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I thought it was the Devastator.

 

He made both.

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I think that the developers will concentrate on all the Russian front battles first (as I also think that their prime consumer/customer focus is on the Russian market-hence the minimum computer specs). I for one would love the next theatre to be the mediterranean (Malta and Libya) but I dont think we will see that until years down the track they come to the top of the campaign list.

PTO would be good with carriers ans island scenarios but its a long bow to be drawn to expect that scenario to be happening any time soon.

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As Shamrock has stated -

'I think the OP is right that you could do Midway and Guadalcanal fairly well together. I'd be a little more interested in something that focused on the whole of the Solomons campaign. That could be made to work fairly well. The flights from Rabaul would be the hardest bit and again we're getting into some incredible scale issues where I'm not sure if I could be done justice.

 

But I think the real interest for me, should this sim move from the East Front at any point (and I'm quite happy to reside there for a while), would be a move to the Mediterranean. Yes it's a European planeset... but its more evenly balanced, it has incredible variety and variation, the scales of the maps don't have to be impossibly large, and its fresh. No-one has made it a focus of a WWII sim yet and I sometimes wonder why that is - it really is a theatre that has everything'

This could follow on using the alot of the planeset and the maps woild be smaller than miles of water and the difficulty of doing carrier operation any sort of graphical justice.

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Well, it's really not that different from BoM/BoS then, is it? ;) Just reverse early- and late war :biggrin:

 

 

 No it isn't that different.  And it's a bit of misnomer since the real statistics were skewed by a variety of factors IRL, that wouldn't apply in game.  Not the lease of which would be, Poorly trained Japanese replacements, loss of veterans without rotation to the home front, a Western industrial military complex capable of replacing losses before they happened, superior USN and USAAC training programs, Superior numbers, higher octane fuel....etc. etc.  NOne of those things would be in play unless map makers designed scenarios to model them.  In a game setting the Ki-84, Ki-61 (to a lesser extent), N1K2 George, and even the A6M5 stack up at LEAST as well to the F4U, F6F, and P-38 as the BoS planesets stack up.  

 

I am a huge proponent of the Pacific.  I've even gone so far as to suggest that it would be a great segway from the introduction of Lend Lease Aircraft (P-40, P-39, A-20, B-25).  You could even go so far as to introduce the Pacific by using the Nomonhan Incident, and the invasion of Manchuria as a starting point.  We'll already have the I-16 and a variant of the P-40...

 

So Pacific Plane Set

 

Allies

 

F3F/F4F (defined by weapon unlocks)

SBD-2/3

TBD Devastator

H81-A3 (Think Flying tigers/Phillipines)

A-20 (Lend Lease compatible with Eastern Front)

P-39 (Lend Lease compatible with Eastern Front)

P-40E (Already provided in BoM)

 

Premium Plane - F2A3 Buffalo (could be used in a Finnish Map one day..) or TBM 

 

 

Axis

 

A6M2

D3A Val

B5N Kate

Ki-21 Sally

G3M2 Nell

G4M1 Betty

 

Premium - Ki-43Ia Oscar

 

The one thing that would be an absolute MUST would be nailing carrier operations.  If we could do that and become THE niche simulator to really get Carrier operations down it would be a boon to the Genre, and the brand....just saying...

I think that the developers will concentrate on all the Russian front battles first (as I also think that their prime consumer/customer focus is on the Russian market-hence the minimum computer specs). I for one would love the next theatre to be the mediterranean (Malta and Libya) but I dont think we will see that until years down the track they come to the top of the campaign list.

PTO would be good with carriers ans island scenarios but its a long bow to be drawn to expect that scenario to be happening any time soon.

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As Shamrock has stated -

'I think the OP is right that you could do Midway and Guadalcanal fairly well together. I'd be a little more interested in something that focused on the whole of the Solomons campaign. That could be made to work fairly well. The flights from Rabaul would be the hardest bit and again we're getting into some incredible scale issues where I'm not sure if I could be done justice.

