Brief Room Episode 2: 2023 In Review, Plans For 2024, A Glimpse At The Upcoming Title

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

Perhaps ‘politeness’ starts at home? If members posts are going to mysteriously disappear perhaps it might be polite to let them know why?

 

I've had quite a few posts just disappear, it really makes me angry...  is it too much to let people know directly or by PM why on earth they have been removed? I find that really bad mannered.

I'm from a different generation from many here... I'm not politically correct, I hate anything 'woke' because that's just me. I also know I'm a good person for all that, easy to get along with, and I enjoy some good banter, giving it and taking it.

Things have changed here since Jason and Wardog have left... think on and make of that what you will...

[LuftManu]

Okay, I will go for one more offtopic here @Trooper117 @Gambit21

I can see some complaints and I am sure there are some post caught in the crossfire. If that is what happened, then I am sorry if I hid a post it didn't need to be hidden. (And I am sure the rest of the team too) I can also attest that there were some nasty things said to another members so in that case, something had to be done. In all seriouness, it was really nasty.

 

So, if we all understand that personal attacks, political comments and of course the rest of the rules are out of bound... I can say that I can take the extra time to explain why I some post are hidden. Of course this is a huge amount of time, but I would be more relaxed (and I hope you would be too).

 

Please if anybody feels their message has been hidden, write a PM and I am sure we all have a reason. Of course, we can not agree, but abiding by the rules I hope we can come to an understanding.

 

Let's try and focus again on the topic (I will be reading PMs tomorrow and happy to answer).

[Mainstay]

So it seems to be Korea? To lazy to go through all the pages ??

 

Thats to bad… ? really not my cup of tea. Was really hoping for the pacific theatre (zeros, dauntlesses and many more)…

 

Guess the IL2 story ends for me here. 
Wake me up when the above scenario happens ?

[Avimimus]

I would request that people don't discuss moderation decisions here as it violates rule 6:

 

 

Send a direct message to the moderators or the community manager. We can even set up a private discussion with everyone who is interested to get/give feedback. But Rule 6 will be enforced moving forward (see above), for consistency we do have to try to apply rules impartially.

 

P.S. I do try to let people know why a post had to be hidden, and I often send a copy of the post to the person in question (so they have access to it, in case they want to repost a modified version of it). Several of you can attest to this. It is time consuming to do. If someone hides a post without explanation (because they are too busy), then you can always reach out and ask.

[BraveSirRobin]

Ok, I think I understand the new rules.  If the developer posts a video that includes an IL10 and B-29, which means they’re obviously hinting that the next game is Korea, if someone says “well, it might not be Korea”, I am not longer allowed to say “don’t be ridiculous, of course it’s Korea”.  Now I have to say, “well, I suppose all the obvious signs that it’s Korea could totally be a scam.  Maybe it’s… um…um…”.  
 

Ok, I guess I don’t understand the new rules.  Because it’s obviously Korea.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I've had quite a few posts just disappear, it really makes me angry...  is it too much to let people know directly or by PM why on earth they have been removed? I find that really bad mannered.

I'm from a different generation from many here... I'm not politically correct, I hate anything 'woke' because that's just me. I also know I'm a good person for all that, easy to get along with, and I enjoy some good banter, giving it and taking it.

Things have changed here since Jason and Wardog have left... think on and make of that what you will...

You hate anything "woke"?    What does that mean?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Ok, I think I understand the new rules.  If the developer posts a video that includes an IL10 and B-29, which means they’re obviously hinting that the next game is Korea, if someone says “well, it might not be Korea”, I am not longer allowed to say “don’t be ridiculous, of course it’s Korea”.  Now I have to say, “well, I suppose all the obvious signs that it’s Korea could totally be a scam.  Maybe it’s… um…um…”.  
 

Ok, I guess I don’t understand the new rules.  Because it’s obviously Korea.

Yeah,  LukeFF was asked if the Korean war object images posted in the video were were a oversight missed by the proof reader, or they were intentionally placed there as examples of things they are working on.  He responded (paraphrase) they were there on purpose.   I don't think those images were intended to mislead us, so it appears pretty obvious it's gonna be Korea.   

 

Hope it sells well for them.

Edited January 15, 2024 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[BraveSirRobin]

6 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

 

  I don't they those images were included to mislead us, so it appears pretty obvious it's gonna be Korea.   

 

Hope it sells well for them.

It never even crossed my mind that they would try to mislead us.  What possible reason could there be for them to do that?

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

21 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It never even crossed my mind that they would try to mislead us.  What possible reason could there be for them to do that?

