Will TC be left behind?

[LachenKrieg]

11 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Thanks!  I just dont like desert and the yellow camo of the tanks. On the other hand, it will sell probably good, maps are easier to make and are fps friendly. Lots of sherman vs panzer IV engagements at long ranges. Tiger 131 would be nice and also the 6 pounder gun.  Those little green oasis in panzer elite were nice...ooo Panzer Elite...memmories...

 

Some early tanks for Eeafanas and long barrelled Panzer IV and Tiger for me.?

 

 

 

 

 

Hey its a win-win! Now all we need to do is for someone to get the Dev team to send help.  

 

 

46 minutes ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

North africa would be great, but i higly doubt that. North africa is occupied by CloD. I am very unlucky about that.

You lost me on the CloD thing @JG27_Steini, and at this point in the day, I can't claim that it is because I haven't had my coffee.

Edited January 4, 2021 by LachenKrieg

[Voidhunger]

35 minutes ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

North africa would be great, but i higly doubt that. North africa is occupied by CloD. I am very unlucky about that.

Quite the opposite, they have no tech for the tanks and there is a possibility to use current planes what we have now in BOX.

I think that BOX users would be happy for one official desert map with detailed tank playground. We will have another TC game and they will have official desert map to play with hurricane and Bf109. I think its a chance to bring Africa to Box.

[JG27_Steini]

6 minutes ago, LachenKrieg said:

 

You lost me on the CloD thing @JG27_Steini, and at this point in the day, I can't claim that it is because I haven't had my coffee.

 

I dont get it, problably my english is not good enough

[LachenKrieg]

Just now, JG27_Steini said:

 

I dont get it, problably my english is not good enough

No I think your English is fine, its my slang vocabulary that might be amiss here. I don't understand the term "CloD". What does CloD mean?

[JG27_Steini]

Just now, LachenKrieg said:

No I think your English is fine, its my slang vocabulary that might be amiss here. I don't understand the term "CloD". What does CloD mean?

 

CloD = Cliffs of Dover. It occupied africa for all its content. Sorry my fault

[LachenKrieg]

Not your fault, I never played Cliffs of Dover.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Quite the opposite, they have no tech for the tanks and there is a possibility to use current planes what we have now in BOX.

I think that BOX users would be happy for one official desert map with detailed tank playground. We will have another TC game and they will have official desert map to play with hurricane and Bf109. I think its a chance to bring Africa to Box.

Yeah in fact, there are even screen shots of air battles over a desert setting as the game loads, so I was just assuming that the plane camo's pictured were also available in-game. So who's gonna tell 1C/777 to go ahead with it? They are almost there, we already know what the plane camo's will look like in the desert!

Edited January 4, 2021 by LachenKrieg

[Voidhunger]

Unfortunately we will have to wait at least year or more to see some news about TC2. 

Like in FC. Most probably 2 or 3 years

[LachenKrieg]

2 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Unfortunately we will have to wait at least year or more to see some news about TC2. 

Like in FC. Most probably 2 or 3 years

That's why I'm getting my request in now... Time fly's when your having fun.

[SCG_judgedeath3]

I dont mind if we get a barbarossa expansion or battle of france one, nor care for balance as myself as a simulator and ww2 loving person I want to experience fighting against the oddsa nd live and experience what the tankers did during these battles. And panzer III with short 50mm gn isnt much of a match against kv-1s but that makes it exciting to me, short barrelled panzer IV is a infantery support tank, near useless against other tanks, but I dont see any more use for more russian expansions besides later war ones like: bagration or battle of berlin.

What will sell a lot of tank crew and I have 15 friends waiting: is when they add king tiger and late war tanks and hellcats etc, those are the tanks that sell games, world of tanks and warthunder have made big pushes in the past to add as many late war tanks due to: they sell.

I would love to get africa korp expansion, fighting the british desert rats in nort africa

Red storm documentary you link above is good but incorrect at places and the intro where the germans are talking is taken from battlefield game xD
I can strongly suggest watching these documentaries:
Tanks:

Battlefield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAfcOYKMPP4&t=3073s

german war files panzer III:

scorched earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAaEotkZBJE

Most documentaries by david fletcher from bovington tank museum are top notch and best on the market :D

 

Edited January 4, 2021 by SCG_judgedeath3

[SCG_judgedeath3]

1 minute ago, =13NVO=Eeafanas said:

and I do not need to send this frank anti-Sovietism

Where did I mention any anti soviet opinions?

