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I sense a challenge here. Best way to handle this is to set up a little furball-touranment between the Roffers and Codders. 10 matches, 5 in RoF and 5 in CoD, 8vs8 in a 4-per-flight setup. The winner gets bragging-rights.

 

Seriously, though, I think we've debated this to death. The bottom line for all of us is that we should all be a little less ready to fire off a broadside at eachother, and to always remember that some might not have English as a primary language and thus can express ourselves a little clumsy/harshly without meaning to.

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It has gotten out of hand but I suppose that it is bound to happen when you combine to heavily entrenched fanbases.

 

  In my ideal utopia, we would all be sharing notes instead of talking down to one another and questioning each others preferred difficulty settings or other such nonsense.

 

  If WWI ain't your cup of tea then you have no need to drink it, I personally like flying in both the great wars and I don't feel the need to pick a side.

 

  Lets not assume that the new IL-2 will be ROF with new planes, I have more faith (perhaps a foolish amount) in the combined 777/1C team than that.

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It all starts to go wrong when people use phrases as "No need to frustrate yourself with Cliffs of Dover anymore."

 

It's a simple fact that a lot of players are not frustrated with CloD and are happy with it. So making assumptions otherwise will be seen as an insult.

 

However I support the open invitation to try RoF, it's fun! And no, it's not something for old guys; in fact it's the other way around. For WW1 dogfights you need lightning reflexes. Trying to survive in a furball with lots of planes where opponents can turn on you within two seconds is hard! Whenever I get back to IL2 or CloD I'm always surprised that you have much more time to make decisions when maneuvering in a dogfight. On the other hand the much higher closing speeds in WW2 can make gunnery a lot harder! :)

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For those getting a bad impression of the ROF community - it's understandable seeing some of the posts here, but I have to say: the people making the bad posts about CloD, don't seem to be very familiar faces on the ROF forums ;)

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Whenever I get back to IL2 or CloD I'm always surprised that you have much more time to make decisions when maneuvering in a dogfight. On the other hand the much higher closing speeds in WW2 make gunnery a lot harder! :)

 

Funny as I find gunnery in ROF to be the hardest, I really have very low hit % compared to CloD or Il-2 :D

 

And yeah I second the invite to try out ROF to all those who haven't, it's good B)

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For those getting a bad impression of the ROF community - it's understandable seeing some of the posts here, but I have to say: the people making the bad posts about CloD, don't seem to be very familiar faces on the ROF forums ;)

 

Meh, you have muppets in both camps, and us Clodders are fairly well used to such things :P Trust me, there's no shortage of muppets in our camp :P

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Well its more up to us to let the muppets actually gain the upper hand seeing that this is an all new place for both communities. Also, there really is no reason to get all winded up over a which-game-is-better contest. Rather this opportunity should actually get a lot of people involved on both sides of the fence.

 

Then again:

I sense a challenge here. Best way to handle this is to set up a little furball-touranment between the Roffers and Codders. 10 matches, 5 in RoF and 5 in CoD, 8vs8 in a 4-per-flight setup. The winner gets bragging-rights.

 

 

I suggest handbags at dawn. :huh:

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Well its more up to us to let the muppets actually gain the upper hand seeing that this is an all new place for both communities. Also, there really is no reason to get all winded up over a which-game-is-better contest. Rather this opportunity should actually get a lot of people involved on both sides of the fence.

 

Then again:

 

I suggest handbags at dawn. :huh:

 

Quite true.

 

And right'o, Sir! Handbags it is!

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I bought ROF after some reviews and it's a beautiful flight sim. I play it on a 3 monitor rig. I owned the Il2 Sturmovik series and I'm excited that they teamed up with 777 Development team. Can't wait to see a demo of the product.

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Jeez, I leave the forum for two days and you babies have gotten out of control. If you got your feelings hurt because the topic I posted then take a straw and suck it the f*ck up. I made an open invitation in hopes of making both sims better and you guys act like I just hit on your moms.

