IL-2 Series - After Korea

[Jackfraser24]

Hi everyone, I would like to suggest some modules that third party developers could do for Great Battles that 1CGS will most likely not do in the near future with their new game. The reason why I suggest that third party developers do some modules themselves is because 1CGS will want to move onto their new game concerning Korea and the Pacific, so if any more content is to be made for Great Battles it will be from third party developers, though 1CGS might be willing to work with the third party developers to lighten the work load. Now I am aware that modules done by third party developers take much longer to do, and that they do not have the same amount of money, time and resources as 1CGS does. I also understand that they might not want to work with outdated technologies to make more modules for Great Battles, so bear in mind that I understand these things. And if you all have a problem with me making these kinds of threads then I promise, this will be the last one. 
 

The first module I would like to suggest would be to cover the entirety of the Western Front of WWII. This would start in 1939 with the Phoney War —> Battle of the Netherlands —> Battle of Belgium —> Battle of Luxembourg —> Battle of France —> Battle of Britain —> The Blitz —> The Dieppe Raid —> The Channel Dash —> Invasion of Normandy —> Battle of the Bulge —> and the Allied Invasion of Western Germany. I understand that this would be a ginormous task to do and it would take a long time to do, but if completed this could greatly benefit everyone involved. I am a little concerned that computers nowadays would not be able to process the map, but I believe that by the time it would be released computers would have the ability to do so.

Edited March 18 by Jackfraser24

[BlitzPig_EL]

The entirety of the WW2 Western Front done by a third party?  Do you have 25 or 30 years to wait for it?

[Enceladus828]

The Invasion of Sicily, Tunisia or some Eastern Front battle are the only ones I’d see likely to happen.

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The entirety of the WW2 Western Front done by a third party?  Do you have 25 or 30 years to wait for it?

Yeah, probably a bit too unrealistic to be fair now. But I think a module concerning the Battle of Britain could work though. All they’d need to do is use the Normandy map as a template, expand it a little to include places like London and Paris modify the map to make it 1940, not 1944. Lots of people would buy it, especially in English and German speaking countries. The battle is also still very well known and its memory still lives on strong in various types of current media  so you can guarantee good sales. Lastly, we need a more modern Battle of Britain combat flight simulation game for the 2020s than Cliffs of Dover. I am aware for the record that Cliffs of Dover Blitz is a very good game, but in a way it feels like IL-2 has gone away from its roots in terms of gameplay.

Plane List

 

German

• Bf-109 E-3
• Bf-110 C-4
• Do-17 Z-2
• He-111 H-2
• Ju-88 A-1

 

Allies

• Blenheim Mk.IV
• Beaufighter Mk.I
• Hurricane Mk.I
• Spitfire Mk.I
• Spitfire Mk.II

[BraveSirRobin]

Large formations of bombers brings GB missions to a crawl.  No chance that anyone does a BoB module.

[Juri_JS]

From first hand experience I can say that map building in the game is extremely time-consuming, in particular when you have to create new buildings too. Karelia and Odessa were started many years ago and they are still not finished. That a third party team starts with a completely new map is just not realistic at this point.

The only exception I can think of that might be doable is a map with lots of water and only a small land area. For example a Bay of Biscay/Celtic Sea map, with just western Brittany and a small part of Cornwall, that uses the buildings from Normandy.

[Enceladus828]

14 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Yeah, probably a bit too unrealistic to be fair now. But I think a module concerning the Battle of Britain could work though. All they’d need to do is use the Normandy map as a template, expand it a little to include places like London and Paris modify the map to make it 1940, not 1944. Lots of people would buy it, especially in English and German speaking countries. The battle is also still very well known and its memory still lives on strong in various types of current media  so you can guarantee good sales. Lastly, we need a more modern Battle of Britain combat flight simulation game for the 2020s than Cliffs of Dover. I am aware for the record that Cliffs of Dover Blitz is a very good game, but in a way it feels like IL-2 has gone away from its roots in terms of gameplay.

