Alternative draft for censored Hakenkreuz / Swastika (for custom skins)

[kraut1]

Hi All,

@LukeFF First to avoid misunderstandings: I don't want that all official german skins are changed.

I don' t like the current censored Hakenkreuz very much, because in the center there is absolutely nothing.

What do you all think about this for custom skins? I don't say that it is good, but maybe it is less worse?

Maybe similar could be done with the finnish one.

I suppose it is legal. Or are there other regulations that I don't know?

(original skin by E69_julian57)

[jollyjack]

Looks better ...

[kraut1]

and a proposal for the finnish one, to avoid the huge empty white center:

download link modified skin:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/blla4ycu6pnaj2x8x9k5x/bf109g6_skin_15_alternativ-sw.zip?rlkey=hwii2vp3z6r3e9vhyk8t3l4ss&st=fqz53c7n&dl=0

 

Edited November 8, 2024 by kraut1

[Trooper117]

I hate the whole censorship thing... thank god I live in a country that allows us to enjoy history in a game when all said and done... for the German aircraft I'd say just leave it off, we all know that the markings that the devs put on all represent the Nazi swastika...

For the poor old Finns they have really drawn the short straw... we all know they were using their version of the swastika long before the Jerries decided to use it and it doesn't have the same meaning as the Nazis use it to symbolise.

[kraut1]

21 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

I hate the whole censorship thing... thank god I live in a country that allows us to enjoy history in a game when all said and done... for the German aircraft I'd say just leave it off, we all know that the markings that the devs put on all represent the Nazi swastika...

For the poor old Finns they have really drawn the short straw... we all know they were using their version of the swastika long before the Jerries decided to use it and it doesn't have the same meaning as the Nazis use it to symbolise.

I agree with you more or less 100%

 

-German planes with removed german swastika and without censored one: could be okay, but not available

(but I am curious how it would look and so I downloaded the template and created my very first skin.../see below)

 

-banned finnish swastika: yes, this not fair, but there seem to be some regulations / laws.

But from my point of view: we simply need something that looks good.

Especially for the soon comming finnish planes.

And especially the current censored finnish insignia with the big empty center does not look good (my personal point of view).

So my proposal is just an idea to avoid ugly looking planes. But of course there might be better designs than mine, no problem for me.

 

My first selfmade skin: a late war FW190A8 without nothing to be censored / I like it, thanks for the suggestion @Trooper117 and thanks for the Gimp Guide @vonPilsner.

 

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

-banned finnish swastika: yes, this not fair,

 

It's absolutely not fair... do other countries that fought for the Germans have their national markings doctored in any way?... it's just a jab in the eye for the Finns as I see it.

[Aapje]

1 hour ago, kraut1 said:

-banned finnish swastika: yes, this not fair, but there seem to be some regulations / laws.

 

As far as I can tell there are no laws against this anywhere, as it is not Nazi symbology. Of course, the general issue is that there are a lot of ignorant people who think that only the Nazi's used the swastika (or the counter-clockwise sauwastika), so they equate the swastika with Naziism, rather than understanding that it is only a Nazi symbol in certain contexts.

 

And idiocy rules the world, so it doesn't necessarily matter that you are technically correct, when the legal system or the media imposes their lies on you. And 1CGS is probably extra at risk, given their nation of origin.

[David_4555]

Imo it works a lot better for the finnish roundel but as far as german skins go i prefer the 1C version

[Trooper117]

20 minutes ago, David_4555 said:

as german skins go i prefer the 1C version

 

Which is pretty daft... from where it's positioned we know for sure it represents the German swastika, there is no getting away from that... if the thing is banned in Russia then just have it removed, it's a no brainer...

[BraveSirRobin]

9 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Which is pretty daft... from where it's positioned we know for sure it represents the German swastika, there is no getting away from that... if the thing is banned in Russia then just have it removed, it's a no brainer...

They had a poll at the beginning of the GB project and the community voted for the current option.  I was one of the people who voted for this, but now I regret it.

[Aapje]

At least it is not an issue for Korea and the Pacific.

[David_4555]

Imo the best solution for Finnish roundels is to use the post-war one like in IL2 1946 even though it's incorrect, at least it looks nice

[LukeFF]

We're straying far too close to politics here, guys. Let's please watch it.

[Hanu]

The best solution is to fly "Mods on". The only one, actually.

 

That way I can also use non-glossy default skins. Sadly multiplay is quite limited after that.

 

In old IL-2 it was nicely done; you could enable (with a mod that did not spoil multiplayer) historical skins for only you to see.