 

Huevos: grab them if you have them and continue this thread like adults, not like babies.

 

I've said my piece.

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Jeez, I leave the forum for two days and you babies have gotten out of control. If you got your feelings hurt because the topic I posted then take a straw and suck it the f*ck up. I made an open invitation in hopes of making both sims better and you guys act like I just hit on your moms.

 

Huevos: grab them if you have them and continue this thread like adults, not like babies.

 

I've said my piece.

 

An invitation really, just how deluded are you?

 

An invitation with a slap thrown in really makes ppl want to try ROF.

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Jeez, I leave the forum for two days and you babies have gotten out of control. If you got your feelings hurt because the topic I posted then take a straw and suck it the f*ck up. I made an open invitation in hopes of making both sims better and you guys act like I just hit on your moms.

 

Huevos: grab them if you have them and continue this thread like adults, not like babies.

 

I've said my piece.

 

You may call people babies all you want, but quite a few took your message to be condescending and quite frankly somewhat rude. And you absolutely have to remember that many people had very few issues with CLoD after the last patch, so they might not even be frustrated with it.

 

Maybe it was an attempt at humor from your side. I will suggest adding a smiley the next time, as humor, irony and the finer points of the English language is extremely hard to put forth in written form, especially for those that might not have English as their primary language.

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Well yes, I'm an original IL-2 fan, having started from day one and thoroughly enjoying every hour spent simming on the original and updated versions of the sim.  I have to say, I had the most fun in those earlier versions on the Eastern Front up and about flying historical online in vast maps with aggressive AI patrolling the areas and the opportunity to get bounced every second.  I've had to drop out of the online gaming due to my connection options, but I'm excited about another sim focusing on this Theatre and especially with the ROF team behind the developement.  I'd like the best AI possible and the ability to give commands to aircraft that respond realistically.  Even in those early sims, you could go out with 4 guys on a coop and have one whale of a time on patrol.  Limping back home victorious, or maybe a couple guys short.  Man that was fun.  That's what I'm looking for again. 

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For those getting a bad impression of the ROF community - it's understandable seeing some of the posts here, but I have to say: the people making the bad posts about CloD, don't seem to be very familiar faces on the ROF forums ;)

Thats because they were too busy at the 1c forums destroying clod's reputation even though they didnt really play the game though still found it interesting to hang out and make fires.  Seeing allot of names from there.  It always puzzled me greatly that they didnt like clod but were always on the 1c forum, except when they were on small holidays for being banned, can you imagine that RoF did not get my interests and had allot of problems originally but I did not hang out on the RoF forums and cause a stink...

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Thats because they were too busy at the 1c forums destroying clod's reputation even though they didnt really play the game though still found it interesting to hang out and make fires.  Seeing allot of names from there.  It always puzzled me greatly that they didnt like clod but were always on the 1c forum, except when they were on small holidays for being banned, can you imagine that RoF did not get my interests and had allot of problems originally but I did not hang out on the RoF forums and cause a stink...

 

I think this is kind of unfair, most of the hate comments in 1C forums was from people who get pissed with the game (with reason or not). I was part of both forums and in both of them we have nice fellows who want to improve the games, and stupd trolls . Anyway I think its natural some bad reaction after this "forced union" but we have to start to see each other as just players, and not as two tribes from stone age. ;)

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It is obvious that you are an offline player and prefer to fly in simple mode (from your previous posts). You weight your entire discussion on your limited experience online and then attack COD because it doesn't meet your standards for offline play. Agreed, no dynamic campaign - a must for offline play for me as well.

 

But, I have to say that you have completely missed the online value by a very large margin. At least you have emphasized only clickable cockpits and pretty effects as your main approach to online. That comment alone demonstrates you are not completely aware of the vast online battles by dedicated squadrons, the nuances of being there, the minute settings to get all you can out of the aircraft, the pitting of skill and aircraft differences in a duel of flights. Online is not just dogfighting. There are scenarios to win a map, trigger points for events, bombers en-mass both AI and human trying to achieve targets and win points for either Red or Blue. And, squadrons, yes squadrons of flight enthusiasts forming up to play a part in the events and trying to get a feel for the real thing.

