DCS

[CanadaOne]

11 hours ago, Nic727 said:

I had a bit of time to try planes tonight.

 

First try, F5-Tiger. People think it's good for beginner, but took me 30 minutes to takeoff and I hate the fact you can't turn the wheel without pressing a button and the flight level trim is a bit annoying.

 

Second try, L39. Tutorial voice is in Russian and everything in the cockpit is in Russian. I just left...

 

Third try, Mirage 2000. My tutorial just bugged where I need to switch the radio communication on/off...

 

Fourth try, F18. Was just flying in the first training mission which is following waypoints.

 

Whatever, I don't know how people are playing this game/simulation. I need to take more time and maybe someone help me figure out how to play, but the clickable cockpit is a nightmare when you don't have TrackIR or VR since you need to move the camera and move your mouse to click on a button... Or I really need to map all 300 controls just to turn on engine, choosing missiles/bombs, etc.

 

DCS is only and exactly as complicated as you want it to be.

 

If you get in the A-10A (for example) on the runway with the engines running, you will be able to take off in seconds. If you watch a few short Grim Reapers youtube tutorials, you will be using the GAU-8 cannon, rockets, bombs, and Maverick missiles in minutes. And hitting stuff. On the other hand, if you get in the A-10C and do a cold start, you will grow a beard by the time you're airborne. And don't even think about using the weapons.

 

I've had the Harrier for months, and I can do some fancy stuff with it, but I've never bothered with the startup simply because it doesn't interest me. I go right for the takeoff and the fun stuff. After all, it's a game and no one is paying me to engage in the parts of it I don't enjoy. I can do the vertical takeoff and landings, land on carriers, drop GPS and laser guided bombs, manage the ILS (kind of), but I have yet to run through a single startup procedure. Maybe one day I will, but for the moment I'm not interested.

 

Start with the easy fun stuff. The A-10A and the F-15E are perfect. Just fly around for the fun of it and you'll learn to do the things that interest you. But watch some tutorials.  

 

Get in the A-10A and start with the GAU-8, it's the perfect gateway drug. 

[Lusekofte]

Ok guys. I find myself in a bit of a problem

I adore the F 14 and simply do not care a bit about the Hornet. 
Should I buy the supercarrier?

Another thing, anyone noticed if the indicator on left side on windscreen showing glide path is stuck on go lower

[unlikely_spider]

On 5/3/2020 at 9:08 AM, CanadaOne said:

On the other hand, if you get in the A-10C and do a cold start, you will grow a beard by the time you're airborne. And don't even think about using the weapons.

 

Just timed myself - I was rolling in just under six minutes.

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

50 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Ok guys. I find myself in a bit of a problem

I adore the F 14 and simply do not care a bit about the Hornet. 
Should I buy the supercarrier?

Another thing, anyone noticed if the indicator on left side on windscreen showing glide path is stuck on go lower

 

It shows angle of attack, not glide path.

[RAY-EU]

Problem solved .

Edited May 5, 2020 by RAY-EU

[CanadaOne]

9 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Just timed myself - I was rolling in just under six minutes.

 

You'se one of them sophistimicated fancy thinkin' types what does the rocket surgery.

[Lusekofte]

I find it very interesting. Starting procedure and shut down. 
I scared the crap out of Jester Two days ago. He ejected r?

[CanadaOne]

11 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Ok guys. I find myself in a bit of a problem

I adore the F 14 and simply do not care a bit about the Hornet. 
Should I buy the supercarrier?

Another thing, anyone noticed if the indicator on left side on windscreen showing glide path is stuck on go lower

 

I pre-ordered the SC a few months ago. They say they might release it SP if they can't fix the MP problems by the end of the month. I think one of the problems they're trying to work out is to get the F-14 to interact properly.

 

I bought it because I want some fancy lit up night landings. It's less about the tech and more about the eye candy. I think I'm going to buy the F-18 to get the most out of the carrier.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

If you have Miles points, do they work during sale? Having more than enough to get the Viper and almost the Persian Gulf map. 

[Lusekofte]

8 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

If you have Miles points, do they work during sale? Having more than enough to get the Viper and almost the Persian Gulf map. 

Ha ha I do not have the viper. Thought I did buy it. Getting good at restraining myself. 
I will take the Hornet for a spin one more time. I guess I am hooked on carrier operations. I was hoping the Hind would come so I could forget about the jet test

[Tektolnes]

13 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

If you have Miles points, do they work during sale? Having more than enough to get the Viper and almost the Persian Gulf map. 

