Nvidia teases a 21 day countdown to unveil or release of the RTX 3000

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

And from which facts do these AMD always has buggy drivers come from? I am using a 5700XT with no issues with drivers in IL-2 series or any other game I play. 

 

I have used nVidia too(up to 2080Ti) and their drivers were not any worse or better than current AMD drivers are. Most problems seem to come when you OC both CPU/GPU and tweak the system. And not necessarily in the best possible way. Then it is easy to blame vendor of giving bad drivers, when it actually is the user at fault. 

 

[simfan2015]

@LLv34_Flanker 

19 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

I am using a 5700XT with no issues with drivers in IL-2 series or any other game I play.

First of all ... I admitted I am heavily biased towards Nvidia (all my gaming GPUs are/were Nvidia cards). 

I only wrote from what I read on so many gaming and HW websites ... but this may also be fake news to so extent !

Anyway, what I read always kept me, personally, from buying AMD 'gaming' GPUs in the past.

I may be very wrong and in this case ... I would like to be proven wrong.

I do not care aboute price/performance too much, but I do care a lot about stability.

About OC : there is not 1 Nvidia GPU that I did not overclock and I always got a few FPS out of the card without causing instability.

But as always ... YMMV and I do hope Big Navi will crush the Nvidia 3xxx series ... so much the better for us consumers !  

[RedKestrel]

26 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

And from which facts do these AMD always has buggy drivers come from? I am using a 5700XT with no issues with drivers in IL-2 series or any other game I play. 

 

I have used nVidia too(up to 2080Ti) and their drivers were not any worse or better than current AMD drivers are. Most problems seem to come when you OC both CPU/GPU and tweak the system. And not necessarily in the best possible way. Then it is easy to blame vendor of giving bad drivers, when it actually is the user at fault. 

 

Did you have trouble after the deferred rendering update? According to the devs the problems encountered there on AMD cards were driver bugs causing all that artifacting and necessitating the flurry of hotfixes.

[SCG_motoadve]

Will the 3090 fit in a same motherboard as a 2080? is it the same kind of connector?

Will it be compatible with Gigabyte Z370 AORUS GAMING mbo?

 

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Z370-AORUS-GAMING-WIFI-rev-10#kf

[unlikely_spider]

5 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Will the 3090 fit in a same motherboard as a 2080? is it the same kind of connector?

Will it be compatible with Gigabyte Z370 AORUS GAMING mbo?

 

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Z370-AORUS-GAMING-WIFI-rev-10#kf

It will "fit" on virtually any motherboard built in recent history. It's just PCIe. The better questions are whether it will fit in your case and whether your power supply is sufficient.

[SCG_motoadve]

1 minute ago, unlikely_spider said:

It will "fit" on virtually any motherboard built in recent history. It's just PCIe. The better questions are whether it will fit in your case and whether your power supply is sufficient.

I know , its huge! 1000W power supply is enough?

[unlikely_spider]

2 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

I know , its huge! 1000W power supply is enough?

Yes, you should be good there, lol

[Jaws2002]

AMD to release Zen 3 based Ryzen CPU's on October 8th and RDNA2 based graphics cards on October 28th.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-introduce-zen3-on-october-8-radeon-rx-6000-series-on-october-28

 

Busy hardware season.

Edited September 9, 2020 by Jaws2002

[coconut]

4 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Did you have trouble after the deferred rendering update? According to the devs the problems encountered there on AMD cards were driver bugs causing all that artifacting and necessitating the flurry of hotfixes.

That's what I was thinking of. See

 

It wasn't the first time. An earlier update, I think it was the one doing the move to Dx11 had smoke effects look like storms of confetti. The fix took away a bit of the performance gains the update had introduced, which was unfortunate for the people with NVidia cards who were not affected.

To be fair, people with NVidia 7x0 series cards got crashes that never got really fixed, IIRC. Battlefield had problems too, and that was fixed somehow, but IL-2 didn't seem to get much help from NVidia.

[Alonzo]

11 hours ago, coconut said:

He also makes a big deal out of the performance-doubling claims of NVidia being exaggerated, but who cares... 60% is pretty impressive by itself. I'd love to see a 60% performance increase in the CPU side, for instance.