 

But I think the real interest for me, should this sim move from the East Front at any point (and I'm quite happy to reside there for a while), would be a move to the Mediterranean. Yes it's a European planeset... but its more evenly balanced, it has incredible variety and variation, the scales of the maps don't have to be impossibly large, and its fresh. No-one has made it a focus of a WWII sim yet and I sometimes wonder why that is - it really is a theatre that has everything'

This could follow on using the alot of the planeset and the maps woild be smaller than miles of water and the difficulty of doing carrier operation any sort of graphical justice.

 

Just think how quickly that map could be produced...Wake would be quick too...

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Probably right. Eastern Front is likely to be a focus for at least a while... especially with the titular aircraft being the IL-2 (not that it stopped Oleg's team from expanding later).

 

Not that it bothers me... Kuban, Kursk, Berlin, Kurland, The Continuation War... bring it on :D

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I would love to have the Beaufighter,P39, Spitfire and the Hurricane as available aircraft sometime soon.

Especially the Beaufighter as a counterpart to the ME110

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Probably right. Eastern Front is likely to be a focus for at least a while... especially with the titular aircraft being the IL-2 (not that it stopped Oleg's team from expanding later).

 

Not that it bothers me... Kuban, Kursk, Berlin, Kurland, The Continuation War... bring it on :D

 

I'm with you Shammy, you can't look a gifthorse in the mouth...I'd love to see the Hs-129 and the Yak-3/9, La-5F, La-5FN, La-7, DB-3, IL-4, FW-190D-9, 109G-6 plus all the eastern front maps you list, but I feel like the sooner the Devs establish a whole new theater, the better for the franchise.  The longer they stay focused on the Eastern Front the longer entire groups of simmers who state they won't buy into IL-2 because the Eastern Front doesn't interest them, the longer those potential buyers will withhold their money.

 

If they can establish a PTO or MTO theater as the 3rd Installment and ALSO progressively ADD to the already established EFTO.  They would do this by choosing new planes that can be used in multiple fronts.  I can understand their business model, and I won't fault them for sticking to it, but if the 3rd installment is BoK (Kuban or Kursk) I am afraid they will have missed the boat vis a vis broadening the brand's appeal to the wider sim community.  BoM isn't close yet, and after a 3rd installment we could be in year 3 or 4 of the franchise and not seen any other theaters.  That would be a missed opportunity in my humble opinion.

 

In fact a poll on the matter might be telling...

 

Would you rather see:

 

BoK (Kuban or Kursk)

BoP (Pacific -insert specific title here)

BoMTO (Med)

or

BoETO (Channel Front/Western Europe)

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I'm with you Shammy, you can't look a gifthorse in the mouth...I'd love to see the Hs-129 and the Yak-3/9, La-5F, La-5FN, La-7, DB-3, IL-4, FW-190D-9, 109G-6 plus all the eastern front maps you list, but I feel like the sooner the Devs establish a whole new theater, the better for the franchise.  The longer they stay focused on the Eastern Front the longer entire groups of simmers who state they won't buy into IL-2 because the Eastern Front doesn't interest them, the longer those potential buyers will withhold their money.

 

If they can establish a PTO or MTO theater as the 3rd Installment and ALSO progressively ADD to the already established EFTO.  They would do this by choosing new planes that can be used in multiple fronts.  I can understand their business model, and I won't fault them for sticking to it, but if the 3rd installment is BoK (Kuban or Kursk) I am afraid they will have missed the boat vis a vis broadening the brand's appeal to the wider sim community.  BoM isn't close yet, and after a 3rd installment we could be in year 3 or 4 of the franchise and not seen any other theaters.  That would be a missed opportunity in my humble opinion.

 

In fact a poll on the matter might be telling...

 

Would you rather see:

 

BoK (Kuban or Kursk)

BoP (Pacific -insert specific title here)

BoMTO (Med)

or

BoETO (Channel Front/Western Europe)

This is spot on. I'm not sure staying in the East will garner many more new players. Moving to new theaters for a bit would probably spark renewed interst from customers in the West. I don't mind coming back to the East but you will only be catering to a group who is already playing here. MTO will cater to those in Western Europe and the Americas. PTO will do the same and maybe add a few more Far East simmers as well.

