Advance And Secure (Planes And Tanks)

[super-truite]

ok, thx UFO, I will check it

 

it should be fixed the next time I restart the server

[ghbucky]

I'm just throwing in here to add to the thank you's.

 

This server is a fantastic addition to the mix. Me and a couple of friends really enjoy working together to deal with the AI, and even more fun is opposing players.

 

Great work, sir.

[Guest deleted@329639]

Hallo to all ! How
vote to remove a player from the server? 

[1./JG42flesch]

Yesterday prelestnoye_V20. The red ones didn't have a T34 after their factory was destroyed. Only Panzer IV with German national emblems were playable for the Reds. Totall confusion. 

 

[super-truite]

Will check. It was balanced at least ?

[super-truite]

server update. It will be up in a few minutes

[1./JG42flesch]

Server and Statistikside corrupt

[super-truite]

yeah ... traditional christmas crash... I am restarting

[super-truite]

server wil be updated soon. Will add the new p51 soon

[super-truite]

p51B is on the server. Fixed some little bugs

[Fisheye1964]

Merci beaucoup!

[1./JG42flesch]

Statistic Side is not aktuell

[ghbucky]

5 hours ago, 1./JG42flesch said:

Statistic Side is not aktuell

As above, the stats page hasn't updated since 12/24. Is this normal?

[Guest deleted@329639]

30.12.2021 в 20:09, ghbucky сказал:

As above, the stats page hasn't updated since 12/24. Is this normal?

My desktop is freezing on this server very often. It is bad internet providers ?

[spart_sk]

Hello, thank you for the server!

I bought Tak Crew two weeks ago and had some great memorable moments in the MP.

 

However after a while it gets tiresome to fight only panthers and tigers. It seems that it is almost only thing that was spawned by players during my two weeks.

Excitement from flanking and killing panther with sherman is good, but after 10th panther it feels tedious.

Also I dont play t34 which i would like to, because its gun is even weaker than the one on sherman.

 

What is the consensus on overall balance? I would like if for example every 4th tank or so which player spawn could be heavy.

[ghbucky]

On 1/5/2022 at 3:49 PM, spart_sk said:

However after a while it gets tiresome to fight only panthers and tigers. It seems that it is almost only thing that was spawned by players during my two weeks.

Excitement from flanking and killing panther with sherman is good, but after 10th panther it feels tedious.

Also I dont play t34 which i would like to, because its gun is even weaker than the one on sherman.

 

Take down their factory (+ additional targets on certain maps such as bridges and boats) will stop them from having Tigers. That also provides bonus points for your side for accomplishing a mission. Except on the city map, seems nothing can stop them from getting their precious tiger on that map.

 

The heavy tanks are worth more points, though. I absolutely LOVE ending a kill streak with a shot in the side of a Tiger and watching it go boom.

 

And I've seen exclusive T34 drivers be at the top of the ranks for allied tankers.

[1./JG42flesch]

Please give us the Spawnpoints near an Street. To drive with Tanks on open Terrian or to Woods is more dangeres as a battle with enemy Tanks. At 2km Driving 2-4 x Kollisions with unvisible Objekts: Tank light bis heavy damaged, Crew woundet bis Dead. This is Absolut BS

[LUZITANO]

On 1/12/2022 at 8:59 AM, ghbucky said:

 

Take down their factory (+ additional targets on certain maps such as bridges and boats) will stop them from having Tigers. That also provides bonus points for your side for accomplishing a mission. Except on the city map, seems nothing can stop them from getting their precious tiger on that map.

German Bias server, btw.

[ghbucky]

How is the server German biased? The planesets are pretty evenly matched, and the tankset is limited by what the product offers.

 

Seems Allies win quite often when I'm on. (not trying to claim credit. Usually I'm being blown up or crashing into things.)

[LUZITANO]

34 minutes ago, ghbucky said:

How is the server German biased? The planesets are pretty evenly matched, and the tankset is limited by what the product offers.

Unlimited 262 and Tigers. Guess how.

