Yaw2 Kickstarter, Pitch 70º & Roll 60º for 1090$

[chiliwili69]

They just launched this past weekend the KS campaign:

 

 

 

 

IL-2 appear in the games they support, I assume it will be VR.

 

I am really considering to join the campaign for the Yaw2 Pro (without the Yaw base and seat) for 1450$.

I just play IL-2 VR, no other games, so  the Yaw movement will not add too much to the feeling (Also I have not the space for it).

I could reuse my current seat and Warthog and pedals.

 

The Yaw2 Pro includes more powerfull motors and USB hub, I am doubting between the simple Yaw2 or the Yaw2 Pro.

I would like to hear what other think about it before pressing the button.

Edited June 16, 2021 by chiliwili69

[chiliwili69]

In the standard version the motors are 250W, in the Pro version the motors are 350W.

So I assume the Pro will be able to peform better fast transients.

2 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

So I assume the Pro will be able to peform better fast transients.

 

I was wrong here. It seems the difference is the overheating for long playing sessions. This is what they say:

 

Honestly in terms of motion speed and reaction time the stronger motor is not very important (maybe just in case of heavy weight). Usually we never use Yaw2 over 50-60% of power because over 60% of power the device is literally brutal But for longer gameplay or intense usage the stronger motors are better (partly because of the slover over-heating as Jeffrey mentioned)

[kissTheSky]

Looks very interesting. 

[J2_Seya]

Thanks I just picked it up. I got the pro arcade.

[chiliwili69]

The point is that I have been always putting my eyes in motion platforms of 360 pitch&roll like:

VIPER, 

MOVEO ,

NOVA360,

R3EX,

SmartRider,

MOTIONSYSTEMS ,

Robogyro, and the like.

 

In fact, few years ago, with a friend we built a 1/3 scale prototype with step motors, bearings, arduino and everything with 360 pitch&roll. Thinking in VR and home usage. Look the design:

 

But it just didn´t go to real scale.

 

And now I see this Yaw2 at a very very good price and thinking on home usage, but limited in pitch and roll.

 

I am also thinking about how to cheat your brain in VR for g-forces.

For example, in racing sims, if you turn to the right, then the chair roll a bit to the left to simulate the lateral centrifugal force (G-force) which push you to the left.

 

I have no idea about all the tricks done by the pitch and roll motors for flight sims in VR. And the most important question, are they nice? do they add to the inmersion?.

 

Probably the best way to know that (despite of reading many forums) will be to try for myself. 

 

I see many folks here use motion platforms, are they worth for IL-2 VR?

[Charlo-VRde]

On 4/27/2021 at 1:30 AM, chiliwili69 said:

I see many folks here use motion platforms, are they worth for IL-2 VR?

I very much enjoy my Next Level Racing Motion Platform V3, which is really just a Motion Systems “butt mover”. Looking at this Kickstarter I don’t have the gaming space for the optional Yaw platform that would apparently swing my extended feet around the room.

 

My current motion platform assembly is mounted on a wheeled frame that allows me to move it into place when it’s gaming time. I kind of doubt I could do the same for the Yaw2...
 

Another factor for me is my Slaw Device pedals are heavy, so perhaps Crosswind pedals would be a better match.
 

(Also, based on the actors they cast in their videos I may be too old for this device ?)

 

But I am very tempted to back this Kickstarter. I see that Star Wars Squadrons is listed as one of the supported games, but I don’t think that game provides telemetry data, as Il-2 does, so I can’t imagine the Squadrons experience could be as good - it would likely be simply following joystick and (hopefully) rudder and throttle input.

 

You’ve probably already seen the below thread, but if not it captures well the experiences a few of us have with our butt mover ?

 

 

[Varibraun]

On 4/26/2021 at 3:22 AM, chiliwili69 said:

I would like to hear what other think about it before pressing the button.

 

I really appreciate you posting this (as well as everything else you have done for the VR community over the years).  I have followed the Motion Simulator threads with some interest, and this one seems to answer some of the issues I have wondered about (moving rudder pedals & stick specifically).

 

Based on the videos and website views I still have the following questions regarding things I am currently using:

 

-Would a center mount stick with an extension be possible?