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My biggest hope is that i see Pacific Theatre on BoS engine :) I would love to take Avenger for torpedo run, sinking carriers :) 

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things would go faster if 3d party modellers would be involved...

 

by several sources,Raiden was considered by americans as the best navy fighter,

i really love the "bomber engine fighter" concept,so as his army cousin,the SHOKI.

SHOKI4_zpsfpyj5vow.jpg

 

not as well armed as the raiden,but the best fighter in 43

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things would go faster if 3d party modellers would be involved...

Well...

Wasn't that exactly the thing that was wrong with Pacific fighters?

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i dont know,i was not interested in those things at the time,

i would say that,if 3d party models where not good,the quality control is to blame,

it is up to officials to include or not

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Wasn't that exactly the thing that was wrong with Pacific fighters?

No, adding more aircraft improved diversity. And allowed to fix some issues which were always negated by Oleg.

 

What was wrong was the ability to mess with flight models and armament, turning some servers into a one big mess full of miniguns.

 

 


Allies

 

F3F/F4F (defined by weapon unlocks)

SBD-2/3

TBD Devastator

H81-A3 (Think Flying tigers/Phillipines)

A-20 (Lend Lease compatible with Eastern Front)

P-39 (Lend Lease compatible with Eastern Front)

P-40E (Already provided in BoM)

 

Premium Plane - F2A3 Buffalo (could be used in a Finnish Map one day..) or TBM 

 

Axis

 

A6M2

D3A Val

B5N Kate

Ki-21 Sally

G3M2 Nell

G4M1 Betty

 

Premium - Ki-43Ia Oscar

 

 

That is a very early plane set, which rather limits you to 1942 scenarios. What I saw myself was good for whole 1942 up to mid 1943. 

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Well...

Wasn't that exactly the thing that was wrong with Pacific fighters?

 

I'm not sure if there was anything wrong with Pacific Fighters as such.  Ilya Shevchenko was running the dev team for it whilst Oleg could concentrate on what was to become Cliffs of Dover.

While Pacific Fighters may have lacked a certain amount of content the problem for Maddox Games was the trouble they had integrating it with Forgotten Battles. It turned out to be technically much more difficult than had been expected.  Oleg and his team had to return to IL2 to sort out these problems.

 

This is the root cause of what went wrong with Cliffs development.  Oleg's team were forced to divide their time between the development of two different sims at a vital time for both.  It was to have disastrous consequences for Maddox Games over the following five years.

 

 

As to the OP;  I'd love to see some carrier action with the DN engine and lots of the technology exists now in the RoF channel map.  The pacific theatre?

 

In my opinion the med. would be a much more suitable place at the present time.

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Sicily

 

I think Operation Husky would give us the best of all the options; a decent LW plane set, carrier operations, the Desert Airforce and a place for our upcoming 'Macchi to shine. 

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To this day, the plane set for the Pacific in original IL2 is still sadly lacking, especially for the Imperial Japanese Army.

They had a wide array of attack aircraft, NONE of which are currently modeled.

 

Not to mention the lack of naval assets for both sides.

 

 

 

I think that most players agree that the real issue is the total lack of knowledge and understanding of the Pacific War by a dev team, and home audience, whose primary focus was the Ost Front. 

 

 

Another area I'd love to see done is the air war over China.  The time span from 1937 to 1945 covers an amazing time in the development of military aircraft.

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I have flow most of attack aircraft such as Ki-51, Ki-30, Ki-102, etc. by using the mods dropped on SAS forums. But yeah, that was a member initiative.

 

Same for war in China, there were added quite a few biplanes and maps for that too. It was nice to escort Fiat BR.20 in Ki-10 and fight Curtis Hawk III biplanes. 

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Another area I'd love to see done is the air war over China. The time span from 1937 to 1945 covers an amazing time in the development of military aircraft.

