DCS

[Hoss]

22 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Nope. 

The only way I’d conceivably be interested in the Apache is using it to create a fictional Marine, Tarawa/land-based “Sea Apache” campaign. You see now we have CAS. The Apache otherwise is not.a CAS platform. Pffttt.

 

However since I’ve already bitten off too much in the DCS/content creation department, and since the Apache is just too complicated and outside of the time frame that I find remotely Interesting - not going to happen.

 

Plus from where I sit it just lacks character. Too modern...too capable...too electronic. Turn-off.

 

Like I keep saying an AH-1 is an instant buy (preferably an earlier 2 bladed whop whopper one, but I won’t turn down a later 4 blade, 2-engine model)  however the Apache is a hard pass.

 

I’d buy a CH-53 in a hearbeat too.

CH-47 would be more fun, hovering that rear hatch on some ledge while your troops pile out.

[Gambit21]

5 minutes ago, Hoss said:

CH-47 would be more fun, hovering that rear hatch on some ledge while your troops pile out.

 

Aye that one too.

[Hoss]

The update did fix the Jugs analog trim, need to see if the arming commands can be set with 1 - 9 and RCTL + 1-9.

 

Cheers

 

 

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Very understandable. I am going to put in a lot of effort to try and learn this thing, may end up being a no go for me I just don't know at this junction.  And I am having a ton of fun flying campaigns in the Hornet I hate to take away too much from that either.  It is nice to be able to fly and enjoy combat in the Hornet now that the majority of the learning process is behind me and I can manipulate and fire the weapons on board without having to reference anything (most of time).

 

I guess time will tell for me with the Apache. Will give it the good ole college try though. I so loved both Longbow I and II back in the 90's.

 

Here's what I found for me, and this just relates to me and my available time for actually flying, which is much, much less than yours (because I'm buried in the editor)

It's simply this...I know multiple modules partially, and I don't know a single module nearly completely, or nearly enough to do everything I want to do and truly enjoy it.

Which is frustrating me.

I go Tomcat, no Viper, no Tomcat..wait the A-4 is cool! Viper...Tomcat. I annoy myself. There's some Huey and Mossie time in there too.

 

I won't give up flying the Viper now and then and dropping some dumb bombs, I won't give up the Tomcat and will continue to learn where I can. It's just such a superb module.

Where I'm really headed though I think is complete proficiency in the F-4, and F-4U. (Zero when in comes) While being as good as I can manage in whatever else.

When the A-6 get's here then I'll re-evaluate. 

 

If I had your available stick time absolutely I wouldn't hesitate to take on something as complex as the Apache along with flying something like the Hornet.

That said these skills are perishable, and there's something to be said in being completely current in something and not diluting your skills over too many modules.

 

Too much time in the Apache and yes your Hornet skills/muscle memory will fade. I've seen too many "...now I have to re-learn" posts in this very thread to think otherwise.

 

 

 

 

[DD_fruitbat]

6 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

 

Thanks, had a look and there is plenty of info, especially in the VR section, lots to read and learn!

 

If I may, a couple of questions I have (and I hope it is not a faux pas to compare the two sims - IL-2 and DCS)

 

How is the relative performance of DCS vs IL-2? (That is, assuming both are using Steam VR @ SS 100%)

I can get a steady 80fps without reprojection in my Valve Index (SS 100% 2016 x 2240 pixels) with settings maxxed out (aside from MSAA x 2) in IL-2 on a i5 9600k 4.9GHz, 32Gb DDR4 and a RTX2080ti 11Gb.

 

Would I be able to run the DCS Normandy map without reprojection (I think it is also reffered to as Motion Smoothing)?

 

Does DCS have clickable cockpits? (If so, how does this work in VR? Mouse? Index Controllers?) Or are there a ton of buttons that I have to map? I'm thinking of getting an Authentikit Spitfire control column if I don't need to map gazzillions of buttons.

 

Thanks for reading (and sorry for all the brackets)

 

Algy-Lacey

 

I have a very similar system to you, and I prefer vr in dcs. I can run il2 maxed,  but not dcs. However on high enough settings that to me dcs is at a higher overall level.

 

Your mileage may vary of course. 

 

Dcs doesn't require steam vr, vr support is native which i prefer  

 

That said,  i fly 2d mostly,  because I prefer 4k eye candy. 

