pimax 5k+ vs hp reverb 2

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

what would you prefer for il2 exclusivly:

PIMAX 5K+ vs HP REVERB 2

pls compare, want to hear your opinions, if i should sell the pimax 5k+

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by II/JG11ATLAN_VR

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

We don't know yet. Can tell once I have tested the Reverb G2.

But it is apples and oranges - The G2 is one of the first Generation 2 devices and 1.5 years younger.

What we know is, the 5K+ has clarity in a diameter that matches the entire FOV of the G2 (which is supposedly "completely absolutely crystal clear and amazingly stunning"), and much taller and wider FOV, but of course it has lower sharpness that matches Index and competitors.

 

 

Be advised that MRTV has been promoting the G2 - and is selling it through an affiliate link now. He gets money for every sale of the G2 he generated.

 

What I personally hoped for were actual through-the-lens comparisons like Tyriel Wood does and proper tracking testing of forward facing controller occlusion. I have an 8KX shipping to me, and the G2 will ship in September. I'll make a thorough comparison when they arrive.

Edited July 10, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[HunDread]

50 minutes ago, II/JG11ATLAN_VR said:

what would you prefer for il2 exclusivly:

PIMAX 5K+ vs HP REVERB 2

pls compare, want to hear your opinions, if i should sell the pimax 5k+

 

 

It's really an opinion and preference question. FOV vs image clarity. G2 wins with clarity and Pimax wins with FOV. Personally I prefer clarity as I believe it is more important in multiplayer in IDing - but this remains to be seen when I actually have the G2. FOV might be better for singleplayer for immersion and fun. 

 

It even depends on playstyle. If you are trying to make sure about your options before entering a fight, clarity is more important (again: I will have to confirm that G2 clarity really helps that much how I think now, but logic says it should). If you like to just go for it and worry later, the FOV will help you with defensive moves.

 

EIDT: if you don't feel the urge to change now and can wait a couple of months you may want to wait for the reviews and comparisons of the G2 vs Pimax on these forums. Since I am replacing a falling apart CV1 there was no reason for me to wait.

Edited July 10, 2020 by HunDread

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

You're comparing Gen 1.5 to Gen 2. It's like comparing the Index to the G2. 

 

I also think the 4K headsets will always come out on top against the previous gen in identification. That's tied to the change in zoom we enjoyed last month.

 

Btw, let me mention regarding the vocabulary @HunDread:

 

The resolution is called sharpness, not clarity. Clarity is referring to the clarity you enjoy when your vision passes through the lenses upon the screen. Clarity is the opposite of blurriness. Blurriness you get, if you rotate your eyes to the corner of the lenses, and you'll witness effects such as chromatic abberation, lack of focus, a blurry picture. The degree of clarity in the 5K+ is as big as the lenses of the Reverb G2. Assuming the lenses of the G2 giving full clarity as claimed, both devices have the same clarity. But the sharpness of the G2 is much higher than anything else (bar Reverb G1) because its resolution totals to 4K.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[HunDread]

1 minute ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Btw, let me mention regarding the vocabulary @HunDread:

 

The resolution is called sharpness, not clarity. Clarity is referring to the clarity you enjoy when your vision passes through the lenses upon the screen. Clarity is the opposite of blurriness. Blurriness you get, if you rotate your eyes to the corner of the lenses, and you'll witness effects such as chromatic abberation, lack of focus, a blurry picture. The degree of clarity in the 5K+ is as big as the lenses of the Reverb G2. But the sharpness of the G2 is much higher than anything else (bar Reverb G1) because its resolution totals to 4K.

 

Yes I mean sharpness in this case.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

It's very confusing I want to add, there are many new terms flying around everywhere regarding VR, and even influencers on YouTube mix them up sometimes. You'll see some use two terms followed by the same explanations, which doesn't help precision for technical terms at all. ?

[HunDread]

1 minute ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

It's very confusing I want to add, there are many new terms flying around everywhere regarding VR, and even influencers on YouTube mix them up sometimes. You'll see some use two terms followed by the same explanations, which doesn't help precision for technical terms at all. ?

 

Yeah. In my mind clarity is a different thing than how you described it but I agree that it is better to use a common terminology if we want to talk about these things. 

[41Sqn_Skipper]

3 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Clarity is the opposite of blurriness.

 

Maybe my understanding is wrong, but this means:

- If the picture has clarity but no sharpness (= no high resolution) then you will see jagged edges.

- If the picture has sharpness but no clarity it will be blurry.

- If the picture has no sharpness and no clarity you will see blurry jagged edges.

 

Am I right? So just take the one with clarity and sharpness ?

