SimShaker - Wings support thread for IL-2 users

[Andre]

38 minutes ago, J5_Rumey said:

When steam vr is active mirror headset audio to desktop... but putting it on just gives me the inagme sounds on my buttkicker, cant adjust and test does not work. Its sendsing packets but grey roundel does not light up for for example firing guns.

 

 

I see, thank you. No need to mirror headset audio to anywhere.

I can see on the screenshot that you get just "motion device" type of packets. In such a case only 2 effects from the SimShaker Wings 2nd tab can be triggered.

Please check that the startup.cfg file in the IL-2 folder contains also the "telemetry device" section, or email the file to me and I will check it.

[J5_Rumey]

Ty the telemetry was in there just had wrong port dunno how i managed that. It works now thank you! Now that it work, thinking maybe a jetseat next

 

[NO.20_Fuzzy_Man_Peach]

Anyone know how long andres shop will be down? I’d like to snag a Jetpad. Or if anyone has recommendations for other hardware that’s similar, I’d appreciate it ??

[NO.20_Fuzzy_Man_Peach]

On 4/16/2021 at 7:56 AM, NO.20_Fuzzy_Man_Peach said:

Anyone know how long andres shop will be down? I’d like to snag a Jetpad. Or if anyone has recommendations for other hardware that’s similar, I’d appreciate it ??

Looks like it’s back up??

[yakflyer007]

I have two issues that I cannot figure out.  I just got my key for Wings with the buttshaker add on.

First issue is I have it in stereo as I have two separate shakers and I am running them off of my realtek on board sound and game audio is with a creative and in card.

I have two mono amps on the way as I have a total of 3 shakers.  Till Wednesday I am using a second home theater receiver.  I am going out (front left/right) of the on board sound to the cd in of the receiver. Then I have the front speakers hooked up each to a separate aura buttshaker.  But only the left works.  If I change the speakers wires and have left on right the other shaker works but not both.  I have tried multiple cables, total of 3 different receivers and they all do the same thing.  I also tried it out of the soundblaster z add in card and only one will work. That is one issue.

 

The other problem I have is that I have is since I am trying to go to 3/4 shakers I have the optional software.  However, I am going crazy trying to get the Asio4all asio driver to install.

I have tried 2.15 beta 1/2, and 2.14.  When I go to downloads and double click to run I get the agree to the software and then where to install.  But I am not getting the next part where it should has 3 checkboxes.  One is already checked and that is the required asio driver and then 2 other boxes.  I saw examples as I spent 6 hours troubleshooting the issue.  I tried to install with Admin priv but no go.  Nowhere does anything show up in regards to Asio in sound properties.

I do NOT get anything in taskbar like I have seen while troubleshooting. 

 I do get the Icon on desktop that takes me to the Asio4all official website.  I get 2 dll files in the C:/program files x86 folder. asio4all.dll and asio4all64.dll, the uninstall icon and the website shortcut.  That is it.

I am on a week vacation and ordered 2 100 watt sub amps and have 3 shakers.  Any help would be appreciated. 

[Andre]

3 hours ago, yakflyer007 said:

I have two issues that I cannot figure out.  I just got my key for Wings with the buttshaker add on.

First issue is I have it in stereo as I have two separate shakers and I am running them off of my realtek on board sound and game audio is with a creative and in card.

I have two mono amps on the way as I have a total of 3 shakers.  Till Wednesday I am using a second home theater receiver.  I am going out (front left/right) of the on board sound to the cd in of the receiver. Then I have the front speakers hooked up each to a separate aura buttshaker.  But only the left works.  If I change the speakers wires and have left on right the other shaker works but not both.  I have tried multiple cables, total of 3 different receivers and they all do the same thing.  I also tried it out of the soundblaster z add in card and only one will work. That is one issue.

 

The other problem I have is that I have is since I am trying to go to 3/4 shakers I have the optional software.  However, I am going crazy trying to get the Asio4all asio driver to install.

I have tried 2.15 beta 1/2, and 2.14.  When I go to downloads and double click to run I get the agree to the software and then where to install.  But I am not getting the next part where it should has 3 checkboxes.  One is already checked and that is the required asio driver and then 2 other boxes.  I saw examples as I spent 6 hours troubleshooting the issue.  I tried to install with Admin priv but no go.  Nowhere does anything show up in regards to Asio in sound properties.