[SCG_judgedeath3]

30 minutes ago, =13NVO=Eeafanas said:

little to do with archives

David fletcher not working with archives nor bovington tank museum, worlds biggest tank museum with one of the biggest archives of ww2 and being considered the worlds expert on tanks? and blamed for anti soviet opinions whne showing good documentaries which are very researched in archives?
Ok I give up here.

Edited January 4, 2021 by SCG_judgedeath3

[SCG_SchleiferGER]

1 hour ago, =13NVO=Eeafanas said:

the films you sent themselves are with an anti-Soviet note.

little to do with archives.  watch lectures by historians Alexei Isaev, he works directly in the military archives of the CIS

 

Sadly I can neither read cyrillic subtitles nor understand the language.

Can you give me/us a summary?

 

Well, the only thing I can make out is the anti soviet propaganda picture in the background of the thumbnail, but that's it.

[RIVALDO]

Guys,this is pointless. One side will say that the other side hates everything soviet/russian and call them the german loving sob's.The other side will say the soviet data is bullshit,lies and provide their own evidence and archives.Both are taking it too far proving to one another who's right, based on YouTube videos they've watched and the books they've read. No one wins.But it's fun as hell to watch!?

Edited January 5, 2021 by RIVALDO

[Enzo38]

2 hours ago, =13NVO=Eeafanas said:

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Не мешай людям с «историческим образованием» дискутировать ??

 

YouTube has a subtitle translation function.  Turn on Russian subtitles, then click on the gear again and there will be a button to translate the subtitles, and choose any language you need

 

Unfortunately, the translation is non sense and mostly impossible to catch any sentences.

I understand he was talking of the great myth of ww2 on the Eastern front, one of them was that out of ten only one soldier has a rifle, but it's more or less all I get...

it's interesting to see that historian continue to work on historical data from ww2.

 

also, David Fletcher is really good source of reading on UK armored.

[SCG_SchleiferGER]

3 hours ago, Enzo38 said:

 

Unfortunately, the translation is non sense and mostly impossible to catch any sentences.

I understand he was talking of the great myth of ww2 on the Eastern front, one of them was that out of ten only one soldier has a rifle, but it's more or less all I get...

That's what I could understand:

 

One rifle per 10 troops was a rahter drastic exception which occured only with either auxiliary troops like militia or troops which weren't riflemen, but rather truck drivers or artillery gunners. The Soviet Union also had the gear from ww1 still in storage when the invasion happened, so shortages were unlikely. If there were shortages it all came down to priortisation of which troops needed the rifles most and which could do without them for now.

 

On the other hand there is the example of the Volkssturm which had to be largely armed by looted rifles. But even tose armories full of looted weapons were running low at that point.

The production capacity just wasn't there in late war. On top of that were simply no stocks of rifles around any more. Every gun that could be used was already in use and every gun that was unusable was on its way to a furnace to get the metal back for something usefull. It went so far that the Vokssturm tended do use the Panzerfaust as anti-everything-weapon.

[Enzo38]

yes, agreed. there is some really interesting reading on the economic side of ww2, I'm thinking especially of "The economics of WW2" by Mark Harrison. anyway this divert us from the original subject of this thread

[Raptor341]

Personally, I'd love to see the GBS tackle 1939, 1940, 1941 - if I had to chose a single theater it would be France 1940, followed by Africa in 1941. Keep in mind, this is both either TC or aviation, I much prefer the early war, though sadly it often gets pushed back for the late war.

 

Catching up with this thread, all I can say is that in my opinion, balance in wargame or simulator is pointless. Model the equipment and logistics as it was, and then simply give options for setting up MP servers so that if they want a more balanced set up they can, but balance for balance sake is rather pointless, at least from the perspective of a simulator.

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

1 hour ago, Raptor341 said:

Personally, I'd love to see the GBS tackle 1939, 1940, 1941 - if I had to chose a single theater it would be France 1940, followed by Africa in 1941. Keep in mind, this is both either TC or aviation, I much prefer the early war, though sadly it often gets pushed back for the late war.