Plane List

 

German

• Bf-109 E-3
• Bf-110 C-4
• Do-17 Z-2
• He-111 H-2
• Ju-88 A-1

 

Allies

• Blenheim Mk.IV
• Beaufighter Mk.I
• Hurricane Mk.I
• Spitfire Mk.I
• Spitfire Mk.II

If there is a 1CGS Battle of Britain then I’d like to see a flyable Beaufighter, Wellington, Do-17, and the Regia Aeronautica (BR.20, CR.42 and G.50) included as well. I don’t want to be jumping between Cliffs and 1CGS’ to fly aircraft I can’t fly in the other game.

[Jackfraser24]

55 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

If there is a 1CGS Battle of Britain then I’d like to see a flyable Beaufighter, Wellington, Do-17, and the Regia Aeronautica (BR.20, CR.42 and G.50) included as well. I don’t want to be jumping between Cliffs and 1CGS’ to fly aircraft I can’t fly in the other game.

I envision collector planes would follow.

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

From first hand experience I can say that map building in the game is extremely time-consuming, in particular when you have to create new buildings too. Karelia and Odessa were started many years ago and they are still not finished. That a third party team starts with a completely new map is just not realistic at this point.

The only exception I can think of that might be doable is a map with lots of water and only a small land area. For example a Bay of Biscay/Celtic Sea map, with just western Brittany and a small part of Cornwall, that uses the buildings from Normandy.

Thanks for your insight. Since you have experience building maps I would like to ask you if the Normandy map could be used as a template for a Battle of Britain map, and be expanded north, west and east to include London, the West Country and parts of Belgium, as well as building in Paris. Is it possible? And how likely would this be done if there was enough demand for a Battle of Britain module?

[BraveSirRobin]

And when that map is completed 5+ years from now you just have to convince 1C to produce a bunch of aircraft for a game that they no longer support.  Good luck!

[FliegerAD]

7 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

For example a Bay of Biscay/Celtic Sea map, with just western Brittany and a small part of Cornwall, that uses the buildings from Normandy.

 

I for would love this! As playables the Ju 88 C-6 and the Mosquito FB VI can be used, and the addition of new variants would not be too difficult. (I still dream of the Ju 88 R-2 with the improved engines and armament...). For the engagements close to the coast the usual suspects are available, like Spitfire or 109s.

 

Thing is, we may also need new AI-planes, or else this might be a dull affair over the sea. Hudson, Hampden or Catalina on the Allied side come to mind, or even a Sunderland if possible (probably not). Even the smaller long-range aircraft require a lot of work. And it is not like their is huge demand for them anyway.

 

And while protecting U-boats from ASW planes while dodging Mosquitos sounds great to me, there is probably a reason it was never done before in a sim. Unfortunately so.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

And when that map is completed 5+ years from now you just have to convince 1C to produce a bunch of aircraft for a game that they no longer support.  Good luck!

I could give it a shot…

[Enceladus828]

40 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I could give it a shot…

You are greatly oversimplifying things, Jack. Making a map, even retexturing one with changing the airfields and removing fortifications, takes a lot of time. Let’s say that you do manage to retexture the BoN map to 1940, well who is really going to fly over it? Making earlier versions of aircraft already in the game still takes a considerable time. And by that point for a Battle of Britain, Battle of France or an Invasion of the Low Countries installment — any early war 1939-40 battle — would be better off done in the Korea engine as it would be more appealing to players there.

 

In all seriousness, if you are going to take a shot at making or retexturing a GBs map, do a map that wouldn’t require an entire planeset of new aircraft. North Africa would be one. You would make the FC crowd very happy if the eastern part of the Channel Map was retextured to 1918 🥹

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

You are greatly oversimplifying things, Jack. Making a map, even retexturing one with changing the airfields and removing fortifications, takes a lot of time. Let’s say that you do manage to retexture the BoN map to 1940, well who is really going to fly over it? Making earlier versions of aircraft already in the game still takes a considerable time. And by that point for a Battle of Britain, Battle of France or an Invasion of the Low Countries installment — any early war 1939-40 battle — would be better off done in the Korea engine as it would be more appealing to players there.

 

In all seriousness, if you are going to take a shot at making or retexturing a GBs map, do a map that wouldn’t require an entire planeset of new aircraft. North Africa would be one. You would make the FC crowd very happy if the eastern part of the Channel Map was retextured to 1918 🥹

I suppose you’re right. All this is just a pipe dream really. LukeFF was right when he said that once Karelia and Odessa are done then that’s it for development on the game. It had a good run though, and I am happily surprised that they even got as far as doing the Ta-152 H-1, a favourite late war German plane of mine.

