Screenshot taken from Work In Progress VR Visual Update Beta

[ATAG_Snapper]

The historical background of the picture. It shows P/O John Gibson of No 501 Squadron in Hurricane P3582 SD-E on 15th August 1940. Gibson has just shot down a Ju 87B (Lehrgeschwader 1). He will attack a second Stuka but is hit by its tail gunner. He has to bail out with a parachute. P3582 crashes on fire between Dover and Folkstone.

 

Screenshot supplied by Team Fusion Simulations
 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 minutes ago, Riley said:

Screenshot supplied by Team Fusion Simulations

 

 

VR clod is a myth change my mind

 

 

[BOO]

@Riley I have to ask as this has all the poise and fine eye for detail of Larry69's excellent work, the historical nature of the shot also makes me suspect  - so  is it a screenshot or is it Larry's art based on a screenshot? 

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hi Boo,

 

You've got a good eye. It's indeed a screenshot in 4K taken from the MEV84 version of the Beta.

[BOO]

15 minutes ago, Riley said:

Hi Boo,

 

You've got a good eye. It's indeed a screenshot in 4K taken from the MEV84 version of the Beta.

Thanks Snappa - sorry to press but that an unedited, un post processed screenshot?

[No.54_Reddog]

The quality of the VR implementation shows through.

[Sokol1]

This effects could please WT fans, but don't see improvement in this fire and spray, subpar from originals. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by Sokol1

[OBT-Eazy]

28 minutes ago, Sokol1 said:

This effects could please WT fans, but don't see improvement in this fire and spray, subpar from originals. 

 

 

 

Frankly, during a dogfight I don't have time to count the particles from an explosion or the realism of the flames. The most important thing is to keep a good SA.

[Dagwoodyt]

Posting screenshots, doctored or not, doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile at this point. Maybe the Steam Sale will help improve game stats.

[OBT-Eazy]

43 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Posting screenshots, doctored or not, doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile at this point. Maybe the Steam Sale will help improve game stats.

 

 

It's time to finally CLEARLY express the substance of your thoughts so that we can finally move on to something else, something more interesting perhaps because your insinuations and your ulterior motives are not clear.

[FurphyForum]

Just saying

I thought his comments ( @Dagwoodyt ) above clearly expressed his thoughts given the TF feedback blackout.

[OBT-Eazy]

9 minutes ago, FurphyForum said:

Just saying

I thought his comments ( @Dagwoodyt ) above clearly expressed his thoughts given the TF feedback blackout.

So he's clearly trapped in an infinite loop.  I had hoped it was deeper than that.
Thanks, I can therefore ignore his future comments now that I know the very essence of his interventions.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

5 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Posting screenshots, doctored or not, doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile at this point. Maybe the Steam Sale will help improve game stats.

 

 

That's one of your obsessions same as you are one of the obssessed. Statistics aren't the point here. As a reminder, Dagwoodyt, this is a screenshots section, like many others in video game forums. We could have expected that screenshots are posted, more or less appreciated and... that's all. But no, even these screenshot posts here, apparently, need to be drifted. At some point in the future I'll seriously start asking for moderation in cases like this one. Enough is enough.

 

 

[No.54_Reddog]

Dagwoods contribution IS a screenshot. It just doesn't have pretty planes in it.

[BOO]

9 hours ago, OBT-Eazy said:

 

Frankly, during a dogfight I don't have time to count the particles from an explosion or the realism of the flames. The most important thing is to keep a good SA.

Sokol makes a valid point about the appearences of certain effects which are, in some cases not as pleasing to the eye or realistic as in their ealier albeit perfomance demanding forms. Its a straw man argument simply to state ones eyes should be elsewhere. Over the years some of the changes made to certain effects and paramters from the original have been a mixed bag ranging from necessary and good to ones which appear to have been changed for the sake of change. 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by BOO

[Dagwoodyt]

On 3/16/2023 at 9:21 AM, Riley said:

The historical background of the picture. It shows P/O John Gibson of No 501 Squadron in Hurricane P3582 SD-E on 15th August 1940. Gibson has just shot down a Ju 87B (Lehrgeschwader 1). He will attack a second Stuka but is hit by its tail gunner. He has to bail out with a parachute. P3582 crashes on fire between Dover and Folkstone.

 

Screenshot supplied by Team Fusion Simulations
 

Explicitly or O/W the question at issue is whether this subsection should be reserved for screenshots or should accept unattributed "artwork". Only the OP can respond as to whether or not this screenshot includes "artwork". My screenshot does not.

Edited March 18, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[BOO]

30 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Explicitly or O/W the question at issue is whether this subsection should be reserved for screenshots or should accept unattributed "artwork". Only the OP can respond as to whether or not this screenshot includes "artwork". My screenshot does not.

Well there plenty of other expamles of post processed art/screenshots in the thread (and indeed any titles threads) - Larry isnt prone to adding flights of fancy. What he majors on is composition and enhancing what is there so as to make it a great image one can look at for a long period of time. Ive never seen a single true ingame screenshot from any title that made be go "wow". 

 

I have no problem with post processing of this nature. For those of us who apprciate and follow Larry's work weve come to expect some refinement over and above a raw image. 

 

Where the mark is missed slighlty is that, as a publicity tool placed into a forum where things from TFS are scritinised the absense of certain transparency detracts - it becomes difficult to know for certain what is what which, in turn, impacts on the assurity of the level of improvement we can expect to see. 

 

In and of itself, the images is great. One of the best Ive seen produced from the title - had Larry posted this, we wouldnt be having this conversation. But Larry hasnt posted it. TFS has. All thats required is a little transperency i think. My takeaway is that this is essentially what you can expect but better because you are looking at it longer as a piece of art. Its no nefarous photshopped major art overhaul to fool the masses. Just Clod VU on a really good day.  It would just be nice to have that acknowledged. 

