MC.202 Poached Eggs Mimetico

[FTC_Derplo]

Hello,

 

I must give credit to whomever made the stock Desert Wings - Tobruk skin as I used the base layer, removed the emblems, and modified it into the Italian "Poached Eggs" camouflage. To my knowledge there is not yet a blank template for the MC.202 released yet (and if so, can someone point me to a place I might find it?). I eventually plan to turn this into the 4 Stormo, 96 Squadriglia Rosso 8 however figured I'd give a blank variant in case anyone would like to use it to make their own skin.

 

 

V2 below:

 

 

 

Let me know your thoughts, comments, suggestions!

 

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Edited December 6, 2020 by Control_Freq

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

Horrible skin, completly unhystoric!

 

Explain me why using a green skin over desert sands?

 

To help ALLIED to been seen better?

 

If you need some hystoric pictures, type me a msg.

Edited December 5, 2020 by ITA-SUP-Bigans

[Trooper117]

Calm down mate... you've been taking too many E numbers in those smarties haven't you... how about giving him some positive comments for actually making a skin?

[FTC_Derplo]

12 hours ago, ITA-SUP-Bigans said:

Horrible skin, completly unhystoric!

 

Explain me why using a green skin over desert sands?

 

To help ALLIED to been seen better?

 

If you need some hystoric pictures, type me a msg.

 

 

You are incorrect. While the camo was intended for continental use, following the British Operation Compass Italian aircraft were rushed into the African theater and it did not matter their camo scheme as they did not have time to change it. As is seen below:

 

 

 

 

 

As for the specific "Poach Eggs Camo," officially known as Mimetico C8 for the MC.202 it was used by several aircraft I know of in the African theater:

 

1.) 1o Stormo C.T, 17o Gruppo, 71a Squadriglia - November/December 1941, Martubah, Libya

 

and 

2.) 4o Stormo, 9 Gruppo, 96/97 Squadriglia
"On 25th November 1941, 96 and 97 Squadriglia transferred to Libya to check out their non-tropical fighters in desert conditions."
- Dunning, Courage Alone: The Italian Airforce 1940-1943. Hikoki Productions (2009), pg. 47
 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Control_Freq

[FTC_Derplo]

Updated - more accurate to 96/97 Squadriglia 4o Stormo 9 Gruppo. I also made the brown 'splotches' a more reddish-brown

 

 

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Edited December 6, 2020 by Control_Freq

[FurphyForum]

17 hours ago, ITA-SUP-Bigans said:

Horrible skin, completly unhystoric!

 

Explain me why using a green skin over desert sands?

 

To help ALLIED to been seen better?

 

If you need some hystoric pictures, type me a msg.

 

No, not unhistorical at all, some reading for you as 343KKT_Kintaro asked about the colours of the Regia Aeronautica

 

A few questions on Italian liveries - General Discussion - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

[5th_Hellrider]

Very good skin and also historical.

Nice job ?

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

On 12/6/2020 at 7:00 AM, Control_Freq said:

You are incorrect. While the camo was intended for continental use, following the British Operation Compass Italian aircraft were rushed into the African theater and it did not matter their camo scheme as they did not have time to change it. As is seen below:

 

As for the specific "Poach Eggs Camo," officially known as Mimetico C8 for the MC.202 it was used by several aircraft I know of in the African theater:

 

1.) 1o Stormo C.T, 17o Gruppo, 71a Squadriglia - November/December 1941, Martubah, Libya

 

 

This seems not to be Poached Eggs, but continental with sand spots (IMHO)

 

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2.) 4o Stormo, 9 Gruppo, 96/97 Squadriglia
"On 25th November 1941, 96 and 97 Squadriglia transferred to Libya to check out their non-tropical fighters in desert conditions."
- Dunning, Courage Alone: The Italian Airforce 1940-1943. Hikoki Productions (2009), pg. 47
 

 

The first 96-6 is not Poached Eggs, but continental with sand spots and white nose, IMHO it could be shot even in Sicily because those trees (palms) are also sicilian ones (not necessary Libia, the presence of some S 79 let me think to Castelvetrano/Pantelleria/Sciacca) but I'm not sure.

 

The second 97 is Poached Eggs with yellow nose, IMHO photo was shot in Comiso AB in november 1941.

 

I could show you hundred of pictures of skins completely wrong printed in many books about Regia Aeronautica's...let them away please, not confuse over and over again.

 

Let's talk about photos, not paintings.

 

The 4th stormo was transferred in Libia in short time and obiviously planes were not painted before the flight from Pantelleria to Castel Benito AF (Tripoli). So they arrived with this continental skin. Some pictures were shot before they had chanced camouflage by the S.R.A.M. (Squadra Riparazioni Aeromobili e Motori) in Bengasi/Berka AF.