 

But it's not a 60% performance increase over the 2080ti. It's more like 25-30%, which is what previous generations have given us as well.

 

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I'm not holding my breadth. If AMD keeps doing what they've been doing, they'll give us a cheap card with lots or memory with good performance per $, buggy drivers, limited feature set and overall not very interesting for VR.

 

10 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

@coconut Your assessment is spot on !

By looking at the AMD t-shirt it was quite obvious to me what he was about to say.

Being an Nvidia fanboy myself ... I can't blame him for it.

For me it all comes down to software ... you can buy the 3090 -or- get the Biggest Navi money can buy almost for free, but if the drivers are buggy it simply doesn't matter (to me).

Nothing is more frustrating than visual glitches and/or game crashes.

 

He's wearing the t-shirt deliberately, he even pointed it out at the beginning of the video. I don't think he's an AMD fanboy based on what he's said, and you certainly shouldn't conclude that from a simple t-shirt.

 

What both of you are saying about buggy drivers is 100% true and honestly the biggest reason I would steer clear of AMD. I'm not genuinely considering their cards right now, although if they drop some kind of performance bombshell maybe I would be. What I'm hoping for is competition from AMD getting me a better deal on an NVidia card, either because they reduce prices or are forced to reveal their hand on the 3080ti sooner than they would like.

[RedKestrel]

13 minutes ago, coconut said:

That's what I was thinking of. See

 

It wasn't the first time. An earlier update, I think it was the one doing the move to Dx11 had smoke effects look like storms of confetti. The fix took away a bit of the performance gains the update had introduced, which was unfortunate for the people with NVidia cards who were not affected.

To be fair, people with NVidia 7x0 series cards got crashes that never got really fixed, IIRC. Battlefield had problems too, and that was fixed somehow, but IL-2 didn't seem to get much help from NVidia.

I don't think either company is going to be very helpful when the little guys have a problem, that's for sure. The Nvidia problem is pretty far back and AFAIK there hasn't been a serious problem since, but that could change easily. 

There's no reason to be a fanboy of a hardware company, they make electronics, they're not your friend. You have to evaluate their product (and their support) and make the best choice. In this case we've got a pretty recent situation where AMD drivers were the cause of a pretty serious problem with the game for some people. So that's a shot against them, and anybody looking at buying a card has to weigh that for themselves. If it outperforms Nvidia, and is cheaper than Nvidia, is that worth it if driver errors cause serious issues with the games you play.

It really does seem like the best move is to wait quite some time before pulling the trigger so we can get some thorough comparisons in performance and have people test a variety of games to nail down what, if any, driver issues there may be going forward. Of course that might mean you miss the frenzy and have to wait for things to get back in stock but if Nvidia's performance numbers are more smoke and mirrors than truth, then paying 1500 USD for a top end card may turn out being a bad investment. 
 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

@RedKestrel Yes, the deferred shading with new antialiasing caused reflections to pixelate on edges. If using FXAA there are no issues at all. And I did report this issue to both devs and AMD via bug reports. But that bug is not a show stopper neither makes the game unplayable. I had IL-2 crashes with nVidia and AMD, most related to a setting in BIOS the game did not like. So after reverting to pretty much default settings = no problems.

[simfan2015]

If RDNA2 Navi cards turn out smaller in size, at least as fast as well as less power hungry than the 3090 is supposed to be, only then would I consider AMD! Being cheap is IMHO far less important when considering high end GPUs. I, personally, am not buying a 1800 EUR GPU for 2 years only, thus the best card in general is to me more important than the cheapest one. 

[Confused_2018]

Techtubers have received their cards.

 

Seems that they all got 3080's?  At any rate seems that they aren't allowed to tear them down etc etc yet.  What I found interesting is Bitwit put it in a case(not connected) and, hmmm.

 

Skip to 8:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV8WfnevkiI

[Bernard_IV]

Looks like they are on a short leash.  If they break their rules they will never get one early like that ever again.  One morning we'll wake up and all of the reviews will be up at the same time.

[HunDread]

Did they fail with 20 Gen pricing (I so much hope so) or they have a better plan to dig deeper in our pockets?