 

Catching up with this thread, all I can say is that in my opinion, balance in wargame or simulator is pointless. Model the equipment and logistics as it was, and then simply give options for setting up MP servers so that if they want a more balanced set up they can, but balance for balance sake is rather pointless, at least from the perspective of a simulator.

Yeah the French could have beaten the germans with the charb1 if the upper command didn't have their head up their A$$!

[Raptor341]

The Dyle Plan, forward deploying to meet the Wehrmacht in a meeting engagement allowed the Allied line to get outflanked, in a one sentence explanation. I agree, plan E, holding the French frontier with a strong defensive line might well have stopped the Germans in their tracks, at least for some time. French armour is good overall and in a more static battle would have proved its worth.

I find it odd that many believe that the fall of France in 1940 was a sure thing, because history tells us that it could have been anything but. This being said, once the Germans used their superior operational mobility and broke through at the Meuse, the Allies couldn't regain control of the situation. 

 

And who doesn't want to drive a Char B1?  

[SCG_judgedeath3]

17 hours ago, Raptor341 said:

I find it odd that many believe that the fall of France in 1940 was a sure thing, because history tells us that it could have been anything but. This being said, once the Germans used their superior operational mobility and broke through at the Meuse, the Allies couldn't regain control of the situation. 

Same like the myths of many american documentaries of modern time spews out:
French tank were worse than german tanks, germany had more tanks, french soldiers didnt stand and fight, german army was 100% mechanised etc.

While in reality:
France and UK combined had almost 1000 more tanks than the germans and of better quality: armour and guns, germans at the time had around 70% of their armored force consisting of Panzer I and IIs and light tanks.
In the air the allieds had also more airplanes than the luftwaffe had.
The weakness of the allieds plans were:
1: They were still thinking in ww1 terms and immobile warfare where the infantery is the king of the battlefield, hence they were always thinking in infantery speed, every time the french and british tried to set up a new frontline they found out the germans already was there or past it and then needed to fall back further, or in the attack the counterattack would come too late. The french which was considered the best army in the world prior to ww2 was surten that they can defeate all attacks and their infantery could stop any tank attacks as shown in the war excercises hence they let infantery division to hold big lines and didnt expect tanks to break through, and expected the germans to play ball and use ww1 tactics, but instead used rapid advance and combined warfare which showed rapid movement was its own for of defence.
2: Doctrin and tactics where the allieds expected ww1 v2 and used tanks as ifnantery support and spread them out along the line, the generals and officer made sure they were as far away from the front as possible and by doing so let the morale down with the soldiers, and making combined warfare impossible and slow communication, their tanks didnt have radios, besides the command tanks and the ideas from the french tank generals to create tank dicisions like the germans did was denied.
3: the allied plan consisted of: IF´s, if the germans attack or if the germans get here, or if the belgians are neutral, or if etc, their plans were only reactive and no iniative.
4: Old fashioned tactics and no combined arms warfare which enabled the german panzer divisions to penetrate the front and advance deep enabling those panzer I and IIs to be effective as they could advance rapidly and against infantery they are still effective.

Germans won due to their more modern tactics and use of tanks correctly and that all tanks had radios and trained deep penetration tactics and iniative, having the leaders close by and make decisions on the spot, unlike the french who waited long times to get new orders from the command what to do, germans on the other hand didnt wait and keept advancing.
By using tanks in panzer division they could overrun the few tanks they faced and break through and that sealed france defeate, they had better morale too as they seeked payback for the defeate in ww1 and the versailes treaty, while the french was still hurt by the losses in ww1.
Luftwaffe helped the ground when they encountered stiff resistance and overrun the allied airfleets as they in the air worked better together while the french and british airplanes were split along the frontline like their tanks.

As the battle of arras and the tank historian david fletcher etc said: if the allied had used their armour in the same way as germans or russians did and created their own tank division and used flexible tactics and conentrate their forces and better communications, their counter attacks would easily stopped the germans.

Defeating france wasnt a sure way win, but due to the state of the allieds and the germans more modern use of their forces they managed to bring the french a knock out blow.
I strongly suggest watching the documentaries: battlefield battle of france and, tanks fall of france that goes much deeper into this and how the germans could win.

