Tactical Air War

[curiousGamblerr]

@SCG_Riksen 19// should be 5 instead of 10, realistically. That's pretty much the max we get online at once.

 

Thanks for your effort maintaining this list.

Edited April 13, 2018 by 19//curiousGamblerr

[Retrofly]

1C need to up the amount of slots with all this interest. Maybe one day we will see 50V50 Battles. Would be nuts

[Nightrise]

4 minutes ago, Retrofly said:

1C need to up the amount of slots with all this interest. Maybe one day we will see 50V50 Battles. Would be nuts

Dream big imagine 100 vs 100 

[DickDong]

weekend has begun, we kicken this thing off or what?

[Nightrise]

3 minutes ago, banzaii said:

weekend has begun, we kicken this thing off or what?

usually starts on a Sunday iirc. 

[FTC_Riksen]

Current line up:

 

Morning EST (GMT -4)

- BD: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- III./JG5: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- IL2AU: VVS (Mixed: 10)

 

Afternoon EST (GMT - 4)

- 1stCL: LW (Fighters: 10)

- 6./ZG26: LW (Ground Attacker: 5)

- 71stAH: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- 7.GShap: VVS (Fighters: 10)

- Ala13: VVS (Mixed: 20)

- ATAG: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- DFA: LW (Mixed: 5)

- F/JG300: LW (Mixed: 5)

- FEW: LW (Mixed: 10)

- gRij: LW (Mixed: 10)

- HR: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- Hydra: LW (Fighters: 10)

- I./JG62: LW (Fighters: 10)

- III./JG5: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- JG4: LW (Mixed: 10)

- JG77: LW (Fighters: 10)

- JGr8: LW (Mixed: 10)

- LG: VVS (Mixed: 10)

 

Evening EST (GMT -4)

- 19: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- 71stAH: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- AKA: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- BD: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- IL2AU: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- JG7: LW (Mixed: 5)

- LLv44: LW (Mixed: 5)

- SqSq: Unsure (Mixed: 10)

- LG: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- SCG: LW (Mixed: 10)

- StG77: VVS (Ground Attackers: 5)

 

* Format:

- Name: Side (Preference: Approximate number of pilots)

Note that a squadron may appear more than once in the list if their pilots fly in more than one time zone. Also remember that lone wolves and not reported squadrons (groups that did not reply to this topic) are not listed here.

 

The goal of this list is to give an overall view of the TAW balance and, hopefully, have the squadrons base their side choice taking balance into consideration. If you wish to change your side just reply in this topic and I will update it. Remember, it is always better to select a side before the campaign starts so choose it wisely now. 

The enjoyment and competitiveness of TAW campaign depends on ALL of us. 

[=LG/F=Kathon]

New TAW campaign starts 15.04.2018 on Sunday morning. Registration is open.

 

Changes and new features

 

• Scenario based maps. On some maps Axis attacks so they have more limits (aircraft, tanks, pilots) and their tanks convoys spawn more frequent for the first several missions and on other maps Allied attacks so they have advantage. There also maps with draw situation. List of maps:

#1 Moscow_North – Axis offensive

#2 Moscow_South – draw

#3 Moscow_North – Allied counteroffensive

#4 Stalingrad_Center – Axis offensive

#5 Stalingrad_South – draw

#6 Kuban - Axis offensive

#7 Stalingrad_Center - Allied counteroffensive

#8 Kuban - Allied counteroffensive

 

• The frequency of spawning tank convoys depends on three factors:

1. Map scenario – more frequent for one side for first several missions
2. Depot destruction – the more damage/destroyed the less frequent tanks spawn
3. Captured area – the more captured cities the more frequent tanks spawn

• French version of the website thanks to -IRRE- team / Les IRREductibles  www.lesirreductibles.com

• Pilot gets CM if he ditches on a friendly airfield with any AK or GK.

• Pilot gets new aircraft after 3 CM if his hangar is not full. Before pilot got new aircraft after sortie ended with CM. Now if pilot has 3/3CM and lost an aircraft he gets a new one.

• New layouts of airfields. There are less buildings and more planes than before.

• After capturing a city a train and supply convoy is send to this city in the next mission.

• An enemy airfield is not repaired in current mission if it was attacked in previous mission. It doesn’t concern border airfields.

• Airfields supply are also damaged after attacking and destroying airfield facilities. Airfields supply are also damaged by tanks convoys.

• Buildings and hangars are generated on non-frontline airfields, but it shouldn’t be attacked because it will not be counted (to save cpu they are not in the log files). As before only frontline airfields should be attacked. There is text “Attack!” under it on the map in game.

• After land of every 12 paratroopers there is a text message that inform how many paratroopers landed near enemy airfield from the beginning of the mission.

