tanks that don't help our team win, yet we still have to do it.  Meanwhile if we attempt to level bomb their airfields, it takes two Pe-2's to equal one Ju-88, and it takes at minimum three Ju-88's to knock out an airfield... so roughly six Pe-2's to do the same. 

 

Yeah, you can destroy defenses, but it will take a couple (or a few) friendly aircraft working together.  The LW just needs one bomber (Ju-88) with two large bombs to level bomb our defenses from 4.5-5km and they are dead.  It takes multiple IL-2, Pe-2, P-40, or LaGG's to do the same job.  Considering the amount of players on each side, how should these VVS hero's divide their time up?  Two attack the enemy tanks while two defend the airfield?

 

As far as I'm concerned, TAW is broken and will be dead until fixed, and all the whiners did it. 

You guys want to complain about the disparity in numbers but you never make an effort to recruit. Not many base sites for VVS members to recruit from, something like the 71st_AH  type of program and if you look at the work they put into their unit, you will see that they have about 23 members.     Your own unit hasn't reached out to recruit in months and even when I had guys wanting to join your unit, you guys couldn't be reached.  Am I missing something here?  You could offset our numbers if you actually tried recruiting and making an effort to build up your forces.  You could put some fighters up high to intercept our bombers....I could be more empathetic to your woe.....if there was some energy spent getting in gear and doing something positive in bringing members into your unit.  If you just want to hop into your fighter, or bombers and fly you can't expect pilots who are looking for a VVS unit to come fighting their way to signup.  Our unit is debating on going VVS some in TAW to help out, we have the numbers as a unit currently to do such a thing, but we work on it too.  Whatever the rules of the server are you have to have a unit large enough to work with first.....Besides, I'm sure the rules will be readjusted again anyway....

Edited March 21, 2017 by 4./JG52_Neun

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

In my opinion all it takes is some Hartmann wannabe Luftwaffe-only heroes to step up and fly VVS for a campaign or two to even out the numbers.

 

It's not rocket science people. I understand that people love their German aircraft, but hasn't anyone's parents ever taught them about sharing and taking turns?

[JaffaCake]

In my opinion all it takes is some Hartmann wannabe Luftwaffe-only heroes to step up and fly VVS for a campaign or two to even out the numbers.

 

It's not rocket science people. I understand that people love their German aircraft, but hasn't anyone's parents ever taught them about sharing and taking turns?

 

 

We had two pokryshkins covert to hartmann this season. Last season reds sweeped the deck with LW, this season LW went past the Moscow and captured USA along with it.

[curiousGamblerr]

 

 

Am I missing something here?

 

Yes, you are. Let's end this conversation before it gets any more personal than you've already made it. 

[[TWB]dillon_biz]

We had two pokryshkins covert to hartmann this season. Last season reds sweeped the deck with LW, this season LW went past the Moscow and captured USA along with it.

It's more so a chronic problem with the game in its entirety rather than just this server.

 

So many JGs all the time.

[SCG_Neun]

Yes, you are. Let's end this conversation before it gets any more personal than you've already made it. 

CG, I'm sorry if it's taken that way, I'm just trying to make a point.  I apologize and don't mean for it to be that personal, really.  I've always tried my best to help you guys grow and put in a lot of time trying to make it happen.  I'd help anyone who wants to grow a VVS unit.   But my point is, that it does take some focus and some effort and it's not all about just flying.

Edited March 21, 2017 by 4./JG52_Neun

[ACG_pezman]

Yes, you are. Let's end this conversation before it gets any more personal than you've already made it. 

 

Well said.

 

CG, I'm sorry if it's taken that way, I'm just trying to make a point.  I apologize and don't mean for it to be that personal, really.  I've always tried my best to help you guys grow and put in a lot of time trying to make it happen.  I'd help anyone who wants to grow a VVS unit.   But my point is, that it does take some focus and some effort and it's not all about just flying.

 

I don't think this TAW campaign is hampered by recruitment.  A lot of the VVS drivers went to the LW this time because of the result of the last campaign.  The numbers for those flying VVS were so low this time that any unit flying would either be spread so thin trying to do it all or be forced to work together as a unit to survive, but leaving objectives open to attack and more.  Both choice lead to failure in the end.