 

Regrettably for you, your preferred skillset is not available in the main servers as those that appreciate the online experience fly full real and work with other pilots in tactics and joint ventures.

 

So please, don't insinuate that online players are only attracted by those attributes that you denigrate so easily. Those are features that are just elements of the larger whole. Measuring others by your standards (which appear to be limited and angry) will get you into a whole lot of dialogue in these forums.

 

Step back and take a look at the bigger picture.

Pot, kettle.

 

Some of us are unwilling or unable to structure our lives around online events. We fly offline in small bits at a time, with constant interruptions, and getting 30 mins in a block at once is a major accomplishment. I have as much interest in what those players care about as I do which tractor the farmers in eastern Kansas are buying. I have no connection to that life anymore than I do Kansas farmers. So when a product utterly fails at providing what I wanted out of it (which its predecessors did much better), to then hear people whine about how the DN engine will be a "major step backward" because it can't project cracks in the glass with the right prismatic shifts or allow them to click on magnetos for the few seconds of each flight it would be needed, while it's been more than capable of being what CloD was supposed to be for me (aside from WWI instead of WWII), what kind of impression do you think that makes?

 

It's better to drive a Toyota than stare at the Ferrari in the garage that doesn't go.

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Do things have a weird way of panning out or what? The Rise of Flight and Cliffs of Dover weren't on very good terms with each other before and now we find ourselves massed together under 1C Games Studios.  Differences and impossible-to-dispute opinions need to be put aside.  This move was done for the greater good of both Rise of Flight and Battle of Stalingrad.  Polarizing our community (yes, community, singular) at such an early stage is going to screw us in the end.  Time to put our pettiness aside.    

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Started flying on-line in IL2 and had years of enjoyment.

 

Took to ROF as IL2 wound down and love the sim.

 

Have COD and like flying in that too since the final patch.

 

Keep them coming!!

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Meh, you have muppets in both camps, and us Clodders are fairly well used to such things :P Trust me, there's no shortage of muppets in our camp :P

 

Lol, yeah we did kind of corner the market over at the Banana republic. 

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Give IL2:Cliffs of Dover a try and join us online! No need to frustrate yourself with Rise of Flight anymore.

 

Buy the game on steam for the price of around 2 or 3 aircraft from Rise of Flight and FLY ALL 20 OF THEM!

 

I hope to see you online!

 

 

 

How is that? ^  - Now you know how we felt.

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Jeez, I leave the forum for two days and you babies have gotten out of control. If you got your feelings hurt because the topic I posted then take a straw and suck it the f*ck up. I made an open invitation in hopes of making both sims better and you guys act like I just hit on your moms.

 

Huevos: grab them if you have them and continue this thread like adults, not like babies.

 

I've said my piece.

 

One could've forgiven you for losing context in your opening post as a simple mistake but now we can all see that you are simply an obtuse, clumsy and arrogant ignoramus.

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How is that? ^  - Now you know how we felt.

Any chance of "newcomers guide to finding good CloD game" here in free subject ;) ? Or are 1c forums necessary part of experience?

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Any chance of "newcomers guide to finding good CloD game" here in free subject ;) ? Or are 1c forums necessary part of experience?

A good CloD game? Join the ATAG server any day of the week for that.

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A good CloD game? Join the ATAG server any day of the week for that.

+1 - or night of the week!

 

But remember that it is based in 1940  so make sure you hook up under teamspeak 3 (it's a new invovation refered to a "radio telephone" and is not classed as cheeting!)

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Any chance of "newcomers guide to finding good CloD game" here in free subject ;) ? Or are 1c forums necessary part of experience?