-Do we think it would be sturdy enough to support MFG rudder pedals?

-Can it support a Jetseat and/or Buttkicker in addition to the it's built in vibration (especially on the stick and pedals)?

-If you opt for the full circular motion version, what happens to all your power/usb/VR cords when spinning around?

 

All that said, I am very intrigued, even Mrs. V thought it was cool and semi affordable! 

[chiliwili69]

On 4/28/2021 at 5:07 PM, Charlo-VR said:

I don’t have the gaming space for the optional Yaw platform that would apparently swing my extended feet around the room

 

Thanks for the link, I was not following it.

I have a similar problem, the room space will most likely will not allow to do 360 yaw swings. But I think that the Yaw move is less important than Pitch or Roll, which needs much less space.

On 4/28/2021 at 5:07 PM, Charlo-VR said:

My current motion platform assembly is mounted on a wheeled frame that allows me to move it into place when it’s gaming time. I kind of doubt I could do the same for the Yaw2...

 

In the Yaw2 Pro model they say it incorporate "built-in casters for mobility", but I have not find an image for that.

On 4/28/2021 at 5:07 PM, Charlo-VR said:

Another factor for me is my Slaw Device pedals are heavy, so perhaps Crosswind pedals would be a better match

 

I also have the Slaw pedals. What it is heavy is the base plate. I think it can be removed and assmbled directly in the feet base of the yaw2 but it will probably need some DIY.

On 4/28/2021 at 5:07 PM, Charlo-VR said:

Also, based on the actors they cast in their videos I may be too old for this device

 

My worries are more on never try one of those things before I die. Which is something it couldl happen from tomorrow and the next 35 years. I am 51 now.

[NiiranenVR]

Im really curious allso and i have room for the yaw too ( if I move it all to the basement ) ..... The price is not so expensive compared to what I paid for my GPU 3090 .......

But , in my mind and pay it now for getting it 6 month later ?? as a backpacker price 

One who know something about the price when its official out ???

[chiliwili69]

On 4/29/2021 at 4:06 PM, Varibraun said:

Would a center mount stick with an extension be possible?

 

It would depend on the joystick. I my case (Warthog with 10cm extension) it is fixed to the base of the JetSeat frame, so I think I could keep it as it is now. Pictures here. For longer stick, there should be a way but it will require some DIY. Look at the other thread mentioned above.

On 4/29/2021 at 4:06 PM, Varibraun said:

Do we think it would be sturdy enough to support MFG rudder pedals?

 

In the racing videos shown in the KS, they use pedals and it seem sturdy enough.

https://v.kickstarter.com/1620036180_b191dc94c21dafeb02a96523d9a0b68ef9c9de70/assets/033/248/456/4b721dadbebce6103f30b03071cad2c2_h264_high.mp4

 

The two bars are made of iron and fixed to the base of the platform. So I think it would be OK.

On 4/29/2021 at 4:06 PM, Varibraun said:

Can it support a Jetseat and/or Buttkicker in addition to the it's built in vibration (especially on the stick and pedals)?

 

I hope so. I also have the JetPad, which is something a can not fly without now.

But I really don´t know if the vibration could damage the whole thing (motors, bearings, etc) in the long run. Time will tell.

On 4/29/2021 at 4:06 PM, Varibraun said:

If you opt for the full circular motion version, what happens to all your power/usb/VR cords when spinning around?

 

With the Yaw2 Pro version you have a local 220v power supply and also USB hub. For the VR cord the best solution could be from ceiling.

But in any case I will not opt for the Yaw motion option. This could be good for racing, but for Flying I think it can be skip.

 

It will be interesting also the future Gravity platform they are also working on:

 

"Gravity platform is under development, so we don't have a working prototype yet, that is why you can't preorder it. Tomorrow we will add a more detailed description of the module to the kickstarter page. Preliminarily, I can tell you that the gravity platform gives the simulator the up/down movement. It will be available standalone or integrated with the Yaw Platform. The range of motion is planned to be 15-20cm (6-8 inches). We expect to have the first porotype ready in 2-3 weeks, if the tests are successful we will show you immediately."