17 hours ago, Raptor341 said:

And who doesn't want to drive a Char B1?  

Well in reality it wasnt as much fun as it can be in a game:
The commander is overworked, he has to: load the gun, aim and shot it, fix and load the machine gun, give orders to the tank soldiers in his tank, and have radio contact with the command, and if he is a squad leader: also keep an eye on the other tanks.
The driver besides driving the tank, is also the gunner and aimer of the hull mounted gun.
As David fletcher said: the vision out of the tank was poor and in battle the german tank crews said they often got very close to these tanks before they were spotted, could also be due to the crew as mentioned are quite busy handling their tank.
But when it do work and in a game then its fun as no german tank can knock it out frontally
Same for matilda 2

Edited January 6, 2021 by SCG_judgedeath3

[Enzo38]

After the Eastern Front, now we move to Fall Gelb !

Very good analysis @SCG_judgedeath3 add to this the logistic side of it, where French HQ have simply forgotten that air warfare was on-going and sending train to the front to supply unit doesn't work anymore without good air superiority.

 

Recreating France 40 operation at tactical level can be very interesting because of B1 or Somua S35.

Agree with @Raptor341 no need for balance at unit level, what may be done is to adjust victory condition.

 

Africa theater also can be interesting as the tactic used is different, I've seen a documentary from a FFL pilot, explaining that from his plane he was seeing the armored units making round in the sand to generate dust and then moving to the wing of this dust to flank the enemy at the last moment.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

France 1940 would be an awesome scenario, both regarding Tanks and aircraft.

I guess it would make more sense to first release a "BoF" with the usual 5 aircraft per side (very interesting line-ups possible indeed) and afterwards take a certain part of the map, up the fidelity to a Kursk level and give us the ground forces (not only tanks for this timeframe, but also tank destroyers like the Bison or armored vehicles like the MR 35 ZT3)

[Denum]

With how often threads get locked in here, I'm started to get concerned. 

[FTC_Tobi_der_Ossi]

I thi knit shouldn't go the way we like or how it would be more enjoyable. It should bring players and money. There is a huge potential for players from the Usa if TC2 would feature Vehicles the Americans love. M4A3E2 and M4A3E8 especially. Or also the Cromwell for the British. Maybe the Comet and Churchill. This would get more people in the game that aren't playing currently because they ate no wehraboos and just don't like Russian tanks. I would like a Setting personally for Normandy with Churchill, Cromwell, Firefly, M4A1 76w,M4A1 and on German site Panther G, Tiger E, Panzer IV H, Hetzer and maybe a more modern Pz III or a Self. Propelled Gun like Marder. 

[LachenKrieg]

1 hour ago, Tobi_der_Ossi said:

I thi knit shouldn't go the way we like or how it would be more enjoyable. It should bring players and money. There is a huge potential for players from the Usa if TC2 would feature Vehicles the Americans love. M4A3E2 and M4A3E8 especially. Or also the Cromwell for the British. Maybe the Comet and Churchill. This would get more people in the game that aren't playing currently because they ate no wehraboos and just don't like Russian tanks. I would like a Setting personally for Normandy with Churchill, Cromwell, Firefly, M4A1 76w,M4A1 and on German site Panther G, Tiger E, Panzer IV H, Hetzer and maybe a more modern Pz III or a Self. Propelled Gun like Marder. 

That being said, the Russian tanks in the current Tank Crew are modeled to a slightly better level then the German tanks IMO. So I'm not sure how popular Russian tanks are with the N.A. crowd, but anyone sitting on the fence trying to decide is likely to be pleased with what you get in Tank Crew.

 

The T34 (1943) for example is the flagship of the TC module IMO with the Sherman close behind if we compare detail on the inside of each tank and the features modeled. The KV has the rear turret MG, and the other nice thing about the current Russian lineup is the variation in play style the self-propelled assault guns offer. It would be interesting to see the results of a poll on this forum showing what the most popular tank is.

