Movement of 2./JG52, 4./JG52 and 7./JG52 to JG3 and JG 11 in 1944

[UFA_Bagel]

On 5/20/2020 at 1:20 PM, curiouslysophie said:

This is interesting! I have just started a BoM career and was hoping to take my pilot through to the other theatres. Can you transfer from BoM to BoBP?

i don’t mind swapping units, I’m just not sure which ones are in each theatre.

 

As I remember I./JG52 has a little bit more days in BoM than II./JG52 but both are fine. BoS is all about JG3. I./JG52 participates only in one short chapter in BoS. II./JG52 flies only half of the chapters and 2 of 5 month total in BoS. II./JG52 is the only unit I know that participates in all chapters in BoK. Some JG52 staffeln were transferred to JG3 flying 109G/K and JG11 flying FW-190A/D both serving on the Western Front latter in the war, and then some of JG3 staffeln were transferred to JG7 flying ME-262. I/JG3, III/JG3 and full JG11 are presented in BoBP. Doing transfers like that you may reproduce the historic way of some real pilots and grab the most missions. It's my plan.)

 

 

Transferred from:

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by elegz

[LukeFF]

12 minutes ago, elegz said:

Some JG52 staffeln were transferred to JG3 flying G-14 and K-4 and serving on the West Front latter in the war

 

Do you know which ones those were? Bonus points if you can point me to a source.  

[sevenless]

Just now, LukeFF said:

 

Do you know which ones those were? Bonus points if you can point me to a source.  

 

2./JG52 moved to Germany Jun 1944, and became 12./JG11 on 15 Aug 1944.

On 15 Aug 1944 4./JG52 became 8./JG3:

On 15 Aug 1944 7./JG52 became 12./JG3:

 

https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/jg52.html

 

As the best source for JG 52 go for Bernd Barbas and his official cronicle (4 books) of JG 52. 

 

https://www.bernd-barbas.de/buecher.html

[UFA_Bagel]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Do you know which ones those were? Bonus points if you can point me to a source.  

"4./JG52 became 8./JG3" (II/JG52 and II/JG3 correspondingly)

"7./JG52 became 12./JG3" (III/JG52 and III/JG3 correspondingly)

"2./JG52 moved to Germany Jun 1944, and became 12./JG11" (I/JG52 and III/JG11 correspondingly)

https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/jg52.html

 

"On 25 Nov 1944 II./JG3 was redesignated I./JG7" (8./JG3 to 3./JG7)

https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/jg3.html

 

@sevenless has just stolen my kill like in MP.)))

Edited July 16, 2020 by elegz

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

2./JG52 moved to Germany Jun 1944, and became 12./JG11 on 15 Aug 1944.

On 15 Aug 1944 4./JG52 became 8./JG3:

On 15 Aug 1944 7./JG52 became 12./JG3:

 

https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/jg52.html

 

As the best source for JG 52 go for Bernd Barbas and his official cronicle (4 books) of JG 52. 

 

https://www.bernd-barbas.de/buecher.html

 

10 minutes ago, elegz said:

"4./JG52 became 8./JG3"

"7./JG52 became 12./JG3"

"2./JG52 moved to Germany Jun 1944, and became 12./JG11"

https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/jg52.html

 

On 25 Nov 1944 II./JG3 was redesignated I./JG7

109G/K mentioned for late JG3, I cannot remember where I saw G-14.

https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/jg3.html

 

Ok, cool. In these cases, did 4./JG 52 occupy the same airfields as JG 3 and 2./JG 52 the same airfields as JG 11?

Edited July 16, 2020 by LukeFF

[sevenless]

I scanned the relevant pages from Bernd Barbas books, since an available online source is misleading. All scans from these books: https://www.bernd-barbas.de/buecher.html

 

2./JG52 to 12./JG 11

 

 

 

4./JG52 to 8./JG3

 

 

 

7./JG52 to 12./JG3 next post

 

 

continued 7./JG52 to 12./JG3

Edited July 16, 2020 by sevenless

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

 

Ok, cool. In these cases, did 4./JG 52 occupy the same airfields as JG 3 and 2./JG 52 the same airfields as JG 11?

 

Some of the online information is wrong/misleading/incomplete. So I scanned the relevant pages of the three books and posted them in the historical data section in full.

 

Quick answer to your question as I understand the matter. Not all squadrons took their planes to the west. 2./JG52 reequipped at Reinsehlen at 16.6.44 to Fw 190s, then went back to eastern front matters under III./JG11 and transferred to the west in September 44. 4./JG52 flew its first combat sortie from Nogent-le-Roi at 18.7.44 and 7./JG52 was transferred by train to Salzwedel after 31.5.44 and then went to Chartres in early July and flew their first sortie on 16.7.44.

 

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Edited July 16, 2020 by sevenless

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

Some of the online information is wrong/misleading/incomplete. So I scanned the relevant pages of the three books and posted them in the historical data section in full.

 

Quick answer to your question as I understand the matter. Not all squadrons took their planes to the west. 2./JG52 reequipped at Reinsehlen at 16.6.44 to Fw 190s, then went back to eastern front matters under III./JG11 and transferred to the west in September 44. 4./JG52 flew its first combat sortie from Nogent-le-Roi at 18.7.44 and 7./JG52 was transferred by train to Salzwedel after 31.5.44 and then went to Chartres in early July and flew their first sortie on 16.7.44.

 

 

Appreciate the clarification - it is a very big help.

[UFA_Bagel]

Actually we can already find the basic information about the transfer of these staffeln in the decription of corresponding units. ? JG52 descriptions in the game provide this, at least.

 

@LukeFF I am wondering what you are working on?

Edited July 17, 2020 by elegz

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, elegz said:

Actually we can already find the basic information about the transfer of these staffeln in the description of corresponding units. ? JG52 descriptions in the game provide this, at least.

 

@LukeFF I am wondering what you are working on?

 

I help out the team with historical research, including details for career mode. 

[UFA_Bagel]

@LukeFF is it possible for devs to support such squadron transfer so players can keep their AI squadmates? I am not sure how many more such examples except these 2 (7./JG52 -> 12./JG3 and 2./JG52 -> 12./JG11) there are in the game but it would be a nice touch.

Edited August 3, 2020 by elegz

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, elegz said:

@LukeFF is it possible for devs to support such squadron transfer so players can keep their AI squadmates? I am not sure how many more such examples except these 2 (7./JG52 -> 12./JG3 and 2./JG52 -> 12./JG11) there are in the game but it would be a nice touch.

 

Yes, it would be nice, but for the most part German units are modeled at the Gruppe level and not the Staffel level - with the rare exceptions being independent named Staffeln like the Pitomnik staffel of JG 3 Bf 109s at Stalingrad or the Spanish Bf 109 staffel on the Moscow map. So, in that case, what you're probably going to see on the Normandy map for JG 52 is the II./JG 52 and III./JG 52 units we already have, since those units of course continued to exist as a whole until the war's end.

Edited August 3, 2020 by LukeFF

[Alexmarine]

@LukeFF wouldn't be just better to not model them in those cases? Especially as they will be represented at Gruppe strength when in fact they were single Staffels reporting to an in site Gruppe...

[LukeFF]

7 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

@LukeFF wouldn't be just better to not model them in those cases? Especially as they will be represented at Gruppe strength when in fact they were single Staffels reporting to an in site Gruppe...

 

That would be something for @BlackSix to decide.