Why didn't they just come out and tell us what theater the next installment was to be in?  Why all the secrecy,  and then post theater specific pictures.  What was that all about?  Love to hear your opinion. 

Edited January 15, 2024 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[Gambit21]

Just now, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Why didn't they just come out and tell us what theater the next installment was to be in?  Why all the secrecy,  and then post theater specific pictures?   

Ever hear of a rock and a hard place?

That’s where they are.

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Why didn't they just come out and tell us what theater the next installment was to be in?  Why all the secrecy,  and then post theater specific pictures.  What was that all about?  Love to hear your opinion. 

There isn’t any secrecy.  They told us.  The B-29 and IL10 images made it blindingly obvious what they’re doing.  

[DD_Arthur]

23 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It never even crossed my mind that they would try to mislead us.  What possible reason could there be for them to do that?

Look BSR, there’s rules about politeness here now.

You’ve gotta work on your phraseology and your mood music and go with the flow.

 

Think of Noel Coward. It’s the late nineteen fifties. He’s standing on a beach in the Caribbean looking out to sea.

In the background are a bunch of young men in shorts. It’s around ninety degrees but he’s wearing a blue velvet smoking jacket and has a long cigarette holder in his right hand.

He turns, looks directly at the camera and speaks in that languid drawl of the British upper classes;

 

”Korea young man? Of course it’s Korea you f#*kwit. Now go and get some more dog to put on the barbi. Rock and his friends will be getting hungry.”

 

See how this works? Much better ?

 

Now, what is this thing called ‘woke’?

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

50 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

 

52 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Ever hear of a rock and a hard place?

That’s where they are.

Certainly.   But missing the meaning.   Please explain. 

[Gambit21]

3 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Before the images...

…there were plenty of clues. ? 

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Before the images...

They weren’t sure that they could do the stuff that they needed to do for Korea.  And they’re probably not ready for an official announcement.  So they threw us a bone.  A giant, obvious, Korea shaped bone.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

51 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

There isn’t any secrecy.  They told us.  The B-29 and IL10 images made it blindingly obvious what they’re doing.  

 

Before the images..

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46 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

They weren’t sure that they could do the stuff that they needed to do for Korea.  And they’re probably not ready for an official announcement.  So they threw us a bone.  A giant, obvious, Korea shaped bone.

 

That's right..  it was a secret. 

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

That's right..  it was a secret. 

And now  it isn’t.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

44 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

And now  it isn’t.

 

Right again.  Thanks to the images and confirmation from an official team member that they are official works in process.

[BraveSirRobin]

50 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Look BSR, there’s rules about politeness here now.

You’ve gotta work on your phraseology and your mood music and go with the flow.

 

Think of Noel Coward. It’s the late nineteen fifties. He’s standing on a beach in the Caribbean looking out to sea.

In the background are a bunch of young men in shorts. It’s around ninety degrees but he’s wearing a blue velvet smoking jacket and has a long cigarette holder in his right hand.

He turns, looks directly at the camera and speaks in that languid drawl of the British upper classes;

 

”Korea young man? Of course it’s Korea you f#*kwit. Now go and get some more dog to put on the barbi. Rock and his friends will be getting hungry.”

 

See how this works? Much better ?

 

Now, what is this thing called ‘woke’?

Love this post.  But I saw a news article recently that said that “dog on the barbi “ is no longer legal in Korea.  Sorry for your loss.  And I mean that in the most polite sense possible.

 

43 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Right again.  Thanks to the images and confirmation from an official team member that they are official works in process.

There was no need for “confirmation”.  The video was obviously official.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

4 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Love this post.  But I saw a news article recently that said that “dog on the barbi “ is no longer legal in Korea.  Sorry for your loss.  And I mean that in the most polite sense possible.

There was no need for “confirmation”.  The video was obviously official.

Right....?

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Right....?

The people in the video were the top executives in this dev team.  The idea that we needed more confirmation than that is completely ridiculous.  And I mean that as politely as possible.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Yes, the same team who said they would not comment on the new theater..

 

Anyway....hope Korea sells well for them .

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Yes, the same team who said they would not comment on the new theater..

 

Anyway....hope Korea sells well for them .

Things change.  They threw us a bone.  It was a nice gesture.  I’m sure it will sell.  Who doesn’t love F-86s v MiG15s?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Properly done, as I'm sure it will be, Korea offers something for almost everyone that likes virtual air combat.  High speed, high altitude engagements, and plenty of things on the ground that need blowing up, and a wide variety of machines to accomplish both those things.  After 20+ years of the same old thing, I look forward to something different, which Korea will amply offer us.