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3654577/Modded_stock_RAF_campaign_New_.html#Post3654577

would be a good 'second step' for those interested in single player campaigns (I would recommend a little 'training' before diving into a campaign)

 

In my own campaigns I include a rather long readme which attempts to describe some of the 'work arounds' and some hints on getting reasonable performance. Here's some of the relevant(?) bits

 

If i haven't scared you off, i'd now like to discuss  some of Cod's limitations (and how to get round some of them)  :-

 

TAKEOFFS

For some unknown reason CoD require you to engage autopilot to 'register your plane with the AI (almost criminal imho).

When NOT flying as Staffel leader this isn't too bad- you only need to apply autopilot briefly- until given clearance from ground control. As you normally fly as No 3 in the formation AI starts to apply throttle at this point. If you are quick you can disengage at this point and takeoff manually and fly the rest of the mission by hand. (you can  set any controls if you wish before engaging autopilot- but you will have to be quick!)

When flying as formation leader it is recommended that you allow autopilot to fly to at least the first waypoint otherwise your Staffel will completely ignore you. I'm not happy about this but it is the lesser of 2 evils.(i hate airstarts)

 

LANDINGS

Something else that is a problem.

CoD lands planes in reverse order- so if you are leading the formation you land last. it is recommended that you maintain formation and circle until your 'rottenhund' peels off to land then follow him in at an appropriate distance and land.

If you are damged/low on fuel then go ahead and get down however/wherever you can, but it is recommended that you issue a FAR spacing command to your wingman/formation as  this will reduce the probability of them crashing as you land.

 

COQUELLES

This airfield has a couple of 'pits' in the terrain off the runways so make all landings on the designated runways if possible.

This is also a reason for not using 'spawn parked' takeoffs

there are also the unhistoric aircraft 'huts' which are hard coded so cannot be removed.- at least till we get the fabled SDK

 

 

COMMS

Comms now do 'work' -although not always in a fashion one would like.

Rejoin squadron by using near spacing command (tab-1-6-6-2-2)- may take some time in combat and if they 'run away', Far spacing combined with agressive manoevers  is the nearest I can get to a 'break' command on being 'bounced'.

Attacks can be initiated a bit better by issuing a 'recall' quickly when they decide to attack on own- then when you are in a favourable/close position use attack by type/viewport (eg tab-1-6-5-5)

 

AI

It is improving (partic from 1.07 on) but is still nowhere near perfect. In partic the 'RTB dummies' is still a great immersion destroyer. One day, maybe....

 

CLOUDS

These are still a killer for some people, but they really do make for  immersion (imho) - even with the current limitations.

There is a separate folder 'Cloud Free' which contains versions of the missions with all clouds removed. Replace the normal missions with these on a one by one basis as required is my suggestion.

 

ALTITUDE

Due to CoD's inability to cope with flights above~7km some of the flights heights are reduced from historical. I have tried to simulate the increased heights flown in later missions - hopefully one day.....

 

SCRIPTING

I'm a complete noob at this, and as such scripting is very basic. In general a mission is succesful if you manage to return to the Pas De Calais alive,  however when you are escorting bombers failure will occur if too many bombers are lost

 

SERVER MESSAGES

I recommend turning these off- not only would you not get these reports in real life but also CoD gives reports of 'crashed' aircraft after they land- this also shows up in end of mission 'debrief'- bloody annoying.

 

FPS

This can be a problem in some missions. I've cut down some missions (often considerably) to reduce fps drops but there are points where it struggles. If you are having problems with certain missions i would suggest these settings being the first ones to look at:-

 

if drop is around bomber formations drop texture quality to high (or even lower?) This is a big problem with bombers, HE111 in particular even with lower settings. This is worse now than in 1.05

switch off shadows

Drop land shading

drop effects to medium(or lower)

drop trees to off (or low)

If problem is at low level then switching grass off can help with 'stuttering' as can reducing trees.