[ATAG_Snapper]

4 hours ago, BOO said:

Well there plenty of other expamles of post processed art/screenshots in the thread (and indeed any titles threads) - Larry isnt prone to adding flights of fancy. What he majors on is composition and enhancing what is there so as to make it a great image one can look at for a long period of time. Ive never seen a single true ingame screenshot from any title that made be go "wow". 

 

I have no problem with post processing of this nature. For those of us who apprciate and follow Larry's work weve come to expect some refinement over and above a raw image. 

 

Where the mark is missed slighlty is that, as a publicity tool placed into a forum where things from TFS are scritinised the absense of certain transparency detracts - it becomes difficult to know for certain what is what which, in turn, impacts on the assurity of the level of improvement we can expect to see. 

 

In and of itself, the images is great. One of the best Ive seen produced from the title - had Larry posted this, we wouldnt be having this conversation. But Larry hasnt posted it. TFS has. All thats required is a little transperency i think. My takeaway is that this is essentially what you can expect but better because you are looking at it longer as a piece of art. Its no nefarous photshopped major art overhaul to fool the masses. Just Clod VU on a really good day.  It would just be nice to have that acknowledged. 

Well, ask him yourself. Clearly, my reply was insufficient.

[Dagwoodyt]

2 hours ago, Riley said:

Well, ask him yourself. Clearly, my reply was insufficient.

It might be beneficial to post relevant part of the mission video in 4k if one exists.

Edited March 18, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[BOO]

On 3/16/2023 at 6:13 PM, BOO said:

Thanks Snappa - sorry to press but that an unedited, un post processed screenshot?

 

2 hours ago, Riley said:

Well, ask him yourself. Clearly, my reply was insufficient.

 

I though it a straight forward enough question.  

[Larry69]

Hello all,
Here is some information about this picture and how it was taken. First of all, the picture was not commissioned by TFS at all. On the contrary. I wanted to depict (as so often in my pictures) a historical representation of an actual scene as it happened in WWII. Of course in a somewhat dramatic overdrawn presentation (as we know it from BOX type of plastic models), for the Facebook page "Hawker Hurricane Apprication" which is interested in the technical and historical side of the aircraft. Less with flight sim PC gaming. Well I took the picture, and asked TFS if I could publish it. Coupled with additional game version information I had to add, TFS agreed. So the intention of showing something here is much more historical than Flight Sim technical. Interpreting anything here about the progress of "Cliffs" is a waste of time.

All my pictures are "edited"! Either before the screenshot was taken, or after. I want you to see something exciting in my pictures that makes an impression. Every painter does the same. Only the tools are different.

My pictures come from missions I have done in the FMB. And these are missions that are created ONLY for this one picture! So everything is posed! An example: The barrage balloons were placed so that you can see them in the picture! Neither the position nor the location of the winches (both winches are under the lighthouses) is historically correct. If they were in the harbour basin, they would be behind the smoke columns.
It took me about 50-70 approaches (mission launches) to get everything the way I wanted it. Burning (!) Stuka, parachutes, balloons, Dover harbour recognisable, Hurricane Skin, S/N of the Hurricane and Radiocall letters in view, Hurricane in sunlight etc etc.. It no longer has anything to do with an exciting mission in a flight sim. But I am not interested in that, but in the interesting historical flight of P/O John Gibson of the No 501 Squadron on 15 August 1940 at midday that I wanted to depict.

 

Thats the original Screenshot of the game. Not post edited.

 

Hurricane P3582 still without Sqn Letters

 

 

Two Sides of a "Wing Leader" Book that show Actions of the 15th August 1940. Look at the nice Story of John Gibsons new pair of Shoes!

 

 

 

Larry69

https://imgur.com/HeC

Edited March 18, 2023 by Larry69

[343KKT_Kintaro]

6 hours ago, Larry69 said:

My pictures come from missions I have done in the FMB. And these are missions that are created ONLY for this one picture! So everything is posed! An example: The barrage balloons were placed so that you can see them in the picture! Neither the position nor the location of the winches (both winches are under the lighthouses) is historically correct. If they were in the harbour basin, they would be behind the smoke columns.
It took me about 50-70 approaches (mission launches) to get everything the way I wanted it. Burning (!) Stuka, parachutes, balloons, Dover harbour recognisable, Hurricane Skin, S/N of the Hurricane and Radiocall letters in view, Hurricane in sunlight etc etc.. It no longer has anything to do with an exciting mission in a flight sim. But I am not interested in that, but in the interesting historical flight of P/O John Gibson of the No 501 Squadron on 15 August 1940 at midday that I wanted to depict.

 

 

One word only: wow!

 

Larry69... or the supreme art of taking one screenshot. And not postedited, not in this instance.

 

Now let's go back off topic again and talk about statistics, I'm sure we need at least one of those charming obssessed gentlemen intervenes once more in the thread.

 

 

[BOO]

That’s more than a sufficient answer @Larry69  thank you. And outstanding work as ever. 
 

A clearer  “yes it’s a Larry image but it’s not post processed” from TFS would have equally sufficed. 
 

My point wasn’t to stir the pot. The game is looking great. TFS are no doubt proud of that and should be too. Sometimes an image looks too good to be true. That it is true ( albeit with the advantage of an expert eye in composition) is something I’d certainly be making much clearer if it were me. 
 

Ultimately the detail and look of this stock in game image is not far short of the commissioned “box art” of other titles. That’s something to shout about I think.