Developer Diary 262 - Discussion

[Luger1969]

The finest and greatest moment in il2...the mosquito.

[Chief_Mouser]

I once got to sit in the cockpit of the prototype Mossie at the museum. Really looking forward to sitting in the cockpit of the GB versions. ?

[FeuerFliegen]

Anyone know how much ammo the four 20mms carry?

 

and the ammo capacity on the 7.69mm MGs?

[Diggun]

 i think this is a bona fide classic at this stage.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, =EXPEND=CG_Justin said:

Holy hell, a 57mm AT gun! Who is going to be the first to troll the 57mm against aircraft!?

 

Probably me  

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Meanwhile though, we're getting what has to be the best choice for Normandy-map tree-top-level tactical-mayhem. 

 

Pre-invasion night time intruderesque sneakery.

[keeno]

One word........ moist!?

[Missionbug]

Absolutely gorgeous, the Mosquito fits the saying "if it looks right it is", even after all these years it remains one of the most impressive looking aircraft ever built.

 

Those crew men are also excellent, thank you very much for the update, really appreciated.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Dagwoodyt]

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Yeah, a glazed-nose bomber version would be nice.  And a radar-equipped night fighter...

 

 

Agree. I am a little bit disappointed that a glazed nose variant won't be offered.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

I have bought the German flak vehicle and will eventually buy the Soviet one when it eventually goes on sale, but have questions.Has anyone described how the upcoming AA guns will be used in game?

 

There's no mystery here...same as aircraft.

Meaning, whatever the mission designer decides to do. Who will create missions? Various people in multiplayer and single player.

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

I mean will we see them in TC or in some way during a “flight” mission.

 

Yes 

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

 

Will they be in dedicated missions on there own?

 

Yes

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

 

 

Will crews ( me/us ) just sit by their vehicles & hope enemy aircraft will be flying within range?

 

IF that's how the mission is designed and/or you find yourself in multiplayer.

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

 

 

Will enemy aircraft,when & if they come, target manned AA guns (me/us ?)

 

Are you asking if aircraft will shot at you?

Why wouldn't they? Coded AI says they will, humans certainly will.

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

I guess we’ll be able to travel down roads , but to what purpose?

 

To get to another spot? To achieve a goal given to you in the mission brief? To go sight seeing?

 

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

 

Though useless against tanks these guns could be devastating to ground troops but as others have pointed out we have no ground troops and there is no expectation of them in future developements  in TC. I like supporting the developers in almost any of the ways I can, but i have to admit with these new AA options I’m in mostly out of curiosity and to to add eye candy.

 

Come again?

 

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

Have these questions already been addressed ?

 

 

Yes

[Bremspropeller]

The Mosquito needs a new pilot-model.

 

A navigator.

Holding a map.

Upside down.

 

That would be me...

[busdriver]

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

We're getting the Tsetse! I'd somehow missed that, gawping at the model.

 

A small point of possible confusion regarding the gun though. It was a 57mm/6-pounder gun, used (by the muddy-boots guys) for anti-tank purposes. I don't think the Tsetse Mossies were ever employed in an anti-tank role though. And I'm not sure that it would have been particularly effective either, given the difficulty of aiming precisely. A U-Boat (or a surface ship) is a bigger target.

 

You are correct sir. They only served in Coastal Command squadrons...thus no anti-armour tasking/employment, that's according to the ORBs for the squadrons that flew them. The widespread use of RPs (first use on Mosquitos Oct 1944) reduced the need/desire for the Molins gun. In fact the last five operational Tsetse Mosquitos were transferred away from Banff to 254 Squadron (a Beaufighter squadron) at North Coates as an additional flight.

 

Narratives of the testing and employment mention the need for having two reticles, one for the .303s and one for the Molins. Plus the small number of rounds.

Edited October 2, 2020 by busdriver

[Gambit21]

46 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Mosquito needs a new pilot-model.

 

A navigator.

Holding a map.

Upside down.

 

That would be me...

 

...and his own coms/calls.

”Too low mate...TOO LOW!!”

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Gambit21

[Swing]

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Anyone know how much ammo the four 20mms carry?

 

and the ammo capacity on the 7.69mm MGs?

I'd like to know this too. I seem to recall thatthe 20mm were 160 RPG and 350 for the .303s. But that is just me spitballing from what I remember of Il-2 1946. I think there was also provision to carry extra ammo for the .303s. Honestly I would just leave off the MG, with 4 hispano clustered in the nose that could be perhaps the best armament in the game for taking out bombers or strafing. 

 

15 minutes ago, busdriver said:

 

You are correct sir. They only served in Coastal Command squadrons...thus no anti-armour tasking/employment, that's according to the ORBs for the squadrons that flew them. The widespread use of RPs (first use on Mosquitos Oct 1944) reduced the need/desire for the Molins gun. In fact the last five operational Tsetse Mosquitos were transferred away from Banff to 254 Squadron (a Beaufighter squadron) at North Coates as an additional flight.