 

You can use your miles to get an additional discount. I just checked with the FW190 A-8 which was discounted to $24.99 and I could apply a further $3.99 based on me having 3990 miles in my account.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

If you have Miles points, do they work during sale? Having more than enough to get the Viper and almost the Persian Gulf map. 

Damnit

damnit 

I was in to check that and saw the viper and supercarrier on 50 % and bought both

I blame you

 

54 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Getting good at restraining myself. 

Please ignore this

 

btw @LLv34_Flanker I could not use miles on those

Edited May 5, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[DD_Arthur]

Lol Luse!

 

Okay,  here is my completely subjective, I'm-an-idiot overview of what I've tried so far in this free month.  I intend to limit myself to a maximum of three purchases before this very generous sale period is over.   I already own FC3, the Spitfire, Mustang, Harrier, F86, MiG15,  MiG19 and the Tom Cat..........and all the maps. 

Since I'm now a complete tart for VR I'll confess that all that fidelity, systems modelling accuracy, etc has gone straight out the window as the first hurdle these modules have to cross is the VR eye candy one and the Tom Cat has set that bar pretty high now.

 

My procedure is to fire up the module immediately upon downloading.  If I like what I see I'll set up the controls.   

 

Those that fell at the first hurdle;

 

The L39 and the Aviojet.  A pity but it was all too much of a Lego experience.  They've been around for a while now and it shows.  Also the MiG21;  it seems to have enough switches, knobs and dials for three planes!  Is there a story behind that cockpit?  Khrushchev returns from his visit to the States in '59 and gets Mikoyan on the 'phone;

 

"It's worse than we thought. They're ahead of us in radar, colour tv and flame grilling.  This new fighter....make sure it's got everything d' you hear?  Microwave, rotisserie and a double oven!  Get Salvador Dali and Heath-Robinski on it right away!" 

 

The JF17.  I was looking forward to this as a simple, modern jet to learn but I was surprised to find that - for me - the cockpit was a big VR turn off.  

 

Those that I've parked pending further investigation;

 

The A10C and the Hornet.  There's also a limit to just how much MFD 'goodness' I can handle.  I understand the A10 has just had a revamped 'pit and the F/A18 is one of the latest and greatest but.......I found it all a bit bland and am I  ever really going to take the time to learn this stuff?

 The F5.  There's something about it.  Just having the gunsight and guns firing on the first flight was thrilling.  Cockpit is....okay.  On a par with the F86 so I can tolerate it.  We'll see.

 

Those I've set up the controls, tried and now rejected;

 

The I-16 and FW190.  I have really tried to like DCS WW2.  Several of my squadmates have it and enjoy it but for me I find almost everything in GBS superior.  That includes the'pits and the flight modelling.  Performance of the Normandy map is still atrocious for me too.  What I really like about DCS WW2?  The sounds and the throttle response and that's about it.  The I-16 is a great little plane but what exactly can it be flown against?  The Kurfurst?  Er....Okay.  The FW seems to have some graphical rendering problems with the outside world whilst in flight which didn't help it's case.  Having flown it,  I simply don't care for it.

 

 Those that I really like, want to keep,  but don't quite know what to do with;

 

The Yak 52.  In a class of it's own.  Really, really good and authentic fun.  If enough of me homies can be persuaded into formation aerobatics then it's a keeper. 

 

Wot I am deffo keeping mate and might go and buy after I've finished this rambling rubbish;

 

The F16 and the Mirage.  The F16 ticks all the boxes; nearly as nice graphically as the Tomcat and everything it should be to fly.  Simply very impressive indeed which gives me the motivation to actually delve into it deeply.

The Mirage has been the surprise for me.  Really nice, interesting cockpit in VR. Not too daft systems-wise and as a true delta a very interesting flying experience.  Liking it ALOT!.

Most importantly;  they both perform really well in VR in terms of smoothness,  lack of judder and consistant fps whilst flying.  In this respect not all  DCS aircraft are created equally.

 

Of course I've also got to consider Mr. Supercarrier.  Twenty-five bucks is another twenty-squid in my my which is almost the cost of a decent takeaway curry.  Takeaways and supercarriers.  What have they got in common at the moment?