 

Switching to a less zoomed in view, as can switching off the map when things get 'heavy'. can sometimes help

Psuedo mode may also help some(ati users in partic apparently)

 

These are the settings that affect my rig the most in these situations, however your mileage may vary (and yes some of these settings aren't very 'pretty' but they may help make some missions more playable)

 

I have also done a set of missions with all clouds removed, copy these over the campaign missions, allowing  to overwrite. I would suggest only doing this on a mission by mission basis if you encounter problems with clouds/fps.

all the missions that are 'plane heavy' have no clouds anyway, so 'replacing' them will gave no effect.

 

 

 

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One could've forgiven you for losing context in your opening post as a simple mistake but now we can all see that you are simply an obtuse, clumsy and arrogant ignoramus.

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Take one please...

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One could've forgiven you for losing context in your opening post as a simple mistake but now we can all see that you are simply an obtuse, clumsy and arrogant ignoramus.

 

Uhhh.. wow...   :huh: :

 

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Regardless, I actually did what exhausted said in his somewhat badly phrased first post in this thread, and installed the free version of RoF today. I'd have to say that while it might not rival CLoD in terms of realism, it's definitely an enjoyable experience. Tried out both the Spad 13.C1 and the Albatross D.va, but found the Spad to be the more enjoyable aircraft to fly. Of course, managed to get shot down by AA once in the Spad, and ripped the wings off the Alby when pulling out of a dive too sharply, but hey, still fun.

 

Didn't try it online, but might try that tomorrow IF I can get my damn flightstick to function properly again. Having some seriously bad jitter-issues with it and axis-bleed (pulling back on the stick immediately kicks in both some yaw and roll-commands, which makes hitting things rather hard since the nose of the aircraft is all over the place.

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Tried it and liked it? What more could I ask for.... :D

 

Fokker DVIII - this will help you compete with Camels online...

 

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http://riseofflight.com/en/store/planes/Fokker_DVIII

 

Sopwith Camel - this, of coarse, is the gold standard. If you fly well with the SPAD you may not benefit from this, but if you want to turn and burn, this is your bird.

 

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http://riseofflight.com/en/store/planes/Sopwith_Camel

 

Have fun fordmonkey!

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Been flying the Spad mostly, since it's handling is more in line with what I prefer. I did find fighting other aircraft to be a serious challenge, though, mostly due to the issues with visibility (or lack of it, more precisely).

 

All in all it's not a bad sim. Ground-textures are a bit bland and it might not be quite up to par with what I've seen in CLoD, but still: Quite enjoyable, and highly challenging in it's own way. You very quickly find out that applying a little rudder in a turn will make you snap-turn like you had a horde of Fokker's on your tail :)

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My first Combat Flight Sim was Rowan's Battle of Britain. This was closely followed by European Air War and eventually Il-2 and finally RoF and Cliffs of Dover. All have been excellent games and most if not all have earned their monies worth in my book. Why the fuss? Why the World War 2 vs World War 1 outlook? I'm just as interested in the Eastern Front as I am now in the World War 1 Western Front. There's nothing wrong with having a preference over the other either, that's what opinions are all about, but there is no need to denigrate the either side.

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Tried it and liked it? What more could I ask for.... :D

 

Fokker DVIII - this will help you compete with Camels online...

 

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http://riseofflight.com/en/store/planes/Fokker_DVIII

 

Sopwith Camel - this, of coarse, is the gold standard. If you fly well with the SPAD you may not benefit from this, but if you want to turn and burn, this is your bird.

 

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http://riseofflight.com/en/store/planes/Sopwith_Camel

 

Have fun fordmonkey!

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I think I'm doing it wrong...........

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Hehe. That you managed to bring the bird down in a manner that didn't kill you marks you as a better pilot than I am :D

 

@Exhausted: Name is the same as here, although I've yet to try out MP. Fiddling about trying to learn not to die quite so often just because there happens to be an enemy aircraft nearby..

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@Hooves: at least the Camel doesn't flip. Give the Dolphin a try, but make sure you have a snap view bound to 'duck', so when it invariably turns over on its back on landing, you don't end up with a dead pilot. :P

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