Yak-9 First Impressions?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

16 minutes ago, Pict said:

 

The assumption is that just because the 109 never went down immediately for whatever reason, that it would survive 4 hits period. So 4 hits with what and would it have survived or not are the questions that come up for me.

 

Only way to test this as you already mentioned is offline SP as that's how it has been developed and tested. Any tests need to show what the ammo belting is and leave the "kill" enough time to "die" if that's what it is expected to do. 1 hit, 2 hits, 3 hits and so on in an organised repeatable fashion, each time recorded and given a reasonable time to see results if any.

 

Anything else is just speculation.

 

I think another assumption that might come from pilots who more-often use Axis over Allies and the tried the 9T were expecting similar results from a 1-2 second burst of mk.108 out of 1 single round of 37mm.  Perhaps there is some disappointment that this isn't the "similar challenge - to - similar challenge" transition point some Axis-exclusive pilots looking to get into using the Allied planes might have thought it would be.  I saw the similar thing happen when the P-51 and Tempest came out.  Some Axis pilots that thought it was going to be the "GOD Plane" came onto comms with us Allied squad pilots and then went right back to German when they found that it wasn't.  Some did at least give it the "ol' college try" for quite awhile, so I'll credit them that but, eventually almost all of them went back to what they knew would help them win more easily.  

 

Also, I think it would be great if Devs to brought back "arrow mode" from IL-2 '46 , at least to be used in reviewing recorded tracks. 

11 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Didn't mean to take things OT, was pursuing the 37mm damage question and how the Yat-9T played out.

 

I'm enjoying making high speed A2G sniper shots in the -9T. It's good fun.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to make it look like I was getting on you about topic.    

 

I was more just free-flowing my thoughts together and wanted to add to that post what my current impression is of the 9 - series.

Edited May 23, 2020 by 69th_Mobile_BBQ

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Talked to Sheriff and he said he used all HE belt in that mission.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

1 hour ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Talked to Sheriff and he said he used all HE belt in that mission.

 

OK, in that case, I think we should confirm that the HE belt is correctly loading in-game.   In other words, if HE is selected but, mixed is what the game is loading, it may be a bug.

[SAS_Storebror]

Straight from the GTPs:

 

// Варианты подвески вооружения

AmmunitionArg=12900

[Ammunition=0]
	WeaponModes=0
	AnimationVal=0.0
	name="0-UB-APHE-200 + 1-NS37-APHE-30"
	GunAmmunition0=0
	GunAmmunition1=1
	Bomb0=-1
	PrimaryAimingGun=1
[end]

[Ammunition=1]
	WeaponModes=0
	AnimationVal=0.0
	name="0-UB-APHE-200 + 1-NS37-AP-30"
	GunAmmunition0=0
	GunAmmunition1=2
	Bomb0=-1
	PrimaryAimingGun=1
[end]

[Ammunition=2]
	WeaponModes=0
	AnimationVal=0.0
	name="0-UB-APHE-200 + 1-NS37-HE-30"
	GunAmmunition0=0
	GunAmmunition1=3
	Bomb0=-1
	PrimaryAimingGun=1
[end]

DefaultAmmunition=0

// Зарядка пулеметов

[GunAmmunition=0]	// 133 бронебойных и 67 разрывных пуль 12.7х108 (к пулемету УБ)
	ExpendableMass = 14.2
	ResidualMass = 20.8
	MaxMisFiresInMagazine=0
	MaxRoundsInMagazine=200
	RoundsInMagazine=200
	ReservedMagazines=0
	AmountRoundsWithOneTracer=4	// каждая 4-я пуля с трассером
	TracerIdx=0
	object0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/BULLET_RUS_12-7x108_AP.txt"
	object1="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/BULLET_RUS_12-7x108_HE.txt"
	object2="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/BULLET_RUS_12-7x108_AP.txt"
	target0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/BULLET_RUS_12-7x108_AP.bin"
	target1="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/BULLET_RUS_12-7x108_HE.bin"
	target2="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/BULLET_RUS_12-7x108_AP.bin"
	BushConfig = "LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Trash/Batch_case12-20mm.txt"
[end]