 

But I would love to fly VVS with JG52 and I think ya'll would have a lot of fun. 

[BOO]

Bit taken back you'd go for Neun like that Gambler. I think his point is sound

 

Cant see where it went "personal"

 

dunno - you kinda took a minus one for me there

[Asgar]

 

Bit taken back you'd go for Neun like that Gambler. I think his point is sound

 

Cant see where it went "personal"

 

dunno - you kinda took a minus one for me there

he never went personal, but this is the internet

[BOO]

 

 

he never went personal, but this is the internet

 

 

Yeah - internet - goddam internet

 

but I'm always gonna back my C/O :-)

[216th_Jordan]

Well directly discussing squad politics as the reason for failure of balance in a public servers thread over a problem that is not to be searched on the red side can seem kind of insulting. just saying.

 

I'm sure intentions were different though.

So let it rest now.

[Monostripezebra]

1) If the 1t bombs were limited to rear airfields the LW would have no chance to compete.

 

 2)the il2 efficiency is unrealistically high. 

 

3)Last season VVS team won every map via the tank limit while being usually outnumbered 2:1. Please remember that. LW still did their bombing and tried to win via AF capture and failed to compete.

 

I really dislike the fact that VVS players complain about the 1 ton bombs that LW glass bombers can carry when the VVS is so much more efficient at taking out the tanks and pe2 is by no means bad! I do not wish to fly yet another season clubbing the now-impotent LW team. I am also frustrated that the current VVS team has basically given up because the easy win button got removed :/

 

As someone with a bit of bomb experience on all sides and all planes, let me just set this straight:

 

1) just no.

The only difference between frontline bases and rear bases is that your chances of dying as a bomber pilot are better on the frontline ones. You can only realistcally expect to survive multiple attacks on AAA defended targets if you fly high. The climb is what takes time in a bomber and limits your amount of missions. If you climb from a front base or a rearbase is irrelevant, as long as you climb. With the really tiny map distances (for bomber measures) the travel time once at alt is really insignifcant.. it´s around 5-10 min between the front and back airfields... 

 

2) it is a game.. all people have unrealistically high efficency.. from fighter kills to bombers. The game environment (with clustered targets and simplified destruction modeling)though especially favours bombs with larger blast radius. The larger the blastradius, the disproportional easier it becomes to hit, once you can actually hit precisely (more precisely then in the real world, as conditions are less variable and you can easily learn through reproducting and varying target entries) you can place blast radius favourably touching multiple targets. With always same sized targets full of stuff, especially our "factory" targets or "train stations" larger bombs become disproportionally more effective. 1800kg bombs against those targets are loudacrous.. and a single bomber who knows a bit can devasted those targets in the current form. Off course it is fun, I love lobbing the big bombs, but as long as the distance between the single destructive 3d objects is atributed to one target is not drastically increased, LW planes are around 4x more efficient in destroying those targets. Yes, the Il2 is overly efficient at attacking stationary tanks in the strafing category.. but if you employ alt bombing or use ju88s with a shitload of 50ies the efficiency difference is only minor and by no means as significant ast the bomb blast radius effects. Not to speak of payload per se... LW has simply the vastly better bombers, for pure bombing roles. The Pe2 is super fun to fly and it is a cool multirole flyer and maybe a tad bit too durable, but it carries the bombload of a fighterbomber... Me110 can even lift more. Unless you want to do low level strafing with multiple passes (which I consider nonsense for survival oriented players) the LW has no field to cry about effiency. It is the better side in all aspects, save for continued low level hauling.

 

There are NO "easy win buttons" for either side, though.. in the end it is all in the teamwork, but let´s be honest.. on a scale of historical wars, we´re at "tribal" level at best: The best we get in game is small groups that indepentently do things together because friends fly and comunicate together. That is like tribes a lot more then like an army in the industrial age... In the end it is all player knowledge, comunication, teamwork and dedication.. but it is a game, not a job or fight for life. LW could easily compete and win at less then 2:1 odds though, if we just look at the planes. Heck, a good team could even run outnumbered towards a LW win, hardwarewise.