 

As it stands now they have a card on the near horizon (3070) which THEY say is better than the 2080 TI and they plan to sell it for almost 1/3 of the current 2080 TI price.

 

Also the 3080 which, again they say, is so f***ing, unbeliavably, incomprehensibly (and so on and so on) better than the 2080 TI is less than half than their 20 gen magic card. 

 

It was really the good idea to miss out on the 20 gen. As it stands the 20 gen 2nd hand market will pretty much hurt those who jumped on this gen.   

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, HunDread said:

Did they fail with 20 Gen pricing (I so much hope so) or they have a better plan to dig deeper in our pockets?

 

It is all about gaining market share before AMD releases their next card generation. Obviously the pressure on Nvidia is high enough that they decided to shell out cards with 2080TI comparable performance for 500 bucks. The consumer wins this time. Perhaps also next time, depending how competitive AMDs next cards will be.

[Jaws2002]

3000 series cards are more potent than 2000 series, but take Nvidia's performance claims with a healthy doze of salt.

 Wait for the post release reviews and benchmarks to find out how good these cards actually are. 

 Some recent leaks show much smaller margin than Nvidia claims.

 The reason for low prices on 3070 is the huge number of people who stayed with Pascal  cards and expecting better AMD cards.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Jaws2002

[sevenless]

12 hours ago, Confused_2018 said:

Techtubers have received their cards.

 

Seems that they all got 3080's?  At any rate seems that they aren't allowed to tear them down etc etc yet.  What I found interesting is Bitwit put it in a case(not connected) and, hmmm.

 

Skip to 8:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV8WfnevkiI

 

When is the lift of the embargo? Does anyone know?

 

 

[Alonzo]

15 hours ago, Confused_2018 said:

Techtubers have received their cards.

 

Seems that they all got 3080's?  At any rate seems that they aren't allowed to tear them down etc etc yet.  What I found interesting is Bitwit put it in a case(not connected) and, hmmm.

 

Skip to 8:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV8WfnevkiI

 

Woah, look at that lack of clearance on the back fan.

 

Turns out I'm a genius by air cooling my PC for the last 2 years, biding my time until awesome NVidia air cooled cards come out.

 

Or something.

[Confused_2018]

Perhaps NVIDIA's board partners will take note of some of the things that Bitwit pointed out and make changes?

 

I am not comfortable with water cooling, so I think this design will be out of the question for my next build.  And who knows what AMD will release?  Something between the 3070/3080?

[Vortice]

I'm keeping my hands in my pockets and keeping my powder dry until the dust settles down. Too many variables and unknowns at present to start throwing money around without any clear sight of how the next couple of months will pan out. I will probably wait until the new year before I decide what, if any, new graphics card I might decide to buy. 

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, Vortice said:

I'm keeping my hands in my pockets and keeping my powder dry until the dust settles down. Too many variables and unknowns at present to start throwing money around without any clear sight of how the next couple of months will pan out. I will probably wait until the new year before I decide what, if any, new graphics card I might decide to buy. 

 

Probably the smartest man in here...

[-332FG-Gordon200]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:36 AM, sevenless said:

When is the lift of the embargo? Does anyone know?

This Monday, Sep 14.

[TheSNAFU]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

 

Probably the smartest man in here...

I agree. Many unknowns for now including just how these cards perform. Need to see some independent reviews and see what variants are going to be coming. Love to see a 3080 with 16 gigs of memory. Seems pretty likely the cards will rock but no need to rush into the fray. Aside from the 3090 pricing is fairly reasonable. 

[Bernard_IV]

I read that the reviews have been delayed to the 16th because not everyone got theirs on time.  Not sure if they have 3090s or not.

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, QB.Gordon200 said:

This Monday, Sep 14.

 

Thanks. Let´s see how the benchmarks work out. I admit I am really interested in the performance of the 3070.

[Jaws2002]

On 9/12/2020 at 9:22 PM, Bernard_IV said:

I read that the reviews have been delayed to the 16th because not everyone got theirs on time.  Not sure if they have 3090s or not.

 

Embargo lift for 3080 is today, 09:00AM eastern and for 2090 i think it's on 21st.