[GunAmmunition=1]	// 15 бронебойных и 15 осколочно-фугасных снарядов 37x198 (к пушке НС-37)
	ExpendableMass = 22.50
	ResidualMass = 31.35
	MaxMisFiresInMagazine=0
	MaxRoundsInMagazine=30
	RoundsInMagazine=30
	ReservedMagazines=0
	AmountRoundsWithOneTracer=2	// каждая 2-я пуля с трассером
	object0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_AP.txt"
	object1="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_HE.txt"
	target0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_AP.bin"
	target1="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_HE.bin"
	BushConfig = "LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Trash/Batch_case30-37mm.txt"
[end]

[GunAmmunition=2]	// 30 бронебойных снарядов 37x198 (к пушке НС-37)
	ExpendableMass = 53.85
	ResidualMass = 0
	MaxMisFiresInMagazine=0
	MaxRoundsInMagazine=30
	RoundsInMagazine=30
	ReservedMagazines=0
	AmountRoundsWithOneTracer=2	// каждая 2-я пуля с трассером
	object0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_AP.txt"
	target0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_AP.bin"
	BushConfig = "LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Trash/Batch_case30-37mm.txt"
[end]

[GunAmmunition=3]	// 30 осколочно-фугасных снарядов 37x198 (к пушке НС-37)
	ExpendableMass = 53.85
	ResidualMass = 0
	MaxMisFiresInMagazine=0
	MaxRoundsInMagazine=30
	RoundsInMagazine=30
	ReservedMagazines=0
	AmountRoundsWithOneTracer=2	// каждая 2-я пуля с трассером
	object0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_HE.txt"
	target0="LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Ballistics/Projectiles/SHELL_RUS_37x198_HE.bin"
	BushConfig = "LuaScripts/WorldObjects/Trash/Batch_case30-37mm.txt"
[end]

Read: Mixed is 2:1 mixed (2 AP per 1 HE) on the ShVAK and 1:1 mixed on the NS37, AP is AP only and HE is HE only, as expected.

 

Mike

Edited May 24, 2020 by SAS_Storebror

[Pict]

13 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

I think late Yak-7Bs with bubble canopy got the extra machine gun removed



This looks like it has the old style rounded wing so it would be a late Yak-7B, no starboard machine gun fitted.

 

Now I'm wide awake and keen to do some reading about this rare bird  ...

 

Your right it is a late Yak-7B, but it has both UBS machine-guns removed and is only left with the canon as armament as it was a photo recon version or scout, known as the Yak-7B Razvedchik.

 

The Razvedchik version of the Yak-7B was produced at Zavod 83 (aircraft factory 83) and stemmed from previous stop-gap limited production versions of the earlier Yak-7 that were fitted with the AFA-IM tactical camera. It was given no unique suffix, like B,D,T,K as other versions and retained the name Yak-7B. There were armed with 1x ShVak canon, no MG's., and between 1943 & 44, 315 were produced with kits being produced later in the run allowing for any Yak-7B to be modified to a Yak-7B Razvedchik in the field.

 

The MiG-3 is also a Razevedchik version apparently and like all the other aircraft in the photo belongs to the same well known "Komsomol" Squadron.

 

 

I'm keen to know more about the MiG-3 Razvedchik as it also appears to have lost some of it's "teeth" to allow for the weight of a tactical camera.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Pict

[MarderIV]

Quick question: Is this mechanically possible? Forced landing with the Yak-9, left wing cracked and drooped over and observing the crash it seemed to be hanging loose. Yet the left aileron still had seemingly full authority. Wouldn't the control rods lose tension or alignment at least from having been repositioned in the crash or is there something else going on? 