[357th_KW]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Thanks for your insight. Since you have experience building maps I would like to ask you if the Normandy map could be used as a template for a Battle of Britain map, and be expanded north, west and east to include London, the West Country and parts of Belgium, as well as building in Paris. Is it possible? And how likely would this be done if there was enough demand for a Battle of Britain module?

 

This seems like the most reasonable option.  The realistic possibility would be converting Normandy in an "early" version set roughly in 1940-42 to give a better backdrop for Battle of Britain and Channel front scenarios.  We already have many of the aircraft that flew in this time frame - Hurricane II, Spit V, Boston, numerous 109 and 190 variants etc.  Obviously it would be nice to add some earlier variants of some to expand the range a bit.  Is it really so unrealistic to get a 190A-1 or a Spit or Hurricane Mk I when we got multiple Spit XIVs and a Ta-152?

 

The other potential option would be to rework the Western Front map into a 1940-44 setup.  1940 might be doable with some of the planes that we may see for Karelia (Hawk 75, Ms406, Fokker DXXI etc) and we've already got all the planes necessary for 1944.

 

And the argument that you couldn't simulate these campaigns due to limits on the number of bombers is silly.  We got Battle of Bodenplatte, complete with a blue-nosed P-51D on the cover and you can't get close to putting the 80 aircraft into the sky over Y-29 that were actually there on January 1st 1945.  We always have to limit the scope of individual missions to keep things running smoothly.

 

I'd love to see a group form up to work on making one of these a reality - for those of us who love the eastern or western fronts of WW2, this game is probably the last thing we're going to have to play for years to come, so why not keep improving it?

[Jackfraser24]

23 minutes ago, 357th_KW said:

 

This seems like the most reasonable option.  The realistic possibility would be converting Normandy in an "early" version set roughly in 1940-42 to give a better backdrop for Battle of Britain and Channel front scenarios.  We already have many of the aircraft that flew in this time frame - Hurricane II, Spit V, Boston, numerous 109 and 190 variants etc.  Obviously it would be nice to add some earlier variants of some to expand the range a bit.  Is it really so unrealistic to get a 190A-1 or a Spit or Hurricane Mk I when we got multiple Spit XIVs and a Ta-152?

 

The other potential option would be to rework the Western Front map into a 1940-44 setup.  1940 might be doable with some of the planes that we may see for Karelia (Hawk 75, Ms406, Fokker DXXI etc) and we've already got all the planes necessary for 1944.

 

And the argument that you couldn't simulate these campaigns due to limits on the number of bombers is silly.  We got Battle of Bodenplatte, complete with a blue-nosed P-51D on the cover and you can't get close to putting the 80 aircraft into the sky over Y-29 that were actually there on January 1st 1945.  We always have to limit the scope of individual missions to keep things running smoothly.

 

I'd love to see a group form up to work on making one of these a reality - for those of us who love the eastern or western fronts of WW2, this game is probably the last thing we're going to have to play for years to come, so why not keep improving it?

I think that the Normandy/Channel map still has a lot of unused potential in it. For one, if they do expand the map to include London, Paris, Brittany, Western Belgium and the West Country, and change it from a 1944 era to a 1940 one, the Battle of Britain could be included, as well as having a 1941, 42, 43 and 44 version of the map to cover The Blitz, the Dieppe Raid, and Operation Steinbock (Baby Blitz) respectfully. I know that this would take a long time to do, but it is not likely that they will do a Normandy: IL-2 module title, because we already have IL-2 Battle of Normandy. And then there’s the matter of addressing the prospect that there will have to be four different plane lists of 8 planes, one for 1940, one for 1941, one for 1942 and one for 1943-44. I just think there is lots of potential here. 
 

 

[FliegerAD]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I suppose you’re right. All this is just a pipe dream really. LukeFF was right when he said that once Karelia and Odessa are done then that’s it for development on the game. It had a good run though, and I am happily surprised that they even got as far as doing the Ta-152 H-1, a favourite late war German plane of mine.

We had a good run, indeed, with many planes I would never have thought possible like the C-6 or the 410. (Yes, I like two-engined fighters).