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Here's what I found for me, and this just relates to me and my available time for actually flying, which is much, much less than yours (because I'm buried in the editor)

It's simply this...I know multiple modules partially, and I don't know a single module nearly completely, or nearly enough to do everything I want to do and truly enjoy it.

Which is frustrating me.

I go Tomcat, no Viper, no Tomcat..wait the A-4 is cool! Viper...Tomcat. I annoy myself. There's some Huey and Mossie time in there too.

 

I won't give up flying the Viper now and then and dropping some dumb bombs, I won't give up the Tomcat and will continue to learn where I can. It's just such a superb module.

Where I'm really headed though I think is complete proficiency in the F-4, and F-4U. (Zero when in comes) While being as good as I can manage in whatever else.

When the A-6 get's here then I'll re-evaluate. 

 

If I had your available stick time absolutely I wouldn't hesitate to take on something as complex as the Apache along with flying something like the Hornet.

That said these skills are perishable, and there's something to be said in being completely current in something and not diluting your skills over too many modules.

 

Too much time in the Apache and yes your Hornet skills/muscle memory will fade. I've seen too many "...now I have to re-learn" posts in this very thread to think otherwise.

 

 

 

 

Next time we hook up,  i reckon i can teach you air to air in the Viper in an evening,  wayyyy simpler than Hornet. 

[dburne]

6 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Next time we hook up,  i reckon i can teach you air to air in the Viper in an evening,  wayyyy simpler than Hornet. 

 

Yeah I am way better in air to ground in the Hornet than I am in air to air with it. Thankfully the campaigns I have flown so far have a heavier focus on air to ground.

[Bremspropeller]

Jim, I think the best way to proceed for you is to just try to fly some missions with some hooman company. You'll be feeling like you're holding on for dear life at first, but moving people forward is to throw them into the water and making them swim. Rather than having them standing beside the pool, sticking their toes in and having them wonder whether the water's too cold.

 

Gosh, Jim, did you see that thing over there?

*SPLASH*

?

 

The Tomcat and Viper are really great for that. The Tomcat, because Mr. Talkback will do most (or nothing at all) of the stuff and the Viper because it's HOTAS actually is one. And it's not designed by braindamaged people who think that the same button !must! perform 27 different funcions depending on some weird sub-mode they ask you to be in (*cough A-10C II *cough*).

Edited March 18, 2022 by Bremspropeller

[dburne]

Goodness had a look at Wags YouTube for the Apache - currently there are 23 instructional videos he has out for it.

[Bremspropeller]

The startup is rather simple, though.

 

So if you have a tame nose-gunner with some proficiency, you can just sit back and be an overtrained limo-driver.

Just my kind of job

[dburne]

Welp I finally have all my mapping done for the Apache using Wags controller setup video as a guide. Probably did not need to map the CPG controls as I will probably only play as pilot but I got them mapped as well anyways.

 

Now to start my training. Gulp.

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Jim, I think the best way to proceed for you is to just try to fly some missions with some hooman company. You'll be feeling like you're holding on for dear life at first, but moving people forward is to throw them into the water and making them swim. Rather than having them standing beside the pool, sticking their toes in and having them wonder whether the water's too cold.

 

I'm sure you're correct.

My IQ drops 20 points when I plug into that headset and get online with you guys though. 

 

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Gosh, Jim, did you see that thing over there?

*SPLASH*

?

 

? - that was pretty much it. The good news is that I can watch it from F2 after I get splashed by a SAM - because my helmet fire prevented me from even remembering about SAMS. 

 

 

 

[dburne]

I couldn't resist - before starting the training I started off on the runway with engines running. Got her off the ground and flew around the base for a bit. Gorgeous in VR and having the IHADS displayed in my right eye was pretty neat.  Managed a rough landing but we survived.

Now on to the training.

[Gambit21]

9 minutes ago, dburne said:

I couldn't resist - before starting the training I started off on the runway with engines running. Got her off the ground and flew around the base for a bit. Gorgeous in VR and having the IHADS displayed in my right eye was pretty neat.  Managed a rough landing but we survived.

Now on to the training.

 

Hot Start? ?

 

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Hot Start? ?

 

 

Yeppers. Cold Start training is next on my list, only way to go. I managed a nice rolling runway landing this time.

I think cold start in the Apache will be easier to learn than it was in the Hornet. Hoping so. OMG it is so nice to be flying the Longbow again after all these years. I think I may well stick with it through the learning process. I will just have to fly some Hornet Campaign missions mixed in between to keep fresh on it also.

