How Far Across the Channel is "Safe?" in Career

[percydanvers]

How far do you have to be across the channel to end a career mode mission without being captured? I was doing a mission with the Tempest last week and I just got feet wet on the return journey when I hit "Finish Mission" and I was fine, but this week doing a campaign with one of the 126 RCAF Wing spitfire squadrons I hit Finish Mission half way back across the channel on two occasions and was listed as captured at the end of the mission.

 

I know it's kind of a bad habit not to fly all the way back to base, but sometimes I'm in a hurry.

[LukeFF]

As long as you are over friendly territory when you finish the mission, you will be safe.

[percydanvers]

3 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

As long as you are over friendly territory when you finish the mission, you will be safe.

 

Thanks!

[Koziolek]

10 hours ago, LukeFF said:

As long as you are over friendly territory when you finish the mission, you will be safe.

Yeah, but where the friendly teritory begins over the channel? Halfway? Or you have to be overland in England?

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Koziolek said:

Yeah, but where the friendly teritory begins over the channel? Halfway? Or you have to be overland in England?

 

It should be over the Channel, yes. Before D-Day, the front lines for the Allies (according to what's shown on the HQ map) extend all the way to the French coast.

[percydanvers]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

It should be over the Channel, yes. Before D-Day, the front lines for the Allies (according to what's shown on the HQ map) extend all the way to the French coast.

 

That's where I was getting a bit confused. I exited the mission far past the blue line and got captured. 

[LukeFF]

22 minutes ago, percydanvers said:

That's where I was getting a bit confused. I exited the mission far past the blue line and got captured. 

 

Was that after the latest update? If you still have the mission file, you may want to upload it here so @=FB=VikS can look at it.

[percydanvers]

3 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Was that after the latest update? If you still have the mission file, you may want to upload it here so @=FB=VikS can look at it.

 

It was. Unfortunately I don't have the mission file, but if I can reproduce it I will upload it. 

[jollyjack]

On 10/14/2022 at 4:36 AM, percydanvers said:

I know it's kind of a bad habit not to fly all the way back to base, but sometimes I'm in a hurry.

 

8x speed is a must at times.

That's why they will sell faster and faster PC systems, and IL2 gets a share from those ever more demanding hardware manufacturers and energy suppliers.   

[IckyATLAS]

I played an AQMB mission, type Attack Airfield. Flying Tempests (me leader of a flight of four) with bombs. Map is the Normandy D-Day.

Enemy activity was moderate. We had P51B mustangs as a cover against four FW190 defending the airfield.

The German airfield attacked was St Omer. After a successfull attack all objectives were fulfilled and the message about mission success was displayed, and I went back home. My plane was well damaged by flak on the airfield. So, I decided to bail out in enemy territory.

The result was mission success and simply IckyAtlas bailed out.

I bailed out yes but in full enemy territory far from the channel that is the limit of the friendly territory and strangely I was not captured. Is there a random result that when you bail out you are sometimes captured and sometimes not?

[Knarley-Bob]

You're lucky you didn't drown...............

[Airborne506]

5 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

I played an AQMB mission, type Attack Airfield. Flying Tempests (me leader of a flight of four) with bombs. Map is the Normandy D-Day.

Enemy activity was moderate. We had P51B mustangs as a cover against four FW190 defending the airfield.

The German airfield attacked was St Omer. After a successfull attack all objectives were fulfilled and the message about mission success was displayed, and I went back home. My plane was well damaged by flak on the airfield. So, I decided to bail out in enemy territory.

The result was mission success and simply IckyAtlas bailed out.

I bailed out yes but in full enemy territory far from the channel that is the limit of the friendly territory and strangely I was not captured. Is there a random result that when you bail out you are sometimes captured and sometimes not?

Might be because it was a quick mission and not a career one?

[percydanvers]

Okay this happened again. Screenshot shows where I was when I hit "Finish Mission." I was listed as captured. 

 

missionReport(2022-10-30_15-22-49)[56].txt

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, percydanvers said:

Okay this happened again. Screenshot shows where I was when I hit "Finish Mission." I was listed as captured. 

 

missionReport(2022-10-30_15-22-49)[56].txt 8.48 kB · 0 downloads

 

Okay, thanks, I've reported it. 

[Jade_Monkey]

I agree. This is ruining career for me. Unfortunately I don't have a full hour to play a single mission where most of it is cruising in a straight line to and from the target.