 

This is something that could add some vertical bumps when taxing or some minor butterflies for the stomach.

On 4/29/2021 at 4:06 PM, Varibraun said:

All that said, I am very intrigued, even Mrs. V thought it was cool and semi affordable

 

Tomorrow is the mother day, it could be the perfect gift for her...

Edited May 1, 2021 by chiliwili69

[NiiranenVR]

All or nothing .... Kickstarter 

It's written in English so I don't quite understand ..... So for dummies .....

Will my money be lost if they cancelled it  

 

( Red about a case feel three ) 

Edited May 1, 2021 by J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr
I'm really tempted ... But sleep a day or 2

[Charlo-VRde]

7 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

I have a similar problem, the room space will most likely will not allow to do 360 yaw swings. But I think that the Yaw move is less important than Pitch or Roll, which needs much less space.

 

In the Yaw2 Pro model they say it incorporate "built-in casters for mobility", but I have not find an image for that.

 

I also have the Slaw pedals. What it is heavy is the base plate. I think it can be removed and assmbled directly in the feet base of the yaw2 but it will probably need some DIY.

All excellent points - I don’t have any yaw movement with my Motion Platform seat, and I don’t really miss it. I also didn’t notice the Yaw 2 has built-in casters on the Kickstarter page, so that makes it much more viable for my available space.
 

And I had forgotten most of the weight of my Slaw pedals is from the base, which would not be necessary if the pedals are mounted to the foot stand platform of the Yaw 2. Heck, I’d even bet I could use industrial-strength Velcro to attach my Slaw pedals to that foot stand platform.
 

Looking closely at their videos I also see the pedal mount platform appears easily adjustable with a hand knob to tighten and loosen. If the pedal mount bars that attach below the seat can be easily detached, that would make the Yaw 2 fit much better in my office space when I am not using it.

 

I may need to wait and pay more for a Yaw 2 after someone else (maybe you, @chiliwili69!) has posted their experiences with it ?

[J2_Seya]

You can limit any of the axis also. So you can set it for a tiny bit of yaw of you don't have the room.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

On 5/1/2021 at 6:41 AM, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

All or nothing .... Kickstarter 

It's written in English so I don't quite understand ..... So for dummies .....

Will my money be lost if they cancelled it  

 

( Red about a case feel three ) 

 

I was avidly following feel three before the pandemic. Their website and FB page seem to have been abandoned. Is there an article about their demise somewhere? It was a very promising product. I will be interested in the Yaw 2 unless Feel Three gets back up to speed.

Edited July 22, 2021 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[J2_Seya]

I was wondering what seatbelt I should get for this?

[Charlo-VRde]

13 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

Looking closely at their videos I also see the pedal mount platform appears easily adjustable with a hand knob to tighten and loosen. If the pedal mount bars that attach below the seat can be easily detached, that would make the Yaw 2 fit much better in my office space when I am not using it.

Reading through the Kickstarter’s Comments page, I see the Yaw folk answered a question about the footrest arm, where they stated it will be easily detachable. Very good news for those of us with limited space.

 

4 hours ago, J2_Seya said:

You can limit any of the axis also. So you can set it for a tiny bit of yaw of you don't have the room.

That also addresses one of my concerns - this is getting more and more intriguing, time to take some measurements of my gaming space.

[Charlo-VRde]

OK, I've pledged for the YAW2+Yaw Platform PRO, with the PRO upgrade add-ons to both and also the seat add-on. I have until June 7th to back out, and I figure if it isn't better than my Motion Platform V3, then I'll sell it.  And if it is better than my Motion Platform V3, than I'll sell my Motion Platform.

 

Thanks for starting this thread, @chiliwili69!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

14 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

OK, I've pledged for the YAW2+Yaw Platform PRO, with the PRO upgrade add-ons to both and also the seat add-on. I have until June 7th to back out, and I figure if it isn't better than my Motion Platform V3, then I'll sell it.  And if it is better than my Motion Platform V3, than I'll sell my Motion Platform.

 

Thanks for starting this thread, @chiliwili69!

 

I will await your review with bated breath. When do they anticipate shipping consumer models?

