P-51 rendering at long distance

[=TU=flynvrtd]

 While playing in Combat Box,  I have noticed that while approaching a combat area and using zoom to observe what is going on I can spot and correctly identify most planes by their appearance.

 Every now and then a Tempest looks like a P47 or Spitfire because of the wing shape. P-38's are obvious as are other unique aircraft.

Consistently though, I have noticed that the P-51's appear almost half the size of all other planes they are engaged with. Sometimes hey are just darting little silver glints of pixels in the fight, while all others they are engages with are easily identifiable. No , they're not further away than the others, they are mixing it up in the same fight, yet are rendererd obviously smaller than all other aircraft.

[=TU=flynvrtd]

I really hope this is addressed in a future update.

It continues to be an obvious issue, The Mustang is rendered so much smaller in these instances, it's no damn wonder they can sneak up on you from a distance!

I was in Combat Box trying to help defend our 110 attackers last night and as I approached to help I noticed that there was a scattering of light colored pixels darting amongst the much larger rendered 190s and 109s. This was the Mustang they said was running rings our attackers. I hope the devs get a look at this.

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by flynvrtd

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Hey Developers,

 Any reply to this at all.

I know others are seeing the same thing.

 

[Diggun]

Are they? You've hardly been inundated with corroborating posts here. Might help your case if you could provide some screenshots as evidence.

[RedKestrel]

Honestly I seem to spot mustangs a little easier than other planes, not sure if that's just because the default skins are pretty shiny or what. They don't seem any smaller to me, just anecdotally.

[Creep]

I have noticed this as well @flynvrtd - it's only noticeable to me at very long range while using 10x zoom with the 3dMigoto mod from @c6_lefuneste. Tagging him here as well in case he can comment and/or corroborate this.

Edited April 20, 2020 by QB.Creep

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Thanks for the info QB.Creep.

Yes, I'm using the Rift CV1 and 3D Migoto and this rendering issue is apparent in 5x and 10x.

The Mustangs honestly look like gnats flying around all the other planes they're engaged with.

I'll try to capture some screen shots from Combat Box recordings.

 

 I don't think the Mod can be blamed for the way the planes are rendered at a distance though.

[Creep]

4 hours ago, flynvrtd said:

 I don't think the Mod can be blamed for the way the planes are rendered at a distance though.

I think it may have something to do with level of detail calculations at long range, possibly only in VR. 3dMigoto makes it way more noticeable

[=TU=flynvrtd]

I think I see what you're saying.

 But why just one aircraft model?

 

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Got some inages from a recording in Combat Box last night during a sortie in the Scheldte Map

Here's what I'm talking about..

 

As you can see in this capture from tacview, I am just under 4.5 miles from the chase that ensued after kurfurst pulled a 51 off  my 6. I continued to watch to inform

Kurfurst if there was anyone else approaching him.

 

Here it's plain to see the spacing between the two similarly sized aircraft.

 

Game zoom

 

5x 3D Migoto

Cropped and zoomed in from above image after capture

 

10X 3D Migoto  in this one.

 

Above image cropped and enlarged after capture.

Edited April 24, 2020 by flynvrtd

[=TU=flynvrtd]

  I guess it's perfectly fine that a plane with the speed and maneuverability of the P-51 can also be allowed to have this false STEALTH feature.

This rendering issue makes it easier for a P-51 driver to sneak up on you until he gets into lethal range.  And as we all know, you can't fight WHAT YOU CAN"T SEE!

 Early visual acquisition is important to survival in a game like this, especially in online play.  And with the way the P-51 performs, this stealth feature is an unfair advantage.

At 375 MPH a plane is covering 6.25 miles every minute (or 3.125 mile in 30 seconds) which equates to just over 1/10th mile every second.

528 feet /second  coming up on your rear quarter when this plane renders the way it does does not let you have a fair chance to spot it the way you can spot other airframes that render properly.

With the other spotting issues that already exist, how is this nerfed rendering acceptable?

Edited May 2, 2020 by flynvrtd

[Creep]

I think the rendering issue is only present at long range. In other words, the closer they get to you, the less noticeable it is. If someone is approach guns range, there is no disparity that I am aware of.