 

Yet, maybe there is some life left in the series. Korea is a different setting after all; not worse or better, just different. And WW2 will always be attractive. Admittedly, we got most of the high-profile aircraft, and what is left is for a niche audience. I do not know if another variant would be profitable. It depends on the workload to sales ratio.

The 190 A-9 or the 109 G-10 come to mind...

 

If the devs decided it is over, it is over. But if a new planes gets added to this sim, I am in.

[Jackfraser24]

9 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

We had a good run, indeed, with many planes I would never have thought possible like the C-6 or the 410. (Yes, I like two-engined fighters).

 

Yet, maybe there is some life left in the series. Korea is a different setting after all; not worse or better, just different. And WW2 will always be attractive. Admittedly, we got most of the high-profile aircraft, and what is left is for a niche audience. I do not know if another variant would be profitable. It depends on the workload to sales ratio.

The 190 A-9 or the 109 G-10 come to mind...

 

If the devs decided it is over, it is over. But if a new planes gets added to this sim, I am in.

What I really wanted to see were Battle of Britain, Battle of France, Battle of Malta, Battle of Kursk, Battle of Hungary and Battle of Berlin modules materialise. The reason why I say Britain should have been done is because it was such an iconic battle and probably the largest only air battle that history has ever seen. Another reason why I think it would have been not only a good idea but a doable one is because we already have a map for it. All they’d need to do is expand the map a little in every direction except south and make it look like 1940, though I have been told a few times that something like that it would be much easier said than to do. And I think that Great Battles needed a Battle of Britain and from what I understand it could be done now that there is no longer a deal with Team Fusion to keep product commonality to a minimum. But I understand that the game building technologies are outdated (from what I have gathered) and no one really wants to work with outdated technologies when there are newer and better game building technologies out there.

 

For a Battle of France module I reckon that this too could have been doable, again though, not easily but doable because we already have the Bodenplatte map for it, which could have been used as a template for it. If 1CGS could have worked closely with third party developers then they very well could have expanded the Bodenplatte map north, south and west slightly to include northeastern France with Paris being around the southwestern corner of it. I believe this would have been good for Great Battles as there has never been a base game or module covering the Battle of France. I doubt that they will ever cover the Battle of France in the Korea: IL-2 series as this was a quick and crushing defeat for France, The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, unlike the decisive victory the outcome the Battle of Britain had for the British and its Allies. But it would have shown the effectiveness of the German Blitzkrieg in its early years I will add. I doubt it will be doable now though. 
 

Battle of Malta, I would have liked because if it were to happen we would now have a historically accurate place to use the Mc.202 Series VIII, instead of at Moscow and Stalingrad. And if third party developers were to work closely with 1CGS to make Battle of Malta for Great Battles a reality, they wouldn’t have to worry about making it again in the next series if they get to the Med, instead they could go from doing a Tunisia module straight to an Operation Husky (Sicily) module. The only problem I see here would be that it would be left largely to the third party developers to make the map from scratch as well as making the carriers for the Royal Navy, though it could be done, it will probably not be done until the mid 2030s and by then 1CGS might have well just have done a Malta: IL-2 Series title. I am guessing that they would have had to have made their own planes as well such as the Fiat C.R.42, Mc.200 and CANT Z.1007 to name a few, and Italian planes (or so I have heard) are really hard to study. The map would have to include all of Sicily, parts parts of southern mainland Italy and northern Tunisia. But I doubt this module will ever be made.

 

I would have liked to have seen a Kursk module because IL-2 Sturmoviks and Ju-87D Stukas were heavily used here. In fact I think that instead of doing Kuban, I think 1CGS should have gone to Kursk because it was a very iconic battle in the Russian SSR, and is still relatively fresh in the minds of history enthusiasts even up to today, so people would know what the battle was about, and of how important and large the battle was so it would be guaranteed that a Battle of Kursk module would have been a great success sales wise. One minor advantage that third party developers would have had was that part of the map was already completed for them - Prokhorovka and the Belgorod region. A lot of work would be cut out for them though to build other parts of the map including Kursk and Kharkov, so they would not likely be done until probably the mid 2030s. I know I’d have banged on about Kursk many times in the past on various threads so I sincerely apologise for this. 
 