[Charlo-VRde]

1 hour ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

I will await your review with bated breath. When do they anticipate shipping consumer models?

They state on the Kickstarter page first delivery will be early September, so hopefully the supply chains are working better over these next several months. 
 

It’ll help that I have some experience with my current Motion Platform for comparison.

[chiliwili69]

Well, I am also in. Backed the Yaw2Pro without the Yaw thing and without seat. Now wait, Let´s see if this arrives a least for christmas....

[chiliwili69]

Voodoo tried the Yaw2 with X-plane. Bumpy landing!:

 

 

[Charlo-VRde]

Nice, keeping my pledge!

[Charlo-VRde]

Here’s another early review video:

 

 

[chiliwili69]

the early prototype of the optional gravity module:

 

 

[LukeFF]

A friend of mine just picked up one of these, so hopefully I'll be able to try it at some point. 

[slikslik]

I almost bought the original tub design Yaw Pro this morning.  I watched a video with the player wearing a Pimax HMD.  I saw that thing swing the full 360 etc. etc., but where and how do you connect the headset, joy stick, pedals etc. to the Yaw base without it getting tangled up while spinning around?  Pimax doesn't make a wireless HMD, so it MUST be connected to the Yaw chair somehow.  I sure would like some guidance here fellow members.  I really would like to have this chair.  It's only $2000.00us.   I paid 700 for the chair I'm sitting on right now, and it's nothing really special. I figure I can't go wrong at that price.  That is, IF I can use my Pimax etc.   Thanks all...take care...Eddie.

[Charlo-VRde]

Hi Eddie,

 

Folks who plan to use the full 360 yaw ability are probably using something like this to hang their headset, etc. cables directly overhead:

 

In my own case I plan to limit the yaw limits to fit within the available space in my gaming room/ home office. Our understanding is that the limiter also includes the yaw platform slowly, imperceptibly re-centering the chair when you are not yawing so that you don’t really notice the yaw limits you’ve set.

 

I find that even with the relatively small movements my current next Level Racing Motion Platform V3 provides, my body feels as if I am moving more, enough to be quite immersive. So, most of us flight simmers will probably never use even close to the full range of motion available.

[slikslik]

48 minutes ago, Charlo-VR said:

Hi Eddie,

 

Folks who plan to use the full 360 yaw ability are probably using something like this to hang their headset, etc. cables directly overhead:

 

In my own case I plan to limit the yaw limits to fit within the available space in my gaming room/ home office. Our understanding is that the limiter also includes the yaw platform slowly, imperceptibly re-centering the chair when you are not yawing so that you don’t really notice the yaw limits you’ve set.

 

I find that even with the relatively small movements my current next Level Racing Motion Platform V3 provides, my body feels as if I am moving more, enough to be quite immersive. So, most of us flight simmers will probably never use even close to the full range of motion available.

 

Thanks for that info Charlo.  I would limit the Yaw movement also, so no need for that ugly hangsr that goes above for the headset.  I STILL haven't found a video or guide that shows WHERE you plug the USB headset, joystick etc. to chair unit itself.  Where are the USB ports?  How many are there?  Do you connect the devices to the base of the chair?  If so, how?  I know my querry might sound stupid, but I can not figure out how to get all the USB devices connected to the chair. Know what I mean?  Any videos out there?  Any pics?  Thanks again my friend...take care...Eddie. 

[Charlo-VRde]

I don’t think they have yet posted anything with that level of detail, since they are still developing the Yaw 2. They do NOT expect to have any DisplayPort passthrough since that appears to be technically impossible for now. 
 

There is lots of speculation in the Kickstarter discussion, but those of us sticking with our pledges have enough trust with the company to spend the risk.

[slikslik]

12 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

I don’t think they have yet posted anything with that level of detail, since they are still developing the Yaw 2. They do NOT expect to have any DisplayPort passthrough since that appears to be technically impossible for now. 
 

There is lots of speculation in the Kickstarter discussion, but those of us sticking with our pledges have enough trust with the company to spend the risk.

Thanks again Charlo.  If I understand correctly, the YAW Pro, [Tub Design] can be set to limit the turning and avoid getting cables all tied up.  Right?  Can it be set to swing no more than 180 degrees?  