[FTC_Tobi_der_Ossi]

7 hours ago, LachenKrieg said:

That being said, the Russian tanks in the current Tank Crew are modeled to a slightly better level then the German tanks IMO. So I'm not sure how popular Russian tanks are with the N.A. crowd, but anyone sitting on the fence trying to decide is likely to be pleased with what you get in Tank Crew.

 

The T34 (1943) for example is the flagship of the TC module IMO with the Sherman close behind if we compare detail on the inside of each tank and the features modeled. The KV has the rear turret MG, and the other nice thing about the current Russian lineup is the variation in play style the self-propelled assault guns offer. It would be interesting to see the results of a poll on this forum showing what the most popular tank is.

Yes. The Tank looks great. But to get tbe "yankees" in the game and to buy it, ot needs American vehicles with American crew in it. The P51 was the reason why many people bought Bodenplatte. This Map shows so many well known places that the Americans know from their 24/7 History Channel Shows about their brave boys. The Sherman we got was only used by British mainly in Italy and USA in the Pacific. Nothing realy for the Bodenplatte map. So if the Devs want ti attract new players, that don't have TC yet, they should pick US and British Tanks in 1944 since they would attract the most people who are interested in Tanks. 

[LachenKrieg]

3 hours ago, Tobi_der_Ossi said:

Yes. The Tank looks great. But to get tbe "yankees" in the game and to buy it, ot needs American vehicles with American crew in it. The P51 was the reason why many people bought Bodenplatte. This Map shows so many well known places that the Americans know from their 24/7 History Channel Shows about their brave boys. The Sherman we got was only used by British mainly in Italy and USA in the Pacific. Nothing realy for the Bodenplatte map. So if the Devs want ti attract new players, that don't have TC yet, they should pick US and British Tanks in 1944 since they would attract the most people who are interested in Tanks. 

I agree. I am all for the addition of collector vehicles, or a TC2 when it comes time. I just hope we see a few additions as collector vehicles because a TC2 if it ever does get announced isn't likely going to be for a long while from now. But I was just pointing out for others that don't have Tank Crew yet that the current Russian vehicles in-game are just as interesting and fun to play with, and seem to be even modeled to a little higher standard then the German tanks.

[FTC_Tobi_der_Ossi]

3 hours ago, LachenKrieg said:

I agree. I am all for the addition of collector vehicles, or a TC2 when it comes time. I just hope we see a few additions as collector vehicles because a TC2 if it ever does get announced isn't likely going to be for a long while from now. But I was just pointing out for others that don't have Tank Crew yet that the current Russian vehicles in-game are just as interesting and fun to play with, and seem to be even modeled to a little higher standard then the German tanks.

Yeah,but this People have no bindings with this Vehicles. I know many People who only started BoX with Bodenplatte because they had no interest in Eastern Front. Same goes for Tanks Many potential customers in the west (England and USA) know the Storys maybe from their grandpas or even the History Channel about their glorius Sherman Tonk or the hard Tank fights in Normandy or the Battle of the Bulge. Non or less the Movie Fury is some sort of advertising new people in the Tank Topic. I know for many east Europeans and the Russians here in the Forum and the developers that the T34 is the most holy thing on earth and it was the great patriotic war. But for people on the other site of the World,its different. I think most people who are interested in TC1 already have it or wait for the first major discount to buy it. But looking at Facebook,Reddit or even the Forums of other Tank Games there are alot of potential Players who dosent seem to be targeted by TC1. For me it seems TC1 is targeting for Wehraboos that want to drive Tiger and Panther and Gopniks who dream about the great patriotic war. 

[LachenKrieg]

59 minutes ago, Tobi_der_Ossi said:

Yeah,but this People have no bindings with this Vehicles. I know many People who only started BoX with Bodenplatte because they had no interest in Eastern Front. Same goes for Tanks Many potential customers in the west (England and USA) know the Storys maybe from their grandpas or even the History Channel about their glorius Sherman Tonk or the hard Tank fights in Normandy or the Battle of the Bulge. Non or less the Movie Fury is some sort of advertising new people in the Tank Topic. I know for many east Europeans and the Russians here in the Forum and the developers that the T34 is the most holy thing on earth and it was the great patriotic war. But for people on the other site of the World,its different. I think most people who are interested in TC1 already have it or wait for the first major discount to buy it. But looking at Facebook,Reddit or even the Forums of other Tank Games there are alot of potential Players who dosent seem to be targeted by TC1. For me it seems TC1 is targeting for Wehraboos that want to drive Tiger and Panther and Gopniks who dream about the great patriotic war. 