I think that a Battle of Hungary module would have been worth time and resources for third party modules to do for several reasons. Firstly, there is no base game or module covering the fall of Hungary in 1944-45 so IL-2 Great Battles would have something new to offer, the same with having a Battle of France module. Sorry I repeat myself with this but this is still a valid point. Secondly, we already have a lot of late war Axis fighters like the Bf-109 G-14, Fw-190 A-8 and the D-9, which could have  contributed to the pilot career gameplay very well. Thirdly, there’s little chance that 1CGS will return to the Eastern Front, and when they do decide to go back I don’t think Hungary is significant enough for them do as a module in the new series, largely because of the dwindling power of the Luftwaffe and Royal Hungarian Air Force during the latter half of 1944, though I maybe very wrong about this. A Battle of Hungary module would certainly have required late war Soviet aircraft like later 1944 versions of the La-7, Yak-3, Yak-9, IL-2, IL-4, Pe-2, A-20G, Tu-2, B-25H, and P-39Q to be built. On the realistic and down side of things, I’m well aware that this would be too time consuming to do them all, even if they did do Hungary. Being realistic at this stage it would be too time consuming to make a Battle of Hungary module, and too late because if 1CGS did indeed want to make a Hungary: IL-2 Series module, they would do it quicker and to a higher degree of quality with their new game building technologies.

Berlin would have been a great finale to the Great Battles chronologically speaking as it was the endgame battle of the war in Europe. How I envision the could have been module is that it would also include the Vistula-Oder Offensive as well as the Battle in Berlin. I would have liked to have seen a Battle of Berlin module because firstly, it would give us another place to use aircraft like the Bf-109 K-4, Ta-152 and the upcoming La-7 and Yak-3 for Odessa and Karelia. Secondly, it would retell the tale of this battle from the air perspective that in many historians opinions a battle that should never have happened. And lastly, the Battle of Berlin has rarely been explored in combat flight simulation. There was Wings of Prey, but that was more of an arcade game rather than a more realistic combat flight simulator. But again at this stage I wouldn’t even think anyone would consider doing a Battle of Berlin module because firstly, the game building technologies are old, secondly, the module would be expected to have 8-10 planes associated with it, which is time consuming, and thirdly, the city of Berlin would be too big to make in time, so again if 1CGS were to make a Berlin: IL-2 Series module let’s say by 2035, with 8-10 planes and a larger map included, they would achieve it with the new technologies quicker with greater detail and quality than the third party developers with old game building technologies. 

[Jackfraser24]

Anybody still here?

[AndyJWest]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Anybody still here?

 

You are, clearly. Do you ever actually run IL-2 GB, or is all your time spent thinking about stuff you'd like added to it?

[Enceladus828]

38 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

You are, clearly. Do you ever actually run IL-2 GB, or is all your time spent thinking about stuff you'd like added to it?

He does man, don't be rude.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

He does man, don't be rude.

I’m doing an 8:1 challenge in quick mission builder where I am fighting alone against 8 enemy planes. I’ve done it in a WWI fight but not in a WWII one. Usually I get 2-3 down before I am overwhelmed. 

Edited January 9 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

I still think Battle of Berlin is a wise option for Great Battles despite what I said before. It would act as a great finale for the Eastern Front, and act as a fine contemporary Eastern Front counterpart to Bodenplatte, a late 1944 - early 1945 Western Front module. I envision that a Battle of Berlin would also include the Vistula-Oder Offensive, extending from Warsaw in the east to Berlin in the west with many cities, towns and villages in between. 1CGS (I don’t think) will want to work on this themselves as they will want to work on Korea and the a pacific with their new game. So I think that it will have to be a collaboration of various third party developers but they will need Ugra-Media’s help with building the many cities such as Berlin and Warsaw. The list of planes would be just as appealing (imo). I’ll give a list below.

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20
• Hs-129-B-3
• Ju-88 S-1
• IL-2M
• IL-4
• La-7 late 1944
• Tu-2S
• Yak-3 late 1944

[LukeFF]

Jack, as we have said countless times now, Odessa and Karelia are it for us in terms of WWII GB modules. 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Jack, as we have said countless times now, Odessa and Karelia are it for us in terms of WWII GB modules. 