This is good ... +1

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This is good ... +1

I know good old days of Il 2 passed, but still it can be fun to play - especially if you are looking for rare scenarios like Sino-Japanese war :

 

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for Raiden lovers:

 

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a handfull was indeed armed with a pair of type 5 30 mm cannon in the last days of war.i remember reading a statement in a Henry Sakaida book of one of those shooting down a B29 in one burst

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I used the wrong word... When I mentioned outgunned I meant out performed...  Certainly some of the later aircraft were better but late war stuff is no fun to fly for the Japanese is why servers empty.  I do miss the times we flew the Pacific in IL2 but it's just not as popular with some folks.

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I used the wrong word... When I mentioned outgunned I meant out performed...  Certainly some of the later aircraft were better but late war stuff is no fun to fly for the Japanese is why servers empty. 

Here you actually hit the major fault of Pacific Fighters. Wonky flight models.

 

Really, Japanese aircraft were lacking there because of wrong or outdated books used to build their flight models. In general if Japanese could get a decent service for their machines and decent fuel (not some pine root crap oil, like was used later in 1945 for N1K2-J) aircraft were capable of fighting Allies.

N1K2-J could take a fight against F6F-5 or F4U, J2M could fight P-51, Ki-84 could also do that. Ki-100 was more a reliable mount for untrained pilots than a great fighter, but also could mess. And there was Ki-61-II with good high altitude performance.  

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 No it isn't that different.  And it's a bit of misnomer since the real statistics were skewed by a variety of factors IRL, that wouldn't apply in game.  Not the lease of which would be, Poorly trained Japanese replacements, loss of veterans without rotation to the home front, a Western industrial military complex capable of replacing losses before they happened, superior USN and USAAC training programs, Superior numbers, higher octane fuel....etc. etc.  NOne of those things would be in play unless map makers designed scenarios to model them.  In a game setting the Ki-84, Ki-61 (to a lesser extent), N1K2 George, and even the A6M5 stack up at LEAST as well to the F4U, F6F, and P-38 as the BoS planesets stack up.  

 

I am a huge proponent of the Pacific.  I've even gone so far as to suggest that it would be a great segway from the introduction of Lend Lease Aircraft (P-40, P-39, A-20, B-25).  You could even go so far as to introduce the Pacific by using the Nomonhan Incident, and the invasion of Manchuria as a starting point.  We'll already have the I-16 and a variant of the P-40...

 

So Pacific Plane Set

 

Allies

 

F3F/F4F (defined by weapon unlocks)

SBD-2/3

TBD Devastator

H81-A3 (Think Flying tigers/Phillipines)

A-20 (Lend Lease compatible with Eastern Front)

P-39 (Lend Lease compatible with Eastern Front)

P-40E (Already provided in BoM)

 

Premium Plane - F2A3 Buffalo (could be used in a Finnish Map one day..) or TBM 

 

 

Axis

 

A6M2

D3A Val

B5N Kate

Ki-21 Sally

G3M2 Nell

G4M1 Betty

 

Premium - Ki-43Ia Oscar

 

The one thing that would be an absolute MUST would be nailing carrier operations.  If we could do that and become THE niche simulator to really get Carrier operations down it would be a boon to the Genre, and the brand....just saying...


 

Just think how quickly that map could be produced...Wake would be quick too...

 

I'd love to see how the DN handled naval operations, namely carrier ops. As you said, if they can nail that then this would give the sim bragging rights above all else. Granted, I imagine a long amount of time and work just to do that but it's definitely a thought.

 

 

Here you actually hit the major fault of Pacific Fighters. Wonky flight models.

 

Really, Japanese aircraft were lacking there because of wrong or outdated books used to build their flight models. In general if Japanese could get a decent service for their machines and decent fuel (not some pine root crap oil, like was used later in 1945 for N1K2-J) aircraft were capable of fighting Allies.

N1K2-J could take a fight against F6F-5 or F4U, J2M could fight P-51, Ki-84 could also do that. Ki-100 was more a reliable mount for untrained pilots than a great fighter, but also could mess. And there was Ki-61-II with good high altitude performance.  

 

I always felt the FMs in PF were a little wonky. If you've got the sources to back this up, then the PTO may not be that far off especially considering the fact the more info we can provide the devs, the better product(s) they can create.

