Stab/ZG26-Sashke Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 I'm glad about this news. I ask my self a questionm Would it not be better to make a later planeset ,,,, i flew only 109 and 190 and in bos1942 the russian planes are not as powerfull as the germans. So its a littlebit unfair for the ballance. I you would make a later planeset , the difference between both sides would degrese. But bow the difference will be bigger. 2. Premium planes like fw190 and la 5 will be useless in 1941 if you would make a later planeset, we still could use them. In 1943 we couald still use the premium planes , and the russians would get better planes for a fair dogfight
FlyingNutcase Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Maybe. While we're on the subject, I can't believe BoS didn't have any jokes about Uranus. And who exactly are you talking to with that statement? Anyway, namewise I'd go for "IL2: Advance on Moscow" (credit: Feathered) if it were to be outside the "Battle of" pattern, which might just be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole in some cases, like this one.
Feathered_IV Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 I love the extra challenge of flying the underdog types. I'm really pleased the game is exploring some of the more interesting stages in the air war. This relentless pursuit of "balance" just strips all the character out of the game.
unreasonable Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Just as long as it is not Battle Under Moscow Skies. 1
Feathered_IV Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 And who exactly are you talking to with that statement? Example: Russian soldier limping down the street... Woman: Oh you poor dear! Were you shot in Uranus? Soldier: No, I took some shrapnel to the knee. That sort of thing. 7
Veteran66 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The team has never been fans of building entire metropolises. I don't blame them. We take flak for that, but it takes an enormous amount of resources and time and is not fun for our engine to render. It's not my call on how this is done and since I haven't spoken to Loft about it I don't now what exactly he has planned. I know the basic history that Moscow was bombed and the ground war got pretty close. Original IL-2 didn't include a map with Moscow on it and the ROF map doesn't have Paris on it either. I'm pretty sure the guys will focus on the frontier that leads up to Moscow where the majority of the air and ground war took place. The Battle of Moscow is not my personal favorite spot on the Eastern Front, but the plane set is cool which opens up other potential scenarios elsewhere. The whole Barbarossa time period was a route for the most part, but the desperate nature of the early battles on the Soviet side are interesting to me. What will be fun to see is how the nimble I-16 fights the 109. It's been my experience that us simmers always fall back into turn fights even though we shouldn't if in a faster, superior plane like the 109. I bet some LW pilots online will try to turn fight with the beer can and pay a price. It would be great to be able to build all theaters with all major big cities, but the team is forced to operate with the budget, time and resources they have. Jason I don't know when the P-40 will be available. it might be the last one ready, that's up to the team. We have a good amount of references to build her as you'll see next week. I'm keen to have it be an accurately modeled pane for obvious reasons. There seems to be a historical question as to the availability of WEP in the P-40 during the war. It adds a decent boost, but the original documents we have seem to not mention it was available. This is one of the dilemmas we face when we research stuff. Jason make a compromise 1: 1 for all important buildings like industrial (targets) and historic buildings 1: 2 or 1: 3 for all residential area. Thus, the city is not too big but all important building can be found in bomb run missions.
Livai Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 The team has never been fans of building entire metropolises. I don't blame them. We take flak for that, but it takes an enormous amount of resources and time and is not fun for our engine to render. It's not my call on how this is done and since I haven't spoken to Loft about it I don't now what exactly he has planned. I know the basic history that Moscow was bombed and the ground war got pretty close. It would be great to be able to build all theaters with all major big cities, but the team is forced to operate with the budget, time and resources they have. I remember how Loft said in a video take a closer look at the train station from Stalingrad. Its like if you play Red Orchestra 2 but on a much bigger map. I think for BoM we can expect the same detail like we get in Stalingrad. There seems to be a historical question as to the availability of WEP in the P-40 during the war. It adds a decent boost, but the original documents we have seem to not mention it was available. This is one of the dilemmas we face when we research stuff. Here is maybe the historical answer for the availability http://survincity.com/2012/02/russian-fighter-aces-on-the-lend-lease-part-2/ There is a lot more information inside. Here only a short example and a single part from the whole source: Moscow, December 1941 (Tomahawk IIA P-40B # AH-965 (died on the Tomahawk IIB P-40C # AK-325)). Or here http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/ Type IIB Tomahawks, including AN965, 966, 971, and 977; AK252, 257, 264, 325, and 341; and AN469, 471, 488, and 507).