[J2_Seya]

I'm just going to run all my cords from above using the ceiling hangers I have or just limit the movement enough where is doesn't matter. Either way I gotta limit it one more than the other.

[Charlo-VRde]

41 minutes ago, J2_Seya said:

I'm just going to run all my cords from above using the ceiling hangers I have or just limit the movement enough where is doesn't matter. Either way I gotta limit it one more than the other.

^^^ This, @slikslik ^^^.  I am pledging the new design, Yaw 2, on Kickstarter, and I don’t know much about the tub design, which was a Kickstarter a few years ago. The tub design would not fit in my gaming space, but people appear to hav been happy with that Kickstarter, which gives me a degree of confidence in this one.

 

I also don’t know the precise yaw limits you can set on either of their seats, but I am sure the limits will work for me. I assume the limits can be as low as 0 degrees. There are lots of details in the current Kickstarter that ends tomorrow and is linked in the original post in this thread

[Varibraun]

Just realized I missed the Kickstarter when I finally decided to pull the trigger.  Congrats to everyone who made the decision in time. 

 

I will keep my eyes open for a preorder and see how much they increase the pricing over the KS.  I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts when the deliveries start.

[chiliwili69]

In a recent update about the progress they shared some pictures and they said that the roll angle has been increased in 20º!!  Fasten your seat belts!!!

 

[Charlo-VRde]

Nice! And seat belts were a stretch goal we reached, too, so they'll come with my Yaw 2 - though probably not until November, I suspect, since I'm pledge number 600 or so

[Charlo-VRde]

On 6/11/2021 at 11:45 AM, Varibraun said:

Just realized I missed the Kickstarter when I finally decided to pull the trigger.  Congrats to everyone who made the decision in time. 

 

I will keep my eyes open for a preorder and see how much they increase the pricing over the KS.  I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts when the deliveries start.

Pre-ordering is now possible at https://www.yawvr.com for those willing to wait until 2020 Q1 for delivery, and it looks like they are only charging a couple hundred dollars more than the Kickstarter.  In that Kickstarter I wasn’t the first or only one to request they include a profile for IL-2, so that should be available at launch.

 

One thing you can’t yet include in a pre-order is the “gravity platform” they are working on to add heave up-and-down movement. That is described at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/346206518/yaw2-motion-simulator-and-smart-chair/posts/3203489 , and should become an add-on for both Kickstarter backers and pre-orders once they are confident they have worked out the engineering and pricing.

Edited July 13, 2021 by Charlo-VR

[chiliwili69]

In the last update from Yaw2 they said they are working in the plugin for DCS world, I hope the next one would be IL-2 (since I don´t play DCS)

 

 

"Software development 

On the software side, we continue to work on the Yaw VR app, making it generally more user friendly, simple and graphically elegant. We also started including more languages.

A new plugin that we just finished is for beamNG, amazing game for VR, can't wait to make a gameplay video once we have the new simulators ready.

The next plugin in the line is DCS world. We already have one for this, but because of the several plane options that you can choose in the game, we need to work a little bit more on the plugin to make it compatible with all of them. Seems like we can't get enough of flying ?"

[Varibraun]

Okay...I AM IN with a pre-order!! 

 

Thanks especially to @chiliwili69 for reminding me I am not getting younger, and @Charlo-VR for keeping the dream alive when I missed the Kickstarter.  I went with the full Pro Version (including seat & rotation) and the seatbelt add-on (another $50 the Kickstarter folks saved).  I also sent them a note that would love to see an IL-2 Plug-In by the time they start shipping. 

[J2_Seya]

That is great news. I can't wait to get mine. I'm still waiting for the additional vertical movement news. I really want to add that also.

[SCG_motoadve]

Interested, but I worry about setting my controllers, have too many, the Virpil joystick with extensions, dont want to have a side stick like an Aribus.

Also Vitalys trim wheel, wheels for radiators, oil, throttle rpms etc.

Looks like pedals will be easy to put , but all the wires dangling might be a problem.

 

Any of you with lots of controllers getting one?