I do NOT get anything in taskbar like I have seen while troubleshooting. 

 I do get the Icon on desktop that takes me to the Asio4all official website.  I get 2 dll files in the C:/program files x86 folder. asio4all.dll and asio4all64.dll, the uninstall icon and the website shortcut.  That is it.

I am on a week vacation and ordered 2 100 watt sub amps and have 3 shakers.  Any help would be appreciated. 

I'm afraid I have understood very little of what you have written to help you. Please excuse me.

[yakflyer007]

I am getting two more sub amps to drive the left and right channels of my aura buttshakers this Wednesday. Hopefully that will take care of not getting a left and right channel. I will leave that issue for now. 

 

My biggest concern is that I cannot get the Asio4all driver to install. I get nothing in the task manager. All I get is an icon on the desktop that goes back to the website.

To install I am just downloading the Asio4all 2:15 Beta 2 English application.  I then run as administrator.  It seems to start to install, green install bar goes across screen very quickly and closes.  After install there is nothing in start menu, or task bar.  I do not see the little icon to open it.  

I am using my realtek mobos onboard audio for Simshaker and my creative soundblaster add in card for game sounds.  

Thanks for any help you can give me. 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by yakflyer007

[yakflyer007]

10 hours ago, Andre said:

I'm afraid I have understood very little of what you have written to help you. Please excuse me.

Got one of the two problems figured out.  I now have stereo working on the buttshakers. I purchased some new cables.  All three did not work.  I switched a cable from my add in card that goes to my multichannel receiver for my speakers and I got stereo right away, Happy but pissed as I spent hours on this last night.  Weird thing is the cables that would not work on the on board sound card work perfectly on the add in creative z card.  

Now I have to tackle the Asio driver install as that still will not work. 

[Mtnbiker1998]

Seems like the P-51 Payload discharge effect doesn't seem to be working. Everything else in the P-51 feels ok, and the other planes I tested have all their payload effects. 

 

Not sure if this is a bug with IL-2 or Simshaker (I'm guessing IL-2) But I wasn't sure where to post this.

[Andre]

On 5/4/2021 at 5:15 AM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Seems like the P-51 Payload discharge effect doesn't seem to be working. Everything else in the P-51 feels ok, and the other planes I tested have all their payload effects. 

 

Not sure if this is a bug with IL-2 or Simshaker (I'm guessing IL-2) But I wasn't sure where to post this.

Thank you for the feedback. I will check it at my end.

[rowdyb00t]

@Andre

 

Is this possible?

 I’m not sure they’ve seen your thread here. 

[Andre]

On 5/4/2021 at 5:15 AM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Seems like the P-51 Payload discharge effect doesn't seem to be working. Everything else in the P-51 feels ok, and the other planes I tested have all their payload effects. 

 

Not sure if this is a bug with IL-2 or Simshaker (I'm guessing IL-2) But I wasn't sure where to post this.

Confirmed. I reported the issue to IL-2 devs team.

16 hours ago, rowdyb00t said:

@Andre

 

Is this possible?

 

I think we need more telemetry data from the game to implement such an effect.

[DD_Crash]

Hello Andre, is there any chance of telemetry from Tank Crew. Sound isnt quite the same.

[Andre]

48 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

Hello Andre, is there any chance of telemetry from Tank Crew. Sound isnt quite the same.

Hello DD-Crash,

you asked me on July 17, 2020. I answered.

 

 

[Andre]

On 5/4/2021 at 5:15 AM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Seems like the P-51 Payload discharge effect doesn't seem to be working. Everything else in the P-51 feels ok, and the other planes I tested have all their payload effects. 

 

Not sure if this is a bug with IL-2 or Simshaker (I'm guessing IL-2) But I wasn't sure where to post this.

Please re-check with the fresh IL-2 version 4.602b. I think it's fixed.

[Mtnbiker1998]

4 hours ago, Andre said:

Please re-check with the fresh IL-2 version 4.602b. I think it's fixed.

Just tested, all feeling as it should! ?

[scottike]

I'm trying to decide where to mount my two bass shakers. I'll either mount them on the left and right of the seat or one on the seat and one on the back. 
 