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I would love some carrier action in this engine. If people fancy the med I'd be perfectly happy to be defending against sparvieri in a fulmar, but the pacific would be a real pull for me.

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Hmmm, my first CFS I think

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aces_of_the_Pacific

 

All I can remember is it took ages to gain altitude to die pretty quickly.

 

That was my CFS too! I actually ended up with a brief stint in 1942, eventually settling on Aces Over Europe up until European Air War for my WWII fix.

 

Anyone remember Silent Thunder: A-10 Tank Killer II? That was my "sim" of choice prior to EAW.

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I always felt the FMs in PF were a little wonky. If you've got the sources to back this up, then the PTO may not be that far off especially considering the fact the more info we can provide the devs, the better product(s) they can create.

I spent over 5 years now researching various elements of the PTO.  I'm not an engineer, rather a historian and whenever I'm not studying or working, I try to read as much as I can - just because I like it.

And yes, I have multiple sources. Starting from the flight manuals, through maintenance manuals, up to various and general documents about certain aircraft.  Personally I can say that if devs would ever consider doing the Il-2 Battle of New Guinea or similar I would be glad to provide any help :)

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That was my CFS too! I actually ended up with a brief stint in 1942, eventually settling on Aces Over Europe up until European Air War for my WWII fix.

 

Anyone remember Silent Thunder: A-10 Tank Killer II? That was my "sim" of choice prior to EAW.

I did AOE too and EAW but hit BOB hard too but got caught up with Tornado and Comanche v Hokum, what a brilliant persistent environment that was.

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No, adding more aircraft improved diversity. And allowed to fix some issues which were always negated by Oleg.

 

What was wrong was the ability to mess with flight models and armament, turning some servers into a one big mess full of miniguns.

 

 

 

 

That is a very early plane set, which rather limits you to 1942 scenarios. What I saw myself was good for whole 1942 up to mid 1943. 

 

Whoa there let's simmer down a little bit. This isn't even as early as I would suggest, but I compromised.  BoS planeset peaks (Premium a/c Excluded) in Jan '43.  If you haven't noticed installment 2 or BoM as we know it actually goes BACK in time to 41/42.  The Dev's business model to this point has shown, that they are committed to the early war stuff.  And from a logical progression standpoint I think it is a good move.  If they release a/c more or less in order it gives the players the sense they are ALSO progressing with the war.  I like this, and like Early war Time periods too.

 

An Alternative planeset, which would also compliment BoS/BoM would be...

 

Alllies 

 

H81-A3

DB-3 (Compatible with BoM/BoS)

I-15 / 153  (Compatible with BoM/BoS)

P-36

 

Premium - F2A2  (Comatible in a Finnish war scenario)

 

Axis

 

A5M4 Claude

G3M Nell

A6M2 Zero

Ki-21 Sally

 

Premium - Ki-43Ia

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When I said people don't like PTO, people lashed out on me and it was nuts. Before you use your pitchforks and torches, I am not a big fan of the ETO, I rather see P-51 vs FW-190, P-47 vs tank. The Eastern Theatre is interesting, don't get me wrong, I love the snow, but I never gotten around flying wonky VVS planes


Edit: That's why I always like flying German planes, they are clean and simple (at least to me personally) I better start buying Battle of Moscow Premium if I wanna do Fall Edition..

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Whoa there let's simmer down a little bit. This isn't even as early as I would suggest, but I compromised.  BoS planeset peaks (Premium a/c Excluded) in Jan '43.  If you haven't noticed installment 2 or BoM as we know it actually goes BACK in time to 41/42.  The Dev's business model to this point has shown, that they are committed to the early war stuff.  And from a logical progression standpoint I think it is a good move.  If they release a/c more or less in order it gives the players the sense they are ALSO progressing with the war.  I like this, and like Early war Time periods too.

 

An Alternative planeset, which would also compliment BoS/BoM would be...

(...)

I dont see the business model after making one game and working on the other one, I wouldn't jump into any assumptions.