• Gelenzik airfield fixed. Take off is towards sea not the mountain.

• Bug with different mission ID on the www page fixed.

• Convoys detect big rivers so they are not generated on it.

• Bigger Moscow_South map (work in progress)

• In mission list on the webpage there is description of the events after each mission. You may find there info about what was attack and destroyed, how airfields was damaged and supplied etc. It’s only in English version for now.

• The manual has been updated. If something is unclear or is missing let me know.

• Plane set as before (missing BOK planes added). Please check manual.

 

Attenction!

To fly transport mission choose bomber with text “transport” and take no bombs/rockets (it’s necessary after 3.001 update). It doesn’t concern Ju-52.

If payload are locked then you have to choose airfield and aircraft several times. It’s a bug after 3.001 update.

If you see black screen after connection to the server please wait for a while.

 

 

Good luck!

[Retrofly]

58 minutes ago, =FEW=nightrise said:

Dream big imagine 100 vs 100 

Look, I didn't want to make a mess in my trousers, ok.

[=SqSq=switch201]

4 hours ago, =LG=Kathon said:

Plane set as before (missing BOK planes added). Please check manual.

 

Hmm Maybe I mis-understood what this meant.....

Edited April 13, 2018 by =SqSq=switch201

[curiousGamblerr]

47 minutes ago, =LG=Kathon said:

Gelenzik airfield fixed. Take off is towards sea not the mountain.

 

But I like to live dangerously!

 

Thanks Kathon, looking forward to it.

[=GW=xshinel]

Wow I like this scenario based maps setting. thank you Kathon team!

[LuftManu]

Hello! La Fundación(LF) is going to be Blue, Mixed,  flying at GMT+1, 10 Pilots

Morning + Afternoon

 

This new TAW looks even better than the last ones!

Hype!

Edited April 13, 2018 by LF_ManuV

[FTC_Riksen]

Well I tried. I guess in the end it does not matter, some squadrons will always fly for the same side regardless of what the balance is. Sign up just opened and there are 11 LW squadrons for 3 VVS ones lol. Thanks to those who switch sides and keep the campaign alive otherwise it would end up with LW vs Nothing again

[=SqSq=switch201]

In that case SQSQ is def going red. Thank you Riksen for all your hard work. We will have to see how this TAW plays out this time.  I have high hopes it will be more even than it has been in the past. just give it some time for people to register.

Edited April 13, 2018 by =SqSq=switch201

[StG77_Kondor]

Excellent news Kathon! 

However, I hope that it is not too late to edit the plane list. Currently the A-20 is not available until Map #6! Looking at the rest of the planes there this is a solid 1943 planeset/scenario. However the A-20's first saw combat in Summer of 42. A-20 should be available no later than Map #4, and even as early as Map #3. 

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

18 minutes ago, StG77_Kondor said:

Excellent news Kathon! 

However, I hope that it is not too late to edit the plane list. Currently the A-20 is not available until Map #6! Looking at the rest of the planes there this is a solid 1943 planeset/scenario. However the A-20's first saw combat in Summer of 42. A-20 should be available no later than Map #4, and even as early as Map #3. 

 

The Plane setup is not completely historical, otherwise you wouldn't see the P40 on map 1 either nor would the G6 get a Mk 108 and so on.

Edited April 13, 2018 by Operation_Ivy

[StG77_Kondor]

9 minutes ago, Operation_Ivy said:

 

The Plane setup is not completely historical, otherwise you wouldn't see the P40 on map 1 either nor would the G6 get a Mk 108 and so on.

I understand that. It's also why we don't see a Ju-88 map #1. 
 

But you can't make the argument that the A-20 is game breaking, to be added to an earlier map. Whereas an F2 and 88 in Map #1 for the Reds - would be (with the current planeset the way it is). 

Edited April 13, 2018 by StG77_Kondor

[Blackhawk_FR]

What's the average duration of a map? One week? 

[Operatsiya_Ivy]

Cutting the inevitable discussion about balance / historical accuracy short, i think most agree that we play a Sim where Balance shouldn't impact historical accuracy. 

 

Therefor i don't see a point why the planeset shouldn't be accurate as well. 

[StG77_Kondor]

2 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

What's the average duration of a map? One week? 

Depends. Last time Map #1 ended in I think ~72 hours. 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

I do wish that the A-20 was available from the summer of 1942.  It would be historical and add fun for both sides I think.

Edited April 13, 2018 by 7.GShAP/Silas

[FTC_DerSheriff]

A more historical planeset has still my vote. 