Are there many stereo effects that provide useful information such as damage on a particular side or if one wing is in a deeper stall?

[Andre]

Damage is left-right separated, but stall is not.

[javelina]

really interested in adding this for my IL-2.  I've been using Simshaker for Aviators and Simshaker Sound Module with my Buttkicker and DCS just fine.

 

I downloaded the Simshaker for Wings to "demo" it, and followed the configuration instructions.  When I start up IL-2 I see that Simshaker for Wings is enabled, but it won't let me select a sound card.  That part of the configuration menu remains greyed out.  Plus, I cannot select the buttkicker radio button without getting an error message that Simshaker for Wings can't access a file in my users/documents/simshaker-wings FXs/audio/..... 

 

Not sure what is up.

 

Edited July 3, 2021 by javelina

[Andre]

45 minutes ago, javelina said:

When I start up IL-2 I see that Simshaker for Wings is enabled, but it won't let me select a sound card.  That part of the configuration menu remains greyed out. 

Not sure what is up.

 

Please select Bass-shakers in the Output group box

 

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Plus, I cannot select the buttkicker radio button without getting an error message that Simshaker for Wings can't access a file in my users/documents/simshaker-wings FXs/audio/..... 

That maybe due to antiviral software activity. Some of them block access to users/documents folder

 

[javelina]

25 minutes ago, Andre said:

Please select Bass-shakers in the Output group box

 

That maybe due to antiviral software activity. Some of them block access to users/documents folder

 

that was it buddy!  I made an exception in my anti-virus to allow access to this data path.  now it is working.  thanks Andre!  I'll be ordering the key shortly.  ?

[Charlo-VRde]

I am a big fan of SimShaker and the JetPad!  I'm considering posting the following to the "Technical Issues and Bug Reports" forum, "Video and sound settings" thread at

 

What do you think?

 

Brief description: A20 sound vibration output to software such as SimShaker Wings cuts out

 

Detailed description, conditions: While flying in an A20, MP or SP, if you switch to a gunner position, then switch back to the pilot position, eventually the sound vibration output that is read by SimShaker Wings and sent to a Buttkicker, a Jetpad, etc. is cut off. The A20 sounds themselves still work fine in speakers and headphones, it's just the sound output to SimShaker Wings stops.  Restarting SimShaker Wings brings back the sound vibration output. FYI, in the previous version of SimShaker Wings this used to also happen when flying the A20 for 15 minutes, even without switching to a gunner position.

 

Your PC config data (OS, drivers, specific software): Windows 10, SimShaker Wings 2.5, see my signature for full hardware details

[Andre]

5 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

I am a big fan of SimShaker and the JetPad!  I'm considering posting the following to the "Technical Issues and Bug Reports" forum, "Video and sound settings" thread at

 

What do you think?

 

Brief description: A20 sound vibration output to software such as SimShaker Wings cuts out

 

Detailed description, conditions: While flying in an A20, MP or SP, if you switch to a gunner position, then switch back to the pilot position, eventually the sound vibration output that is read by SimShaker Wings and sent to a Buttkicker, a Jetpad, etc. is cut off. The A20 sounds themselves still work fine in speakers and headphones, it's just the sound output to SimShaker Wings stops.  Restarting SimShaker Wings brings back the sound vibration output. FYI, in the previous version of SimShaker Wings this used to also happen when flying the A20 for 15 minutes, even without switching to a gunner position.

 

Your PC config data (OS, drivers, specific software): Windows 10, SimShaker Wings 2.5, see my signature for full hardware details

That's not sound output what SimShaker Wings uses, but telemetry output.

I will try to reproduce the issue at my end and see if I can fix it.

Thank you for the feedback.

[Panzerlang]

I reported this a long time ago (as did others) and it's with any plane; for whatever odd reason the vibes gradually faded away, would come back, fade again and etc. It pretty much mirrored what would happen when running the butt-kicker directly from the game's sounds too so I think it's something in the game itself that causes it.

[Andre]

1 hour ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

I reported this a long time ago (as did others) and it's with any plane; for whatever odd reason the vibes gradually faded away, would come back, fade again and etc. It pretty much mirrored what would happen when running the butt-kicker directly from the game's sounds too so I think it's something in the game itself that causes it.

I don't think that's the same issue.

IIRC I could not reproduce what you guys reported.