 

[MattS]

14 hours ago, Pict said:

I possibly prefer the Yak-9 over the Yak-9T for the moment as it handles so well and I it's armament plenty sufficient to knock up to 4 opponents down before running out of ammo, but the jury is still out on that  

 

 

Man I just can't seem to get a handle on the Yak-9. Did quite a few QMBs against a flight of 4 Stukas without much success.

 

Jumped in a stock LaGG-3 and murdered all 4 of them no problem...two pilot kills within 30 seconds of each other and set the remaining two on fire.

 

Probably just a coincidence/luck, since I've never felt like I could shoot well with any of these ShVAKs. I lowered my convergence to 250m so maybe that helped...I like to shoot at close range ?

 

(Obviously there's no horizontal convergence issue with nose guns but I might have been shooting high with 400m...)

 

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk ?

 

 

[Bullets]

1 hour ago, MarderIV said:

or is there something else going on? 

Definitely some illuminati nonsense going on here... 

[MattS]

1 hour ago, MarderIV said:

Quick question: Is this mechanically possible? Forced landing with the Yak-9, left wing cracked and drooped over and observing the crash it seemed to be hanging loose. Yet the left aileron still had seemingly full authority. Wouldn't the control rods lose tension or alignment at least from having been repositioned in the crash or is there something else going on? 

 

 

I suspect that the "cracked wing" is just a visual representation of the structure having taken catastrophic damage...it is not necessarily cracked along a line and hanging off like that in the damage model, it's just severely compromised to the point of being easily broken off.

 

Just like how the damage decals for bullet holes etc. are not literal depictions of where rounds have hit the airframe. The DM is more complex than the graphical system used to display it.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

12 minutes ago, MattS said:

 

Man I just can't seem to get a handle on the Yak-9. Did quite a few QMBs against a flight of 4 Stukas without much success.

 

Jumped in a stock LaGG-3 and murdered all 4 of them no problem...two pilot kills within 30 seconds of each other and set the remaining two on fire.

 

Probably just a coincidence/luck, since I've never felt like I could shoot well with any of these ShVAKs. I lowered my convergence to 250m so maybe that helped...I like to shoot at close range ?

 

(Obviously there's no horizontal convergence issue with nose guns but I might have been shooting high with 400m...)

 

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk ?

 

 

 

If you are having difficulty with gunnery, I wouldn't mess about with the convergence. Don't change parameters while seeking consistency (in general). Pick a good medium range (300 is good) and stick with it until you get some consistency. Then experiment a bit to see if something above or below that suits you better. I wouldn't change more than 100m at a time.........generally.

Edited May 24, 2020 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[MattS]

3 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

 

If you are having difficulty with gunnery, I wouldn't mess about with the convergence. Don't change parameters while seeking consistency (in general). Pick a good medium range (300 is good) and stick with it until you get some consistency. Then experiment a bit to see if something above or below that suits you better. I wouldn't change more than 100m at a time.........generally.

 

I agree...I think my poor shooting at 400m was due to practicing quite a bit with other planes (with wing-mounted guns) at 250m over the past few days!

 

While a farther convergence may help sniping or deflection shooting with nose-mounted guns, I jump around too much between platforms to adjust.

 

An unrelated but contributing issue is the fact that flying a Yak feels like I'm sitting in a hole and the brackets for the armored glass don't help either ?

[MarderIV]

1 hour ago, MattS said:

I suspect that the "cracked wing" is just a visual representation of the structure having taken catastrophic damage...it is not necessarily cracked along a line and hanging off like that in the damage model, it's just severely compromised to the point of being easily broken off.

 

That's actually interesting; probably similar to what I experienced two years ago with the Fokker Dr1. Nearly broken in half and still continued fighting - pitch authority present despite visual break in the model. Really hard to guess what happens to an enemy plane sometimes, at least from a visual standpoint.