Very well said, and I couldn't agree more, there is a huge potential. But I don't think the potential rests just with the tank type alone, I think it is also wrapped up in the type of game play available. There is no doubt in my mind that by adding the tanks you mentioned, they would certainly draw more interest in Tank Crew, but the tempo of the action is also an important part of reaching mass appeal. 

[DD_Crash]

What DD FunFlak had to say when asked if TC was worth getting He is an American living in Ohio

Absolutely buy. I thought tanks would be boring after all the flying but they are really fun

Tank Crew is getting rather popular with the DangerDogz 

[gunmetalstug]

As an American, I personally don't care about getting Western Front content first. I mean, I would obviously still like to see Western Front stuff added (more content for this excellent game will always be welcome), but I would prefer a full fleshing-out of the Eastern Front. Personally, I'd love to see Bagration content, or perhaps something from the Vistula-Oder Offensive. And while I prefer late-war Eastern Front tank engagements and models (particularly the IS-2), the fact remains that Tank Crew at release is an exceptional starting point for pretty much any DLC concept.

 

North Africa? Sure!

Fall of France? Sign me up.

'44 Bocage Country? I'm down.

Barbarossa? Absolutely.

Invasion of Italy? I'll bring pizza.

Battle of the Bulge? Yes please!

 

In my opinion, however, expanding the Eastern Front content might be the best call. The devs are more familiar with it, and there's still some gaps in the Clash at Prokhorovka content that could be filled out with Collector Tanks or additional maps and missions. I don't speak for them though, so we'll see what comes next!

 

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by gunmetalstug
Removed profanity after checking rules!

[Enceladus828]

If they’re going to do a FC2/3, then they need to do a TC2.

 

[gunmetalstug]

On 1/29/2021 at 10:59 AM, Enceladus said:

If they’re going to do a FC2/3, then they need to do a TC2.

At the risk of sounding absurdly pedantic, I think the specific "Tank Crew 2" designation doesn't fit with what Tank Crew accomplished. From what I've read, Flying Circus 2/3 is more about rebuilding and refining existing content into a new package. While 'Clash at Prokhorovka' could definitely use some additions and some tweaks, it is - in my opinion - a far more complete package than Flying Circus was at its release (though this is just my impression from what I've read).

 

I think new campaigns in the existing  'Battle of Moscow', 'Battle of Kuban', and 'Battle of Bodenplatte' mold would be a better fit. So instead of a 'Volume II', it'd be something like 'Battle of the Bocage', 'Clash at Courland', 'Blood on the Vistula', 'Siege of Tobruk' etc.

 

I don't know why I felt the need to make this super-pedantic distinction. ?

[FTC_Tobi_der_Ossi]

Im Fine with any Setting as long its balanced. Tiger and Panther vs 75mm Sherman and 76mm T34 isn't that enjoyable. I whould like to see a Setting first that whould add Vehicles on the Allied Site that whould make the existing vehicles balanced. For example T34-85 or 76mm Sherman so the existing Vehicles can still be used. Bt7 and other early War Vehicles wouldn't change anything on the balancing problems on online servers. I just encountered with my 2 Sherman's on a Tiger and a Panther. We destroyed the Panther with luck but had no chance on the Tiger at that distance. 

[JG27_Steini]

43 minutes ago, Tobi_der_Ossi said:

Im Fine with any Setting as long its balanced. Tiger and Panther vs 75mm Sherman and 76mm T34 isn't that enjoyable. I whould like to see a Setting first that whould add Vehicles on the Allied Site that whould make the existing vehicles balanced. For example T34-85 or 76mm Sherman so the existing Vehicles can still be used. Bt7 and other early War Vehicles wouldn't change anything on the balancing problems on online servers. I just encountered with my 2 Sherman's on a Tiger and a Panther. We destroyed the Panther with luck but had no chance on the Tiger at that distance. 