[super-truite]

from my understanding but there are players with way more hours than myself on my server:

• the bias depends on the map. In the city or forest maps for instance I often win as allies just by waiting in the city with my little sherman and killing all the heavy tanks (1 Tiger 4 or 5 panthers 1 Ferdinand). Or I  flank through the woods with t34 (really fast off roads). Then I start going for the next flag and they only get PzIV to stop the me. For instance, Engelskirchen or Yuzhnaya are a nightmare for the germans.
• On more open maps, like prelestnoye, if Navigator or other SU 152s experts are there, the germans will lose most of the time. If they are not around, the germans will win unless allies are really good and use each little terrain depression to their advantage to come close to the german heavies. If you learn the map it is perfectly doable and the better organized team will win.
• When the teams are completely unbalanced (more so in favor of germans usually), well, I cannot do anything about it except enforcing autobalance which, again, will almost certainly make people leave ... This is a never ending discussion and I think the best is to stay civil and ask politely people to switch teams in the chat.  Also I think it is a mistake from players to stick 100 % of the time on one side. It creates this balance issues and also you miss a lot (I was a hardcore german player before and now love to go whichever side I am needed because it allows to understand better the other tanks and because they all have some advantages and are really fun to play )

I think the current win rate of the germans is mainly due to unbalanced teams and also because a few german players are playing most of the time against AI (when no other players are connected), maybe because of time zones. This can be seen on the stat website where some players get more than 150 kills in a row without dying . Unlikely to happen against players. For those who were there at the beginning of the server this situation was completely opposite and the allies were winning 3 games out of 4  because there was a little group of guys teaming up with me on the allied side who knew well the game mechanics. 

[LUZITANO]

35 minutes ago, super-truite said:

• On more open maps, like prelestnoye, if Navigator or other SU 152s experts are there, the germans will lose most of the time.

You should make the server for all players and not thinking about half a dozen players who have specific skills in specific tanks.

A server that puts "start on air" and "arrow on map" will attract a lot of newbie players. They are going to be your player-base, but the veterans of the game are the real player-base, the vast majority like me are 10 years old playing IL-2 (noobs are a temporary player-base, veterans are permanent).  And most people don't know how to play the 152 and will be disheartened after confront the infinite nunbers of Tigers. Ask the Navigator what he thinks of the Server, people are playing on your server today,but you don't know if they're having fun with it.

 

35 minutes ago, super-truite said:

• When the teams are completely unbalanced (more so in favor of germans usually), well, I cannot do anything about it except enforcing autobalance which,

"autobalance" is bad, just make some new set-balanced missions for god sake. 

Battles can always be with heavy tanks, but the tension playing against heavy tanks is higher. Especially playing allies who don't have good heavy tanks specifically in 1943 at Kursk. The war is wider than Kursk, at the beginning the USSR had the KV and Germany only the Pz.III and Pz.IV. In the end Allies have good tanks, so... Infinite number of 262, i-n-f-i-n-i-t...

 

The war is not infinite even more these German super vehicles that had a very, very limited production. If the war was inspired by your server we would be speaking German now instead of English. The Tiger is a super tank and the 262 a super plane for which they had a super limited production, you don't take quantity/quality into consideration. You should be inspired by history and reality, that's what makes IL-2 a simulator.

Edited January 13, 2022 by LUZITANO

[super-truite]

I am just saying what happens on my server I am not saying I made it with some players in mind (especially Navigator because he always kills me ).
My main goal was not balance but freedom. You buy a game with a cool Tiger, I will let you play with a cool Tiger . You buy a shiny plane like Me262, you will get it! 
And please, this plane is cool but completely useless in the hands of most players. And as a consequence, almost nobody uses it, but I like when I am playing allies to see it from time to time and try to outsmart it, it is fun and challenging.

Also, I have other projects on other games engines and I cannot change a lot of things. And even when I change something, in the end I am not god, players do what they want of my server.

As for the newbies vs veterans, my goal is not to compete with finish virtual pilots. My goal is to provide an intermediate server between the official server with icons on tanks (do not remember the name) that is really for new comers in my opinion and finish that is a bit more for veterans. I want veterans that want a quick fun and there are some like my self and others (I see some SCG players sometimes on AAS) and also new players. I wish there was even more new players coming in fact. I feel this kind of game modes could attract a lot of players that want a bit more realism than war thunder but that do not want to join a team or drive 5 km before fighting. With a bit of marketing I feel the devs could bring a lot of players on this kind of servers and to be honest I wish there was an official server with this kind of semi-realist fast gameplay to replace AAS. This way I could play without having to do customer support . 

This goal for freedom and  inclusion of new players means that I don't want to push for hardcore realism (which I like a lot but was well covered IMO by other servers) which is anyway meaningless as a game will always allow for some meta unrealistic stuff (auto detection of distance using the commander menu, playing with graphical options to spot tanks better etc.). If you want realism, play with a team and/or join the closed games organized by the SCG lads or others. This provides amazing experiences but needs organization. 