 

 

[No105_Swoose]

On 5/20/2020 at 9:10 AM, No105_Swoose said:

 I had high hopes for the Yak-9 in terms of performance and handling.  The first thing I did after installing the update was fly some missions with the Yak-9 Series 1.  Have to say I feel somewhat let down.  In terms of handling and performance it just seems like a Yak-7 (from which the Yak-9 was developed) with one less UB machine gun.  I was hoping for an "uber plane" along the lines of what I recall about the Yak-9 in the old IL-2 1946 game.    I'm still glad to have the Yak-9 Series 1 in the game for variety and maybe with time I'll get to like it better.  Also, I haven't tried the Yak-9T yet.  

Since writing that on Wednesday I've been flying the Yak-9 Series 1 and Yak-9T a lot in a single player career with the 157th IAP out of Slavyanskaya on the Kuban map.  Have to say I've grown to like them a lot.  The Yak-9 Series 1 really handles very well and I like the rearward visibility you get with the bubble canopy.  Flying the Yak-9T has been awesome and has given me some of my best missions of any plane type in the IL-2 Great Battles series.  The 37mm really packs a punch. It's challenging to get in close and get hits.  So I'm changing to two thumbs up for these planes.  Looking forward now to the Hurricane.  Swoose

Edited May 24, 2020 by No105_Swoose
Left out "up" after two thumbs at end of post.

[Rjel]

Broke down and purchased both of the new Yaks. Took the 9T up for a mission against some Ju-88s. Took hits in the engine compartment almost immediatly. Even though I was streaming dense black smoke and fluids, I continued to fly 30 minutes more finally successfully landing at home. That is certainly a durable engine. Perhaps it is testing the new engine damage model? I'd love to see my P-47s and P-51s run even close to that long after taking hits.

 

They are both nice looking planes. Both are modeled well, based on appearance as I'm certainly not an expert on the series. I might fly them more as a change of pace from the P-51.

[CountZero]

another time in single player qm, 5x37HE in tail of 109 to get him down, this time i recorded it, from 3-6min in replay file.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jzs0v2jdxvdjjny/37HEvs109g6.zip/file

 

run it on il-2 stats to see % of damages (no pilot damage what so ever not even from last hit that blew away canopy):

 

also yesterday when i left 109 after just one hit in tail, and damage showing tail full of wholes and leaking fuel, 109 would just leak fuel and fly with no problem falowing me untill it run out of fuel ~25min after one hit.

 

EDIT:

AP 37mm only (pilot not damaged, only damaged on last 2 head on 109s):

https://www.mediafire.com/file/hijz4iutc3id2no/Yak9T37APvs109G6.zip/file

 

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by CountZero

[Rjel]

Just noticed that the tail wheel doors disappear at certain angles on the 9T.

 

[Pict]

6 hours ago, MattS said:

 

Man I just can't seem to get a handle on the Yak-9. Did quite a few QMBs against a flight of 4 Stukas without much success.

 

Jumped in a stock LaGG-3 and murdered all 4 of them no problem...two pilot kills within 30 seconds of each other and set the remaining two on fire.

 

Probably just a coincidence/luck, since I've never felt like I could shoot well with any of these ShVAKs. I lowered my convergence to 250m so maybe that helped...I like to shoot at close range ?

 

(Obviously there's no horizontal convergence issue with nose guns but I might have been shooting high with 400m...)

 

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk ?

 

 

 

It funny how both aircraft have identical armament and identical sights, yet putting the shots on target is actually a very different experience in both. Kind like the Spitfire & Hurricane, one was always given the "steady gun platform" treatment people say when there's not much else to say, while the other was super light on the controls.

 

As you are have no dramas with the LaGG-3, I would hazard a guess that it's largely down to it being less twitchy than the Yak. That said you could have a look at your stick input settings, try tone them down a little. I might take a screen of my stick input settings later (if I remember) an put them up here. One thing I know is that they are pretty slow compared to how some would like them. I use a  reasonable dead-zone always in the center to avoid any counter productive inputs from my old spiky stick  

 

The Yak will pick up on any rash inputs and porpoise just when you don't want it, like when you squeeze the trigger. That may well be another option, to set your trigger on your throttle or at least off your stick, IJNAS Zero style, if the trigger squeeze is a factor. The Japanese did that by design, just for that reason.

