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I'll pre order within a few weeks, when my visa count resets, it's a promise.

 

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A bit later than forseen due to unexpected private costs but here we go, I'm on board, bought.

 

Now, where's my BOM tag?

 

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I still fly RoF way more than I do BoS, but yeah, I'm on board too.

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Remember to activate the key.

Thanks for the advice, done.

 

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I still fly RoF way more than I do BoS, but yeah, I'm on board too.

Same here.

 

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And at the end of the race i've bought BoM!  Key activated!  ;)  But i don't see any topic in the BoM early access section... :(

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I believe that will start once we get to test fly the new aircraft.

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Just gave in >.< haha, got some birthday money (Am now 20 and have hit my quarter life crisis  :wacko: ) so finally pre-ordered BOM. 

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Just gave in >.< haha, got some birthday money (Am now 20 and have hit my quarter life crisis  :wacko: ) so finally pre-ordered BOM. 

 

Hah, I bought it with Birthday money as well  :)

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Just gave in >.< haha, got some birthday money (Am now 20 and have hit my quarter life crisis  :wacko: ) so finally pre-ordered BOM. 

Brace for the impact when HALF life comes

Jesus, 20 years

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From the moscow skins section, the 109e and i16 has been locked. So i guess that they are first up in the queue. Great. The 109e7 engine management can anybody please tell me what is automated and what manual. Rpm/mixture/radiators (water, oil?)

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iirc the Emil version we'll get in BoM had the automated option for all (rad/rpm/mix)

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From the moscow skins section, the 109e and i16 has been locked. So i guess that they are first up in the queue. Great. The 109e7 engine management can anybody please tell me what is automated and what manual. Rpm/mixture/radiators (water, oil?)

 

E7 is fully automated 

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From the moscow skins section, the 109e and i16 has been locked. So i guess that they are first up in the queue.

I don't think it means that. From the start we might not even get more than 2-3 skins for each Early Access plane.

 

The reason the threads were locked is simply, as Zak stated when he locked them, that the devs have gotten all the inspiration they need and have settled on 10 skins they want to make for that particular plane.

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just out of curiosity will there be a complete and Full offline campaign this time like in IL-2 1946?? I mean bot like Stalingrad what a disappointment that was :( Since I not play online but only offline it's crucial for me to have a full Campaign otherwise it's a waste of money for me . Although I love this game since the 1th release many many years ago.

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just out of curiosity will there be a complete and Full offline campaign this time like in IL-2 1946?? I mean bot like Stalingrad what a disappointment that was :( Since I not play online but only offline it's crucial for me to have a full Campaign otherwise it's a waste of money for me . Although I love this game since the 1th release many many years ago.

The answer is no I'm afraid, it has been stated by the devs that BoM will have the exact same so called type of campaign as BoS, meaning basically just a random mission generator.

 

Mick. :(

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So there is no real online community with simple online access as with hyperlobby and there is no real offline playing possible either. What had the devs in mind with BOS? The game somehow feels kind of dead to me.

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The answer is no I'm afraid, it has been stated by the devs that BoM will have the exact same so called type of campaign as BoS, meaning basically just a random mission generator.

 

Mick. :(

 That is to bad :( I love this game but I'm not going to buy it then :( For me the concept is worthless as it is atm. I bought Stalingrad and played maybe 3 hours offline and it felt like I did a 3 hour replay of the 1th mission.. so why pay another stiff  79,99 Dollar, If these Dev's only think about the online community?

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How will BoM content be handled in multiplayer with BoS players?  Will the online community be divided between BoS players, BoM players, and BoS+BoM players? Or would I be able to fly with someone who only has BoS, just they would not be able to chose to fly the planes they do not own?

 

Also, how will the early access work as far as content?  I greatly enjoyed BoS early access, checking for Friday updates and trying new aircraft as they were released to early access.  Will the new BoM aircraft just be added to my existing BoS installation or will the BoM early access be a separate install until release?