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

1 hour ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Well I tried. I guess in the end it does not matter, some squadrons will always fly for the same side regardless of what the balance is. Sign up just opened and there are 11 LW squadrons for 3 VVS ones lol. Thanks to those who switch sides and keep the campaign alive otherwise it would end up with LW vs Nothing again

=BES= will likely go Red as always, but we will see what balance is like on Sunday before final decision.  Only 2 on at a time though.

[Ala13_Zetas]

4 hours ago, SCG_Riksen said:

Current line up:

 

Morning EST (GMT -4)

- BD: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- III./JG5: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- IL2AU: VVS (Mixed: 10)

 

Afternoon EST (GMT - 4)

- 1stCL: LW (Fighters: 10)

- 6./ZG26: LW (Ground Attacker: 5)

- 71stAH: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- 7.GShap: VVS (Fighters: 10)

- Ala13: VVS (Mixed: 20)

- ATAG: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- DFA: LW (Mixed: 5)

- F/JG300: LW (Mixed: 5)

- FEW: LW (Mixed: 10)

- gRij: LW (Mixed: 10)

- HR: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- Hydra: LW (Fighters: 10)

- I./JG62: LW (Fighters: 10)

- III./JG5: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- JG4: LW (Mixed: 10)

- JG77: LW (Fighters: 10)

- JGr8: LW (Mixed: 10)

- LG: VVS (Mixed: 10)

 

Evening EST (GMT -4)

- 19: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- 71stAH: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- AKA: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- BD: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- IL2AU: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- JG7: LW (Mixed: 5)

- LLv44: LW (Mixed: 5)

- SqSq: Unsure (Mixed: 10)

- LG: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- SCG: LW (Mixed: 10)

- StG77: VVS (Ground Attackers: 5)

 

* Format:

- Name: Side (Preference: Approximate number of pilots)

Note that a squadron may appear more than once in the list if their pilots fly in more than one time zone. Also remember that lone wolves and not reported squadrons (groups that did not reply to this topic) are not listed here.

 

The goal of this list is to give an overall view of the TAW balance and, hopefully, have the squadrons base their side choice taking balance into consideration. If you wish to change your side just reply in this topic and I will update it. Remember, it is always better to select a side before the campaign starts so choose it wisely now. 

The enjoyment and competitiveness of TAW campaign depends on ALL of us. 

 

- 1/JSpan: LW (Mixed: 10)

                 Afternoon EST (GMT - 4)

 

[xThrottle_Geek]

Also, would like to see it as a transport as well..

[Panezz]

On 12/4/2018 at 7:00 PM, SCG_Riksen said:

Current line up:

 

Morning EST (GMT -4)

- BD: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- III./JG5: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- IL2AU: VVS (Mixed: 10)

 

Afternoon EST (GMT - 4)

- 1stCL: LW (Fighters: 10)

- 6./ZG26: LW (Ground Attacker: 10)

- 71stAH: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- 7.GShap: VVS (Fighters: 10)

- Ala13: VVS (Mixed: 20)

- ATAG: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- DFA: LW (Mixed: 5)

- F/JG300: LW (Mixed: 5)

- FEW: LW (Mixed: 10)

- gRij: LW (Mixed: 10)

- HR: - Hydra: LW (Fighters: 10)

- III./JG5: VVS (Mixed: 30)

- JG4: LW (Mixed: 10)

- JG77: LW (Fighters: 10)

- LG: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- StG77: VVS (Ground Attackers: 10)

 

Evening EST (GMT -4)

- 19: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- 71stAH: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- AKA: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- BD: VVS (Mixed: 5)

- IL2AU: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- SqSq: Unsure (Mixed: 10)

- LG: VVS (Mixed: 10)

- SCG: LW (Mixed: 20)

 

* Format:

- Name: Side (Preference: Approximate number of pilots)

Note that a squadron may appear more than once in the list if their pilots fly in more than one time zone. Also remember that lone wolves and not reported squadrons (groups that did not reply to this topic) are not listed here.

 

The goal of this list is to give an overall view of the TAW balance and, hopefully, have the squadrons base their side choice taking balance into consideration. If you wish to change your side just reply in this topic and I will update it. Remember, it is always better to select a side before the campaign starts so choose it wisely now. 

The enjoyment and competitiveness of TAW campaign depends on ALL of us. 

IR: LW (mixed8)

[JG7_X-Man]

Looks like this of squad list of TAW combatants is a moving target LOL - are some squads and dropped or is this an issue with version control related to the most current list? 

3 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

I do wish that the A-20 was available from the summer of 1942.  It would be historical and add fun for both sides I think.