 

There is a lot of decisions in making a game or in this case a server that can seem weird or stupid for a particular player that has his own way of playing, but most decisions are not random. For instance there is another recurrent complaint: "Please STOP the AI planes". Well I and others bought the AAA vehicles and we want something to shoot at when there is no players in the sky. I listened to the complaint and on most maps, planes are not allowed to attack you in the forest and it took me quite a bit of work to achieve that, but on some maps it does not work well and you will get killed by planes a bit more than acceptable maybe, but that's life 

[ghbucky]

I was one of those grousing about AI planes until I realized that if I didn't want to get bombed I can get my arse in a fighter and shoot down the AI bombers. If I don't want to fight Tigers, then get my arse in a bomber and blow up the factory, etc. ST does a lot to put the players in charge of their experience.

 

If you are playing solo, well it is tough because you can't suppress the air and drive a tank. Destroying the factory is a tough proposition on most maps because the AI flak is super deadly. But with teamwork the experience is shaped to how you like it.

 

FVP is an awesome server! But, I don't like trying to figure out where the heck I am! Flying around lost for an hour without seeing another plane isn't fun to me. Or driving for 20 minutes to get to a place where I can shoot at buildings.. and just maybe a tank.

 

That is why you will find me and a friend on this server most NA time zone evening driving into trees and crashing on takeoff!

 

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Unlimited 262 and Tigers. Guess how.

The Tiger supply is controlled by the Allies on all but 1 map (destroy the factory), and the 262s are only available on a single map, AFAIK. And I switched to Axis to fly one after having someone completely crush us in a 262 and I couldn't figure out how to start the damn thing!

 

And as ST has pointed out, the 262 isn't a magic 'win' button. I've seen them be shot down by Allied fighters. But you have to get up there to shoot them down!

Edited January 14, 2022 by ghbucky

[No_Face]

Navigator plays on this server... interesting ? I'll have to stop by and say hello sometime. ?

[LUZITANO]

19 hours ago, super-truite said:

You buy a shiny plane like Me262, you will get it! 

I don't think this is a good prospect if you want a good server, you should think about the game and not a business issue. People already have the 262 in singleplayer and it's not difficult to fly online, even when the servers have limited numbers I always fly the 262 sometimes. At the moment when many people are flying the match will be hell for the allied team, but it seems that you imagine that only one player will fly with the jet..
But I like the fact that the server has historically based missions, keep this up.

[ghbucky]

Why all the focus on the 262? They aren't even available on most maps so they aren't even an issue.

[spart_sk]

Quite a conversation it sparked. Truite is right that everyone wants something, but he is the master and we are at his mercy

Allies faced panzer 3 and 4 most of the time, yet when I play I always must hunt down two TWC guys in panthers. It is fun when you can said to yourself "gotcha".

But as I wrote before it bores me quickly. If this is quick action server, I am just flanking and hiding all the time and plus to that - allied side is often understaffed, so after I had enough gotcha moments I disconnect in frustration.

 

Maybe if panthers and tigers were a little bit less available more people would stick to allies, I think everybody joins germans, because they want quick action (as per server designation), but allied side offers only hiding and flanking.

Dont know if I speak for anyone else, but I would be more on the server if not so frustrated so often 

 

Needles to say if veteran player joins you are right, they swing the match to their side, but this is not a common in my evening plays.

 

Also I dont own joystick, I am pure tanker so cant go after factory and hardly anybody with joystick goes either.

[LUZITANO]

On 1/13/2022 at 8:03 PM, super-truite said:

For instance there is another recurrent complaint: "Please STOP the AI planes". Well I and others bought the AAA vehicles and we want something to shoot at when there is no players in the sky.

What will really happen is that when one of the teams has double or more players, the few tanks on the other team will be hunted by humans and artificial intelligence at the same time. This happened to me, there was me and one other player on the team against about 10 enemies plus the robots. And I died bombarded by artificial intelligence. With few players it makes the game even more disproportionate to the team with fewer people. And the fighters there become another gameplay. People take off to destroy the tanks with bombers, but on the battlefield they will have to face a fighter AI that lands a very accurate shot head to head. And again, humans are not fighting. The game becomes almost singleplayer. I also have AA, but I prefer to shoot humans. 

 

On 1/14/2022 at 8:11 PM, ghbucky said:

Why all the focus on the 262? They aren't even available on most maps so they aren't even an issue.

Because that takes away some of the credibility of the server, it's arcade.

 

On 1/14/2022 at 8:12 PM, spart_sk said:

Allies faced panzer 3 and 4 most of the time, yet when I play I always must hunt down two TWC guys in panthers.

Check this out! 