 

You are right with the Tiger, it is very strong. The only advantage of the Panther is the great canon and it is easily blown up. Balancing will always be a big problem for a simulation and can not be the aim to achieve. As a german player i see that we often have an advantage with fighter, but lacking of better ground attacking planes like IL2. 

[FTC_Tobi_der_Ossi]

1 hour ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

You are right with the Tiger, it is very strong. The only advantage of the Panther is the great canon and it is easily blown up. Balancing will always be a big problem for a simulation and can not be the aim to achieve. As a german player i see that we often have an advantage with fighter, but lacking of better ground attacking planes like IL2. 

There are enough Theaters where Balancing would be Possible. Like 1944 Westfront or 1944 Eastern Front. The T34-85 would definitely change the Situation in Groundbattles. Same with Su85 or JS2. Or ISU122. Dame goes for western front 44/45. There you could have everything from M10/M18,M4A3 76w or even the M26. It would also be balanced if they took a theater shortly before Prokorovka. But chosen the Time where Germany had just brand new the Tiger, Panther and Ferdinand and the Aliies had not yet made counter developments is for balancing awful. Even just early 1944 with Soviet M4A2 76W would be a Tank that could take on the Tiger. 

[JG27_Steini]

6 hours ago, Tobi_der_Ossi said:

There are enough Theaters where Balancing would be Possible. Like 1944 Westfront or 1944 Eastern Front. The T34-85 would definitely change the Situation in Groundbattles. Same with Su85 or JS2. Or ISU122. Dame goes for western front 44/45. There you could have everything from M10/M18,M4A3 76w or even the M26. It would also be balanced if they took a theater shortly before Prokorovka. But chosen the Time where Germany had just brand new the Tiger, Panther and Ferdinand and the Aliies had not yet made counter developments is for balancing awful. Even just early 1944 with Soviet M4A2 76W would be a Tank that could take on the Tiger. 

 

Dont call it "balance" because balance and simulation does not fit together. You wish better tanks to fight the Tigre, that is understandable and we all hope that there will be more tanks. But you will never get a balance into this game, and i hope there will never be. The bad news are that when there will be a late western front, even the german tanks will develop and i dont have to tell you what that means ?

 

Dont forget that in reality there were a small number of Tigre's vs. numerous T34, so it its up to the server or mission designer to limit the number of Tigre's. So choose the server wisely. I recommend Finish Air War Server. There are no Tigres's only Panzer III and Panzer IV vs Sherman and T34. That is solving your problem. Btw. this is unbalanced because T34 is better than PzIII and PzIV. I heard no one crying yet, so feel free to bust some german tanks easily 

Edited February 1, 2021 by JG27_Steini

[No_Face]

I remember a report in which a man said:

"The purpose of war is to create an imbalance to ensure victory."

(something like that )

 

I rarely play the tiger. I know he can take damage but I don't necessarily find him invincible. To be honest, when I cash in too much, I mostly think about the possibility that there is a bug.

My main tank is the Pz. IV G and playing it allowed me to see the advantage of Russian tanks.

 

The Russians have two advantages: their color but above all, their sights!

If you know how to use your sights in the right conditions, you will hurt the opponent a lot.

[SCG_judgedeath3]

To not mention their speed on road and off road. Kv-1 for good armour and good optics. 

 

Also its a simulator and it recreates battles and m26 never took part in a major battle and only 3 confirmed tank engagements in late 1945 and very few was in europe. Also the germans would then get king tiger, jagdpanther and jagdtiger etc and those the allied tanks cant frontally, similair to how it is like to fight like tiger 1 for the most part now. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by SCG_judgedeath3

[ShampooX]

In my limited playing of the Quick Missions so far I can tell you that the Tiger can get penned by any 75, quite easily from the side at least out to 1000M.  And angling does unfortunately appear to lead to more severed tracks, so until that gets fixed a "front facing enemy" approach on the Tiger is best.   The thing I love about this game so far is if it's 1943, I won't be seeing any tanks out there from 1944.....or 1964 as is the case with the other tank games.  While it'd be fun to have a King Tiger, it's just gonna have to wait.   With a little more practice and key-stroke muscle memory, I should be getting online later this week.  I'm big into the 3.0+ K/D ratio and it helps to know what your doing before you get started.  So, as we used to say in war - "fix em', flank em', f*ck em."