5800X3D got a release date 4/20

[Voyager]

AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X3D Launches April 20th, Plus 6 New Low & Mid-Range Ryzen Chips
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17313/ryzen-7-5800x3d-launches-april-20th-plus-6-new-low-mid-range-ryzen-chips

 

You know, I didn't see it until I posted it in number form. Seriously AMD? 

 

Anyways, I'm sticking on the AM4 for a least a couple of years, and curious what we think we can expect out of the 5800X3D in Il-2 VR. I seem to recall this game is pretty memory latency sensitive, so wondering if the very large cache would be expected to bring it on par with the current kings? 

 

Currently running a 5800X, but wanted to pick up either a 5950X or the 3D cache chip before calling the CPU/MB/Ram set for a while. At this point, even with a 30 series, I think I'm far more GPU limited than CPU limited, so AM5/Raptor Lake, as impressive as they're looking just don't seem to be a big enough performance lift to be worth the pita of replacing the MB/Ram for :/.

[Hartigan]

According to the company, the processor is the most powerful gaming processor on the market and beats the Ryzen 9 5900X with four additional cores by a margin of about 15%. Sounds pretty good!

Edited March 17, 2022 by Hartigan

[A_radek]

We can only guess regarding il2. Chiliwili69's testing thread showed ipc>clockspeed>memoryspeed>cachespeed affected il2 performance in that order of importance.. Amount of cache more clouded data as we can only compare between different cpu generations. 

Have a feeling the extra cache that was a well known ryzen 7 bottleneck will make a good difference. If enough to dethrone an overclocked 12900k I doubt. Will be getting one as soon as I can though and report back with a benchmark. If nothing else turning shadow detail up a notch would be nice.

[unlikely_spider]

I've got an old x470 motherboard for which Asus has been diligently providing BIOS updates for years. This seems like an easy plug-and-play upgrade for me if benchmarks show that it's worth it for VR over my current 5600x.

[IckyATLAS]

In fact we need faster CPUs. And we see that the silicon solution is limited as power levels become prohibitive.

It is now years that we stay at 3-4.5 GHz (Boost can go to 5.2 GHz with Intel)  at best and the fastest being Intel at this point. Increasing the cores in our sim is a limited solution. An Eight core is enough. Trading core for clock speed seems not easy hence the direction of increasing cores, which is ok for general purpose machine and not very good for us. Aiming at 10 GHz with acceptable power consumption say 150 Watts Max would be ideal.

Completely Optical or Photonic CPU are very far from have solved all their issues, so I wonder what technology may come in to increase the raw speed.

I even wonder if speed is a topic anymore or a target in the hardware chip circuit developer world for mainstream CPUs. Sure there are dedicated circuits that work at much higher speed but these are of no use to us.

There is a lot of room for improvement.

 

[Jaws2002]

We'll see how 5800x3d does in il2, but overall, I don't think it's going to make much difference. 

 It's just one boutique CPU. 

 It's big advantage is lots of cache, but it comes at the expense of lower boost clocks. Not many games are going to be able to take advantage of the larger cache, without optimization and not many companies can afford to optimize for a single CPU.

We'll see how it does, but I doubt it's going to be revolutionary in Il-2.

Everyone is waiting for next major release to optimize their engines. 

I'd be surprised if it gets more than 10% performance boost, in this game, over a 5900x.

Edited March 26, 2022 by Jaws2002

[Props]

I'm running just a plain vanilla 5800x and I don't see it remotely being maxed in IL2 when I check my monitoring overlays. IL2 does appear to be using all cores, some a bit more than others and that's normal, but overall I only see a average 10-15% CPU usage in MP or SP flight with rare jumps beyond those numbers when approaching large cities or airfields with a bunch of static objects, which stabilizes quickly once they are loaded. Temps stay low. My GPU on the other hand stays pretty busy so I really don't see any real reason to spend more money for the -3XD version unless the new larger cache really does make a big difference in some significant way.

[Voyager]

@Props Il-2 has only two heavy threads, but the thread scheduler cycles which core has which thread, so maxing out 1-2 threads on a 16 thread CPU only gets a 12.5% loaded CPU, even if that core is boosting to the maximum possible CPU single thread speed. 

 

 

[Gambit21]

On 3/27/2022 at 5:28 AM, Props said:

I'm running just a plain vanilla 5800x and I don't see it remotely being maxed in IL2 

 

It’s not - not even close.