 

Trim might help too, I find that it's better to be trimmed slightly nose heavy for gunnery than any kind of nose light. Neutral trim would be ideal, but as the trim will change in a dogfight rapidly, you can wind up nose light as you pick up speed or pour on the power and your shots will always be wild.

 

Just my take on it, you may or may or not find it helpful.

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, Rjel said:

I was streaming dense black smoke and fluids, I continued to fly 30 minutes more finally successfully landing at home.

Got hit by he 111 engine seize after a couple of minutes. Not always durable

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've spent the last several days flying the Yak-9 and Yak-9T a whole bunch alongside some of the other Yak's in the series. It's been fun to get into the nuance of each fighter and kind of dig to see which one does the best in different roles. I have come to the overall conclusion that the Yak-1B is a bit better of a dogfighter but I think a lot of players may actually prefer the Yak-9 because of its better turn rate or the Yak-9T because of its firepower. The performance is very similar across the board and it does favour the Yak-1B from a raw performance standpoint in most categories but the Yak-9 is a little less twitchy and it does certainly inspire confidence if you're not as used to the Yak series.

 

Beautifully modeled too. The best looking Yak from an art/texture/3d perspective. 1CGS really pulled out all the stops here!

 

 

My full review is here: https://stormbirds.blog/2020/05/24/yak-9-and-yak-9t-collector-plane-review/

[Rjel]

45 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Got hit by he 111 engine seize after a couple of minutes. Not always durable

Could've been fluke then. Still, I'd like to think it's the shape of things to come.

[Livai]

On 5/23/2020 at 9:46 PM, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

I think late Yak-7Bs with bubble canopy got the extra machine gun removed



This looks like it has the old style rounded wing so it would be a late Yak-7B, no starboard machine gun fitted.

 

Screenshots are hard to find I found this -> The 728.IAP had in Dec. 1943 the Yak 7B "Late" with both machine gun fitted. As far I remember in IL-1946 we had a Yak-7B "Late" that had the both machine guns fitted too.........

 

[Diggun]

4 hours ago, Rjel said:

fly them more as a change of pace from the P-51.

This is what I have been enjoying the last few days. A different kind of challenge / change of pace to take on late war luftwaffe stuff with a completely different design from the BoBP Western ideas. Don't get me wrong, I love my Temptest and IXe, but... 

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 minutes ago, Livai said:

 

Screenshots are hard to find I found this -> The 728.IAP had in Dec. 1943 the Yak 7B "Late" with both machine gun fitted. As far I remember in IL-1946 we had a Yak-7B "Late" that had the both machine guns fitted too.........

 

 

I've seen this and wondered if it was just a lazy mirroring job or if it was really fitted with two machine guns.

[Livai]

16 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I've seen this and wondered if it was just a lazy mirroring job or if it was really fitted with two machine guns.

 

Good Question, below how the plane model looks finished & painted.

 

[Lusekofte]

30 minutes ago, Rjel said:

Could've been fluke then. Still, I'd like to think it's the shape of things to come.

I hope it means a bit more complex dm modeling

Yak 9 T have reboosted my liking to P39 and Lagg 7

[-DED-Rapidus]

6 hours ago, Rjel said:

Just noticed that the tail wheel doors disappear at certain angles on the 9T.

 

Hi! Do you still have a track with this effect or a video?

[Rjel]

49 minutes ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

Hi! Do you still have a track with this effect or a video?

Yes I do. Youtube video is below. The actual .trk is quite large but I do have it if needed.

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Rjel

[-DED-Rapidus]

@Rjel, the track can be archived and uploaded to the file sharing service. The track is very necessary!

