Jump to content

Battle of Britain


exhausted
 Share

Recommended Posts

Is there a chance that BOS will lead to modules (or maps like ROF's Channel Map) that expand the game into other settings? I sure would love to see a decent representation of the war in Western Europe, from April 1940 to May 1945, including an area that hasn't been done well since the Mig Alley devs took it on: the Battle of Britain.

 

This really would be a chance to reign supreme, and is similar to the DCS concept, only all the settingswould fit in right time period (DCS: P-51D, I'm talking about you).

 

Wake? Iwo Jima? Cactus Air?

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually Jason, if you recall, when Oleg asked for a vote on the next theatre after BoB, the overwhelming winner was the Med.  The air war in the desert has never been done properly by any studio/producer.

 

 

That would be my first choice, closely followed by the air war in China.

  • Upvote 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yep me too Slipball, I'll be getting BOS to support 777 and our rather niche genre, I do enjoy ROF even though I'm not really a big WW1 buff, so I'm sure I'll enjoy BOS.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually Jason, if you recall, when Oleg asked for a vote on the next theatre after BoB, the overwhelming winner was the Med.  The air war in the desert has never been done properly by any studio/producer.

 

+1 for the mediterranean theater.

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Gabriele_Zerneri

+2 for the mediterranean theatre.

 

and good luck to this promising venture.

and hello people from the ol' IL-2 days.

 

Actually Jason, if you recall, when Oleg asked for a vote on the next theatre after BoB, the overwhelming winner was the Med.  The air war in the desert has never been done properly by any studio/producer.

Edited by Aeronautico
  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[ASOR]Pharoah

Whilst I agree with the above (+1 for the med/Nth Afr), one theatre that has never really been done well (since Aces over Europe) is the actual 'Battle of Europe' ie. the USAAF/RAF raids into western Europe eg.

- B17/24 and Lanc/Wellington raids

- Medium bomber raids into France (A20, B25, Mosq, etc)

- Rhubarbs/interdiction/etc missions flown by both the USAAF and RAF

- Mosquito/Beaufort/Beaufighter anti ship missions to Norway, etc

- soooo much that hasn't been touched.

 

I'm sincerely hoping that this can be done...hell, we already have the france/channel map!! :) (ie. ROF).

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

That is the only wat\y I would buy BoS.  Not interested in a standalone Staligrad theatre.

 

I must admit that the Stalingrad/Russian theatre holds no interest.

I was hoping for a Med/North African sequal for CLoD not a very limited theatre/operation announced.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think the days of theater and multi-year releases are over. The aircraft models are too complex, player expectations are too high and money is rather scarce.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[ASOR]Pharoah

not necessarily....using the ROF model, they build an a/c...release it...get $$ in...pay overheads (and dividends)...dev the next...rinse and repeat. Sure not necessarily correct but that means the dev cycle is much smaller and you get regular product releases, thus resulting in regular cash inflows. Investing thousands of hours in a big game requires a large capital injection (usually debt funded requiring regular repayments....or equity funded requiring higher returns) hoping it'll take off probably isn't the way to go anymore. Read the FAQ - Jason (I think) actually states they won't follow this model. For me? I prefer it this way...I'm more about something now than waiting 2 years and hoping (and being let down eg with CLOD). 

 

The main thing is...have a stable map eg. Western Europe from Southern France up to Norway or thereabouts plus England. THEN you invest in producing a/c eg. early birds first (Spit Mk I, Hurri, BF109E/F, etc like they had in CLOD) then slowly start releasing a/c eg. upgrades to a/c, etc. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Even given the current PC tech I find a map of Europe too ambitious - unless it's so scarcely populated that it's actually not worth the effort. But then I greatly prefer the Eastern Front anyway. ;)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If they did go to the Med, they'd have the LW planeset in place for 1942 till the end of Tunisia pretty much. Delete the river and city objects from Stalingrad map, sprinkle some sand textures about the place - job done!

Then they'd just need to make the P-40's, P-38's, Spit variants,....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually Jason, if you recall, when Oleg asked for a vote on the next theatre after BoB, the overwhelming winner was the Med.  The air war in the desert has never been done properly by any studio/producer.

 

 

That would be my first choice, closely followed by the air war in China.

+1 although the battle of France would also be very very interesting as that is a field that has always been avoided in favor of the late war planes or worse the what ifs

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well....I'm sort of a "first things first" person.

Lets make sure this first endeavor is supported and successful.

Then.....throw in the vote for the second endeavor... :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stalingrad is excellent as a choice.

It is less complex than the Med for a starting sim, and still having all climates, different balance on different dates, and it is very taxing on ground movementes.

Also the aircrafts involved are quite balanced all in all, and very well documented.

More... the main public of this sim still lives in russia, so it is a natural choice.

 

The med is excellent, but it needs a lot of ships, and carrier action. Not a good choice for a starter. 