 

You cam have your A-20 if I can have my G-6 with the 30 mm cannon 

[FTC_Riksen]

The squadron list is not going to be updated anymore. It doesn't seem to matter guys, like I said, because some squadrons will always fly for the same side regardless and the campaign will start tomorrow so what is done is done. Hopefully the lonewolves and the unreported squadrons can balance the campaign so we can have a nice TAW again. I wish everyone good luck and thank the TAW team once again for putting this together for us!

 

See you in the skies

Edited April 13, 2018 by SCG_Riksen

[=BES=Senor_Jefe]

1 hour ago, SCG_Riksen said:

The squadron list is not going to be updated anymore. It doesn't seem to matter guys, like I said, because some squadrons will always fly for the same side regardless and the campaign will start tomorrow so what is done is done. Hopefully the lonewolves and the unreported squadrons can balance the campaign so we can have a nice TAW again. I wish everyone good luck and thank the TAW team once again for putting this together for us!

 

See you in the skies

Thanks for the attempt, Riksen.  I'm sure it had to help those squads who wait until now to decide which side to pick (like mine), even if it's only a few squads.

 

I was actually almost worried I'd have to fly blue!

[JG7_X-Man]

 

 

If pilot disconnects during a flight then all his AK/GK and combat missions are not counted and:

· aircraft is lost if pilot or aircraft was damaged and disconnection took place more than 5min after last damage

· aircraft is lost and AK/GK streak is reset to 0 if pilot or aircraft was damaged and disconnection took place less than 5min after last damage. Sortie result is DISCO.

Can someone explain this for me in plain English please.

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by JG7_X_Man

[evarno]

12 minutes ago, JG7_X_Man said:

 

 

If pilot disconnects during a flight then all his AK/GK and combat missions are not counted and:

· aircraft is lost if pilot or aircraft was damaged and disconnection took place more than 5min after last damage

· aircraft is lost and AK/GK streak is reset to 0 if pilot or aircraft was damaged and disconnection took place less than 5min after last damage. Sortie result is DISCO.

Can someone explain this for me in plain English please.

 

If you D/C 5 minutes after getting damage, it counts as if you died
If you D/C more than 5 minutes after damage, you keep your streak but any kills in the sortie don't count

[-SF-Disarray]

It also seems if you disco without taking damage you lose any of your kills and any combat mission you may have earned.

[Blackhawk_FR]

4 hours ago, Disarray said:

It also seems if you disco without taking damage you lose any of your kills and any combat mission you may have earned.

 

You mean your CM count is reseted to zero? No I don't think so. It just won't count as a CM. 

Edited April 14, 2018 by F/JG300_Faucon

[evarno]

1 hour ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

 

You mean your CM count is reseted to zero? No I don't think so. It just won't count as a CM. 

Correct
Nor will any kills in the sortie count
this drove me mental back when I had shitty internet 

[Retrofly]

1 hour ago, evarno said:

Correct
Nor will any kills in the sortie count
this drove me mental back when I had shitty internet 

Its  a shame but I guess it stops people getting a kill and D/C straight away afterwards.

[=LG/F=Kathon]

16 hours ago, DerSheriff said:

A more historical planeset has still my vote. 

We wanted to change the plane set but in the end decided to leave it as it was, but it's not a final set.

 

8 hours ago, JG7_X_Man said:

 

 

If pilot disconnects during a flight then all his AK/GK and combat missions are not counted and:

· aircraft is lost if pilot or aircraft was damaged and disconnection took place more than 5min after last damage

· aircraft is lost and AK/GK streak is reset to 0 if pilot or aircraft was damaged and disconnection took place less than 5min after last damage. Sortie result is DISCO.

Can someone explain this for me in plain English please.

 

Please check this table:

 

[StG77_Kondor]

4 hours ago, =LG=Kathon said:

We wanted to change the plane set but in the end decided to leave it as it was, but it's not a final set.

How does that work? If you wanted to change it, but the decided not to what is the reasoning? Is the argument really balance? Because the Peshka is better in almost every way.

[JG7_X-Man]

4 hours ago, =LG=Kathon said:

We wanted to change the plane set but in the end decided to leave it as it was, but it's not a final set.

 

Please check this table:

 

 Cool! Very fair indeed! So if you have a crappy internet connection - you better land after every sortie as fast as possible!

If you do sustain battle damage - hope you don't get disco'ed until after 5 mins.

 

Although this obviously hurts those (few) that have bad internet connections, it's the only way satisfy people (many) that want to penalize those that disco when they are in an unfavorable position. 

[=IL2AU=chappyj]

I lost a 30+ streak a couple campaigns ago because of that 

Plinked  by a tailgunner no real damage but discod 2 mins later 

[DickDong]

Any thought to creating a Tactical Air War internal forum?  Pretty big at 202 pages.