 

Great images though that capture the issue! Nice work putting that together.

[=TU=flynvrtd]

I've seen the same effect thru the game zoom  also creep

[RedKestrel]

Maybe a LOD issue? I seem to recall the P40 had an issue like this at one point as well.

[69th_Panp]

Don't use the 10x zoom, nothing to talk about 

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Nice try Pantsd

  You see, the problem is that even without the zoom at that level, you can see other planes in the distance, but the 51 renders so damn small, it's an unfair stealth advantage.

                             

[69th_Panp]

So you are upset that the P51 isn't rendered while using a 10X mod, so what you are really saying is your upset that you 10X cheat doesn't work well on the p51

dam what a shame that is, I feel for you bud  

[peregrine7]

On 5/9/2020 at 9:16 AM, 69th_Panp said:

So you are upset that the P51 isn't rendered while using a 10X mod, so what you are really saying is your upset that you 10X cheat doesn't work well on the p51

dam what a shame that is, I feel for you bud  

 

Hey mate, this would be a good point but I don't think you understand what the zoom mod does. Effectively all he is doing is cropping an image, the only difference is with the zoom mod it renders that crop at full resolution. It is the perfect way to demonstrate the issue as it shows (in effectively infinite resolution) a close up of what the game is actually rendering.

 

In this case it is clear that the game is rendering the P51 as far smaller than the BF109, this is independent of the zoom mod.

 

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Thanks Peregrine,

 But I think your explanation is falling on the deaf ears of a true P-51 fanboi that thinks the mustang won WW2 all by itself.

 Just the other night, I dove in to attack a group of allied planes that were out over the clear blue ocean. I carefully scanned the area to verify I was going to be unmolested as I attacked.

 I had no sooner started a fast gentle climb away from my initial attack only to find 2 P-51's on my 6 having appeared out of freaking nowhere.

Understand, I am AWARE of this possibility and my pre attack scan was for the purpose of AVOIDING such a surprise.

 The FACT that the graphic modeling of this plane is obviously hosed, gives an unfair stealth advantage to all that are flying it.

[=TU=Mobius708]

On 5/8/2020 at 6:16 PM, 69th_Panp said:

So you are upset that the P51 isn't rendered while using a 10X mod, so what you are really saying is your upset that you 10X cheat doesn't work well on the p51

dam what a shame that is, I feel for you bud  

@69th_Panp sigh...did you not see the image of the game zoom?

Edited June 18, 2020 by I./JG27-Mobius708

[Creep]

@flynvrtd have you noticed the disparity between LOD at distance for the P51 since the latest update? 

Edited June 18, 2020 by QB.Creep

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Seems to vary with situations.

I know that I have been on careful watch when out on a solo hunt and if any plane is going to surprise me by appearing from nowhere, it'll be a mustang.

 The problem is the speed it's capable of combined with the rendering issue as I stated above. 

[ACG_Smokejumper]

On 5/8/2020 at 4:16 PM, 69th_Panp said:

So you are upset that the P51 isn't rendered while using a 10X mod, so what you are really saying is your upset that you 10X cheat doesn't work well on the p51

dam what a shame that is, I feel for you bud  

 

Does Redhawk or Leart know you are trolling? Pretty sure 69th still has a gentleman like code. Red doesn't even like me cursing. The 69th is a great squadron, don't piss on its well earnt reputation.

 

10X zoom I think is more of a detriment than a cheat. I don't think that kind of tunnel vision is helpful but I don't use it.

Edited July 13, 2020 by ACG_Smokejumper

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Well...

Since the 50 cal argument seems to have such a strong backing, 

How about throwing us a bone and looking at the rendering errors of the

P-51 graphics model and make it AT LEAST as visible as a 109 or 190 at medium to long range distances. 

It's not just me that has noticed this anomaly and as discussed before, it gives this plane an unfair advantage in the high speed attack mode. 

It is essentially a stealth plane until it gets too close in its attack to defend against it. 

[=TU=flynvrtd]

Thanks devs. I noticed this addressed in last update.  Line item 10.