[Alonzo]

GN is always my favorite. They're saying +25-30% vs the 2080ti at 4K resolution, more like +70-80% +60% (edit: sorry, it's less) vs the 2080 Super (again at 4K). Depends on the game, and the gains are reduced at 1440p. I'm interested in the 4K gains since that's closest to approximating the number of pixels we need to render for VR.

 

Also, big caution for anyone wanting to buy: the Founders Edition card is power limited, and GN couldn't overclock it much. Partner cards with triple fans and custom high-power delivery BIOS may give better performance and overclocking. Reviews of partner cards are coming.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by Alonzo
Corrected comparison with 2080 Super.

[Alonzo]

And TechPowerUp has some nice charts showing relative performance of the 3080 vs a big set of cards, at 4K, 1440p and 1080:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-founders-edition/34.html

[sevenless]

 

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by sevenless

[Confused_2018]

Hardware Unboxed

Gets to the FPS #'s pretty much right off the bat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csSmiaR3RVE

 

4k seems to really show the difference to the old older cards.

I am still going to wait to see what AMD can do. 

 

Edit: I read comments in the GN video and when it comes to FS2020 that the bottle neck could be due to DX11,  Steve mentions poor support for the AMD CPU.

 

My question I guess is what does all that mean for the games like this, 1946, dcs? HMMMMM

Edited September 16, 2020 by Confused_2018

[Bernard_IV]

3090 has 18.6% more "cuda cores".  Is it safe to assume a linear performance increase based on that?  I feel that clearly isn't worth it for my use case 

[Alonzo]

2 minutes ago, Bernard_IV said:

3090 has 18.6% more "cuda cores".  Is it safe to assume a linear performance increase based on that?  I feel that clearly isn't worth it for my use case 

 

Gamers Nexus had some info in their review, I think. What I got from watching is that memory bandwidth and number of shader modules is the most important thing delivering improvements over the older cards, at high resolutions. I'm not sure of the SM increased between the two but there is definitely a memory bandwidth advantage to the 3090, it's quoted as 936 gigabit vs 760 gigabit (+23%).

 

I could be wrong, and it's probably worth waiting for numbers to confirm (although by waiting you might miss the chance to get a 3080 in the initial wave, there are lots of rumors of low availability and the $700 price being entirely fictional).

[NiiranenVR]

Im waiting what ppl tell about the cards .... But I have just had a look at the Danish ....and the price go 900-1200 $ ..... But .....

Whats the diff Vs the card cheap/expensive ??? 

[chiliwili69]

Can we ask the youtubers to test IL-2 in 1080p, 4K and VR??? So we can get a better idea of the gain.

 

I have seen the FS2020 numbers for monitor (it uses DX11 like IL-2), small gain in 1080 (limit is CPU), better gain in 4K (limit is GPU):

 

 

This is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbk7sC2vAkU

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by chiliwili69

[Bernard_IV]

For VR the 3080 should be able to pin the refresh rate to max at full settings in IL2.  I'm debating if the 20% bump from a 3090 is worth the premium price.  It is fun to have the biggest and the best.  I'm torn on it.

[Alonzo]

3 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

Can we ask the youtubers to test IL-2 in 1080p, 4K and VR??? So we can get a better idea of the gain.

 

I have seen the FS2020 numbers for monitor, small gain in 1080 (limit is CPU), better gain in 4K (limit is GPU)

 

I think our best bet for IL2 numbers is actually for a player to buy a card tomorrow and benchmark it. IL2 is unfortunately so niche that I doubt any of the mainstream YouTubers (people who actually got a 3080 card sampled to them) would even have heard of it. Sweviver has tested IL2 in the past but I don't think he's likely to have received a 3080 early.

 

FS2020 looks like a bit of a badly optimized garbage engine. There's a serious CPU limitation it looks like, you have to drive overall framerate down below 50 FPS to avoid a CPU bottleneck. Gamers Nexus showed a few figures but basically said "this isn't a great benchmark right now".

[Livai]

The 3080 is cool if you can tolerate the 10GB VRAM. Performance depending on Game and Resolution. In 4k the worst case is 10 FPS faster than the 2080 Ti. But for $700 - $800 is far better than $1200 - $1800 before with the 2080 Ti. 

[Bernard_IV]

Are there any games that use more than 10gb vram?