[Varibraun]

7 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

for whatever odd reason the vibes gradually faded away, would come back, fade again and etc. It pretty much mirrored what would happen when running the butt-kicker directly from the game's sounds too so

 

I have a Jetseat & 2 Buttkickers set up through SimShaker.  I found the Buttkickers would cut out while the Jetseat kept working and then eventually the Buttkickers would start working again.  Turns out my problem was that the Buttkickers were overheating and triggering a thermal safety cut-off, and once they cool off they start working again.

 

I spoke to Customer Support with Buttkicker and they confirmed this was a problem with long continuous sounds/vibrations (can you say - props on cruise rpms).  The solution was simply to turn down the Buttkickers.  Probably the easiest way to tell if this is your issue is to touch the Buttkicker when it turns off - if it is hot to the touch, that's the issue.

[Panzerlang]

49 minutes ago, Varibraun said:

 

I have a Jetseat & 2 Buttkickers set up through SimShaker.  I found the Buttkickers would cut out while the Jetseat kept working and then eventually the Buttkickers would start working again.  Turns out my problem was that the Buttkickers were overheating and triggering a thermal safety cut-off, and once they cool off they start working again.

 

I spoke to Customer Support with Buttkicker and they confirmed this was a problem with long continuous sounds/vibrations (can you say - props on cruise rpms).  The solution was simply to turn down the Buttkickers.  Probably the easiest way to tell if this is your issue is to touch the Buttkicker when it turns off - if it is hot to the touch, that's the issue.

Well damn, if that's what it was they suck. You mean the amplifier I presume (re over-heating)? So maybe a replacement amp, for one that reliably does what it's supposed to.

[Varibraun]

10 minutes ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

You mean the amplifier I presume (re over-heating)?

 

Actually, its the transducer that was overheating.  They have good customer support and we worked on the issue by switching amps (since I have 2) just to be sure it wasn't a defective part.  From what I recall, their explanation was that they were designed for more up/down sounds rather than the continuous drone vibration of a cruising a/c. 

 

For me, it was simply turning the amps down just a bit (my amp settings are approx 80 on the frequency and 5 clicks to volume - if I go up to 7 clicks on volume, I risk overheating).  

[Panzerlang]

Thanks VB, I've hooked it all back up and am trying it again (sound trigger only, which seems to be working decently at the moment). I'm checking the transducer with my hand to see how hot it becomes (and how quickly). It's a fine point between the green light and enough vibration vs the red clipping light coming on.

[Panzerlang]

Nuts, it stopped vibrating in the middle of a mission. Neither the transducer or amp were hot. I got little tremors thereafter but mostly gone. I've removed it again and now consider it permanently retired.

[Varibraun]

31 minutes ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

Nuts, it stopped vibrating in the middle of a mission.

 

Sorry that wasn't the solution for you,  had my fingers crossed. 

[1./KG4_EKat]

Hi Andre,

 

I'm having the same or similar problem as Javelina in that my SimShaker-Wings software isn't working with my soundcard. This occurred when I upgraded to 2.5 stable from 2.12. I'm also using a buttkicker.  I can select the Bass-Shakers group and cam pick the sound card from the pick list. However, it remains grayed-out after selection. The following error is reported:

 

22:29:53.781 SimShaker-Wings | version 2.5
22:29:53.782 NaudioPlaybackEngine: could not initialize playback device. Audio subsystem is temporarily disabled. Exception from HRESULT: 0x88890008

 

I'm presuming this is also a problem with my anti-virus. I've tried adding the user/documents path and the SimShaker-Wings path to my A/V software's allow/exceptions list. Perhaps those aren't correct for my audio problem?
 

[1./KG4_EKat]

Never mind Andre. Problem is now solved. Honestly, I think my problem was the need to pick the correct sound card with SimShaker-Wings. I had forgotten that my Soundblaster Z PCI card seems to work best with SimShaker (and not my MB's RealTek audio chip). Also, getting the pick list to drop with a mouseover is a little fidgety on my PC. And maybe it was the path's allowed in A/V software. Maybe all that. 

[TheWarsimmer]

Does anyone know the proper formatting of custom wav files? On the website it specifically says to create 48,000 16bit pcm wavs in audacity, but that makes the bitrate 768 kbps... I've noticed the default base wav files are all 1536kbps, which would make it 32 bit. It also seems like there is no telemetry for touchdowns, and instead simshaker seems to reference ground bumps? I'm curious more than anything.