 

I get it, that's how real life was, but i don't have that much time.

 

It would be good to fix the ingress, egress waypoints to be more accessible for everyone and still give the option to do the full thing for this that want it.

 

This is specially painful when 8x or even 2x is not fully kicking in.

[DN308]

On 10/16/2022 at 7:20 PM, IckyATLAS said:

I played an AQMB mission, type Attack Airfield. Flying Tempests (me leader of a flight of four) with bombs. Map is the Normandy D-Day.

Enemy activity was moderate. We had P51B mustangs as a cover against four FW190 defending the airfield.

The German airfield attacked was St Omer. After a successfull attack all objectives were fulfilled and the message about mission success was displayed, and I went back home. My plane was well damaged by flak on the airfield. So, I decided to bail out in enemy territory.

The result was mission success and simply IckyAtlas bailed out.

I bailed out yes but in full enemy territory far from the channel that is the limit of the friendly territory and strangely I was not captured. Is there a random result that when you bail out you are sometimes captured and sometimes not?

Because the French underground took you away from the Huns before they put hands on you

[felixfer]

I have just installed BoN, I have flown my first missions in Career Mode, with a Mosquito over France, and I have had exactly the same issue reported here. If I finish my mission immediatly after crossing the front line, or even on the middle of the Channel, my final status is captured and I must restart or Alt+F4. The only safe option until now has been finishing after landing in my base airfield. I have made another Careers (BoM, BoS, BoBP) and this never happened. Any advice?
Thanks in advance, best regards and Merry Christmas!

Edited December 23, 2023 by felixfer

[Jaegermeister]

 

@felixfer,

 

This is basically a necro-thread, but I'll try to explain it anyway.

 

This is the current channel map for a cross channel Mosquito Campaign Intruder mission.

The Front Line is along the French Coast, at the bottom right of the screen.

The Dark Blue area along the coast and covering France is the German "Influence" area.

The Dark Blue area from the middle of the English Channel to the north is the British "Influence" area.

These areas are determined on the mission template and any British Pilots ditching more than halfway over the English Channel in April 1944 were not likely to be coming home soon, if at all, hence the British Influence does not extend all the way to the front line.

The Light Blue area has no "Influence" so it is considered neutral. If you ditch in that area, you have a 50/50 random chance of being captured or being rescued (I think, it's hard coded in)

 

 

So bottom line, you would have to return more than half way across the English Channel in that particular mission to guarantee safety. It could be different in other missions 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Jaegermeister

[felixfer]

Thanks a lot, @Jaegermeister.

You say "This is the current channel map for a cross channel Mosquito Campaign Intruder mission."

Does that menas that we can expect different areas for another mission types?

Is there any way to find this maps?

Thanks again in advance.

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by felixfer

[Jaegermeister]

I started a Mosquito Campaign like you said you did and ran the first mission. It was a night time Intruder mission. I opened the Mission file in the Mission Editor and looked at it. I would imagine most of the cross channel missions around that time will be similar as they are made on a "Template" meaning the player and enemy aircraft are generated on a preset map.  

 

Different missions may have a different Influence zone, and it will probably change later in the Campaign. You should always expect some sort of Neutral Zone near the front line, the closer the combat on the ground, the less neutral zone you should have.

 

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Jaegermeister

[felixfer]

Thanks again, @Jaegermeister.

I'm sorry to abuse your kindness, but I would like to ask you one more question, the last one for today, I hope: where can I find the mission files to open them with the mission editor? I have searched in the IL-GB Users folder and in the simulator folders, but I can't find them.

Thanks in advance and, again, best regards.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, felixfer said:

Thanks again, @Jaegermeister.

I'm sorry to abuse your kindness, but I would like to ask you one more question, the last one for today, I hope: where can I find the mission files to open them with the mission editor? I have searched in the IL-GB Users folder and in the simulator folders, but I can't find them.

Thanks in advance and, again, best regards.

 

_gen.mission, /data/missions folder. 

[R33GZ]

5 hours ago, felixfer said:

I have searched in the IL-GB Users folder and in the simulator folders, but I can't find them.

Open up the mission editor. Use file open from the menu and find the file called _Gen.mission. this file will always open the very last mission you just played. From there you can tinker around with the different components of the mission design.... and stare in confused wonder at all the pretty colored lines ?

[felixfer]

Thanks a lot, @LukeFF and @R33GZ.