Developer Diary 256 - Discussion

[Rodwonder]

Spitfires are sweet... But this is Dirty Sweet!!! ?

[Vortice]

2 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

You should read the announcement from start to finish ?

 

I know, I know, but I have a morbid dread of trying to shoot down anything more dangerous than a pigeon with 303s and for a moment it gripped me there.

 

And relax...……………..

[Soilworker]

1 hour ago, -=TW=-The_Bloody_Nine said:

Damn that thing looks so mean in the hanger with that big nose.

Any chance we could get the variant with 4x Hispanos? that would be a lot of fun!!

*Edit* Especially considering (from what i can find) that one of the early model c type wing variants included the 4x 20mm.

 

If that's true that'd freakin' sweet!

 

(PS: Great user profile, the First Law Series is awesome!)

[pilotpierre]

Oi-vey, such beauty in vun littlebit flying thingy.

[easterling77]

over 2000 hp in a spit - jesus thats gonna be a beast

throttle it up to max pressure .... hell breakes loose

[Rjel]

This is the last Spitfire variant I like the looks of. I can't imagine the torque of that big Griffon and its five bladed prop. It must have been vicious on takeoff.  

[Roland_HUNter]

2 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

About 9mph slower than the Tempest, K4 and boosted Mustang

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I'm very suprised, I thought this plane would be the fastest plane in IL-2.

[sevenless]

If one of you is in the Netherlands or in Germany in the lower Rhineland area, don´t miss the Overloon museum. There you find one of those beauties.

 

The museum is a must see. https://www.oorlogsmuseum.nl/en/

 

 

[AndytotheD]

6 minutes ago, -[HRAF]Roland_HUNter said:

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I'm very suprised, I thought this plane would be the fastest plane in IL-2.

At sea level, at higher altitudes its going to be faster than the Tempest, faster than the Mustang and should be only a little slower than the K-4

[Rei-sen]

Beautiful aircraft. 

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Sharpe43 said:

I will just say one thing in regards to this beast;

 

teardrop

 

I wouldn´t mind. Would make some great mods to the model. Very late spring 45:

 

Edited July 3, 2020 by sevenless

[Avimimus]

The exciting thing is that they model at such a level of fidelity that the CG changes, tail-plane changes (etc.) should make for a very different flying experience.

[Feathered_IV]

I think this is the first time a flight sim has released a Mk XIV as part of its stock lineup of aircraft.  Always nice to see something new.

[blockheadgreen_]

@Jason_Williams A bit of model pedantry, but it appears the ailerons are too long? The XIV was a development of the Mk VII/VIII airframe which was only tangentially related to the Mk IX, and had shorter span ailerons (1 rib shorter)

The model seems to have the Mk IX ailerons: 

 

 

Otherwise this model is perfect, and 100% the best Griffon Spitfire I've seen.

[spitfirejoe]

Oh yes a Spitfire is shown…….….nice one. I love all Spitfires, late or early types, they are just beautiful.

Thanks for the DD and looking forward to the next update.

[HBPencil]

Sweet! Glad to see work on her is under way, I'm really looking forward to flying her, and I hope we get the 'c'/'e' wing options for the MkIX as well.

Anyone else notice the 'Rebecca' beam approach antenna under the fuselage? I wonder if that is just for looks or if it'll be functional.

As for the tear drop canopy, they didn't appear at the front line until February/March 1945 and that coincided with the addition of the fuel tank behind the cockpit which had a big change on how the aircraft handled when the tank was full. That would mean changes to the FM as well as big changes to the 3D model (both interior and exterior) and the skin,  so I suspect a bubble top Spit XIV would need to be a separate aircraft rather than something added to the mods list.
 

44 minutes ago, Lythronax said:

@Jason_Williams A bit of model pedantry, but it appears the ailerons are too long? The XIV was a development of the Mk VII/VIII airframe which was only tangentially related to the Mk IX, and had shorter span ailerons (1 rib shorter)

Lythronax is right, the XIV had the narrow span ailerons of the VII/VIII.

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 minute ago, HBPencil said:

Sweet! Glad to see work on her is under way, I'm really looking forward to flying her, and I hope we get the 'c'/'e' wing options for the MkIX as well.

Anyone else notice the 'Rebecca' beam approach antenna under the fuselage? I wonder if that is just for looks or if it'll be functional.

As for the tear drop canopy, they didn't appear at the front line until February/March 1945 and that coincided with the addition of the fuel tank behind the cockpit which had a big change on how the aircraft handled when the tank was full. That would mean changes to the FM as well as big changes to the 3D model (both interior and exterior) and the skin,  so I suspect a bubble top Spit XIV would need to be a separate aircraft rather than something added to the mods list.
 

