Any chance to see the Steam events come back?

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Back when Tobruk came out there were regular Steam Advertised events.

I was hoping we could get some again to bring whats left of the CloD community back together for some Desert action.

Thanks!

[Mysticpuma]

I think it's fair to say, TFS have given up on the Steam forums. When you look at the activity, it's even deader than here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just saw my reply in the first picture, third post down....that didn't age well 😂

Edited June 8 by Mysticpuma

[=FEW=Hauggy]

RIP

[Semor76]

On 6/8/2025 at 5:29 PM, =FEW=Hauggy said:

Back when Tobruk came out there were regular Steam Advertised events.

I was hoping we could get some again to bring whats left of the CloD community back together for some Desert action.

Thanks!

..."to bring whats left of the CoD community."

 

THIS is the rest....25 people. ( I'm one of them right now) And this on a good midweek evening. Normaly the Numbers are well below 20. 

 

Sorry to say that, but let's face it. This sim is more or less dead. 

 

 

Edited June 10 by Semor76

[Dawson]

On 6/8/2025 at 11:29 AM, =FEW=Hauggy said:

Back when Tobruk came out there were regular Steam Advertised events.

I was hoping we could get some again to bring whats left of the CloD community back together for some Desert action.

Thanks!

There is a Tobruk map event scheduled for June 15 which will probably repeat the following Wednesday. Details at ATAG site.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

2 hours ago, Dawson said:

There is a Tobruk map event scheduled for June 15 which will probably repeat the following Wednesday. Details at ATAG site.

Thanks, I wish it was advertised here as well as on steam...

[paul_leonard]

8 hours ago, Semor76 said:

..."to bring whats left of the CoD community."

 

THIS is the rest....25 people. ( I'm one of them right now) And this on a good midweek evening. Normaly the Numbers are well below 20. 

 

Sorry to say that, but let's face it. This sim is more or less dead. 

 

 

Go look at the long term chart. Arguably the game has never been on the bestsellers list.  Look at the other peer games.  Then look closely at when the peak times are and where those evening time zones are.  Weird.  At the end of the day, we are a niche.  But I like living in this niche.  

[Mysticpuma]

At the moment, the only chance that CloD stands of raising its head above the parapet and being noticed again, or bringing back/bringing new players, is VR. The core of what is left of the community is here and on ATAG, however there is definitely interest out there when you look at the membership the TFS Discord channel has. Since it was created, 657 members of the flight sim community have joined up, and no doubt were impressed at the conversations being had with the developers initially.

Once again though, as has always been the case, TFS snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by vanishing from all interaction. I will be fair and say that at least @paul_leonard , @major_setbackand @Soto_Cinematics do make an effort to engage here, but does this mean that there are no modellers, coders, management available? 

It's been noticeable the lack of interaction from (what I guess we would call) upper management, which, if they are super busy, is understandable....but super busy with what? There is no deadline, there is no roadmap, currently we have a list of words stating "wouldn't it be nice if we gave you these"....but we have no idea if or when that will be or even if the team themselves know what they are aiming for?

I mentioned before, Paul Leonard has done wonders with the Ai and Missions, but these won't be released until V6 and the Dieppe map. Setback has made a load of skins for the aircraft that are completed, and we saw some of those on the Typhoon....2-years ago, but since then....🤔 and Soto came in like a breath of fresh air, but now has replied in other threads that nothing has been shared with him since his last update....in March.

 

I run a Cliffs of Dover Facebook group with over 3.2k followers, and what's frustrating is the lack of information. Take for example the following.

 

 

So, when TFS shared the Dieppe map update,  I posted that on the FB page, and the amount of unique users that viewed it was over 2000. That's over 2000 individual viewers on a dedicated CloD page who are all potential customers of v6 (and could already own Blitz/Tobruk).

 

 

These potential customers are sat in limbo, in radio silence for what reason? Ignorance of the upper management, who just don't care if it sells or not? Don't care because they have already given up? It's noticeable that in 63 days, Buzzsaw has only visited the ATAG forum (the home of TFS), twice and made one post on May 25th. That's it. From the team leader? Not sure if I'd be happy if my Team Leader vanished off the 'company' website like that. Also, 63 days since he visited the BoX forums. Also 100 days  since he made a comment on the Discord Channel. As it proudly states there, TF_Buzzsaw Project Manager. Finally, as this is in regard to STEAM, Buzzsaw's last interaction there was 738 days ago (over 2-years). I mean, is this the action of a Team Leader guiding them to victory with the release of the VR/VU/ST and TS update?

Based on the amount of time it has been since he bothered to reply on Steam....the chances of him leading the charge to raise the profile with a new lease of Steam events is highly unlikely.

 

Sadly, as it stands, TFS have left all the potential customers in limbo, and it's clear the blame lays with him.

 

Maybe we'll get a June update?....or July....or August....

 

To be honest, I feel sorry for all those members of TFS, brought in with the expectation of v6.0 on the horizon (pre December 2024).....and still waiting to know if any of their work will ever be released. Only one person knows that, and based on the above....it doesn't look like he is sharing any information anytime soon.

 

 

Edited June 11 by Mysticpuma

[AtomicP]

I have to agree @Mysticpuma. I know life gets in the way but this is the point where TFS needs to send up a distress flare and ask for help. I know they're short on 3D modellers but it also seems to be struggling with organisation. 