Geralt Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Does "Battle of Moscow" mean a completely new flightsim that doesent merge with "IL2-Battle of Stalingrad" ? Is it no continuation like it was in the old days of the original IL2 flightsim where "ForgottenBattles", "Pacific Fighters" etc. ... all merged into the one IL2 flightsim ? Would be somehow annoying if I had to install another flightsim on my pc that has nothing to do with the IL2 I have already instead of merging the new scenario (Battle of Moscow) just with IL2-BOS ... How is this to be understood ? Answer would be appreciated ...
Nil Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Just as long as it is not Battle Under Moscow Skies. I want to fly IL-2 BUMS! If I wouldn't be so happy with the planeset, I'd whine about BoM as it's almost to early planes/era. The day IL-2 BoB comes out I give up.. there are so many more interesting areas that haven't been exploited to death already 1
Saurer Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Does "Battle of Moscow" mean a completely new flightsim that doesent merge with "IL2-Battle of Stalingrad" ? Is it no continuation like it was in the old days of the original IL2 flightsim where "ForgottenBattles", "Pacific Fighters" etc. ... all merged into the one IL2 flightsim ? Would be somehow annoying if I had to install another flightsim on my pc that has nothing to do with the IL2 I have already instead of merging the new scenario (Battle of Moscow) just with IL2-BOS ... How is this to be understood ? Answer would be appreciated ... It will be usable as an extention or as stand alone http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14556-developer-diary-part-88-discussion/?p=231377
Nil Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Does "Battle of Moscow" mean a completely new flightsim that doesent merge with "IL2-Battle of Stalingrad" ? Is it no continuation like it was in the old days of the original IL2 flightsim where "ForgottenBattles", "Pacific Fighters" etc. ... all merged into the one IL2 flightsim ? Would be somehow annoying if I had to install another flightsim on my pc that has nothing to do with the IL2 I have already instead of merging the new scenario (Battle of Moscow) just with IL2-BOS ... How is this to be understood ? Answer would be appreciated ... Standalone or integrated with BoS (like the old pacific fighters for original Il-2)
MelbourneFL Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Sounds like a very good product...interesting scenario and nice plane set...but there still is one thing that will decide buy or no buy for me: the campaign. Please make a good single player campaign and I'll very happily buy BOM. To be honest I love flying in BOS but I don't play it anymore because the campaign is just bad and uninspired. So there would be no reason for me to buy BOM if the campaign does not get improved...because I wouldn't fly it very much. You have already done it with ROF...so just take that and improve some aspects of it (like mission generation and AI). Make it feel alive...almost like role playing a WW2 pilot. In that context even the unlock system could be modified to make sense because I would guess only senior pilots were allowed to remove headrests etc. It even could be a little like squadron management. Imagine you chose to remove the headrest on just one fighter and this plane gets damaged...then the next sortie you have to fly with headrest. Making modifications takes time and some might be irreversible. Please...I really want this to be good and further support you so that maybe sometime in the future we will have same plane set like the old IL2. And I would willingly pay ~$50 for each scenario... Alexander 2
Bearcat Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Honestly, I really disagree with you that this is a bad design choice. Anyone with historical knowledge will know that the city of Moscow itself was on the periphery of the action, unlike Stalingrad. You say yourself about preferring resources to be spent on other things such as FMs, and Jason mentions the performance hit from rendering all the buildings - and presumably Moscow is a much bigger city than Stalingrad. Original il-2 Moscow map did not model the city. And I wouldn't want to see a half done BAD model of Moscow. COD included London on their map, but I thought it was a disappointing and unconvincing effort overall. A lot of effort was spent modelling famous individual buildings to a high standard, but the integration into a believable representation of the city just wasn't there - and for enormous effort and I'm sure a huge resource hit when playing. Considering what Jason said about rendering cities I think that slightly altering the name would be the most painless decision. The original IL2 probably did not render the city for the same reasons.. Like you I too would rather not see the city at all if it was a choice between a gutted city, a stutter fest or a smooth running experience like we have now.. Also I am thinking that since it will be the same engine as RoF that this will be more like RoF than IL2 in that in the original IL2 while PF was capable of being used as a standalone or an add on the two versions were isolated and not compatible.. A person with a merged FB/PF could not host a mission that a stand alone PF user could join.. I am thinking that with BoS/BoM it will be different and someone with a merged version will be able to host a mission that someone with the stand alone version of either could join as long as the host was hosting with the map that they have and only the planes that they have wil be available to them.. Is that correct? 1