 

 

It used to be so, that in the older days new players where mostly going red, because the planes looked and felt easier to fly.. but with the more widespread knowledge about air combat, blue aircraft are now the first go-to option. But in the end you only get the real fun if you fly both sides and learn from both sides.. all this "I only do one side evah! and will not be seen dead in the other sides crate!!11!" shit is simply douchbaggy. Off course, we all have preferences and I am guilty as well of loving the 109...and Pe2, but hey guys, it is a game.

 

 

With that said: Thanks for all the fun guys and see you someday soon.

 

special thanx to KG53 for the wonderful attack on my airfield.. I wish we would actually see more of those things in game, regardless from what side!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfAueSpaO4

 

and just a little bit of me having fun in my prefered solo playstyle. It´s not that I don´t apreciate teamwork, but sometimes after a day working seriously, I just don´t feel like playin a game like a job and seriously caring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3joaMiFEco

Edited March 21, 2017 by Monostripezebra

[SCG_Neun]

I admit I get passionate about all this stuff and forums bring out the worst in me and I should really just stay off of them. But I'm not beyond saying I'm sorrow for upsetting someone. I'm old and back in the day we didn't let having these kinds of conversations shock us this much. It's a delicate age we navigate these days and I do better face to face....

 

And as Forrest Gump once said.....that's all I got to say about that....

[JaffaCake]

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1) To some extent I would agree with you. I am not a greatest fan of LW high altitude bombing - the effort required to climb and how glassy they are makes them not very attractive in comparison to PE2/IL2 (great climb rate for Pe2, both can stand up to defend themselves)

 

2) The win button is very very real. VVS win button had nothing to do with winning the map or completing the long-term objectives. The win button was very simple - have a mission, fly a mission, kill a tank, you are 1 tank closer to victory. LW has no way to subtract from the count, they cannot "retake" the blown up tanks by spending more effort. Its a race - I kill your tanks faster than you do mine - I win. 

 

Any objective that is not a tug of war effectively makes it a win button in my view, as the other team can only compete via racing you for it while trying to slow you down. They cannot revert the progress you made. last season LW's primary way of victory was not a win button, as airfields can be recaptured and repaired. VVS on the other hand just needed to pad the tank number.

 

 

3) I have to disagree with aiming the 1 ton bombs from the required 4-7km altitude to evade VVS fighters, angry AAA and have a chance to make it to the target. Most of the days the server has very aggressive winds (5-15m/s variable with altitude) That I simply prefer to dive bomb with my Pe2. I wouldn't be surprised if LW bomber pilots would not be able to hit the target dead centre from 7km. I also thought 1800kg bombs were disabled?

 

 

In conclusion - yes LW has great medium bombers that perform very well IF they get to the target. The latter is a problem as they always require escort, die easily to fighters and require high altitudes to evade AAA. That limits their effectiveness as it takes 30 minutes to climb to altitude.

PE2 is comparable in that respect as it can carry 1ton load, get to target very fast, does not require to climb - LW pilots are always at altitude anyway, but can stand up to the LW fighters with great rear gunner and durability. So in effect you can do 2 PE2 runs in the time it takes LW bomber to do 1 high altitude sortie. Tonnage per time comes down to about the same.

 

However when you compare il2 to stuka / 110 / 88x50kg you get the   glass+low ammo / glass + limited bomb load / unlikely precision required to hit targets. I have never seen ju88 take out an entire tank column in 1 load of 50kgs. I never seen 110 take out more than 3-4 tanks and only after AAA has been taken out. I have seen occasionally a stuka pilot capable of taking out multiple tanks with the BK3.7, but a single KV1 takes up quarter of his ammo alone. I have however seen tank columns being taken out by 1 il2 and a distracting fighter in a single sortie, I did not see those same pilots do it on the LW side when they switched to the LW this season.

 

It make me laugh when people keep pressing the "LW planes are better" agenda every time to try to gain something for the VVS side. VVS planes are amazing! The only strength of the LW is running away and great bomb loads. Playing for an objective forces them to go low and actually fight you, eliminating whatever advantage they had from the start. Most of their aircraft are glass as well - he111 can soak quite a bit of damage - but you can keep sitting on its 6 and spraying with little danger.