 

So for few days they were in not operational front line AFs, waiting new paintings and desert filters.

 

P.s.: horrible was my personal opinion, not an offense to anyone.

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by ITA-SUP-Bigans

[FTC_Derplo]

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The 4th stormo was transferred in Libia in short time and obiviously planes were not painted before the flight from Pantelleria to Castel Benito AF (Tripoli). So they arrived with this continental skin. Some pictures were shot before they had chanced camouflage by the S.R.A.M. (Squadra Riparazioni Aeromobili e Motori) in Bengasi/Berka AF.

 

So for few days they were in not operational front line AFs, waiting new paintings and desert filters.

 

This certainly seems plausible, but I would very much like to see a credible source that confirms this. Forgive me if I find it hard to believe that the aircraft were not utilized until they received desert painting, given the RA's losses in 1941, but I am also not terribly familiar with the procedures of the S.R.A.M.

 

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P.s.: horrible was my personal opinion, not an offense to anyone.

 

No offense taken! I appreciate the discussion ?

[5th_Barone]

On 12/5/2020 at 6:59 PM, ITA-SUP-Bigans said:

Horrible skin, completly unhystoric!

 

Explain me why using a green skin over desert sands?

 

To help ALLIED to been seen better?

 

If you need some hystoric pictures, type me a msg.

LoL you should chill out a bit mate!

 

If you want to criticize other people works at least post some material.

There's an interesting post on this forum opened few weeks ago about RA colours and paintschemes, @FurphyForum posted it above. I suggest to carry on the debate there so all remains on one post. But with materials and docs to compare. Otherwise it's just shouting and insult and it doesn't worth the talk.

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

1 hour ago, 5th_Barone said:

LoL you should chill out a bit mate!

 

.... Otherwise it's just shouting and insult and it doesn't worth the talk.

You should stop to interpretate my words in the wrong way. You're free not reading my posts.

 

Only you read an offense on a personal opinion.

4 hours ago, Control_Freq said:

 

This certainly seems plausible, but I would very much like to see a credible source that confirms this. Forgive me if I find it hard to believe that the aircraft were not utilized until they received desert painting, given the RA's losses in 1941, but I am also not terribly familiar with the procedures of the S.R.A.M.

 

 

No offense taken! I appreciate the discussion ?

For the moment I find evidences of the chance of skin for 4°Stormo in Libia in "Caccia e Assaltatori Regia Aeronautica - Bancarella Aeronautica" book. The skin was simply inverted, the green olive became nocciola and viceversa.

 

When I find time to search in other books I'll type here.

 

This skin it's good for Malta and Sicily.

Aer.Macchi MC 202 Folgore 73-96-97^ squadriglie 9°gruppo 4°Stormo C.T. Sept 1941 Comiso AB (sas1946.com)

 

 

 

[5th_Hellrider]

Watching better the skin, I think, the white band is too large maybe, and should be move a bit (just a bit) on back. 

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

Control Freq I send a pic to Barone it's a group pilots photo, showing the Folgore 96-10 in Libia in september 1942. The plane has"sand" template with light green spots, plus the propeller ogive, the fuselage band, and the external wings painted in white. Plus in the book "I soliti 4 gatti/The same 4 cats" Giulio Lazzati, pag.94, VII chapter is typed: "...Two planes of 1° stormo, after take off, made a flight over tents; they are painted like our (Folgores): sand color with little green spots, the propeller ogive and tip of the wings white....as the band in fuselage back of cockpit." They started from Sicily on 20th May 1942 while first action was 26th May. Maybe they were painted after Libyan landing.

[5th_Barone]

I received no images, they have been posted on an italian discord server. As I wrote there, I suggest to post the images here in order for everyone to see it.

 

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

On 12/8/2020 at 6:50 PM, ITA-SUP-Bigans said:

Control Freq I send a pic to Barone it's a group pilots photo, showing the Folgore 96-10 in Libia in september 1942. The plane has"sand" template with light green spots, plus the propeller ogive, the fuselage band, and the external wings painted in white. Plus in the book "I soliti 4 gatti/The same 4 cats" Giulio Lazzati, pag.94, VII chapter is typed: "...Two planes of 1° stormo, after take off, made a flight over tents; they are painted like our (Folgores): sand color with little green spots, the propeller ogive and tip of the wings white....as the band in fuselage back of cockpit." They started from Sicily on 20th May 1942 while first action was 26th May. Maybe they were painted after Libyan landing.