That’s taking not account Voyager’s remark as well.

[unlikely_spider]

Say that in theory the cores are awaiting instructions and the I/O operations are the bottleneck. Wouldn't an increase in CPU cache drastically reduce the time spent transferring data between CPU and RAM? Thus allowing the CPU cores to execute more instructions per second? 

[Voyager]

2 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Say that in theory the cores are awaiting instructions and the I/O operations are the bottleneck. Wouldn't an increase in CPU cache drastically reduce the time spent transferring data between CPU and RAM? Thus allowing the CPU cores to execute more instructions per second? 

 

I think that's the question the X3D is going to answer... 

[Props]

On 3/30/2022 at 3:40 PM, Voyager said:

@Props Il-2 has only two heavy threads, but the thread scheduler cycles which core has which thread, so maxing out 1-2 threads on a 16 thread CPU only gets a 12.5% loaded CPU, even if that core is boosting to the maximum possible CPU single thread speed. 

 

 

I was wondering about that, as I seem to recall that in the old days of il2 '46 it only used 2 cores with one being the primary and that you could set the game to prioritize a specific core, but I could be mistaken about that as it has been a long time since I flew that sim. Regardless, when I check my Nvidia overlay, mostly to just check on GPU temps and performance which I have doing the last couple of days since posting, I see an average CPU usage of 5-7% and rarely approaching double digit, so I was over-estimating in my first post here. Yet when I check the MSI Afterburner graphs I see 2 cores being used a fair amount, and some usage on most of the cores at the same time, with the 2 last cores showing almost no usage at all. This is a Ryzen 5800x. So I assume the CPU is bouncing instruction sets, etc. around as needed to level out core loads, i.e if the primary is busy no.2 gets some loading, if both are a little busy some stuff is passed off to No. 3 core, etc. down the line.

 

Since I do not have very many background processes running under IL2 GB, except Afterburner, SRS (when online), and one or 2 others during any given flight time, I assume most of this is IL2 related activity, but I can't be sure and I really don't want to go crazy trying to figure what each core is actually working on at any given moment as that deep a dive seems like a lot of work and unnecessary since the sim runs great on my PC. It was running great on my old Ryzen 3600x with a MSI Nvidia 2060 before at the same graphics settings so even my 5800x seems like overkill for now. To be honest I built my current rig to deal with MSFS 2020 and DCS, the resource hogs, knowing it would run IL2 GB just fine.

 

I have to agree with Voyager that the increased cache on 3XD is the where the chances of enhanced performance should be seen, we'll just have to wait see how that shakes out. 

[shirazjohn]

Promising results from the first game benchmark, hopefully we will get good results in Il2.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/ryzen-7-5800x3d-beats-core-i9-12900ks-by-16-in-shadow-of-the-tomb-raider

[A_radek]

20 hours ago, shirazjohn said:

Promising results from the first game benchmark, hopefully we will get good results in Il2.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/ryzen-7-5800x3d-beats-core-i9-12900ks-by-16-in-shadow-of-the-tomb-raider

That’s very impressive. Hopefully soon more methodologically inclined testers will chime in with results.

 

Personally, mostly curious about performance on older am4 chipsets. If it were possible to match alder lake performance with a dusty old b350 board, it might stir things.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2022 by SvAF/F16_radek

[chiliwili69]

but they used very different RAM memories for the test.  DDR5 4800 C40 could perform worse than DDR4 3200 C14.

This has been just the typical biased test to capture headlines.

Let´s see how it goes with our IL-2.

[shirazjohn]

5 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

but they used very different RAM memories for the test.  DDR5 4800 C40 could perform worse than DDR4 3200 C14.

This has been just the typical biased test to capture headlines.

Let´s see how it goes with our IL-2.

I completely agree and the only way to find out is to take plunge, so will be buying one as soon as they are available. ?

Edited April 9, 2022 by shirazjohn

[A_radek]

9 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

but they used very different RAM memories for the test.  DDR5 4800 C40 could perform worse than DDR4 3200 C14.

This has been just the typical biased test to capture headlines.

Let´s see how it goes with our IL-2.

Likely closer to the truth, and not to forget the 12900 oc’s. 
 

 

7 hours ago, shirazjohn said:

I completely agree and the only way to find out is to take plunge, so will be buying one as soon as they are available. ?

 

Please consider sharing an il2-bench if you get a hold of one shirazhohn. I’ll do the same.