 

I'm optimistic, and I don't care about motives, or speculation on why or why not communication has been what it is.  What is important is that the genre is moving forward, which is something we all should be happy about.

[Metrallaroja]

6 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Why didn't they just come out and tell us what theater the next installment was to be in?  Why all the secrecy,  and then post theater specific pictures.  What was that all about?  Love to hear your opinion. 

Maybe they just wanted to create noise and hype before the official announcement.

Edited January 15, 2024 by Metrallaroja

[=621=Samikatz]

I suspect the full announcement will come when they have something they can sell (even if just in an alpha state) to maximise the hype

[sevenless]

13 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I suspect the full announcement will come when they have something they can sell (even if just in an alpha state) to maximise the hype

 

Thats exactly what Han has said in the past. Until then, everything else is speculation and guesswork to keep the topic alive.

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Properly done, as I'm sure it will be, Korea offers something for almost everyone that likes virtual air combat.  High speed, high altitude engagements, and plenty of things on the ground that need blowing up, and a wide variety of machines to accomplish both those things.  After 20+ years of the same old thing, I look forward to something different, which Korea will amply offer us.

 

I'm optimistic, and I don't care about motives, or speculation on why or why not communication has been what it is.  What is important is that the genre is moving forward, which is something we all should be happy about.

You might be correct in every way. But I do other things with other brands when doing something else. 
I was hoping for New Guinea in a refreshed sim with more complex dm and working comms. For doing something else for something else. To me this is one less thing to do. But again wise choice or not is up to sales not me

[76IAP-Black]

After many weeks reading this forum, being affected by something I couldn't point a finger at, it hit me.

It is not a problem to have a new project on the desk, new content, DLC or a change in the engine software, or even developing something new.

The biggest problem that hit many people here at the forum and changed the discussion "atmosphere" between the people and fans of the il2 Franchise.

What realy happen was a hard cut, of weekly informations, weekly updates and devblog.

We had a feeling of continuation, connection and communication with the development team of our beloved simgame.
The current "bad" situation is caused by our "impression" of lag of information or communications from the Devteam!
If you compare it with other games, development teams, il2 was unique by its weekly updates, provided for many many years.

Right now we have a normal info situation, with sometimes bad "translated" infos, provided by the devs. 
The result is, we are pissed cause we feel, we have lost the connection to the guys who are "responsible" for the success of our ongoing hobby.

All I see, is a missunderstood new situation for us all.

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

15 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Things change.  They threw us a bone.  It was a nice gesture.  I’m sure it will sell.  Who doesn’t love F-86s v MiG15s?

 

I have checked my Swiss bank account and I have no new bone.

 

So this is clearly a trap.

[Noisemaker]

16 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Properly done, as I'm sure it will be, Korea offers something for almost everyone that likes virtual air combat

Nope, not interested.  But that's beating a dead horse at this point.

[DD_Crash]

We will know soonish and vote with our wallets when it happens

[Rjel]

<sigh> Too much secrecy. Too little concern for their customers. <sigh>

 

[Jade_Monkey]

I know many of you are looking for news regarding the Q&A. Here is a quick update from ChatGPT:

 

Quote

Once upon a time in the enigmatic land of Matryoshkaland, renowned Russian translators Boris and Natasha found themselves on a quest of linguistic proportions. Their mission: to uncover the mythical ancient codex that held the secrets to translating an elusive script for a highly anticipated Q&A session.

Armed with dictionaries, a dash of skepticism, and an unhealthy obsession with borscht, the dynamic duo embarked on a journey that would rival the most epic of Russian novels. The codex, said to be hidden in the frosty depths of Siberia, promised answers to the linguistic mysteries that had perplexed even the most cunning translators.

As Boris and Natasha trudged through the snow-covered landscapes, they encountered talking bears, babushkas armed with rolling pins, and the occasional dancing balalaika-playing snowman. The land of Matryoshkaland had a peculiar sense of humor, and it seemed that even the elements conspired to play pranks on the unsuspecting duo.

The codex, they soon discovered, was not just a book but a series of Matryoshka dolls nested within each other. Each layer revealed a new linguistic challenge, from deciphering ancient Russian puns to translating the sassy remarks of a centuries-old babushka spirit.

Amidst the chaos, Boris and Natasha couldn't help but exchange sarcastic remarks about the absurdity of their quest. "Who knew translating could be so entertaining?" quipped Boris as they decoded a particularly cheeky riddle written in rhyming bear poetry.

As they reached the final layer of the codex, the duo found themselves face-to-face with the Matryoshka Oracle, a wise old doll with a penchant for deadpan humor. "You seek the secrets of translation, young linguists?" she intoned with a wry smile. "To master the script, one must understand the delicate dance between vowels and consonants, like a Cossack performing the kazatsky."