 

Narratives of the testing and employment mention the need for having two reticles, one for the .303s and one for the Molins. Plus the small number of rounds.

I love anti-shipping missions, and I very badly want to run them in the Mossie. Considering my poor accuracy with rockets I might prefer the 6 pounder.

[Avimimus]

Very excited to get the two coastal command versions!

 

There is just one thing I don't understand:

 

Why not sell the Tse-tse and the RP-3 equipped version as separate Collector Planes? You could have sold this to me three times.

 

Similarly, the Hurricane IID... people would be curious... you could have sold us the IIA/IIB/IIC and the IID as separate aircraft!

 

Also the Fw-190F8... I would have paid a lot for that aircraft - but it was included as a barely noticed addition to the F8!

 

Why not release them as separate aircraft? Not that I I mind... but why? Why not?

[RedKestrel]

15 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

Very excited to get the two coastal command versions!

 

There is just one thing I don't understand:

 

Why not sell the Tse-tse and the RP-3 equipped version as separate Collector Planes? You could have sold this to me three times.

 

Similarly, the Hurricane IID... people would be curious... you could have sold us the IIA/IIB/IIC and the IID as separate aircraft!

 

Also the Fw-190F8... I would have paid a lot for that aircraft - but it was included as a barely noticed addition to the F8!

 

Why not release them as separate aircraft? Not that I I mind... but why? Why not?

Delivering lots of value to your customers is good business. Normandy is a touch more expensive than other modules but its already looking like it will be worth it and then some.

[RIVALDO]

HS129 and 110 can do it fine with their cannons...

[Freycinet]

If you haven't seen it, do yourself a favour and see this beautiful documentary about a guy in a whelchair getting to know his most favourite plane ever, the Mosquito, up close. The ending, when he finally flies in it, is very emotional. De Havilland Mosquito: The Plane That Saved Britain (part 1 of 2):

 

If you want to skip straight to the bit about the 57mm gun, go here (De Havilland Mosquito: The Plane That Saved Britain (part 2 of 2):

  

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..And a GREAT tale about flying the Mosquito operationally in WWII. Written by a former RCAF Mossie navigator, it is a book full of self-deprecating humour, vividly describing the terror and fear the author experienced every time he went up with his gung-ho pilot: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1622369.Terror_in_the_Starboard_Seat

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Freycinet

[Monksilver]

 

Something to keep us going until this gets released. Try not to drool.

[Gunbus]

 

[busdriver]

7 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Agree. I am a little bit disappointed that a glazed nose variant won't be offered.

 

If you agree with the premise that most GB players are of the SP variety rather than MP, then from a historical perspective glazed nose Bomber and PR variants would be problematic for a SP career.

 

There are a few historical reasons they don't fit for BoN career play. You can see the squadrons equipped with Mosquito bombers and when they became operational. I highlighted the ones available through August 1944. 

1) From June of 1943 the two operational Mosquito bomber squadrons (105 Sqdn and 139 Sqdn) switched to high altitude night missions becoming part of 8 Group (Pathfinder Force).

2) In July 1943, 105 Sqdn joined 109 Sqdn flying Oboe equipped Mk IXs (with noses painted over to hide the Oboe gear). 

3) In the immediate run up to D-Day, bomber Mosquito day sorties were almost exclusively medium altitude (15,000' to 20,000') Oboe sorties leading formation bombing. The exception was 627 Sqdn that was perfecting low altitude pathfinder marking. 2nd TAF experimented with FB six ship formation bombing whilst being lead by an Oboe Mosquito at these altitudes, but did not pursue this. 

4) Low level bomber formation raids were not typically practiced after 1943.

 

 

 

Having written all that, if the Devs made a bomber and PR version, I'd gift 24 of them. [Yes my first blatant attempt to get them to build it.] 

Edited October 2, 2020 by busdriver

[Freycinet]

8 minutes ago, busdriver said:

Having written all that, if the Devs made a bomber and PR version, I'd gift 24 of them. [Yes my first blatant attempt to get them to build it.] 

 

Wowsers!

[JG27*PapaFly]

Beautiful plane for sure. One has to admire those clean lines. I'm afraid most will be massacred by the luftwaffe while doing low level raids. FW-190 drivers instinctively start to salivate as soon as they see a Mossie below.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

My first real model kit, think this is Christmas 1975. 

 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

I'd like to know this too. I seem to recall thatthe 20mm were 160 RPG and 350 for the .303s. But that is just me spitballing from what I remember of Il-2 1946. I think there was also provision to carry extra ammo for the .303s. Honestly I would just leave off the MG, with 4 hispano clustered in the nose that could be perhaps the best armament in the game for taking out bombers or strafing. 