 

To TFS peeps, I understand that a lot of day to day work on the sim is probably humdrum but for people on the outside, accustomed to seeing regular (even monthly) updates from other sims, it's difficult not to see the current situation as parlous. 

 

Even a 'this month we only managed X and Y because Z didn't work as well as we hoped' is better than nothing. If we see nothing, we start to fill in the blanks and given the lack of substantive updates over the past few years, it's not a positive outlook. And, to cap it off, those of us here discussing this are the ones who will buy TFS 6.0 and beyond. Everyone else (going by the Steam players) has since buggered off. 

[Dagwoodyt]

If TFS has really turned a corner in implementing VR they could release it to the public and solve their complaint about VR players refusing to fly CloD multiplayer. Alternatively, if the 2D game is working well they could release that and gain user' interest. More likely neither the VR/VU nor 2D game is in a presentable state. The Enigma video purports that "developers", as a group, bemoan the coming of VR, but who are the developers with whom Enigma has spoken? The only developer with whom we can document his conversations is TFS. Enigma then "tees" the TFS developers up to complain about the difficulties of implementing VR. At this late date, if it were you or I, it would be described as "whining". Why would they do that if they have a successful VR implementation? As a PR effort the Enigma video seems misguided. Whose idea was it?

Edited June 11 by Dagwoodyt

[No.54_Reddog]

7 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

If TFS has really turned a corner in implementing VR they could release it to the public and solve their complaint about VR players refusing to fly CloD multiplayer. Alternatively, if the 2D game is working well they could release that and gain user' interest. More likely neither the VR/VU nor 2D game is in a presentable state. The Enigma video purports that "developers", as a group, bemoan the coming of VR, but who are the developers with whom Enigma has spoken? The only developer with whom we can document his conversations is TFS. Enigma then "tees" the TFS developers up to complain about the difficulties of implementing VR. At this late date, if it were you or I, it would be described as "whining". Why would they do that if they have a successful VR implementation? As a PR effort the Enigma video seems misguided. Whose idea was it?

One would assume enigma, he's the one who's benefitted from it.

[Aapje]

46 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said:

One would assume enigma, he's the one who's benefitted from it.

 

That doesn't explain why the TFS devs agreed to it. You can't have an interview with just the interviewer.

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

My guess is that the agenda was previewed in detail and agreed to by both parties. The conversation is stilted and halting with nothing flowing freely. What is remarkable to me is that everyone seemed to enjoy the opportunity vent against VR. How is it news that VR is "hard"?🤣

[AWC]

On 6/9/2025 at 4:56 AM, Mysticpuma said:

I think it's fair to say, TFS have given up on the Steam forums. When you look at the activity, it's even deader than here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just saw my reply in the first picture, third post down....that didn't age well 😂

 

For the record, I have tried many, many times to gain access to Steam as an admin but it has not been granted to me :(. Perhaps it has to do with Fulqrum being the official owners of the game but what do I know.

[AWC]

18 hours ago, AtomicP said:

I have to agree @Mysticpuma. I know life gets in the way but this is the point where TFS needs to send up a distress flare and ask for help. I know they're short on 3D modellers but it also seems to be struggling with organisation. 

 

To TFS peeps, I understand that a lot of day to day work on the sim is probably humdrum but for people on the outside, accustomed to seeing regular (even monthly) updates from other sims, it's difficult not to see the current situation as parlous. 

 

Even a 'this month we only managed X and Y because Z didn't work as well as we hoped' is better than nothing. If we see nothing, we start to fill in the blanks and given the lack of substantive updates over the past few years, it's not a positive outlook. And, to cap it off, those of us here discussing this are the ones who will buy TFS 6.0 and beyond. Everyone else (going by the Steam players) has since buggered off. 

 

Noted

[Mysticpuma]

5 hours ago, Soto_Cinematics said:

 

For the record, I have tried many, many times to gain access to Steam as an admin but it has not been granted to me :(. Perhaps it has to do with Fulqrum being the official owners of the game but what do I know.

It was the same when I was in TFS (when it was 1C), I couldn't get admin privileges either. The only admin I ever saw (apart from maybe Buzzsaw but I don't even know if he was) was someone called "Sneaksie".

 

However, that still didn't stop me posting 😎

Edited June 12 by Mysticpuma

[BENKOE]

6 hours ago, Soto_Cinematics said:

 

For the record, I have tried many, many times to gain access to Steam as an admin but it has not been granted to me :(. Perhaps it has to do with Fulqrum being the official owners of the game but what do I know.

 

Is this supposed to suggest that there is an unofficial owner?

[AtomicP]

10 hours ago, Soto_Cinematics said:

 

For the record, I have tried many, many times to gain access to Steam as an admin but it has not been granted to me :(. Perhaps it has to do with Fulqrum being the official owners of the game but what do I know.

On the topic of Steam, if you ever get admin access to the discussion forums, please have a look at sorting out the sticky posts on the general discussion page. Way too many and some are five years old, meaning most of the information is likely out of date anyway. Thanks!

[Mysticpuma]

Meaning that whoever is Admin on Steam, none of the team have bothered to contact them or if a member of the team is admin, they can or haven't been bothered either.

[paul_leonard]

I have reached out to ATAG_Snapper as he may know.  I'm also "greenwoodpoint" on Steam and do try and visit the forum from time to time and answer questions.