[shirazjohn]

25 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:

Please consider sharing an il2-bench if you get a hold of one shirazhohn. I’ll do the same.

Yes will definitely do that. Looking forward to seeing how this thing stacks up , hope I'm not disappointed. 

[A_radek]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache | TechPowerUp

First review in. 

[Thorne]

Apparently it's a top performer in MSFS 2020 benchmarks, it'll probably be solid in IL2 and DCS as well. Looking better and better.

 

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/617599-ryzen-7-5800x3d-brilliant-msfs-performance/

[A_radek]

10 minutes ago, Thorne said:

Apparently it's a top performer in MSFS 2020 benchmarks, it'll probably be solid in IL2 and DCS as well. Looking better and better.

 

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/617599-ryzen-7-5800x3d-brilliant-msfs-performance/

 
Does look promising.

 

Yet another review:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review
 

Results and setups slightly different from techpowerups review.

 

 

[shirazjohn]

Just been reading some of these reviews myself and it definitely looks promising. Hopefully bag one next week and with an an upgrade to an rtx 4000 ? later this year it should keep my x570 setup competitive for a few more years.

[Props]

I have read 3D Guru's review, Tom's HDW, and watched Hardware Unboxed early game performance test video (Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD's Gift To Gamers! on Youtube) and while the AMD 5800X3D does not shine in applications in any general manner it looks like a real winner in most games. Definitely a big improvement over the vanilla 5800x (my current processor) and rivaling the Intel 12900K and KS when it comes to gaming. I am going to keep an eye on the reviews and info to follow and there may be a new CPU in my computer if this pans out. It would be my final upgrade to this system to last a couple of years ahead I would hope. I am thinking it may help in IL2 more than having extra cores, but we will see.

[A_radek]

Managed to snag one. Will install and bench with a comparison to my current 5600x, hopefully tonight if time permits. 

[shirazjohn]

2 hours ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:

Managed to snag one. Will install and bench with a comparison to my current 5600x, hopefully tonight if time permits. 

Fantastic me too mine arrives today also. Happy testing.?

[Wilhelm_Heidkamp]

On 4/15/2022 at 3:14 PM, Props said:

I have read 3D Guru's review, Tom's HDW, and watched Hardware Unboxed early game performance test video (Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD's Gift To Gamers! on Youtube) and while the AMD 5800X3D does not shine in applications in any general manner it looks like a real winner in most games. Definitely a big improvement over the vanilla 5800x (my current processor) and rivaling the Intel 12900K and KS when it comes to gaming. I am going to keep an eye on the reviews and info to follow and there may be a new CPU in my computer if this pans out. It would be my final upgrade to this system to last a couple of years ahead I would hope. I am thinking it may help in IL2 more than having extra cores, but we will see.

 

Is this cpu compatible with most of the motherboards and memories that the previous 5800X was compatible with?

 

I have a 5800X in a MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI

 

Thanks

[unlikely_spider]

26 minutes ago, PA_Willy said:

 

Is this cpu compatible with most of the motherboards and memories that the previous 5800X was compatible with?

 

I have a 5800X in a MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI

 

Thanks

It should be. Check the available BIOS updates for your mobo - you may need to update first. I have an Asus x470 and they recently provided an update for this CPU.

[Thorne]

Thanks @SvAF/F16_radek and @shirazjohn for keeping us in the loop - looking forward to seeing the numbers. If you have time, benching your current setup with SYN_Vander will establish a helpful baseline for comparison if you have not already done so.

 

Link to benchmark setup:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/66924-syn_vander-benchmark-v6-to-measure-il-2-performance-in-monitor-vr/

 

[A_radek]

Posted my results for the 5800x3d in chilis thread.

[Thorne]

8 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:

Posted my results for the 5800x3d in chilis thread.

 

You're awesome, thanks for taking the time to do that!

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

7 hours ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:

Posted my results for the 5800x3d in chilis thread.

Was keeping an eye on the 5800X3D, currently running a 5800X in my PC.

Came across this very useful Graph produced by Techspot for MSFS between a 5800X and 5800X3D.  Note the 4K result.

Source https://www.techspot.com/review/2451-ryzen-5800x3D-vs-ryzen-5800x/

 

Thank to those that have tested the newly released 5800X3D and posted IL2 results.

Running Varjo Aero VR Headset, think it is a pass for me as I am apparently GPU bound.

 

[ZachariasX]

 

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