Lythronax is right, the XIV had the narrow span ailerons of the VII/VIII.

 

Someone suggested to me on Twitter that the reason we aren't seeing a Spitfire XIVe today is because the may have decided to do the bubble canopy version and the e-wing together in one aircraft. I think it's a stretch but that's an interesting way to approach modeling the Spitfire XIV and making it have some flavour across both Normandy and Bodenplatte. That'd be above and beyond but if so... very cool.

 

Regardless of what exactly they choose to do. I am once again overjoyed about the Spitfire XIV in the line-up. I've been wanting to fly this mark of Spitfire for twenty years or more and nobody has really done it. Now it's being done. I can't wait!

[Barnacles]

5 hours ago, 6FG_Big_Al said:

Lovely pictures and news ?

 

I am by far no expert on the Spitfire armament but wasn't there a spit wing with 2x20's 2x0.50's and 4x 303's?

 

The 'c' wing is a 'universal' wing (which is why you can see two cannon fairing stubs outboard of the 20mm cannons in the pictures of the XIV). It means that the cannons will have 120 rounds each instead of the 60 in the Vb ('b' wing) even though they can both have .303s.

 

Theoretically a universal wing could have 4x 20mm or 50 cals installed as well.. I think the 'e' designation is more for the armament 

[Avimimus]

9 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Barnacles said:

The 'c' wing is a 'universal' wing (which is why you can see two cannon fairing stubs outboard of the 20mm cannons in the pictures of the XIV). It means that the cannons will have 120 rounds each instead of the 60 in the Vb ('b' wing) even though they can both have .303s.

 

Theoretically a universal wing could have 4x 20mm or 50 cals installed as well.. I think the 'e' designation is more for the armament 

 

Yes that is my understanding too... the c-wing was a universal wing that could do anything but colloquially people talk about 'a' 'b' and 'c' type armaments. Theoretically, couldn't the c-wing do 4x20mm Hispano and 4x0.303 (even if none were equipped that way)?

 

 

[Pierre64]

@Lythronax and @HBPencil : +1

[Boomerang]

Gorgeous Mk.XIVc Supermarine Spitfire.. . Drool... .. .☺️❤️

[BladeMeister]

Gorgeous. What is the tumorous growth under the nose where it meets the wing? Edit, NM, I see it is the Air? intake, I assume.

 

S!Blade<><

Edited July 4, 2020 by BladeMeister

[Juri_JS]

5 hours ago, Field-Ops said:

I know we community members ask for too much sometimes but it would be cool to see the IX get the C wing for added usage into the Normandy scene. We do like our well rounded products and all. 

I think this would make sense. The IXc was by far the most numerous Spitfire type during the time.

 

But I wonder if it would be enough to change the wings or if other changes to the model would be necessary too, to create a IXc. I hope one of our Spitfire experts can clarify this.

[HBPencil]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

I think this would make sense. The IXc was by far the most numerous Spitfire type during the time.

 

But I wonder if it would be enough to change the wings or if other changes to the model would be necessary too, to create a IXc. I hope one of our Spitfire experts can clarify this.

I did a Suggestion thread on this a little while ago, basically the C wing and the small rudder would be needed for a BoN appropriate MkIX but other than that it's fine, details such as the air intake filter, Merlin 66, large elevator balance horns etc. are suitable for BoN.
 

 

[Juri_JS]

30 minutes ago, HBPencil said:

I did a Suggestion thread on this a little while ago, basically the C wing and the small rudder would be needed for a BoN appropriate MkIX but other than that it's fine, details such as the air intake filter, Merlin 66, large elevator balance horns etc. are suitable for BoN.

Too bad, I guess this means that a new model for the IXc would be necessary. I don't think it's possible to have the IXc as a modification of the IXe when a different rudder is needed.

 

Maybe we will get the IXc as a collector plane one day.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

5 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

Is 2200hp for 21lbs or 25lbs? Because I know both were used, but they have quite different specs, for the latter you're looking at 390mph at sea level, but the former is just shy of 370

2200 HP corresponds to +21 boost ^^
 

 

3 hours ago, -[HRAF]Roland_HUNter said:

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I'm very suprised, I thought this plane would be the fastest plane in IL-2.

With +25 boost is a contender to the fastest, with +21 it's around the same level as D-9 and DB K-4, but the fastest down low would be the P-51B if it gets the option for the V-1650-7 engine and 81" as used by the Royal Air Force.