 

4 stormo (9 and 10 gruppo) was employed in Libia since June 1940 flying fiat cr42 till the end of January 1941. Then after a short period of rest, they made the training on Macchi 200 Saetta, but at half 1941 they were selected as the first Stormo to fly Macchi 202 Folgore. In the late September 1941 they were deployed in Comiso AB Sicily to operate Vs Malta's Hurricanes and planes were painted just as you did in your skin, except for the propeller ogive and half engine cover, that were painted yellow.

 

This deployment ended in late May 1942, when planes were early transferred to Martuba AF cooperating with 1 stormo (Folgores already equipped) in order to war's urgency. Even 1 stormo had the continental livery with sand spots at the beginning of its deployment in Lybia, like this macchi 202 wreck - Bing images, but the 17 gruppo repainted few days after in Martuba on 25 th November 1941, first combat action 27 of the same month.

 

While the 6 gruppo 1 stormo made paintings and desert modifications in homeland, before deployment in Libia too.

 

On 4th December 1941 first Folgore was shot down by hurricane, but S.Ten Chellini 72 squadriglia 17 gruppo 4 stormo managed to land in enemy field and escape. The wreck of Folgore had Continental skin (totally green pag 37) not eggs or spots one as I can see by photo.

 

Another Folgore was shot down on 12th December 1941 Ten. Conti 71 squadriglia 17 gruppo 4 stormo managed to landing near AF, skin was sand with light green spots (page 9, 13, 23, 48 pictures of 1941) like this macchi 202 wreck - Bing images or this macchi 202 wreck - Bing images or this macchi 202 wreck - Bing images or https://images.app.goo.gl/uzsREXxmfH9o2tij9 or this https://images.app.goo.gl/eFNKc8fPnVstxWak6

 

This is the evidence they were repainted in few days. This is printed in book "Ali d'Africa" Palermo/Slongo, IBN editore.

Edited December 9, 2020 by ITA-SUP-Bigans

[FTC_Derplo]

very interesting, thank you very much for the information Bigans!

[5th_Hellrider]

No idea where and when:

 

Surely in Africa scenario the planes were painted with the "desert camouflage", but probably in the first time some may still have had the "poached eggs camouflage". I have no idea how long this transition may have lasted. There are some photos that still show the eggs in Africa.

 

In any case, the "poached eggs camouflage" is to be considered historical because it is certainly used in other scenarios, such as in operations on the Mediterranean/Malta. In that case, as in the proposed skin, they had a white ogive.

 

Here the same plane, or at least with the same markings, in a museum near Rome (personal pics):

 

 

 

 

[Skywarp]

Very beautiful skin, fantastic job!!

[FTC_Derplo]

Updated Skins!

 

Template Link: 96a Squadriglia, 9° Gruppo, 4° Stormo (Red 8)

 

 

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Template Link: 96a Squadriglia, 9° Gruppo, 4° Stormo (Red 6)

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by Control_Freq

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

I own many books with pics of MC 202 Folgore and I never seen the black or white background under wing fasces. Evidence of this is also typed in Courage Alone Dunning at page 258 "By 1942 the background colour was deleted to allow the camouflage to show through. Prior to this being officially adopted, some units had already overpainted the upper white circle for better concealment." by ebook format.

 

About my knowledge a typed order from Regia Aeronautica since April 1941 stated that the wing fasces would be neutral, but I should search every page.

Anyway an almost perfect job! Thx

[FTC_Derplo]

On 1/1/2021 at 12:43 PM, ITA-SUP-Bigans said:

I own many books with pics of MC 202 Folgore and I never seen the black or white background under wing fasces. Evidence of this is also typed in Courage Alone Dunning at page 258 "By 1942 the background colour was deleted to allow the camouflage to show through. Prior to this being officially adopted, some units had already overpainted the upper white circle for better concealment." by ebook format.

 

About my knowledge a typed order from Regia Aeronautica since April 1941 stated that the wing fasces would be neutral, but I should search every page.

Anyway an almost perfect job! Thx

Hi Bigans,

 

Sorry for the late reply. I do have some source footage for the "Negative" Fasces, or rather the reversed white/black on the roundel. The video below has a squadron of CANTZ1007bis with this same configuration at 20 seconds into the video
 

 

for this specific skin, the mimetico C8 of 96a Squadriglia, 9° Gruppo (4° Stormo) i did take from a render drawing, so I unfortunately cant confirm if it is accurate for this specific skin, but I can at least confirm that there is a precedent for the reversed color fasces. Hope you're doing well man, we should fly together sometime!

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by Control_freq

[ITA-SUP-Bigans]

Hi Derplo(Control_Freq?). I'm sure I saw this film in b/w version a few years ago. However I found the official ordinance number of 08/25/1941 which confirmed that the background color of the fasci had to be neutral from that day.