 

Anyway, as a researcher I can tell you that the plane set going earlier and earlier in time is harder to make from the Japanese position as Americans were not really interested in aircraft like Ki-27, Ki-21 or A5M4 considering them as obsolete. There is far less material for them preserved to this date. Some data were destroyed by Japanese before Allies could reach the archives, and what was left ... was not interesting for Allies. 

On the other hand there can be found quite a bit for aircraft like Ki-61 or D4Y1, especially as both were powered by DB-601 (or rather Japanese modifications of it) which we will see in BoM too - in form of Mc.202 and Bf-109E. 

For the Zeros there a lot of data, including NACA test reports, Japanese manuals and multiple other minor documents focusing on various elements.

And of course 3 Zeros flying there - Flying Legends A6M2, Planes of Fame A6M5 and someone also has the A6M3 model 22.

 

So something that covers 1942 and 1943 is the best option in regard to available data. Any later events are getting messed because of deteriorating quality of Japanese production, fuels, components, etc. Researching Homare engine which powered N1K2-J, Ki-84, P1Y, B7A and quite a few other late war Japanese aircraft was a real problem. 

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When I said people don't like PTO, people lashed out on me and it was nuts. Before you use your pitchforks and torches, I am not a big fan of the ETO, I rather see P-51 vs FW-190, P-47 vs tank. The Eastern Theatre is interesting, don't get me wrong, I love the snow, but I never gotten around flying wonky VVS planes

Edit: That's why I always like flying German planes, they are clean and simple (at least to me personally) I better start buying Battle of Moscow Premium if I wanna do Fall Edition..

 

 

People do like the Pacific war, and of all the theaters done in the last 15 years, it's only been done once.  IL-2 Pacific Fighters.  And as good as that was it had it's flaws, notably the absence of an F6F that could outperform the A6M5, and the lack of a superior Carrier Operations Model.

 

Any Pacific War Sim MUST tackle the carrier Ops piece as with out a proper sim of that environment, it leaves things feeling lifeless and flat.

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Speaking of wonky fm's in IL2 PF, the Ki-61 was always a disappointing ride; slow and bled energy like mad when turning.

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I dont see the business model after making one game and working on the other one, I wouldn't jump into any assumptions.

 

Anyway, as a researcher I can tell you that the plane set going earlier and earlier in time is harder to make from the Japanese position as Americans were not really interested in aircraft like Ki-27, Ki-21 or A5M4 considering them as obsolete. There is far less material for them preserved to this date. Some data were destroyed by Japanese before Allies could reach the archives, and what was left ... was not interesting for Allies. 

On the other hand there can be found quite a bit for aircraft like Ki-61 or D4Y1, especially as both were powered by DB-601 (or rather Japanese modifications of it) which we will see in BoM too - in form of Mc.202 and Bf-109E. 

For the Zeros there a lot of data, including NACA test reports, Japanese manuals and multiple other minor documents focusing on various elements.

And of course 3 Zeros flying there - Flying Legends A6M2, Planes of Fame A6M5 and someone also has the A6M3 model 22.

 

So something that covers 1942 and 1943 is the best option in regard to available data. Any later events are getting messed because of deteriorating quality of Japanese production, fuels, components, etc. Researching Homare engine which powered N1K2-J, Ki-84, P1Y, B7A and quite a few other late war Japanese aircraft was a real problem. 

 

Well, if I were trendspotting and had the two data points that we have today, the 3rd installment would be Battle of Poland.  But I am not jumping to any conclusions....

 

Anyway, as a researcher I can tell YOU that anything is possible.  If 777 can model WWI aircraft, they can model the Nate, Sally, and Claude.  In the end regardless of the fidelity of the model, much like IL-2 1946, there will be someone there who wasn't in the ring to point out how flawed it is.  If I've learned one thing from my time in the IL-2 world, it's that you'll never make EVERYONE happy, even less so those whose only experience comes from reading a book.