Edited March 22, 2017 by JaffaCake

[FTC_DerSheriff]

 

There is more to it. I never used the Ju88 and HE111 to kill tanks. I used them to close the Airfields. One Ju88 can damage an Airfield 30-50%. Just take three and u have one Airfield closed (or with less bombers damaged, and that limits the available ac from that af). Airfields closed means that the VVS have much greater distances to overcome to cover or attack stuff. Then the 110s, and now the Fw190 (which are damn excellent at their job I might add) come into play. they CAN come in low and the can expect to get out again. Stukas are imho obsolete as soon the 110G and Fw190 are available.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2017 by DerSheriff

[216th_Jordan]

Lets face it though, if RE would be up right now the red side would have no players at all. Which is pretty alarming.

[JaffaCake]

There is more to it. I never used the Ju88 and HE111 to kill tanks. I used them to close the Airfields. One Ju88 can damage an Airfield 30-50%. Just take three and u have one Airfield closed (or with less bombers damaged, and that limits the available ac from that af). Airfields closed means that the VVS have much greater distances to overcome to cover or attack stuff. Then the 110s, and now the Fw190 (which are damn excellent at their job I might add) come into play. they CAN come in low and the can expect to get out again. Stukas are imho obsolete as soon the 110G and Fw190 are available.

 

 

 

 

Can you take out the entire tank column with 1x 110/190 and 1x 109? You can with 1xil2 and 1x (insert VVS fighter here)

 

Closing down VVS airfields was easy for the LW this time around as VVS lost its primary fighter pilots to LW side. Last season hardly any of the VVS airfields were disabled/captured that way.

 

In any case, I wouldn't argue if besides tank limit we had "airfield bomb tonnage limit" where any side to drop X amount of bombs on the airfield automatically wins.

 

To those catching up only now a reminder that the argument started for/against returning tank limit after this season

Edited March 22, 2017 by JaffaCake

[=FEW=N3cRoo]

Can you take out the entire tank column with 1x 110/190 and 1x 109? You can with 1xil2 and 1x (insert VVS fighter here)

 

 

You clearly speak about something you haven't done yourself extensively let alone looked up in the stats of VVS attackers.

 

Give a normal pilot 6x 100kgs and the 23mm in a Il2 and give him fucking 15 minutes undisturbed time over the target (which is a fucking lot) he aint gonna kill 15 tanks ... realistically 3-5 tanks and 2-3 AA, get a seasoned veteran IL2 pilot he'll prob nail 4/6 bombs get 2-4 tanks with the guns. This server does not represent ideal conditions where there is no wind and no gusts with convoys being between trees or even forests and the 23mm only does something below 300m.

go ahead try it make a video of it you'll need 3-5 IL2 working undisturbed for 15 minutes.

 

I've even had sorties where we had to resort to carped bombing with Pe2 because it was moscow forestry combined with horrible wind from an unfortunate angle being unable to achieve much with a flight of ~5 soviet attackers for like more than 30 minutes

 

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Just for example stats from highest ranked VVS attacker: 

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=12887&name=HotPursuit

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=14081&name=HotPursuit

Edited March 22, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin

[Monostripezebra]

I am not a greatest fan of LW high altitude bombing

 

 

That I simply prefer to dive bomb with my Pe2.

PE2 does not require to climb

 

It make me laugh when people keep pressing the "LW planes are better" agenda every time to try to gain something for the VVS side. VVS planes are amazing! The only strength of the LW is running away and great bomb loads. Playing for an objective forces them to go low and actually fight you, eliminating whatever advantage they had from the start. Most of their aircraft are glass as well - he111 can soak quite a bit of damage - but you can keep sitting on its 6 and spraying with little danger.

 

LoL wut?

 

 

Let´s just go and dedicate our time to something more meaningful then that...

 

 

 

 

PS: I still think a real "sportive" match would require fixed teams, fixed timepoints and both teams playing both sides.. only that way it would be meaningful match in which one could actually see a better or worse team...but then again we can´t have that because "I only bleu!" [edited];=)

Edited March 22, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin
Not needed at all

[JG5_Schuck]

You know what really yanks my string.......

When people whine about this server, then i search for them in the pilot roster and they haven't even taken part!! WTF

If you can do any better, make your own!