With newfound wisdom and a touch of sarcasm, Boris and Natasha returned to the Q&A session armed with their linguistic prowess. The crowd marveled at their ability to translate not just words, but the subtle nuances of Matryoshkaland humor.

And so, the tale of Boris and Natasha, the sarcastic Russian translators, became a legend in the world of linguistics—a reminder that sometimes, the key to unraveling mysteries lies in a good laugh and a well-timed babushka joke.

 

[Frequent_Flyer]

If in fact, it is Korea next.It would be dissapointing to me. In my opionion, the best installment of the original  IL-2 was, Pacific Fighters". However, my  complaint is  the ground textures looked like you were flying over felt. Which would have been remedied by the the " Great Battles " team. Nothing gets the adrenaline pumping like tipping over your dive bomber and seeing the deck of a carrier fill your sight,through all of the AAA .Afterward, being pursued by the emeny fighters back to your carrier, hoping it is still afloat.. I am very much looking forward to the two new maps,alegedly to be released in 2024. I'd pay $50 US for the F2A Buffalo as an add-on the the Karelia map.

[Dusty_Steppes]

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

I know many of you are looking for news regarding the Q&A. Here is a quick update from ChatGPT:

 

 

Boris : "Moose and Squirrel will never stop us now!"

Natasha is heard laughing in the background.

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Once upon a time in the enigmatic land of Matryoshkaland, renowned Russian translators Boris and Natasha found themselves on a quest of linguistic proportions. Their mission: to uncover the mythical ancient codex that held the secrets to translating an elusive script for a highly anticipated Q&A session.

Armed with dictionaries, a dash of skepticism, and an unhealthy obsession with borscht, the dynamic duo embarked on a journey that would rival the most epic of Russian novels. The codex, said to be hidden in the frosty depths of Siberia, promised answers to the linguistic mysteries that had perplexed even the most cunning translators.

As Boris and Natasha trudged through the snow-covered landscapes, they encountered talking bears, babushkas armed with rolling pins, and the occasional dancing balalaika-playing snowman. The land of Matryoshkaland had a peculiar sense of humor, and it seemed that even the elements conspired to play pranks on the unsuspecting duo.

The codex, they soon discovered, was not just a book but a series of Matryoshka dolls nested within each other. Each layer revealed a new linguistic challenge, from deciphering ancient Russian puns to translating the sassy remarks of a centuries-old babushka spirit.

Amidst the chaos, Boris and Natasha couldn't help but exchange sarcastic remarks about the absurdity of their quest. "Who knew translating could be so entertaining?" quipped Boris as they decoded a particularly cheeky riddle written in rhyming bear poetry.

As they reached the final layer of the codex, the duo found themselves face-to-face with the Matryoshka Oracle, a wise old doll with a penchant for deadpan humor. "You seek the secrets of translation, young linguists?" she intoned with a wry smile. "To master the script, one must understand the delicate dance between vowels and consonants, like a Cossack performing the kazatsky."

With newfound wisdom and a touch of sarcasm, Boris and Natasha returned to the Q&A session armed with their linguistic prowess. The crowd marveled at their ability to translate not just words, but the subtle nuances of Matryoshkaland humor.

And so, the tale of Boris and Natasha, the sarcastic Russian translators, became a legend in the world of linguistics—a reminder that sometimes, the key to unraveling mysteries lies in a good laugh and a well-timed babushka joke.

 

[Avimimus]

11 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

After many weeks reading this forum, being affected by something I couldn't point a finger at, it hit me.

It is not a problem to have a new project on the desk, new content, DLC or a change in the engine software, or even developing something new.

The biggest problem that hit many people here at the forum and changed the discussion "atmosphere" between the people and fans of the il2 Franchise.

What realy happen was a hard cut, of weekly informations, weekly updates and devblog.

We had a feeling of continuation, connection and communication with the development team of our beloved simgame.
The current "bad" situation is caused by our "impression" of lag of information or communications from the Devteam!
If you compare it with other games, development teams, il2 was unique by its weekly updates, provided for many many years.

Right now we have a normal info situation, with sometimes bad "translated" infos, provided by the devs. 
The result is, we are pissed cause we feel, we have lost the connection to the guys who are "responsible" for the success of our ongoing hobby.

All I see, is a missunderstood new situation for us all.

 

Yes, this is my impression too... a lot of developers only put out information shortly before release, or maybe provide quarterly or bimonthly updates... we got used to weekly articles with new information and new pictures.