[Rjel]

32 minutes ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

@Rjel, the track can be archived and uploaded to the file sharing service. The track is very necessary!

PM sent with link to download.

[Livai]

On 5/23/2020 at 10:24 PM, Pict said:

NS-37 as a one shot one kill weapon

 

Really? - The NS-37 is a one shot one kill weapon. A single shot will blow away the whole wing from every fighter plane.

 

Here a single shot from the 37mm cannon

 

Or watch this youtube video from 12:44 to 12:55

 

 

@ShamrockOneFive Searched for a historical photo from a Yak-7B "Late" with both machine guns and bubble canopy, looks like I found one 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by Livai

[Danziger]

5 minutes ago, Livai said:

 

@ShamrockOneFive Searched for a historical photo from a Yak-7B "Late" with both machine guns, looks like I found one 

 

 

Interesting. It has the Yak-9T style angled chin scoop. That is another difference in game between the 9 and 9T. The 9 has a straight scoop and the T has a forward angled chin scoop.

[Lusekofte]

13 hours ago, Diggun said:

This is what I have been enjoying the last few days. A different kind of challenge / change of pace to take on late war luftwaffe stuff with a completely different design from the BoBP Western ideas. Don't get me wrong, I love my Temptest and IXe, but... 

I love the Tempest too, but the Tempest hate me. It seems to lawndart right after I take a ill timed nap. 
 

Edited May 25, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I love the Tempest too, but the Tempest hate me. It seems to lawndart right after I take a ill timed nap. 
 

 

You need to be gentle ?

[cardboard_killer]

17 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

You need to be gentle ?

 

Yes, the Tempest is it's own worst enemy. I've ripped wings off and over reved it, too, even apart from the blackout danger.

[Lusekofte]

20 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

You need to be gentle ?

Tell that to the ufo maneuvering inconsiderate 109 jockey’s

[MattS]

3 hours ago, Danziger said:

Interesting. It has the Yak-9T style angled chin scoop. That is another difference in game between the 9 and 9T. The 9 has a straight scoop and the T has a forward angled chin scoop.

 

I get the sense that WW2 Soviet aviation in general was like the Wild West...if you had an idea you could run with it as long as it didn't slow down the production rate of the approved stuff. I mean the Yak-7B project in general was like "Hey man I heard you like Yaks, take a look at what we did to this one!"?

[MattS]

Is anyone else getting a constant "adjust mixture" warning with the Yak-9? Even at low altitude I seem to need to weaken the mixture a bit.

[Chief_Mouser]

10 minutes ago, MattS said:

Is anyone else getting a constant "adjust mixture" warning with the Yak-9? Even at low altitude I seem to need to weaken the mixture a bit.

 

Don't use the technochat so haven't seen that, but a lot of Soviet planes in the game require the mixture to be set halfway back once you've taken off. So I tend to do this and leave it there for the whole flight. Not sure if it applies to the Yak-9 or if I am correct in applying it to all of them, but it's a thought.

[Birdman]

22 minutes ago, MattS said:

Is anyone else getting a constant "adjust mixture" warning with the Yak-9? Even at low altitude I seem to need to weaken the mixture a bit.

I set it at 80% after engine start and leave it there the whole time, haven't seen mixture messages yet.

[SAS_Storebror]

38 minutes ago, MattS said:

Is anyone else getting a constant "adjust mixture" warning with the Yak-9? Even at low altitude I seem to need to weaken the mixture a bit.

 

I can confirm this and even more so, regardless what mixture setting I tried, there doesn't seem to be a "right" one.

Any altitude, any mixture setting, constant "adjust mixture" warnings.

What I'm doing now is to lean my head out of the window before taxiing, and lean the mixture until there's no exhaust smoke anymore, and then a tad back further.

At altitude, whenever I sense some smoke trails, I repeat the progress.

Quite like with the FC kites - which fits, at least if you take the default gunsight into account 

 

Mike