Sorry. I only did this so this thread wouldn’t get shut down. Again, I apologise. I’m just venting out my thoughts on the future of Great Battles. I guess this is pointless though. Maybe I should change it to After Korea Titles, maybe?

Edited January 10 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Sorry. I only did this so this thread wouldn’t get shut down. Again, I apologise. I’m just venting out my thoughts on the future of Great Battles. I guess this is pointless though. Maybe I should change it to After Korea Titles, maybe?

Maybe just take a break and go touch grass.  Or snow.  Whatever. The constant speculation about stuff that you know will not happen is just silly.

[Jackfraser24]

39 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Maybe just take a break and go touch grass.  Or snow.  Whatever. The constant speculation about stuff that you know will not happen is just silly.

I think I’ll take a break. I’ll wait until Korea is done and for when they announce their next project. Then I will speculate.

Edited January 10 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

I hope they redo all the Great Battles content one day into this new game. Sorry to pester about this. I’m just excited for the future of the series.

[Jackfraser24]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:13 PM, LukeFF said:

Jack, as we have said countless times now, Odessa and Karelia are it for us in terms of WWII GB modules. 

I’m sorry I keep bringing up Berlin. I just thought it would be a good module though, a great way to end the series chronologically. Hungary would have been good too because it would represent the story of Operation Spring Awakening in early 1945 from the air and the final fall of Germany’s last European ally. I just thought these modules would be necessary for Great Battles because otherwise they’d be leaving out a massive chunk of the Eastern Front between Odessa and the end of the war in Europe. But I know they must look onwards to new horizons. Again, I’m sorry. But wouldn’t you like to see a Battle of Berlin and Battle of Hungary modules for Great Battles? Or even a Bagration module? If so, what aircraft would you have liked to have seen for each?

 

 

 

[LukeFF]

Can't do it all. 🙂 

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Can't do it all. 🙂 

Agreed. Maybe in the next sim. I know they’ve already decided on what they are going to do but I have ideas I’d like to express. Here’s what I’d like to see in the next sim after Korea. Note that this list will overlap with Combat Pilot’s plans but because they are doing clickable cockpits and IL-2 will continue to do without them, I think it is safe to say that if their plans do overlap, it won’t affect each others sales much because that will make their gameplay very different from each other. 

 
Pacific Theatre

• Midway
• The Solomons
• New Guinea
• The Marianas
• The Philippines
• Okinawa

Mediterranean Theatre

• Malta
• Western Desert
• Tunisia
• Sicily
• Mainland Italy
• South France (Operation Dragoon)

 

Eastern Front

• Moscow
• Stalingrad
• Kursk
• Odessa
• Karelia
• Bagration
• Courland
• Berlin

 

Western Front

• France (1940)
• Britain (1940-41)
• Normandy
• The Bulge

 

Please take this as a grain of salt. I know they can’t do everything, but I just want to see what you think.

Edited January 21 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

13 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Agreed. Maybe in the next sim. I know they’ve already decided on what they are going to do but I have ideas I’d like to express. Here’s what I’d like to see in the next sim after Korea. Note that this list will overlap with Combat Pilot’s plans but because they are doing clickable cockpits and IL-2 will continue to do without them, I think it is safe to say that if their plans do overlap, it won’t affect each others sales much because that will make their gameplay very different from each other. 

 
Pacific Theatre

• Midway
• The Solomons
• New Guinea
• The Marianas
• The Philippines
• Okinawa

Mediterranean Theatre

• Malta
• Western Desert
• Tunisia
• Sicily
• Mainland Italy
• South France (Operation Dragoon)

 

Eastern Front

• Moscow
• Stalingrad
• Kursk
• Odessa
• Karelia
• Bagration
• Courland
• Berlin

 

Western Front

• France (1940)
• Britain (1940-41)
• Normandy
• The Bulge

 

Please take this as a grain of salt. I know they can’t do everything, but I just want to see what you think.

Okay,

Most importent for me is to avoid the current situation, that pilot careers can not be ended (eastern front/ russian careers):

At first End-War 1945 scenarios to be created, and after these are released backwards 1944, 43, 42, 41, 40, 39!!!

In this way all pilot careers can be ended in May or August 1945!