Anyway, this a far better scenario than BOB. Close support have a meaning here.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Med would make sense, all water and a bit of sand, be easy on performance and ground objects.

 

Exactly, and, we get P 40s.

 

:D

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Any major theater gets my vote. I don't care much for the Aleutians or Manchuria, but pretty much if they made a movie about it I'd be game to have it included.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

The med is excellent, but it needs a lot of ships, and carrier action. Not a good choice for a starter. 

 

Not for North Africa (Tobruk etc) they don't, as said German set plus some Italian and Hurricanes, P40's, A20's, Blenheims etc for the RAF

Edited by kristorf
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not for North Africa (Tobruk etc) they don't, as said German set plus some Italian and Hurricanes, P40's, A20's, Blenheims etc for the RAF

 

Well... Noth Africa is a different scenario than the Med.

It's like saying BoB meaning BoF...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting.... Italy and the Ninth AF would be very engaging due to airframe variety, and that feeling of 'when East meets West.' This also opens the door for limited naval aviation, if you like British crates.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Chronologically from the Battle for France onwards.  THAT has been missed.  I don't want to really see another series which misses out this stuff again and just rolls into the PTO to raise US based sales.  Europeans, a lot of us,  want the stuff that 1C started,  preferably earlier.

 

TBH if the new one was made so that 3rd party mapping and fighters could come in, be approved by 777 and given away or even sold (with a royality to the dev team) then this is exactly what community support really can be Jason.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

rps69,

As far as I can recall there was not really a great use of aircraft carriers in the Med up until Torch, and then little use until Anzio.

The ony 'action' was really Malta and North Africa, so unless Torch is planned carriers would only be needed initially for Pedestal type ops.

 

(Disclaimer, I could be totally wrong....again)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That is the only wat\y I would buy BoS.  Not interested in a standalone Staligrad theatre.

 

A lot of people wish Hitler would not have been interested in a Stalingrad theater! Seriously, there was a lot of action there in the air and on the ground with many opportunities for varied missions using varied aircraft. The scope of the conflict and sacrifices made there by the Russian people are too often overlooked.

 

Expansions to other areas would certainly be welcomed. My favorite theater is the war in the Pacific.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

CsThor is right - flight sims are getting more and more complex and take more development time and programming than ever before, depending on the experience and abilities of the program makers. It would probably be better to forget large theatres for a while and concentrate on key battle areas - for example: the Sicilian Invasion 1943, or Malta 1940-1942. Getting the gameplay and details right in these smaller scenarios means that it would then be possible to expand into larger theatres.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A lot of people wish Hitler would not have been interested in a Stalingrad theater! Seriously, there was a lot of action there in the air and on the ground with many opportunities for varied missions using varied aircraft. The scope of the conflict and sacrifices made there by the Russian people are too often overlooked.

 

Expansions to other areas would certainly be welcomed. My favorite theater is the war in the Pacific.

Maybe there is scope for 'plenty of action', but the plane set for the area just doesn't grip people, I for one find the Eastern Front ground war spellbinding and compulsive reading, but the air war, yawwwnnnnnn

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[ASOR]Pharoah

What should the correct chronological order be for the air war in WW2? Here's my shot..feel free to correct as required:

 

- Battle of Poland - 1939

- Battle of France - 1940

- Battle of Britain - 1940

- Battle of the Med (Greece, etc) - 1941

- Battle of Malta - 1941

- North African campaign - 1941-43?

- Pearl Harbour - 1941

- (Initial) Battle of Russia - 1942

- Battle of Stalingrad - 1942

- Battle of Singapore/HK - 1942

- Battle of Coral Sea and Midway - 1942

- New Guinea 1942 - 1945

- Beginning of 'Air War over Europe' ie. USAAF raids into France/Germany/etc

 

....what else?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I understand the sentiment of Russian team, Russian theater. But honestly, I think Western Europe and definitely the MTO would have been better choices if money is the goal...

 

Just imagine it, the water, the desert, the paint schemes, the cities... Would have been awesome! Not to say that Stalingrad won't be!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

rps69,

As far as I can recall there was not really a great use of aircraft carriers in the Med up until Torch, and then little use until Anzio.

The ony 'action' was really Malta and North Africa, so unless Torch is planned carriers would only be needed initially for Pedestal type ops.

 

(Disclaimer, I could be totally wrong....again)

 

Afraid you are,  sort of.  Look up "Escort Carriers" and read Eric Browns book.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Still a very limited scenario though in the scope of this game?

Unless actions such as Taranto, Malta Convoys and latter war actions etc are taken into account

there is plenty of scope for solely land based ops in North Africa, Palestine pre '43 isn't there?

 

What's the title of Eric Brown's book please? (If it's 'Wings on my Sleeve' what chapters, its a long time since I have read it)

Edited by kristorf
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...