Uufflakke Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Considering what Jason said about rendering cities I think that slightly altering the name would be the most painless decision. The original IL2 probably did not render the city for the same reasons.. Like you I too would rather not see the city at all if it was a choice between a gutted city, a stutter fest or a smooth running experience like we have now.. In case Moscow will nót be added due to perfomance reasons/budget etc. then altering its title is recommended. Road to Moscow, Heading for Moscow, At the Gates of Moscow. Whatever. If not it is quite confusing or might be seen as misleading. Which will lead to another flame war. BOS - Battle of Stalingrad - The city of Stalingrad is included in the game. BOM - Battle of Moscow - The city of Moscow is nót included in the game. I personally hope Moscow will be rendered on the BOM map. Even if the Kremlin and other landmarks does not have a damage model and stay intact after bombing. (Like the Reichstag on the Berlin map in IL2:1946) 2
Phantom-103 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 How about "Destination Moscow"? **I do appreciate the honest replies here from The Development staff,something not found on other sim/gaming sites.** Thanks
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Or the 'Battle everywhere around Moscow'
ST_ami7b5 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) And the winner is........... "Beware of Moscow" - BoM Edited February 16, 2015 by ST_ami7b5
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 In case Moscow will nót be added due to perfomance political reasons/budget etc. then altering its title is recommended. -snip- 1
StG77_Kondor Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 But apparently we will be able to use the D-3 from BOS. Would the D-3 be to powerful to be used insteadl? I don't know the Stuka types appared to well? The D-3 did not see widespread use until mid/late 1942.
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 But you got to wonder how hard it was to unass this palne in a hurry .... Chief
BlitzPig_EL Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Back to War Emergency Power on the P 40 E. I should know this, but I am scratching my head over it. First off, what the USAAF called WEP or War Emergency Power, is not a form of water/methanol injection, or increased boost pressure from the supercharger. It is simply running the engine at manifold pressures higher than the rated "Military" power setting. What in the old IL2 was 110% power. As an example, if your V 1710's military power setting was say, 45 inches of mercury manifold pressure @ 3000rpm, then War Emergency Power might be 50 inches of manifold at the same rpm. This would be attained by simply pushing the throttle past a stop or "breaking the wire' which was literally a piece of safety wire strung across the throttle quadrant. I don't see any references for it for the Hawk 81 series, but do see it for some Hawk 87s, especially later N models, but there are some references to it for the E model. It may depend on the block number. I'll dig a little deeper tonight and report back. 1
6./ZG26_Custard Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 But you got to wonder how hard it was to unass this palne in a hurry .... Chief At least the first-aid kit seems easy to reach!
ST_ami7b5 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) After some hints (Loft, Jason) BoM maybe won't feature Moscow itself (??), I re-consider my initial urge to pre-order (because of all those planes I love). Seems I'll just wait to see what's up. Edited February 16, 2015 by ST_ami7b5
Jason_Williams Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Guys, Please relax. 1. We're not changing the name. 2. Stop posting P-39 info in this thread. Thanks! Jason 2
rolikiraly Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Well than it is a good thing I didn't say that! What I said was the price of the game is nothing compare to the price of the hardware.. I know, I hate the IRS forms to that ask me if I am white, black, native, other.. I just always leave that blank, but what does that have to do with my post? Must be my English that's a bit rusty these days to say the least But it seemed like you were speaking of 'types' that you don't care about. Anyway, i think we are going nowhere with this, we might as well stop it right now
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Must be my English that's a bit rusty these days to say the least Agreed.. In light of the fact that first you took what I said out of context, next you put words into my mouth which all lead up to you saying you don't like me because I defined a type of flight simmer that I don't care for.