Spoiler

 

 

Another thing is the battle rhythm. AAS is a fun server indeed, but it is quite tiring to maintain combat, even if the missions take a few hours. Combat is frantic, sometimes I get a headache... in parts because I spend a lot of energy fighting the AI.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, LUZITANO said:

What will really happen is that when one of the teams has double or more players, the few tanks on the other team will be hunted by humans and artificial intelligence at the same time. This happened to me, there was me and one other player on the team against about 10 enemies plus the robots. And I died bombarded by artificial intelligence. With few players it makes the game even more disproportionate to the team with fewer people. And the fighters there become another gameplay. People take off to destroy the tanks with bombers, but on the battlefield they will have to face a fighter AI that lands a very accurate shot head to head. And again, humans are not fighting. The game becomes almost singleplayer. I also have AA, but I prefer to shoot humans. 

 

Because that takes away some of the credibility of the server, it's arcade.

 

Check this out! 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Another thing is the battle rhythm. AAS is a fun server indeed, but it is quite tiring to maintain combat, even if the missions take a few hours. Combat is frantic, sometimes I get a headache... in parts because I spend a lot of energy fighting the AI.

tank play in MP in this game will become just that, SP+, player vs AI... poor tank decisions make it so, you better get used to shooting AIs.

Edited January 21, 2022 by CountZero

[LUZITANO]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

tank play in MP in this game will become just that, SP+, player vs AI... poor tank decisions make it so, you better get used to shooting AIs.

Tank mode is really cool, the number of humans players is very large, but is not very popular on multiplayer. I hope that gonna change soon.

[1./JG42flesch]

Statistic Side is not aktuell

[ghbucky]

The server is completely down now.

 

This is by far the best combined arms MP server, sure hope it comes back soon.

[super-truite]

server is up, but stats are acting up. No time to fix this week

(stats are stored. It is just that the website is down)

[LUZITANO]

How the blues win in AAS.

Who started this was TWC tankers, they lied that I only attacked spawn and started using the vote ban on me, so I use it on them too.
 

 

[Kerhuon]

On 1/13/2022 at 11:40 PM, super-truite said:

 

• When the teams are completely unbalanced (more so in favor of germans usually), well, I cannot do anything about it except enforcing autobalance which, again, will almost certainly make people leave ... This is a never ending discussion and I think the best is to stay civil and ask politely people to switch teams in the chat.  Also I think it is a mistake from players to stick 100 % of the time on one side. It creates this balance issues and also you miss a lot (I was a hardcore german player before and now love to go whichever side I am needed because it allows to understand better the other tanks and because they all have some advantages and are really fun to play )

I think the current win rate of the germans is mainly due to unbalanced teams and also because a few german players are playing most of the time against AI (when no other players are connected), maybe because of time zones. This can be seen on the stat website where some players get more than 150 kills in a row without dying . Unlikely to happen against players. For those who were there at the beginning of the server this situation was completely opposite and the allies were winning 3 games out of 4  because there was a little group of guys teaming up with me on the allied side who knew well the game mechanics. 

 

hem...

 

Pas même une simple phrase dans le briefing pour demander aux joueurs entrants de bien vouloir éssayer d'équilibrer le jeu .. si ça ne semble pas être possible, alors pas la peine d'ergoter sur le sujet plus que ça, on y changera rien  ! 

 

Néanmoins :

 

"I think the best is to stay civil and ask politely people to switch teams"  ..Arrètes de rèver !

 

"Also I think it is a mistake from players to stick 100 % of the time on one side. It creates this balance issues"   justement , je joue coté russe depuis 10 mois , parceque c'est le coté le plus déséquilibré " ! 

 

"will almost certainly make people leave ..." Quand on ne trouve plus de fun à jouer c'est la meilleure des choses à faire  !

 

Le "tank set" est simplement la raison de ce déséquilibre avec les nouveaux joueurs .. ce jeu porte en lui un potentiel important mais jusqu'à quand ?? 

 

 

 

 

[super-truite]

not forcing anyone to play, the door is opened, farewell 

[ghbucky]

Seems a fair amount of complaining going on.

 

@super-truiteI appreciate the funds and work you put into making this server available and I enjoy it.

[Kerhuon]

10 hours ago, super-truite said:

not forcing anyone to play, the door is opened, farewell 

 

Yes I know ! 

 

This is not the fact the door is open ; it seem mainly that this  door remain closed 

 

I dont pretend to give the truth but I spend few time on AAA for saying that !

 

 Anyway, I respect what look like as an invitation to me not to play again in AAA ;

 

 

Best wishes 

[LUZITANO]

47 minutes ago, Kerhuon said:

 Anyway, I respect what look like as an invitation to me not to play again in AAA ;

I'm already playing, like every day. The server is good, of course we will complain sometimes, that's part of it.