Tempest Squadron skin request from DFLion

[DFLion]

I have heard that one our great skinners recently put up a collection of RAF Tempest skins representing 3 Sqn 122 Wing based in Belgium. I then heard they have now been taken down. If at all possible could this collection be posted again as I am now creating some of these missions based on 3 Sqn during 1944/5.

I will be shortly posting one of these Missions - Tempest vs Messerschmitt based historically on a chapter from Pierre Clostermann's book "The Big Show".

Many thanks,

DFLion

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

i dont have Osprey tempest squadrons but i found this on google , is this the sqn you are looking for ? if so i will do them in 2048 only . Closterman is with his markings the rest just standard RAF ,

[MarcoPegase44]

3 hours ago, DFLion said:

I have heard that one our great skinners recently put up a collection of RAF Tempest skins representing 3 Sqn 122 Wing based in Belgium. I then heard they have now been taken down. If at all possible could this collection be posted again as I am now creating some of these missions based on 3 Sqn during 1944/5.

I will be shortly posting one of these Missions - Tempest vs Messerschmitt based historically on a chapter from Pierre Clostermann's book "The Big Show".

Many thanks,

DFLion

 

 

Look here for 274 Sqn 112 Wing End 1944

 

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And Here

 

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Edited February 20, 2020 by MarcoPegase44

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

wip , i'll do Closterman 2048 and 4096 and the rest 2048 , will post link to M4T when uploaded .

Edited February 20, 2020 by aminx504

[MarcoPegase44]

Please note this skin represents Clostermann's Tempest after the armistice of May 8 in June 1945.

He did not fight with this decoration.

For the skins collection of 3nd Sqn , that has been removed, contact by MP @Megalax

 

 

Edited February 20, 2020 by MarcoPegase44

[Raptorattacker]

Tempest MkV 'Le Grand Charles'

One of the several MkV Tempests flown by Flt. Lt. Pierre Clostermann titled 'Le Grand Charles'.

This one was from No3. Squadron RAF flying out of Volkel in Holland in April 1945.

 

 

 

Download HERE

GREAT template from @ICDP so thanks mate!!

Edited February 20, 2020 by Raptorattacker

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

i will include the above skin , skins of other units in the squadron such as A , Z , H etc some will be with the DDAY stripes on the belly still on , to complete some will be generic and based at Volkel Holland 1944 .

[Megalax]

12 hours ago, aminx504 said:

i dont have Osprey tempest squadrons but i found this on google , is this the sqn you are looking for ? if so i will do them in 2048 only . Closterman is with his markings the rest just standard RAF ,

 

 

This profile is so historically incorrect it's not even funny.

 

 

I have 3 Sqn skins from letters A-Z but with no serial numbers, and fit for operations after 3 January 1945 HERE.

Edited February 20, 2020 by Megalax

[DFLion]

Thanks everybody, great response. I've downloaded quite a few skins and they look great. I would especially like to thank MarcoPegase44, Raptorattacker, aminx504 and Megalax, keep up your good work.

DFLion

[DFLion]

That's better. Thanks again, especially Megalax.

DFLion

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

i am suspicious of the 3 sqn emblem as well . this is the official emblem . i might be substituting it once i have researched enough data . Unfortunately all the images from that period were in black and white .  all part of the fun .

[Megalax]

 

The 3 Sqn Emblem here while in b&w is clearly more colours than just yellow and red.

 

[ZachariasX]

3 minutes ago, Megalax said:

The 3 Sqn Emblem here while in b&w is clearly more colours than just yellow and red.

[MarcoPegase44]

1 hour ago, ZachariasX said:

Hello,

 

Hello,

this decoration was not used during the war.

These photos of Clostermann were taken in June 1945, just before he left the RAF and were taken everywhere.

To have the decoration and know everything about Pierre Clostermann's planes, everything is explained in the number of the review "Avions" number 227.

The Tempest JF E NV994 in April 1945, had no red propeller pan, no empennage badge, no Lorraine cross and the number of victories is to be reviewed.

 

 

[Megalax]

April 1945

June 1945

Autumn 1945, caption says November.

[ZachariasX]

3 hours ago, Megalax said:

  

1 hour ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

These photos of Clostermann were taken in June 1945, just before he left the RAF and were taken everywhere.

 

This photo is taken in early April at Fassberg, showing the 23 confirmed victories (black crosses) and the 9 probables (white oulines) of wich some were confirmed later on. (Actual tally is subject to discussions though.) Thus, the squadron badges were indeed applied before the end of the war.