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, kraut1 said:

Okay,

Most importent for me is to avoid the current situation, that pilot careers can not be ended (eastern front/ russian careers):

At first End-War 1945 scenarios to be created, and after these are released backwards 1944, 43, 42, 41, 40, 39!!!

In this way all pilot careers can be ended in May or August 1945!

I just want to ask how's the Courland map going? I'm sure once it is done it will be a huge hit! I still think that Great Battles needs a late war (late 1944 - early 1945) Eastern Front to round it off and I think that Courland, Hungary or Berlin would be a great way to finish it both chronologically and developmental wise. And we need more planes like late war German bombers, and Soviet fighters too. Though if you don't get it finished, I won't be disappointed as plans change all the time and so do priorities when it comes to the game and life in general. Though I wish you the best of luck.

 

Suggested Plane List

 

Germans

• Bf-109 G-10
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-88 S-1

Soviets

• IL-2M
• IL-4
• La-7 late series
• Yak-9U

Edited January 22 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I just want to ask how's the Courland map going?

 

Thanks!

From my side most of the work is done:

I have released the map mod that simulates Kurland and I have released the modified EMG Mission Generator for quick and simple mission generation.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/89214-kurland-kurzeme-194445-mod-v04-released-10012025/

And there will be soon a new release with new EMGv88.exe by Vander (automatic tactical codes). I am currently testing this new feature.

 

And I am working on a JG54 1945 fighter campaign: preliminary version with status Beta released with currently 58Missions, total number of missions will be ca. 90...110.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/89556-jg54-courland-pocket-fw190-a8-kurland-kessel-1945-campaign-beta-030125-58-missions/

 

And I have proposed the map / module in the post by @Avimimus and before of this in one of your posts:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/90329-hypothetical-module-kurland-194445/#findComment-1339717

 

The decision if a Kurland Map and a Kurland Module will be produced is not in my responsibility and I will not do this task.

But I myself am flying in my simulated Kurland since August and I like it. So for me it's okay.

And in the short time since 10th January, when I moved the Download from Dropbox to Mediafire, the Mod was 23 times downloaded (Download numbers were not indicated in Dropbox).

 

Added later: Of the planes mentioned by you the IL-4 is by far the most importent!

 

Edited January 22 by kraut1

[Aapje]

@LukeFF

 

Will you please consider adding Kurland to the Karelia and Odessa module?

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

@LukeFF

 

Will you please consider adding Kurland to the Karelia and Odessa module?

 

Not a chance it's going to happen, sorry. We are already on a tight timeline to get Odessa and Karelia released.

[Jackfraser24]

18 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Not a chance it's going to happen, sorry. We are already on a tight timeline to get Odessa and Karelia released.

I see. Sorry about adding all of this extra pressure if I have done. 

[Aapje]

22 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Not a chance it's going to happen, sorry. We are already on a tight timeline to get Odessa and Karelia released.

 

Perhaps Kurland is an option later on then.

 

@kraut1

 

Would Kurland work with the existing planeset, or does it need new planes?

[Jackfraser24]

To quote Douglas MacArthur - I shall return.

[kraut1]

25 minutes ago, Aapje said:

 

Perhaps Kurland is an option later on then.

 

@kraut1

 

Would Kurland work with the existing planeset, or does it need new planes?

It is already currently working in my mod.

According my information many already existing 1943 russian plane were used in Kurland too:

https://airwarpublications.com/a-beginners-guide-to-the-soviet-air-force-over-courland/

And we will get the Yak-3 and the LA-7 with Odessa. (currently simulated by me with modded La5-FN /m Yak1-s127 AI settings for the german campaign)

For the German side the most importent planes late BF109-G6 and BF109-G14 as fighter and fighter-reconnaissance are available.

And of course the FW190-A6 and A8 are available too (A8 most importent)

The FW190-A9 could be interesting as an opponent when the Yak-3/La-7 appear.

But experienced FW190-A8 fought successfully until the end of the war.

And in general for all eastern front modules 1941-44 the IL-4 would be great.

 

So from my point of view:

Yes, with the current planes are already interesting 1944/45 Kurland missions possible, but it would be nice to have some more advanced russian planes.

(and at least some T34-85 / IS-2 tanks)

 

Edited January 24 by kraut1