 

[Alonzo]

5 hours ago, II/JG11ATLAN_VR said:

what would you prefer for il2 exclusivly:

PIMAX 5K+ vs HP REVERB 2

pls compare, want to hear your opinions, if i should sell the pimax 5k+

 

Are you happy with the Pimax? What headstrap are you using? What's your IPD? Do you see distortion? How is your edge-to-edge sharpness on the lenses? If you use potato (small) FOV mode, how much does that reduce your enjoyment of the game? What graphics card do you have?

 

5K+ to Reverb G2 is going to be a significant increase in resolution and probably an increase in perceived sharpness, and probably an increase in edge-to-edge clarity. We don't know about eye-placement sweet spot yet. Reverb G2 is probably lighter than the Pimax (depending on what strap and audio solution you are currently using) and the built-in audio and inside-out tracking make the G2 more plug-and-play. Performance will be a mixed bag -- there's a lot of Pixels to render in both headsets. Reverb G2 loses heavily in the FOV department, both width and height. I think it's about 5 degrees less vertical and LOADS less horizontal.

[Beazil]

5k+ all the way.  I won't reiterate my comments from another thread, but fov makes all the difference.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

5 hours ago, 41Sqn_Skipper said:

 

Maybe my understanding is wrong, but this means:

- If the picture has clarity but no sharpness (= no high resolution) then you will see jagged edges.

- If the picture has sharpness but no clarity it will be blurry.

- If the picture has no sharpness and no clarity you will see blurry jagged edges.

 

Am I right? So just take the one with clarity and sharpness ?

 

Precisely!

 

@Alonzo

Reverb G2 Headset is 500g (1.1lbs) according to HP.com. That's 30g more than the 5K+ with straps, but less if you add an HTC DAS to it.

5K+ FOV is 200° with ~10° lost in the diagonal corners, Reverb G2 114° with ~unknown° lost in the diagonal corners. Both numbers are diagonal as well.

 

P.S. Reverb G1 has the same FOV as Reverb G2. If you go by official numbers. Both 114°. Look at the HP page. 

Edited July 10, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[SCG_Wulfe]

3 hours ago, JG51_Beazil said:

5k+ all the way.  I won't reiterate my comments from another thread, but fov makes all the difference.

 

 

That said, I don't necessarily think that the reverb G2 will be all that unrealistic in terms of FOV for the purposes of ww2 flight simulation. Period pilots goggles did still restrict FOV somewhat. 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Better go attack monitor users for having owl necks @SCG_Wulfe! The Pimax HMDs are great for racing, that FOV gives you a natural sense of speed you lack in Gen1 FOVs. You haven't tried a Pimax yet, but one day you will as well, and you'll throw your hands up in the air, rejoice and exclaim "Gloria, Gloria!" ?

 

 

P.S. If you got a working unit, of course ?

Edited July 10, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Alonzo]

3 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Precisely!

 

@Alonzo

Reverb G2 Headset is 500g (1.1lbs) according to HP.com. That's 30g more than the 5K+ with straps, but less if you add an HTC DAS to it.

5K+ FOV is 200° with ~10° lost in the diagonal corners, Reverb G2 114° with ~unknown° lost in the diagonal corners. Both numbers are diagonal as well.

 

P.S. Reverb G1 has the same FOV as Reverb G2. If you go by official numbers. Both 114°. Look at the HP page. 

 

My back-of-envelope numbers for my own use case: Artisan (450g), silicone sleeve (required, since cracks, 90g), Corsair HS70 wireless headset (required, since crackly audio port, 330g), small extra for extra head strap from New Zealand (required, comfort pretty bad without). So ~870 - 900g. It's reasonably well distributed because the headphones are ears/top of head.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

That's near Index with its 810g. The G2 will be pretty light, just like the G1. I wonder how much the 8KX will weight with its modular audio strap.

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

I preordered the G2. Currently using a O+.

Now where can I preorder that 3080ti and max out everything. ?

[chiliwili69]

On 7/10/2020 at 9:15 PM, SCG_Wulfe said:

That said, I don't necessarily think that the reverb G2 will be all that unrealistic in terms of FOV for the purposes of ww2 flight simulation. Period pilots goggles did still restrict FOV somewhat. 

 

Maybe WWII pilots were as much obsessed with FOV as we are now with VR devices. But in their case it was a matter of life and death!

In our case just some minor annoyment of being killed.

 

have they also an IPD adjust? (that screw in the upper side).

 

Maybe one day, with VR only servers, the Pimax devices would not be allowed to enter due to unrealistic FOV... hahaha!! ?

 

Jokes apart, an 8KX with Index lenses and Rift-S price would be the killer VR device. If Valve shared lens/audio tech with HP, can not them do the same with Pimax?

[HunDread]

58 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

Maybe WWII pilots were as much obsessed with FOV as we are now with VR devices. But in their case it was a matter of life and death!

In our case just some minor annoyment of being killed.

 

have they also an IPD adjust? (that screw in the upper side).

 

After a tough night in the airfield canteen they probably had the ghosting too the next day.