 

I would very much like to pre-order (especially if support for BoM would mean a possible expansion in the future), but I'm on the fence.  I haven't had much time to fly, and am just now going through the single player campaign, but I'm finding it quite boring.  In the 6 missions I did with the BF109F4, 4 of them were exactly the same - Intercept two IL2s with one Lagg3 escort, then watch two BF019G2s shoot down a lone Yak on the way back to base.  The same exact thing happened in all 4 missions.  In the other two, there were three IL2s with two Lagg3s as escort.  I was also disappointed to earn no XP for damaging enemy aircraft when on a ground attack mission in the BF109F4.  The combination of doing the same thing multiple times and earning no credit for actions during the mission have lead to feeling the campaign is a grind rather than a feature.  I am eagerly awaiting news of the possible changes to the campaign system.

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How will BoM content be handled in multiplayer with BoS players?  Will the online community be divided between BoS players, BoM players, and BoS+BoM players? Or would I be able to fly with someone who only has BoS, just they would not be able to chose to fly the planes they do not own?

 

BoS and BoM are the same game. Your account will unlock the content you buy. You'll have all the game on your harddrive. So if you buy only BoM (on your hard drive you'll have both content BoS + BoM), but your account will give you access only to the content you buy.

 

If you go in multiplayer, with a friend who have BoS, you'll see the same game, and can join it. The limitation will be by the mission builder and the planeset he choose.

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Thank you, Habu!  That is the way I was hoping it would work.

 

For multiplayer, just to be clear, if I have BoS+BoM and someone else has BoS, we can still play multiplayer (great!)  - but can the BoS player play a mission that has BoM aircraft in it (just not pilot any of the BoM aircraft)?  Or will each mission only allow either BoS, BoM, or BoS+BoM players to join?

 

So for an example, say a multiplayer mission has a BF109F4 and a BF110 as flyable.  Would a player that only has BoS be able to join the mission, but only select the BF109F4?

 

Thanks, again!

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Does it not already work like that in respect to selecting a BF109 f4 against an La-5 if the Bf 109 player does not own the La-5?

 

Not quite the same scenario but similar..hope there will be some Dev clarification on this soon to end speculation :)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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Does it not already work like that in respect to selecting a BF109 f4 against an La-5 if the Bf 109 player does not own the La-5?

 

Not quite the same scenario but similar..hope there will be some Dev clarification on this soon to end speculation :)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

I think they already answered this and said the same as you

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Perhaps but there are some things that need clarification, the principle above works because even if I don't 'own' the La-5 I have it on my hard drive, it is just unusable as a player A/C

 

I assume the BoM aircraft will also have to reside on our machines also even though we (if not purchased) cannot pilot them, maybe I am overthinking things ;)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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Perhaps but there are some things that need clarification, the principle above works because even if I don't 'own' the La-5 I have it on my hard drive, it is just unusable as a player A/C

 

I assume the BoM aircraft will also have to reside on our machines also even though we (if not purchased) cannot pilot them, maybe I am overthinking things ;)

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Yeh I agree, someone asked the question "IF I only have BOS and people are flying BOM aircraft on a BOS map will I be able to play?"

 

Zak did reply with what I think was a yes but I wasn't 100% clear about it myself. This also begs the question that if you can see a Mig 3 but only own BOS will you be able to fly against them on QMB and other questions....

 

Now you've got me confused as well  :wacko:

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I'm almost certain that you'll be able to fight against BoM aircraft even if you don't own it.  However, that probably won't be true during early access.

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Thank you, Habu!  That is the way I was hoping it would work.

 

For multiplayer, just to be clear, if I have BoS+BoM and someone else has BoS, we can still play multiplayer (great!)  - but can the BoS player play a mission that has BoM aircraft in it (just not pilot any of the BoM aircraft)?  Or will each mission only allow either BoS, BoM, or BoS+BoM players to join?