 

The reason I proposed the earlier Planesets is that a smart business man would want to target new content to be overlapping with existing content.  If this is done, a plausible wider world begins to develop where aircraft already modeled fold, at least partially, and neatly into the new installment while the new installment also brings a new theater desired by those itching to try BoS, but may be put off by the Eastern Front, as well as new aircraft.  Just think of all those Brits out there who are itching to get in their Fulmars and gladiator, I bet the have mounds of pounds literally burning a hole in their pockets.  All they need is a little 1CGS love...

 

     The alternative as you suggest, while I would absolutely have it if they offered, would be to throw out a 1942-1943 Pacific planeset that has no cross-installment relevance in aircraft and cannot be used to add additional content to the previous installments.  This is a poor tack in my humble opinion.  To THIS point, the Devs HAVE demonstrated that they intend to do so.  I hope this continues, as it implies they are building something larger than a couple episodic installments with no connection between them.

 

So something like this

 

Installment I : Battle of Stalingrad                Summer 1942 - Early Winter 1943

Installment II : Battle of Moscow                  Fall 1941 - Early Winter 1942

Installment III : Battle of Port Moresby          Winter 1942 - Summer 1943 (includes Coral Sea)

Installment IV : Battle of Malta                     Summer 1940 - Fall 1942   (Leverages a robust Carrier operations model from Inst III)

Installment V : Battle of the Channel Front    Fall 1940 - Winter 1943  

Installment XXXX  and so on....

 

In the meantime, maps and Aircraft that are more specific to the individual installments should be released as teasers or to help fill out the roster of aircraft in each theater.  I think adding new content (maps, variants, mods, Objects, SHIPS!) SEPARATE from major installment releases is an absolute must, either as premium content or free to all depending on the community landscape at the time.  This would included field mods, and variants that didn't get serviced in unlocks.

 

Unfortunately I haven't seen any word from the Devs on whether this is something they intend to do.  One can only hope....

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Speaking of wonky fm's in IL2 PF, the Ki-61 was always a disappointing ride; slow and bled energy like mad when turning.

 

That is because it was on average 20-40 km/h slower than should be. It was also quickly loosing the performance with the altitude increase, above 4700 m there is nothing that matches the historical data. In fact at 7000 meters it was about 70 km/h slower than the official documents indicate.

The climb rate was about 2-4 m/s lower than documents indicate. It had ridiculously high maximum (or best) turn time, something like 21 seconds. When in reality the turn capabilities were similar to FM-2 (Wildcat), as it was designed to have a highest possible speed and have a good maneuverability.  

 

Indeed it was one of the most disappointing aircraft out there.

 

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Unfortunately I haven't seen any word from the Devs on whether this is something they intend to do.  One can only hope....

I think you should calm down a bit. Its just a friendly talk of what may happen and what each of us would like to see. I respect anyone choices, however if I do not agree I usually try to argue politely :) 

 

If you however want to have a realistic flight models than real data are necessary, you cant really just guess on unique things as airfoils and propellers. It's just too complicated. In War Thunder I saw number guessing and then you know where opinion about their FM's comes.

 

Anyway, whatever will happen - either Med or especially PTO I will be happy. Peace.

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That is because it was on average 20-40 km/h slower than should be. It was also quickly loosing the performance with the altitude increase, above 4700 m there is nothing that matches the historical data. In fact at 7000 meters it was about 70 km/h slower than the official documents indicate.

The climb rate was about 2-4 m/s lower than documents indicate. It had ridiculously high maximum (or best) turn time, something like 21 seconds. When in reality the turn capabilities were similar to FM-2 (Wildcat), as it was designed to have a highest possible speed and have a good maneuverability.  

 

Indeed it was one of the most disappointing aircraft out there.

 

I think you should calm down a bit. Its just a friendly talk of what may happen and what each of us would like to see. I respect anyone choices, however if I do not agree I usually try to argue politely :)

 

If you however want to have a realistic flight models than real data are necessary, you cant really just guess on unique things as airfoils and propellers. It's just too complicated. In War Thunder I saw number guessing and then you know where opinion about their FM's comes.

 

Anyway, whatever will happen - either Med or especially PTO I will be happy. Peace.

 

Calm?  What did I say that led you to think I was anything but calm?   Seriously... lol

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