 

My wingman and i have come to the conclusion that half the problem is peoples perception of the aircraft, and their ability to fly them,

'VVS planes= difficult to learn, easy to master..... LW planes= easy to learn, difficult to master'

[216th_Jordan]

The server on its own is quite great. But the massive team imbalance severely hampers the fun of the players in the minor team.

 

There needs to be found a way to overcome this, be it by forcing a severe ratio penalty (like number of combat missions for the bigger team increases in steps) or red planes could generally be gained by only 2 combat missions to simulate the higher output of planes on the allied side or just an ordinary spawn lock when the ratio exceeds 1.8:1 from 10 players per side upwards.

[A_radek]

This is the bestest server. It's absolutely fantastic, it's true. Despite flying red 3:1 and not being of much use, it's the greatest.

 

Who was the new red pilot asking for someone to fly with yesterday? Was too busy over kalach to answer, otherwise always willing to team up.

Edited March 23, 2017 by a_radek

[=ARTOA=Bubi87]

Hey chaps,

could it be that the AAA of the defensive positions are stronger than before? Haven’t played IL2 quite a while tho. But yesterday I joined the server again and did some 3 Missions. I attacked the Russian defense south-east of peskovatka 2 times. One time with a F4 and then with a 110. Both times I was a one shot for the AAA. With the 109 I could not even drop my bomb, instant pilot kill.

In the 110 my wing was simply ripped off. Like said, it was the first time since quite a time, but I did this kind of attacks on the same targets relatively often with 109 and 110 and was never killed. Damaged ofc, but 2 one shots in two sorties? That’s hard lol

 

So was there a change in Accuracy of AAA, or was it just bad luck?

 

And about the other point: Isn’t it a bit weird and whining that the VVS side now complains about loosing once after the Luftwaffe lost all battles I saw since October?

Seems like some people got so used to win that they now are complaining a lot because the loose for the first time in TAW history?

 

Edit: And who think some guys the are to force People to fly for a specific side? I played on times when they were 10 LW against 30 vvs and it was still playable and ok. When some Lw guys whined about that then, you know what VVW Playersargued?

"Thats war, you have to get used to it and adapt your tactics to it..."

 

I havent flown for the VVS side yet because i am still not good with the german ones. And i dont think it will help If i fly both at the same time since there are much differences. THerefore i first Need more practice to master one side before i fly the other.

Edited March 23, 2017 by =ARTOA=Golden_Phoenix87

[216th_Jordan]

 

And about the other point: Isn’t it a bit weird and whining that the VVS side now complains about loosing once after the Luftwaffe lost all battles I saw since October?

 

VVS was "whining" before. Yes, they won on the paper, but only because LW ran out of Planes or Tanks not because VVS was actually better or "getting the job done" (well exceptions go along with it, see Campaign #3). Actually in almost every Campaign there was a stack in sides towards LW and it has gotten worse.

 

See: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21029-tactical-air-war/?p=452187

 

And please don't get me wrong, I sometimes like to fly in target rich environments and being outnumbered, but not if that is almost constant.

 

 

PS: Yes the flak is a killer, got sniped 2 times when I tried to bomb something yesterday. The best thing is to make turns while approaching the target and only in the last seconds pull into attack course. And going in teams helps a lot.

Edited March 23, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[=ARTOA=Bubi87]

Oh well, I did not say they played better. But the won anyway. So maybe now under other conditions it’s the time of the Luftwaffe winning some campaigns. I don’t see the point because players “need” to leave because of that.

 

In addition and to be honest I did not care about the overall victory anymore that bad. When I started in October I did. But that leads to frustration, because no matter what we or I did and how much more Lw guy there were, we always lost.

So I decided for me that it is not really something that I can master alone. I do my sorties like I want, I try to help others and I try to kill as many Russian ground/air targets as possible. And then the rest is lcuk, dedication of overall teams or simply more input in time.

 

So I think that is the most healthy you can do. Do whatever you can and if your side wins-> awesome. If your sides loses-> well, at least its not real, like it was for the pilots back then.

 

And why should I leave just because I am outnumbered 3to1? It doesn’t really matter for MY mission since they cannot (and will never) be all on one spot.

When I flew bombing missions in times when the Lw was outnumbered, ofc I saw that on the player board, but I did mostly not experience any difference in the number of enemies I saw/engage/have been engaged by.