 

So for an example, say a multiplayer mission has a BF109F4 and a BF110 as flyable.  Would a player that only has BoS be able to join the mission, but only select the BF109F4?

 

Thanks, again!

OK

 

Player A has BoS+BoM regular version which mean he has access to planes :

LaGG-3 (series 29) / Yak-1 (series 69) / IL-2 AM-38 / He 111 H-6 / Bf 109 F-4 / Bf 109 G-2 / Ju 87 D-3 / Pe-2 (series 87) I-16 Type 24 / MiG-3 / IL-2 model 1941 / Pe-2 Series 35 / Bf 110 E-2 / Ju 88 A-4 / Bf 109 E-7 / Bf 109 F-2

 

 

Player B has only BoM Premium which mean he has acces to planes :

I-16 Type 24 / MiG-3 / IL-2 model 1941 / Pe-2 Series 35 / Bf 110 E-2 / Ju 88 A-4 / Bf 109 E-7 / Bf 109 F-2 / P-40 E-1 / MC.202 Series VIII

 

Player C build a mission with planes : Bf 109 F-4 / He 111 H-6 / P-40 E-1 / I-16 Type 24

 

 

Player A and B will run their game go in multiplayer and see the Mission from Player C. They can join the mission and :

 

Player A could fly with : Bf 109 F-4 / He 111 H-6 / I-16 Type 24

 

Player B could fly with : P-40 E-1 / I-16 Type 24

 

The limitation is only you account. If Player A go on the PC of Player B, and log with his credentials, he will fly only with plane avaliable for his account, even if he's playing on the PC of Player B who has only BoM. When you wil be on the map, and select the airfield, you 'll see planset link to that airfield. Everyplane you are not allowed to fly (according to your account) will be grey.

 

 

BoS and Bom will work like regular version and premium version of Bos. As you can see, each version can join the same game and play together, as long as there is a flying plane in the mission that your account allow.

 

That choice from the dev (it's not new, RoF works that way) means that even if you choose to buy just one product, you don't split the comunity, because everyone can play together (again according to the planset).

 

 

So the next question will be with IA, i know some of you will ask. ;)

 

Lets take the same exemple as above.

Player C build his mission with an IA flight of P40 E-1. As i said Player A has not the P40 as a flying plane (he has only regular version from BoS and BoM), but he has both content (BoS and BoM) on his hard drive. So, Player A can't fly in a P40 E-1, but he could fly a mission with IA P40, and he will see them in the mission.

 

And if it's like in RoF, player that don't bombers can fly the mission as a gunner of the bomber. They can't be the pilote, but can be the gunner of a friend, or anybody. But that things need to be confirm by dev. That's the way it works for Rof, i will be surprised if it was not the same in BoS, but without confirmation, i can't affirm it.

 

I hope it's clear. Sorry for my bad english and ask if you need further information.

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The reason it works well in RoF is that everyone has all A/C installed on their computer, just with different access levels

 

I can only imagine that BoS/BoM will have to work in the same way...a merged install of BoS/BoM with access to fly which ever parts you have purchased

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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Just buy BoS and BoM and you are good to go without any doubts.There is allready second discount sale running.No reason to sit on the fence :)

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I don't think the worrisome question is the aircraft (RoF answers that question, you will be able to mix and match plane sets).  The question is maps.  I doubt that BoS only owners will get to fly on BoM maps.  If you look to RoF, when players didn't have the channel map, they couldn't play online in servers that were using the channel map.  I bet it will be the same here.

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I don't think the worrisome question is the aircraft (RoF answers that question, you will be able to mix and match plane sets).  The question is maps.  I doubt that BoS only owners will get to fly on BoM maps.  If you look to RoF, when players didn't have the channel map, they couldn't play online in servers that were using the channel map.  I bet it will be the same here.