rolikiraly Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 that 'don't like' bit was only meant to be a joke, i rarely decide to like or not to like someone judging by 1 or 2 forum posts
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 That is good to hear, but I agree with your assessment, in light of the out of context and word smithing on your part, this will go nowhere.. Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions and thus spare this thread
Brano Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Loft said there will be Moscow on the map.Only we are not able to bomb it = most probable explanation is that buildings will be indestructible.Same idea as with Stalingrad,where we got allready bombed city as kind of "large multiobject city scenery".To have a feeling you fly over Stalingrad but you cant destroy every single house or wall. But go on with conspiracies,it is fun to read
Elem Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 OK, so it's all wonderful news, but am I missing something? I have the Premium edition but all the locks as still in place. How do I unlock all weapons and skins then?
DD_Arthur Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 @Elem; click on the IL2 Sturmovik logo at the top of this page. Login to your profile over on the top right then on the next page - also on the right - go down the red boxes until you find "activate unlocks" and viola!
Uufflakke Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Loft said there will be Moscow on the map.Only we are not able to bomb it = most probable explanation is that buildings will be indestructible.Same idea as with Stalingrad,where we got allready bombed city as kind of "large multiobject city scenery".To have a feeling you fly over Stalingrad but you cant destroy every single house or wall. But go on with conspiracies,it is fun to read Can you provide us with a link where he stated that? In case it is a link from the Russian forum please help us with a good translation. Not that crappy cryptic Google Translator.
ST_ami7b5 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Loft said there will be Moscow on the map.Only we are not able to bomb it = most probable explanation is that buildings will be indestructible.Same idea as with Stalingrad,where we got allready bombed city as kind of "large multiobject city scenery".To have a feeling you fly over Stalingrad but you cant destroy every single house or wall. But go on with conspiracies,it is fun to read Then it would be no prob for me. See how I set that building to flames after the first run: Edited February 16, 2015 by ST_ami7b5
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Does "Battle of Moscow" mean a completely new flightsim that doesent merge with "IL2-Battle of Stalingrad" ? Would be somehow annoying if I had to install another flightsim on my pc that has nothing to do with the IL2 I have already instead of merging the new scenario (Battle of Moscow) just with IL2-BOS ... How is this to be understood ? Answer would be appreciated ... ZAK"BOM will be similar to Pacific fighters game released long time ago - BOS and BOM are going to be fully compatible, but you'll be able to buy BOM separately from BOS as well." http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14556-developer-diary-part-88-discussion/?p=231377 Can you provide us with a link where he stated that? In case it is a link from the Russian forum please help us with a good translation. Not that crappy cryptic Google Translator. some where in the Russian forums. post#304 http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2636-obsuzhdenie-88-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/?p=266059 Then it would be no prob for me. See how I set that building to flames after the first run: you can not post PNG, you have to open paint and then resave it as a JPEG.
ST_ami7b5 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 ... you can not post PNG, you have to open paint and then resave it as a JPEG. What do you mean? You don't see the pic? I can see it...
Brano Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Can you provide us with a link where he stated that? In case it is a link from the Russian forum please help us with a good translation. Not that crappy cryptic Google Translator. Link has allready been posted in this thread few pages back. Loft said: Москва на карте будет, но бомбить ее не получится. Moscow will be on the map but to bomb it,that will not work....He always writes in riddles
Elem Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 @Elem; click on the IL2 Sturmovik logo at the top of this page. Login to your profile over on the top right then on the next page - also on the right - go down the red boxes until you find "activate unlocks" and viola! Thanks DD! Now where on earth does it tell you to do that? So I see too that it is only the weapons unlock not the skins. Shame.
71st_AH_Mastiff Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 What do you mean? You don't see the pic? I can see it... yep its broken can not see it.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 yep its broken can not see it. Well I can....
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