 

Yep, they're both temporarily unavailable......

[ZachariasX]

3 hours ago, Tektolnes said:

You can use your miles to get an additional discount. I just checked with the FW190 A-8 which was discounted to $24.99 and I could apply a further $3.99 based on me having 3990 miles in my account.

I don't gave miles but about $35 in discount. I can't find any occasion to make use of them. If it not "miles" have they become useless?

[Lusekofte]

6 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

and the Tom Cat has set that bar pretty high now.

yes it is really on a league by itself

 

10 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

The I-16 

I really enjoy the DCS version. The only ww 2 plane in DCS I like better than GB’s. But ofcource nothing else than flying it. 

 

15 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Yak 52

Make me fly I 16 very little. By the prople flying similar planes it is apparently pretty authentic. 
 

 

17 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

The F16 and the Mirage.  The F16 ticks all the boxes; nearly as nice graphically as the Tomcat

Well F 16 might be used, after all a legendary plane that will be mentioned in history as the Spit. But time wise I really screwed up buing it. 

1 minute ago, ZachariasX said:

I don't gave miles but about $35 in discount. I can't find any occasion to make use of them. If it not "miles" have they become useless?

No they can be used limited when buying at full price. 

[Tektolnes]

50 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

I don't gave miles but about $35 in discount. I can't find any occasion to make use of them. If it not "miles" have they become useless?

 

Unfortunately I think they might be nearly useless now. They're going to be closing the old bonus points system at the end of May and as long as the sales continue there won't be any full prices modules to use them on and anyway you're getting a better discount with the sales than you would using the bonus points. Think campaigns aren't discounted at the moment so you could maybe use up a few there if you really wanted to.

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

The JF17.  I was looking forward to this as a simple, modern jet to learn but I was surprised to find that - for me - the cockpit was a big VR turn off.  

 

 

 

 I don't know if they released the final cockpit textures for the JF17 yet, but i know, when It was released it had temporary cockpit. It was written in the preorder release notes.

 

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

FW190. 

  The A8 is in my opinion the worst DCS module. 

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

The Yak 52.  In a class of it's own. 

I didn't buy it when it was released, I thought it was going to be boring, but i took it for a spin last week after one of your posts and WOW.?

 

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

The Mirage

 

My all time favorite DCS jet. While the Tomcat is superior in quality and can do a lot more interesting things in the game, the mirage has that special cool for me.?

[unlikely_spider]

32 minutes ago, Tektolnes said:

 

Unfortunately I think they might be nearly useless now. They're going to be closing the old bonus points system at the end of May and as long as the sales continue there won't be any full prices modules to use them on and anyway you're getting a better discount with the sales than you would using the bonus points. Think campaigns aren't discounted at the moment so you could maybe use up a few there if you really wanted to.

Source? Do I need to use up my miles now?

[Trooper117]

13 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

Source? Do I need to use up my miles now?

 

ED Miles will not expire as long as there is a purchase from the DCS e-shop during a period no greater than three years.

[Tektolnes]

2 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Source? Do I need to use up my miles now?

 

 Your miles are fine as Trooper pointed out above. Before the ED Miles program ED had a bonus points system which worked kind of similar but you could only use them against full price purchases which made them a bit hard to use sometimes. The bonus point system is on the way out though, after checking my email again, it seems if you use them for something then the expiry date gets extended. But realistically the only thing I could spend them on right now would be some campaigns and I have all the ones I want so I'm resigned to those points disappearing for me.

[Lusekofte]

Am I right in my observation that there are no catapult on the carriers we have now? 
And no single missions with takeoffs from carriers?

[CanadaOne]

10 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Am I right in my observation that there are no catapult on the carriers we have now? 
And no single missions with takeoffs from carriers?

 

There are catapults. If you set the F-18 on the carrier in the mission editor, you start off ready to go and launch is when you hit full throttle. It's gonna be pretty cool when there are all the crew animations to go along with it on the SC and you have to maneuver into position.

[Lusekofte]

Ok I am in love with the tomcat and are currently working on liking the Hornet

[CanadaOne]

35 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Ok I am in love with the tomcat and are currently working on liking the Hornet

 

Can the F-14 use the catapults now like the F-18?