 

It is also worth remembering that this wasn't always the case - earlier on the updates were once every two weeks (and sometimes much further apart than that)... it was only in recent years with a very rapid pace of development for three product lines simultaneously that we were able to get such frequent updates. So we just aren't used to infrequent updates or there being a longer dry-spell between releases.

[tvcasualty]

I will have you know I have flown many hours over the snow covered towns in this game looking for those "babushkas armed with rolling pins" !!

 

4 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

I know many of you are looking for news regarding the Q&A. Here is a quick update from ChatGPT:

 

...And I will not give up

[FTC_Kongoo]

Wow this thread went out of hand...anyways

 

I´m estatic that it seems to be leading into Korea. I´ve dove into reading up on the Korea conflict in the past few years from the aerial perspective and wow, there was A LOT going on. Whats not to like about it? Iconic props such as p-51, F4U corsair. Yak9P , and early jet combat, which is essentially ww2 fighting on steroids.  From 1950-1953 some months of the year had daily scrambles of aircraft, air combat and air to ground raids, with some battles having over 100s of fighters in mig alley, which in itself is not a very extended piece of sky. 

 

I also tried the Mig and Sabre from DCS and still actively fly it and it is IMO , the most unique experience in aircombat you can have, ranging from high altitidude slow paced 3D chess to the low alt fast paced high G action. Those 2 jets are so asymetrically close in performance that I think there hasn´t ever been that kind of parity, in an air combat matchup.

 

Ultimately I think that 1C made the best decision if it does turn out to be Korea. Korea hasn´t been properly developed theatre wise in a flight sim, ever. They won´t really be competing with DCS on that theatre, at least for a few years ( why o' why did they sit on it for a decade?) or any other sim. The theatre has more to offer than a late war eastern front map in terms of content, assets and map variety in relation to the historical accounts. Furthermore, if they had  oriented towards( if they could do it) a pacific themed title they would be competing with DCS and combat pilot.

 

Now, for my concerns: The main one being flight model issues in the great battles series and Il2 has to make improvements in this regard. I´m even skeptical if they will get the uncommanded roll  and aileron reversal right on both jets ( more pronounced in the mig).

 

Hopefully the map will cover the entire peninsula and manchuria instead of dividing into multiples

 

Here is to hoping !

 

See you in the korean skies in a few years! 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2024 by FTC_Vietkong

[Mainstay]

On 1/14/2024 at 5:40 PM, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Why didn't they just come out and tell us what theater the next installment was to be in?  Why all the secrecy,  and then post theater specific pictures.  What was that all about?  Love to hear your opinion. 

 

Maybe its a form of public opinion gathering? Could be sales strategy to see and feel how the market reacts...

 

On 1/14/2024 at 6:16 PM, BraveSirRobin said:

Things change.  They threw us a bone.  It was a nice gesture.  I’m sure it will sell.  Who doesn’t love F-86s v MiG15s?

 

I don't... I really loved the pacific theater in the past IL2. But if Korea is what the majority of the public wants then it is what it is. At the end of the day its a business and there is a need for money to be made. I just have to get my fix elsewhere ?‍?️

[ww2fighter20]

So Korea it is then, I am actually surprised in the end considering:

 

Many planes can't really be used in other well known conflicts, many props if not all are different then their ww2 variants and with the La7/Yak3/Ta152/Ju87D5 planned as collectors there seems to be no plans to return for an late eastern front 1944-1945 module.

 

While there are lots of options for UN/USA, the plane options that people have listed here for the North are lacking for alternative options, only 1 jet (Mig15) and 1 attacker (IL10), aircraft like the Yak11/Yak18/An2 are unlikely to happen and are likely similar in gameplay to the Po2 in ww2, Tu2 is unlikely to happen considering it's an slow medium bomber and the devs have not shown much interest last years to make these type of planes flyable, only Li-2 and Ar234 were exceptions since 1 is famous (Li-2) and another is an jet bomber in a ww2 setting (Ar234), fighters like the Yak9P and La9/La11 to my knowledge can't carry bombs so if they don't provide an competitive edge over UN/USA fighter aircraft I don't see many people flying them for long.

 

Korea was an forgotten war so most people don't know about it, there was also an unofficial poll back when Normandy was announced with 828 votes in which Korea came last place (76 votes) and even Battle of France was more popular (131 votes), Jason also wanted to do Italy 1943 next which is second place in poll (243 votes) and afterwards Late eastern front which was voted 2x more compared to korea (185 votes), I also don't see much enthusiasm for korea on the russian forum.

 

The poll : https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/65215-what-kind-of-module-would-you-like-to-see-after-bon/

 

Edited January 16, 2024 by ww2fighter20
changed link to poll to remove image