Of course you are forced to act in  a different way if you are out numbered. It its quite fun sometimes to be the “sneaky asshole” and pass to all of the enemy defense to attack somewhere where they would never expect you to be.

 

I think its quite sad and stupid to leave the server because of that and its even worse to start insulting each other because of that…

[Scojo]

Hey chaps,

could it be that the AAA of the defensive positions are stronger than before? Haven’t played IL2 quite a while tho. But yesterday I joined the server again and did some 3 Missions. I attacked the Russian defense south-east of peskovatka 2 times. One time with a F4 and then with a 110. Both times I was a one shot for the AAA. With the 109 I could not even drop my bomb, instant pilot kill.

In the 110 my wing was simply ripped off. Like said, it was the first time since quite a time, but I did this kind of attacks on the same targets relatively often with 109 and 110 and was never killed. Damaged ofc, but 2 one shots in two sorties? That’s hard lol

 

So was there a change in Accuracy of AAA, or was it just bad luck?

 

And about the other point: Isn’t it a bit weird and whining that the VVS side now complains about loosing once after the Luftwaffe lost all battles I saw since October?

Seems like some people got so used to win that they now are complaining a lot because the loose for the first time in TAW history?

 

Edit: And who think some guys the are to force People to fly for a specific side? I played on times when they were 10 LW against 30 vvs and it was still playable and ok. When some Lw guys whined about that then, you know what VVW Playersargued?

"Thats war, you have to get used to it and adapt your tactics to it..."

 

I havent flown for the VVS side yet because i am still not good with the german ones. And i dont think it will help If i fly both at the same time since there are much differences. THerefore i first Need more practice to master one side before i fly the other.

 

AAA is the same as before. Alone, I can only survive it in an IL-2, and even with that plane every other mission results in me getting almost instantly killed if I try to accurately destroy something instead of carpet bombing or spending lots of time taking out the AAA (making me very vulnerable to enemy aircraft as I have to stay a long time over the target). All other sorties result in me ditching, excluding a couple of crippled but successful RTBs.

 

As far as what the real cause for such a faction win and effort shift is, that can only be determined by scouring the data.

 

This would be my favorite server if it were easier to get flights together with others. When I usually hop in TS, no one is there. That's not good for keeping player numbers up because single plane sorties are very impractical due to the AAA, so I unfortunately find myself leaving the server instead of sticking around.

 

That doesn't mean I think the AAA should be changed, though.

 

Part of me feels that the players on this server have a tendency to quit trying or quit coming to the server once they feel the campaign is "lost". Is this true? Idk as I haven't scoured the data on it, but I feel it at least plays a part.

 

The only time I've flown with someone this week was when a new guy hopped in TS and asked if he could join. We had a good time even though it was just us getting hammered.

 

There were other people calling out where they were flying on the server, but either they weren't actually working together or were all in other teamspeak servers.

 

And this is the reason why after checking TS or joining the server, I have a tendency to just leave.

 

Winning or losing is irrelevant to me. I just want a good experience, and I don't get that flying alone

Edited March 23, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo

[=ARTOA=Bubi87]

Yeah indeed, TS-gate was always a problem on TAW. I guess not only here but it affect this server much more than it does on WoL ore something similar. And I am guilty of doing it as well. I am mostly flying without TS or on our clan TS. That’s neither wise nor fun and I don’t know why I keep doing. Maybe I should just hop on the TAW TS more often as it can cause quite nice flyouts and a much more better time (not to speak about efficiency!)

Edited March 23, 2017 by =ARTOA=Golden_Phoenix87

[A_radek]

Scojo, People are shy. It's a german server (If im not mistaken) and many nationalities participating. Few with english as a primary and even those posting here, usually don't feel too comfortable when having to speak it.

 

I usually fly alone. Only communicating through chat. But if you see me online, shout and I won't hesitate to join ts and team up, despite me being Swedish

[Scojo]

Scojo, People are shy. It's a german server (If im not mistaken) and many nationalities participating. Few with english as a primary and even those posting here, usually don't feel too comfortable when having to speak it.