 

[Andre]

5 minutes ago, TheWarsimmer said:

Does anyone know the proper formatting of custom wav files? On the website it specifically says to create 48,000 16bit pcm wavs in audacity, but that makes the bitrate 768 kbps... I've noticed the default base wav files are all 1536kbps, which would make it 32 bit. It also seems like there is no telemetry for touchdowns, and instead simshaker seems to reference ground bumps? I'm curious more than anything.

 

Bitrate also depends on the number of channels. Hence, having in case of the SimShaker Wings 32-bit float, 48 kHz format and different number of channels we get different bitrate values:

1 channel - 1536 kbps

2 channels - 3072 kbps

6 channels - 9216 kbps

 

Touchdown and ground bumps effects rely on the shock absorbers compression.

[TheWarsimmer]

1 hour ago, Andre said:

Bitrate also depends on the number of channels. Hence, having in case of the SimShaker Wings 32-bit float, 48 kHz format and different number of channels we get different bitrate values:

1 channel - 1536 kbps

2 channels - 3072 kbps

6 channels - 9216 kbps

 

Touchdown and ground bumps effects rely on the shock absorbers compression.

 

I see. So 32 bit wav. I had been trying to amplify the gain of the touchdown through audacity, and noticed there was a touchdown_all.wav in the base files, but they never seem to be called up in the verbose log files. I did see a lot of ground bumps being called up though. 

[Andre]

9 hours ago, TheWarsimmer said:

 

I see. So 32 bit wav. I had been trying to amplify the gain of the touchdown through audacity, and noticed there was a touchdown_all.wav in the base files, but they never seem to be called up in the verbose log files. I did see a lot of ground bumps being called up though. 

I don't think I ever told that it was 16 bit for the SimShaker Wings.

touchdown_all.wav is called with some other supported game.

[Charlo-VRde]

On 7/4/2021 at 3:03 PM, Charlo-VR said:

I am a big fan of SimShaker and the JetPad!  I'm considering posting the following to the "Technical Issues and Bug Reports" forum, "Video and sound settings" thread at

 

What do you think?

 

Brief description: A20 sound vibration output to software such as SimShaker Wings cuts out

 

Detailed description, conditions: While flying in an A20, MP or SP, if you switch to a gunner position, then switch back to the pilot position, eventually the sound vibration output that is read by SimShaker Wings and sent to a Buttkicker, a Jetpad, etc. is cut off. The A20 sounds themselves still work fine in speakers and headphones, it's just the sound output to SimShaker Wings stops.  Restarting SimShaker Wings brings back the sound vibration output. FYI, in the previous version of SimShaker Wings this used to also happen when flying the A20 for 15 minutes, even without switching to a gunner position.

 

Your PC config data (OS, drivers, specific software): Windows 10, SimShaker Wings 2.5, see my signature for full hardware details

On 7/4/2021 at 8:21 PM, Andre said:

That's not sound output what SimShaker Wings uses, but telemetry output.

I will try to reproduce the issue at my end and see if I can fix it.

Thank you for the feedback.

 

I saw that Andre wasn't able to replicate the issue, and I really appreciate the other posts about the issue in this thread.

 

After reading the advice from @Varibraun about turning down the frequency and output intensity of the Buttkicker, I did that and ran both the Buttkicker and the JetPad together, and I haven't experienced the issue I posted since then.

 

So, keeping the Buttkicker's High Cutoff Frequency down between 70 and 80 and also keeping the intensity low, though still enough to vibrate from the engine beats, keeps the Buttkicker cool, and the SimShaker telemetry output doesn't fade or cut out in any of the planes any more. Nice!

Edited July 13, 2021 by Charlo-VR

[Talisman]

Andre,

 

When will Simshaker-Wings be compatible with Clod/Blitz/Tobruk.  Any news would be much appreciated.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[Andre]

4 hours ago, ACG_Talisman said:

Andre,

 

When will Simshaker-Wings be compatible with Clod/Blitz/Tobruk.  Any news would be much appreciated.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

I had no updates on that matter. That depends on the IL-2 developers. Please excuse me.