[Lusekofte]

I do not know

[Alexmarine]

@216th_LuseKofte @CanadaOne 

 

Both the 14 and the 18 can obvioulsy use the catapults (duh). Only difference is that 18 will launch when at full afterburner while the 14 can be launched with an apposite command (which will also have the pilot salute the crew). With the future SC module it is expected to have the 18 launch in the same way as the 14

[CanadaOne]

40 minutes ago, ACG_Alexmarine said:

@216th_LuseKofte @CanadaOne 

 

Both the 14 and the 18 can obvioulsy use the catapults (duh). Only difference is that 18 will launch when at full afterburner while the 14 can be launched with an apposite command (which will also have the pilot salute the crew). With the future SC module it is expected to have the 18 launch in the same way as the 14

 

 

Did you just "duh" both myself and my esteemed colleague LuseKofte? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

The Hornet doesn't need blower. Full dry will do to initiate the cat-launch.

[AndyJWest]

32 minutes ago, ACG_Alexmarine said:

@216th_LuseKofte @CanadaOne 

 

Both the 14 and the 18 can obvioulsy use the catapults (duh). Only difference is that 18 will launch when at full afterburner while the 14 can be launched with an apposite command (which will also have the pilot salute the crew). With the future SC module it is expected to have the 18 launch in the same way as the 14

 

Will the crew gesture frantically if you've forgotten to complete the checklist? ?

 

@Bremspropeller: Is there an obvious cue as to where 'full dry' is throttle position wise? If there is an 'afterburner engaged' indicator I've not found it.

[Alexmarine]

9 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Did you just "duh" both myself and my esteemed colleague LuseKofte? 

Your esteemed colleague often left his buddies flying doomed Il-2 sorties to fly on the Luftwaffe side when FNBF was on. I'll "duh" him and his associates as much as I would like ?

Edited May 6, 2020 by ACG_Alexmarine

[CanadaOne]

Just now, AndyJWest said:

 

Will the crew gesture frantically if you've forgotten to complete the checklist? ?

 

 

 

 

I'm dying to see how they react to one of my post-bourbon Harrier landings.

[Alexmarine]

If we don't die before ED are actually able to fix the issues with them... You know, before the next decade or even more...

 

Though I admit that they would like to cash in on the upcoming Top Gun 2 for sure 

Edited May 6, 2020 by ACG_Alexmarine

[CanadaOne]

4 minutes ago, ACG_Alexmarine said:

Your esteemed colleague often left his buddies flying doomed Il-2 sorties to fly on the Luftwaffe side when FNBF was on. I'll "duh" him and his associates as much as I would like ?

 

I'm sure he felt justified in his decisions.

[Alexmarine]

Just now, CanadaOne said:

 

I'm sure he felt justified in his decisions.

 

Yeah he was happy of not being on the receiving end of a Minenegeschosse shower 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, ACG_Alexmarine said:

 

Both the 14 and the 18 can obvioulsy use the catapults (duh).

I know they could. But whats going on in DCS is not always the same thing. 
I watched topgun too

42 minutes ago, ACG_Alexmarine said:

Your esteemed colleague often left his buddies flying doomed Il-2 sorties to fly on the Luftwaffe side when FNBF was on. I'll "duh" him and his associates as much as I would like ?

You left out the fact I flew JU 52 and frequently got shot down by doomed IL 2’s

and by frequently I mean two times

Edited May 6, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[dburne]

3 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Am I right in my observation that there are no catapult on the carriers we have now? 
And no single missions with takeoffs from carriers?

 

Yes there are.

There is a takeoff mission, and a cold start mission from the Stennis.

At least with the Hornet, not sure on the F 14.

Edited May 6, 2020 by dburne

[DD_Arthur]

Starting to realise why people use Warthog sticks and the like for this thing.  There's only so much you can assign on a MSFFB2. 

 

  Go guns 'cause I can't bring up the radar?  Uh oh.

 

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Good hits and to make sure ram him  

 

DCS is the only game I would recommend warthog. Preferably Virpil witsch have all types of grips like F 14 and the use of warthog grip . 

I use maxflightstick with a CF grip with 2 hatswitches and one on the collective. It is really needed. And you are walking on the path of bancrupcy by following that urge of hardware.

You probably know it already, the MSffb2 you got is better for WW2 than warthog, I know  people putting their warthog on shelf for MSffb2

Better yet getting a ffb stick today cost about 2000Euro so you are in a exclusive club

Edited May 7, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[nirvi]

New damage effects in progress

[DD_Crash]

Ouch!