 

The famous picture with Clostermann standing on the wing of his Grand Charles:

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is taken in Schleswig, late August 1945, about an hour before he boarded a B-25 to leave the RAF for good.

 

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by ZachariasX

[MarcoPegase44]

24 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

  

 

This photo is taken in early April at Fassberg, showing the 23 confirmed victories (black crosses) and the 9 probables (white oulines) of wich some were confirmed later on. (Actual tally is subject to discussions though.) Thus, the squadron badges were indeed applied before the end of the war.

 

The famous picture with Clostermann standing on the wing of his Grand Charles:

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is taken in Schleswig, late August 1945, about an hour before he boarded a B-25 to leave the RAF for good.

 

 

According to the excellent article by Christophe Cony which is very documented from January 2019.

This photo was taken in late June 1945 at the Danish base in Kastrup.

The empennage badge was painted by the mechanics on the night of May 8 to 9, 1945.

The badge was therefore not used during the war and the prize list is that of the end of the war.

 

 

 

[Megalax]

1 hour ago, ZachariasX said:

  

 

This photo is taken in early April at Fassberg, showing the 23 confirmed victories (black crosses) and the 9 probables (white oulines) of wich some were confirmed later on. (Actual tally is subject to discussions though.) Thus, the squadron badges were indeed applied before the end of the war.

 

 

 

 

 

Negative, the squadron badges are for sure a post war addition. This is NV994 on 18 April 1945. Note the absence of the squadron badge.

 

[ZachariasX]

8 hours ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

This photo was taken in late June 1945 at the Danish base in Kastrup.

It‘s not what Clostermann himself writes. (Or his editor?) He explicitly labels the photos as I described. Your article quote might be right though, as they were stationed in Kastrup at the time you mention. I took the info from „Le grand cirque 2000“, the complete edition. It would have deserved a much more thorough editing.

 

It‘s generally a bad habit not exactly labeling photos with „who, when, where, why“ as long as you are absolutely certain about those facts. Without that photos lose a lot of value. But it takes diligence.

[MarcoPegase44]

Precisely it is the reading of the book "The great circus" which is to be taken with caution.

This book was written from Clostermann's daily war books, very well written and fascinating but which contains a lot of errors in certain actions, dates, fights which sometimes mix, identifications of the opposing units, number of victories. This is normal because written in the action and then the memory can fail to restore order by the writer.

It is a very beautiful testimony of the life of a pilot of FAFL and the atmosphere of the time but not a historical work.

Historically it is to be taken with caution because it lacks perspective.

This has given rise to a lot of debate between enthusiasts and historians in France.

In recent years, quite a few articles in journals specialized by historians have precisely reconstructed the journey of Pierrre Clostermann during the war and his planes.

These articles have certainly never been translated into English.

Many of these debates are explained on the forum "Check Six" in French

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

Unless someone can show otherwise to me it looks like they all got their emblem painted  to one side of the rudder or starboard post May 1945 .

Edited February 22, 2020 by aminx504

[Megalax]

3 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

It‘s not what Clostermann himself writes. (Or his editor?) He explicitly labels the photos as I described. Your article quote might be right though, as they were stationed in Kastrup at the time you mention. I took the info from „Le grand cirque 2000“, the complete edition. It would have deserved a much more thorough editing.

 

It‘s generally a bad habit not exactly labeling photos with „who, when, where, why“ as long as you are absolutely certain about those facts. Without that photos lose a lot of value. But it takes diligence.

 

Clostermann has made some dubious claims and has even pointed himself out in pictures where he couldn't have been. The most famous one is where he points himself out in a picture with JF-M in full invasion stripes, but when 3 Sqn was in full invasion stripes, he was still flying Spitfires. While his account is a great story, either his memory failed him when he compiled his writings and photos or he was just trying to pull a fast one. Like anything there are exceptions, but knowing that the 2nd TAF strictly enforced and observed marking orders it is quite simple to date a photograph when you know when certain things like invasion stripes, tail bands and roundels were changed or removed.

[ZachariasX]

43 minutes ago, Megalax said:

 

Clostermann has made some dubious claims and has even pointed himself out in pictures where he couldn't have been. The most famous one is where he points himself out in a picture with JF-M in full invasion stripes, but when 3 Sqn was in full invasion stripes, he was still flying Spitfires. While his account is a great story, either his memory failed him when he compiled his writings and photos or he was just trying to pull a fast one. Like anything there are exceptions, but knowing that the 2nd TAF strictly enforced and observed marking orders it is quite simple to date a photograph when you know when certain things like invasion stripes, tail bands and roundels were changed or removed.