 

Edit: Cold start routine is not too bad, should be able to learn this with a little effort. 

I think I am going to be able to learn this thing - hope so anyway - I would think having the George AI CPG handling some of the duties should help as well. Time will tell but I am feeling good about it initially.

Edited March 18, 2022 by dburne

[dburne]

I have a feeling learning the Apache may be comparable to say a cowboy taming a wild horse lol.

Perseverance.

[Art-J]

A friendly reminder. These of you who would like to jump back to a quick warbird flight for a change from Apache-frenzy should check the special options tab. For some reason this last game update reverted automatic takeoff helper back to 100% in most warbirds in my install. Yours might be affected the same way. 

 

I knew something was iffy when my first 109 flight after a long break had a flawless takeoff and landing - it was just too good to be true ?.

[Lusekofte]

I assigned all axis no trim nor buttons.

It is a early release. It feel twitchy on rudders , got Lagg in collective,  very sensitive on stick. I guess it can be tweaked.

 Older choppers in this game have a more developed groundeffect in my opinion. Environment feel a bit dead.

I feel I am not very motivated to learn the systems. That is why it probably will be a shelved module for me.

But it might surprise me. I like the Gazelle better. It is a gem when it comes to maneuverability. 

[Bremspropeller]

It's not easy to fly well. The force-trim is a bit mystical to me.

 

But then, there's a lot of fun potential in this module.

[dburne]

31 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

It's not easy to fly well. The force-trim is a bit mystical to me.

 

But then, there's a lot of fun potential in this module.

 

Yeah I am struggling with the force trim. Wags posted a new video in his mini updates for the Apache which addresses some more common complaints included trimming of the thing. I will be checking it out and working on it tomorrow. I did not have much luck trying to use the force trim today.

 

Crap I am probably going to end up ordering a Virpil collective for the Apache. I learned most of the KA-50 and had a lot of fun with it but that has been a few years ago. I am sure at this point I have forgotten all that I learned. Guess I could also use the collective with it should I ever go back to it also. But also I am determined to learn all of the Apache. Especially as I was such a huge fan of Janes Longbow series.

Edited March 18, 2022 by dburne

[41Sqn_Skipper]

[Gambit21]

40 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Yeah I am struggling with the force trim. Wags posted a new video in his mini updates for the Apache which addresses some more common complaints included trimming of the thing. I will be checking it out and working on it tomorrow. I did not have much luck trying to use the force trim today.

 

Crap I am probably going to end up ordering a Virpil collective for the Apache. I learned most of the KA-50 and had a lot of fun with it but that has been a few years ago. I am sure at this point I have forgotten all that I learned. Guess I could also use the collective with it should I ever go back to it also. But also I am determined to learn all of the Apache. Especially as I was such a huge fan of Janes Longbow series.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Have not used the trim. But I start to get the feel of this now. 

Startup was easy. Navigating the screen ok ish. 

Rudder authority in this game is a bit over the top so I tweaked it making landings /takeoff pretty straight forward. I got virpils collective with throttle and KA 50 grip. I guess a collective is the key to smoothly fly it.

I find it weird, takeoff require rudder input. Not cyclic , keep the stick on center and adjust when wheels are free

I will fly this some more before I decide going further with weaponsystem and ai George

 

 

[dburne]

8 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Have not used the trim. But I start to get the feel of this now. 

Startup was easy. Navigating the screen ok ish. 

Rudder authority in this game is a bit over the top so I tweaked it making landings /takeoff pretty straight forward. I got virpils collective with throttle and KA 50 grip. I guess a collective is the key to smoothly fly it.

I find it weird, takeoff require rudder input. Not cyclic , keep the stick on center and adjust when wheels are free

I will fly this some more before I decide going further with weaponsystem and ai George

 

 

 

Yeah I have seen the same. Going to try a little curve on my rudder and see if that helps.

[dburne]

One would think playing as the pilot in the Apache with the George AI helper and CPG my task of flying this thing should be easier. At this point I am not so sure...

Still working on learning cold start and flying this baby around a little. I really would like to have a collective so I could use both throttles on my Virpil CM3 for power as they should be. Not yet ready to go that far got to make sure I will stick with this first. I suppose I could use the flaps lever axis on my CM3 for collective and free up both throttle axis to use as I would like. Would seem a little odd though and would take my right hand away from several buttons I could press whilst using the collective.

Edited March 19, 2022 by dburne

[Bremspropeller]

@DD_fruitbat if you'd like to, we could do a hop tonight. Unless you want to be pilot, because I'm useless up front ?