 

I usually fly alone. Only communicating through chat. But if you see me online, shout and I won't hesitate to join ts and team up, despite me being Swedish

 

And I fully understand this. I'm not upset with people. If someone really doesn't want to get in teamspeak, that's ok. You just have to realize that to work together well, you'll have to really make a point to do it in chat whereas with TS it's much easier.

 

But just so people know, I don't care if people in TS don't chat much. In fact, the other day, me and another pilot really hardly talked to each other at all. We simply used it to make callouts and get formed up and select targets to attack together.

 

Also, It seems a lot of people might not like to fly with others in fear that they'll hinder the other player or not be of any help. This is never the case. You can be the worst wingman ever, but you're still THERE and that's very helpful in and of itself. Also, it's just a game and no one can fault you for screwing up.

 

Just know that if you see me on TAW, I'll be in TS and ready to wing up with anyone.

 

I always see how many people are in the Axis chat and get pretty envious. I wish I could bring myself to join you, but I hate going LW as a player who plays both factions since it means that the number disparity between sides will be even higher lol

[A_radek]

And I fully understand this. I'm not upset with people. If someone really doesn't want to get in teamspeak, that's ok. You just have to realize that to work together well, you'll have to really make a point to do it in chat whereas with TS it's much easier.

 

But just so people know, I don't care if people in TS don't chat much. In fact, the other day, me and another pilot really hardly talked to each other at all. We simply used it to make callouts and get formed up and select targets to attack together.

 

Also, It seems a lot of people might not like to fly with others in fear that they'll hinder the other player or not be of any help. This is never the case. You can be the worst wingman ever, but you're still THERE and that's very helpful in and of itself. Also, it's just a game and no one can fault you for screwing up.

 

Just know that if you see me on TAW, I'll be in TS and ready to wing up with anyone.

 

I always see how many people are in the Axis chat and get pretty envious. I wish I could bring myself to join you, but I hate going LW as a player who plays both factions since it means that the number disparity between sides will be even higher lol

Same reason I choose red. Can't bring myself to stack lw side even more. And I agree that working together, even novice pilots in a lagg like myself can be a threat instead of a target. If only for the extra pair of eyes scanning the area.

 

Will try and check the roosters for your nick when online.

[Habu]

I have a problem of login/password on the stat site. And when i want to recover the account, there is a message that i'm not registered. But i can see my pilot on the stat site.

 

What is the rules for Ju52 transport ?

[HR_Tumu]

Habu

 

i have similar problem.  but on my case my nickname was changed

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=Tumu_got_hacked

[Asgar]

when i entered the site two days ago i was logged in with someone else's accounts. a problem with the cookies maybe?

[Leutnant_Artur]

Congratulations to LW who won campaign. Also congratulations to Reds for splendid defence actions ! Cheers !!

[A_radek]

Congratulations blue!

Hanging from a chute at 4K alt watching those 88 raids on our airfields was a very impressive sight.

[Habu]

Habu

 

i have similar problem.  but on my case my nickname was changed

 

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=Tumu_got_hacked

I don't know if it's hack or not hack, my nickname did not change :

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot.php?name=Habu

[lovefool]

First of all I would like to thank the hosts and participants for the great session of TAW

 

In fact it was not so awful as it seemed in the beginning. I would like to propose a few tweaks if I may:

 

Returning of VYa for IL-2's and/or more transparent mechanics of the supplies like spy data on the AC types and ammunition present on the LW airfields. Cargo details in convoys, such kind of things.

Maybe some advantage for the Reds, i.e. increased number of depots, supply convoys. Maybe somewhat more complicated system of receiving additional planes for LW, like increased number of CMs to get one.

Also, considering the constant gap in numbers, I would also like to propose to consider the possibility of narrowing the number of fields to be targeted in one mission - because sometimes (esp when server is low populated) it is impossible to counter the wide range of fields. For example - considerably reduced damage rate for AF, not targeted in a mission details.

 

In other words - I think we need slight tweaks that would not overthrow the overall gameplay, but to make it less straightforward. Because this time changes overlaid - LW ground attack efficiency was upped while VVS considerably nerfed.

 

I beg you pardon for chaotic presentation of thoughts. Please do not consider this as a whine post. I'm just looking for a more competitive setup.

 

With much gratitude and appreciation

Edited March 23, 2017 by lovefool