 

I think it would make sense that he would do what you call "pull a fast one" when presenting photograps. It happens often when you show very old photographs to people supposedly featuring themselves. I mean, he was already very old when all these pictures started to float around and he was supposed to describe them.

 

It is my experience as well, even with family photos from that time, showing the same picture to different people gives a surprising difference of info abou them. The interesting part is usually when you then in a second round confront the same people with the photo again, along with what the others said about it being on the picture. If it was just him telling about what's on the photos, I'm not surprised that he got things wrong, especially on pictures with mostly generic content.

 

Even your own photos, the rule is: Label them now and precisely! Else, they lose value.

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

download link at M4T

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads4&file=details&id=634

[Megalax]

A brief bit of constructive criticism, if I may, @aminx504, I don't know if your intention is historical accuracy, however if it is, then:

 

All 2nd TAF aircraft on the continent got the order to change their markings on 3 January 1945. The order stipulated that all tail bands were to be deleted and that markings on all surfaces were to be changed to C1 type.

Your skin has the pre-1945 B/C/C1 arrangement. C1 are the red/white/blue roundels with the yellow border.

2nd, there never was an NV784 that wore JF-E. There was only NV724 and NV994, and were the only JF-Es flown by Clostermann.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Megalax

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

time for 274 sqn , my favourite Hurricane squadron in the desert campaign Egypt , Lybia 1941. They even went on using their trade mark flash on their tempests . 5 skins .

 

 

download link

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads4&file=details&id=636

Edited February 25, 2020 by aminx504

[MarcoPegase44]

New Tempest skins for 274 Sdn in the end of 1944 and early 1945

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/57187-tempest-mpg-skins-factory-skins-4k-for-complete-squad-of-tempest-274-squadron-in-1944-for-carrermod-available-edit-new-skin-for-1945-274-sqn-tempest-jj_m-flown-by-sldr-walter-jhibbert-new-sqn-leader-fairbank-tempest-1945/

 

New Fairbank Tempest Sqn leader 274 Sqn  Download Here

The link is repaired,
Really sorry

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by MarcoPegase44

[Megalax]

 

See the link for the following squadron packs:

3 Sqn 1944 pack (A-Z)

3 Sqn post invasion 1944 pack (A-Z)

3 Sqn 1945 pack (A-Z)

 

56 Sqn 1945 pack (A-Z)

 

I will add more over time.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by Megalax

[MarcoPegase44]

 

 

Another Tempest (JJ -R, NV660) piloted by Pierre Closterman at 274 Sqn on March 14, 1945 on which he shot 3 Bf109.

I was inspired by the JJ-M at the same time not having a photo of the NV660.

[Soto_Cinematics]

On 2/26/2020 at 8:01 AM, MarcoPegase44 said:

 

 

Another Tempest (JJ -R, NV660) piloted by Pierre Closterman at 274 Sqn on March 14, 1945 on which he shot 3 Bf109.

I was inspired by the JJ-M at the same time not having a photo of the NV660.

 

Hello again, is this skin available to download?

[MarcoPegase44]

3 hours ago, Lemsip said:

 

Hello again, is this skin available to download?

Hello,

Indeed, this skin is part of a small series of Tempest from 274sqn in 1945 that I never offered for download.

I'm looking at this today or tomorrow with an additionally a slightly improved alpha channel.

Edited November 15, 2020 by MarcoPegase44

[Soto_Cinematics]

1 hour ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

Hello,

Indeed, this skin is part of a small series of Tempest from 274sqn in 1945 that I never offered for download.

I'm looking at this today or tomorrow with an additionally a slightly improved alpha channel.

 

I will wait patiently while you work then , your skins are great!

[MarcoPegase44]

On 11/15/2020 at 3:10 AM, Lemsip said:

 

Hello again, is this skin available to download?

 

 

Available here.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/57187-tempest-mpg-skins-factory-skins-4k-for-complete-squad-of-tempest-274-squadron-in-1944-for-carrermod-available-skin-for-1945-274-sqn-tempest-jj_m-flown-by-sldr-walter-jhibbert-sqn-leader-fairbank-tempest-1945_new-skins-pack-274sqn-clostermann/?do=findComment&comment=1024497

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Edited November 16, 2020 by MarcoPegase44

[Soto_Cinematics]

4 hours ago, MarcoPegase44 said:

Available here

 

 

Thank you so much Marco, I appreciate the effort.