The XIV would have the crown at the very high altitudes, at around 10 000 meters it would be the fastest prop fighter in the sim.

[41Sqn_Skipper]

52 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

Too bad, I guess this means that a new model for the IXc would be necessary. I don't think it's possible to have the IXc as a modification of the IXe when a different rudder is needed.

 

Maybe we will get the IXc as a collector plane one day.

 

Would love to have an early Spitfire F IXc with Merlin 61) as a collector!

 

 

Anyway, this threat is about the Spitfire XIV: I'm very happy to see the progress and also appriciate the weapon and engine modification hints. That avoided a lot of heated discussions ?

Edited July 4, 2020 by 41Sqn_Skipper

[Ribbon]

-̶I̶f̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶s̶p̶i̶t̶ ̶m̶k̶.̶x̶i̶v̶

-if only we can get spit mk.xiv with teardrop canopy, cutback fuselage and clipped wings (and flyable b25 and toroedo bombers) ?

//hunger never ends//

Edited July 4, 2020 by =VARP=Ribbon

[griffon_engined]

yes finally my favorite aircraft of ww2 (alongside the d-9)...love me some muthafuckin griffon spits...the best of the spitfire and mustang in one plane...and with 150 octane...ho boy...as if the griffon needed it...this is gonna climb like a spaceship...and absolutely walk many things in the speed department (at least at high alt, we all know the tempest reigns supreme down low)...cannot WAIT to bully K-4s and D-9s in this thing?

 

edit: also super excited about the option of both the c and the e wing...which naturally leads to the point: like the mk. IX in game, will the XIV also have the clip wing option? I know that a lot of the photo recon subvariants of the XIV had clipped wings, and maybe even some of the normal XIVs as well...not that any XIV is “normal”?

Edited July 4, 2020 by jthartmann

[HBPencil]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

Too bad, I guess this means that a new model for the IXc would be necessary.

I hope the devs see this and give us clarification on whether it's possible to change out the rudder in the mods list, but for myself I'm quietly confident that it is possible. Hope springs eternal

[griffon_engined]

7 hours ago, -[HRAF]Roland_HUNter said:

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I'm very suprised, I thought this plane would be the fastest plane in IL-2.

I should be, just not at low altitudes. Tempest is fastest at low alt, griffon is fastest at high alt

[senseispcc]

I love it, the Spitfire with the Griffon engine, hmm keep your pilots at home if you do not want to lose them Germans.

Once again, my dreams come true and the development team is behind it, thank You. 

[Gunbus]

With the spitfire MK XIVE coming as well hope that we have an option for clips wings as well ilke this photo of the EX TFC spitfire G-SPIT

Edited July 4, 2020 by Gunbus

[Field-Ops]

Doesnt appear the teardrop canopy will make an appearance as a modification. An excerpt from the RU forums

  

3 hours ago, BlackSix said:

This modification appears in the 2nd Tactical Air Force only at the end of March 1945 according to the data from " 2nd Tactical Air Force, Vol. 3: From the Rhine to Victory, January to May 1945 " by Christopher Shores, Chris Thomas.

 

Those. for Normandy, it is not required, and can only be used in the last week of VoBR's career.

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by Field-Ops

[=EXPEND=Capt_Yorkshire]

looks great 

[BlackSix]

17 minutes ago, Field-Ops said:

Doesnt appear the teardrop canopy will make an appearance as a modification. An excerpt from the RU forums

I didn't say a word in the Russian forum about whether we will do this. I only showed the data when this modification appeared on the West front.

[Bremspropeller]

This baby will put an end to the K-4 1.98 clowncar'ery.

I'm curious if it will also suffer from the torque-lock the Dora already suffers from at low speeds with MW50 engaged.

 

While the teardop-canopy looks curious, the original Spitfire-lines are way more pleasing to the eyes.

[Livai]

Spitfire or 109 why not both  ?

 

 

[Barnacles]

8 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Yes that is my understanding too... the c-wing was a universal wing that could do anything but colloquially people talk about 'a' 'b' and 'c' type armaments. Theoretically, couldn't the c-wing do 4x20mm Hispano and 4x0.303 (even if none were equipped that way)?

 

 

Yeah, it had sufficient gun bays to do that, although maybe it'd have exceeded some load parameter. The 'e' armament designation was an official designation though, although as you can see in the Spit IXe we've got, the MBG 50 cal could be installed in the inboard cannon bay of a 'c' style wing.

[ZachariasX]

Looking great! Can't wait for having it in the sim!