[DBFlyguy]

The AH-64 is my first helo in DCS and I was surprised how easy it is to fly!  Granted, I only flew around for about 15 minutes before I went to bed but I had no issue taking off, flying around and landing (a bit harder than I wanted ? but didn't crash)  Also happy to see both of my "locally based" Apache units well represented with default paint schemes, 82nd CAB and 1-130th ARB.

[Lusekofte]

I lack the final finesse.

But I start to think this is a doable module, Not my favorite. But sure aint bad

[Enigma89]

 

The F&F community made this new server that is based on Fox-1 and Fox-2 fighting, it is pretty fun and the Mirage does well there

[Bremspropeller]

Hey @Enigma89, do you plan including the upcoming F-4 and Mirage F1 (maybe with loadout-restrictions) for your CW server?

 

One note: You can engage vertical scan by hitting the Sensor Switch FWD twice when in Magic submode (once for boresight). Going aft will get you horizontal scan and going aft twice will get you horizotal scan with adjustable antenna elevation.

Edited March 19, 2022 by Bremspropeller

[dburne]

Geeze Louise - I am so struggling with using the force trim in the Apache. I can fly and land way better with not using it versus using it which is very odd. But I need to be able to use it.

[Guest deleted@83466]

That trimming can’t possibly be as bad as coming from the nimble Mi-8 to the cumbersome Hind, thinking it might feel similar.  I can’t stand it, actually.  The Mi-24 just isn’t as cool as it used to be.  I haven’t got Apache yet, because I’ve got too many modules queued up already.  I’ll get it eventually, obviously. (  I’ll keep plugging with the Hind; Sometimes it takes years to like a module. )

Edited March 20, 2022 by SeaSerpent

[Bremspropeller]

17 hours ago, dburne said:

Geeze Louise - I am so struggling with using the force trim in the Apache. I can fly and land way better with not using it versus using it which is very odd. But I need to be able to use it.

 

It does work, but it has a tendency to hang up after retrimming, so you'll need to stir the controls to unfreeze it.

I have crashed several times due to that. So far it looks like there is an NO easy way to avoid it.

 

Might be fixed with the next update (hopefully!).

 

Edith: Fixed typo.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Bremspropeller

[Lusekofte]

It is a relativly easy module to fly. I have not tested the trim yet, but I see no need for it right now. It goes easy to hoover. I guess that auto hover and hoover easy movements are going to make the tachtical part fairly easy too. 

For my sake I will just spend available time to fly it and see if I want to go further and learn the weapon system. 

To be a early release, I find it very complete compared to other early releases , so far. It is bound to have bugs and stuff we do not like , it is the name of the game. I am plesantly surpriced so far. About the Hind, I really do not like it. It might be realistic, but in my controls it is impossible some times to keep from spinning while in hoover

[Lusekofte]

I consider buying the collective grip for the AH 64.

The amount of technology is breathtaking. I got the ka 50 and it is not nearly enough.

So Next time I am home I will start getting into weapon system. Just to make sure I am motivated to learn this

6 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I consider buying the collective grip for the AH 64.

The amount of technology is breathtaking. I got the ka 50 and it is not nearly enough.

So Next time I am home I will start getting into weapon system. Just to make sure I am motivated to learn this.

I like being able to have search light and not essential things added

 

[Bremspropeller]

@dburne I got a hint to try try the "FFB instant trim" option and it seems to work much better than the other function.

[dburne]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

@dburne I got a hint to try try the "FFB instant trim" option and it seems to work much better than the other function.

 

Yeah someone recommended that to me a little bit ago, I can now grease my landings in! Thank goodness I did not think I would ever get landings down.

[scram77]

4 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

@dburne I got a hint to try try the "FFB instant trim" option and it seems to work much better than the other function.

Is that what it's called in the controls section?

[dburne]

1 hour ago, scram77 said:

Is that what it's called in the controls section?

 

Not in controls section , look in the Special tab for the Apache you will see it there.

[scram77]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

 

Not in controls section , look in the Special tab for the Apache you will see it there.

Found it - cheers.  Works a lot better than before now....almost too well!

[dburne]

51 minutes ago, scram77 said:

Found it - cheers.  Works a lot better than before now....almost too well!

 

Yep I am making great running landings with it now, I just got to work on landing from a hover now which seems to present a new challenge for me LOL. I will get there.

Edited March 21, 2022 by dburne