I think that is really the only real problem with the way the expansions are released. A lot of people cannot afford to buy every expansion in order to ensure that they can play online in the popular severs. I think that for multiplayer people should not be limited what maps they can fly on. I.e. if you don't buy BoM expansion you should still be able to join a server running this map. However, you will not be able to fly BoM expansion planes unless of course you own the expansion. 

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I think that is really the only real problem with the way the expansions are released. A lot of people cannot afford to buy every expansion in order to ensure that they can play online in the popular severs. I think that for multiplayer people should not be limited what maps they can fly on. I.e. if you don't buy BoM expansion you should still be able to join a server running this map. However, you will not be able to fly BoM expansion planes unless of course you own the expansion. 

 

Totally understand this viewpoint, and in a perfect world it would be so, but it never worked in original IL-2 like that, and original IL-2 was no cheaper than what we have today...

 

Cheers Dakpilot

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You want to fly in Battle of Moscow? Then buy BoM.Simple as that.No need for speculations or complicated workarounds for devs.Dont have money? Well,start saving.Or find a better job.This is up to you guys,not devs.Dont tell me that even student cant save 10 euros a month to buy BoM in future discount sale for +/- 30€.Sorry to sound harsh,but this neverending "its too expensive" agenda is considered as whining by me.

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I agree with your point, even if it is a bit blunt, :) However I think the only concern is for new players, who are new to BoS/BoM only buying the new game BoM and how they are able to interact with those who have not yet purchased BoM

 

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I don't think the worrisome question is the aircraft (RoF answers that question, you will be able to mix and match plane sets). The question is maps. I doubt that BoS only owners will get to fly on BoM maps. If you look to RoF, when players didn't have the channel map, they couldn't play online in servers that were using the channel map. I bet it will be the same here.

Yet the russian map that came with the Ilya Morumets package is not locked for guys who didnt buy it. This question will probably remain open until release but personally I think they keep it bound to BoM licenses.

 

BoM aircraft will be able to meet with BoS players without BoM license. The question is on which maps.

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You want to fly in Battle of Moscow? Then buy BoM.Simple as that.No need for speculations or complicated workarounds for devs.Dont have money? Well,start saving.Or find a better job.This is up to you guys,not devs.Dont tell me that even student cant save 10 euros a month to buy BoM in future discount sale for +/- 30€.Sorry to sound harsh,but this neverending "its too expensive" agenda is considered as whining by me.

Forgive me for taking this statement personal, but I was diagnosed Hodgkin Disease after college before I could obtain a job that provided proper health benefits. Now on top of tens of thousands of dollars in student loans, I now have tens of thousands of dollars medical debt on top of it. Can I save up money to purchase a BoS expansion that interests me? Of course I will, and you won't hear me complain about the price either. However, do I want to spend $60 to buy a plane-set and campaign that does not interest me enough to justify spending that money I could really use elsewhere, just so I have access to that map so I can still join popular MP servers? My point was that it may turn away new players who are coming from primarily online games like WT and are looking for a higher fidelity sim experience. New people looking into this sim aren't going to buy every expansion right from the start, and people looking to play online will not buy the game if they can't play online when the popular servers are running maps they don't own. The online community is fairly small right now and I think we would all like to see it grow as much as possible. I love BoS, and am very happy to have spent the money I have on this sim so far. That doesn't mean that I, or anyone else, can just buy everything they put out for the sake of having it. Or I guess we could all just get better jobs so we don't have to worry about making any financial decisions? Where do you work and are they hiring? If only things were this simple. I don't mean to come at you personally Brano, but I had to say something. I hope this offers a different perspective.

 

back on topic.

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I still fly RoF way more than I do BoS, but yeah, I'm on board too.

Ditto :mellow: .

 

In my case, I think it doesn't really have something to do with anything other than simply me hooking on WW1 thing.

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I jumped in head first and pre-ordered BOM Premium... I'm so happy!!!

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