 

I love anti-shipping missions, and I very badly want to run them in the Mossie. Considering my poor accuracy with rockets I might prefer the 6 pounder.

 

3 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Anyone know how much ammo the four 20mms carry?

 

and the ammo capacity on the 7.69mm MGs?

@Talon_ looked into sortie reports and found the cannnon load was variable, sometimes with 160 rounds per gun, others with 240 rounds per gun.

 

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

Wonderful looking aircraft, hope the merlins sound great too.....no pressure

[RedKestrel]

2 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

@Talon_ looked into sortie reports and found the cannnon load was variable, sometimes with 160 rounds per gun, others with 240 rounds per gun.

 

Looking at my gunnery skills, I think I'm gonna push for the 240

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Freycinet said:

 

 

Yep - highly recommend.

[TheBlackPenguin]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Mosquito needs a new pilot-model.

 

A navigator.

Holding a map.

Upside down.

 

That would be me...

 

Me too:

 

 

 

[Retnek]

"Did you ever take part in any day-light raids?" ...

The veterans smile and his eyes shining 60 y later, perfect episode. The author sometimes gets lost in his Mossie-love, a bit more critical distance would have done good to the film. Anyhow, at the end it shows he's is in love with the plane, distance impossible. Thx for the hint, well worth the time.

[Trooper117]

You got me all hyped about the Hurri... then you show the bloody Mossie!

What are you trying to do?... give me some sort of seizure!

Merciless you lot are, bloody merciless!!!

[DN308]

@Jason_WilliamsI will do it. I will ask that question that you hate.

when would we have the mossie ????

That is one of my favorite plane

[Retnek]

57 minutes ago, [CPT]HarryM said:

My first real model kit, think this is Christmas 1975.

Same time, same event - could have been me, a few hours earlier on the other side of the Atlantic. It was another kit, but not much more difference, I suspect. I often had to walk some kilometres back home from school after the last bus-stop. Some of my favourite day-dreaming was to have my scale-models escorting me. 450 kph / 72 is 6 kph, perfect for me with 4 kph! What a pleasure it would have been to see large formations swinging above from left to right. Maybe we'll come to that point with micro-drones and group intelligence on a wind-still day? And a HUGE sub-woofer in the back-pack.
 The other dream was to sit in a cockpit of my favourite war-bird one fine day and fly it myself. Never owned one, never flew one - but when I start a good simulator on the PC, headset, track-ir, cockpit coming up ... I am the boy day-dreaming on my track back home. Such a luxury, no hunger, no cold, no war and still some childhood dreams to play with - what a tremendous luck!

[messsucher]

24 minutes ago, Retnek said:

Same time, same event - could have been me, a few hours earlier on the other side of the Atlantic. It was another kit, but not much more difference, I suspect. I often had to walk some kilometres back home from school after the last bus-stop. Some of my favourite day-dreaming was to have my scale-models escorting me. 450 kph / 72 is 6 kph, perfect for me with 4 kph! What a pleasure it would have been to see large formations swinging above from left to right. Maybe we'll come to that point with micro-drones and group intelligence on a wind-still day? And a HUGE sub-woofer in the back-pack.
 The other dream was to sit in a cockpit of my favourite war-bird one fine day and fly it myself. Never owned one, never flew one - but when I start a good simulator on the PC, headset, track-ir, cockpit coming up ... I am the boy day-dreaming on my track back home. Such a luxury, no hunger, no cold, no war and still some childhood dreams to play with - what a tremendous luck!

 

I made Mosquito too. But my favorite was Bf-110. Wrote a war novel about it, and dreamed when I grow big I buy one and travel around the world with a dog by it. What a disappointment it was to fly Bf-110 in Original IL-2 and realize it sucks ? In Their Finest Hour Bf-110 was awesome.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

My second kit was a 1/48 Monogram Typhoon, nice I will get to fly them both! My Dad actually built most of the Mosquito then I did the Typhoon all on my own. 

[[E621]dotDeutschland]

The Fliegerbluse on that guy is giving me some serious Vibes.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, dotDeutschland said:

The Fliegerbluse on that guy is giving me some serious Vibes.

 

That model is looking really good - nice to see that they modeled what looks to be the rank insignia of an Unterfeldwebel with the red Waffenfarbe of the Luftwaffe flak troops.

Edited October 2, 2020 by LukeFF

[Jade_Monkey]

Which nation is the last uniform. I can't tell.

[Pierre64]

 

36 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

(...) they modeled what looks to be the rank insignia of an Unterfeldwebel with the red Waffenfarbe of the Luftwaffe flak troops.

 

A Gefreiter IMO. Look at the sleeve chevron insigna.

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, Pierre64 said:

 

 

A Gefreiter IMO. Look at the sleeve chevron insigna.

 

Corporal (Gefreiter). 100% sure.

Edited October 3, 2020 by sevenless