Pilots Notes for Cockpit Photos

[Raptorattacker]

On 12/22/2022 at 7:12 AM, Charlo-VR said:

So, for me to create pilots notes for the Snipe I'll need it's equivalent data like you can see in what we currently have for the Camel, which I share here as an example:

I'veb trawled and I can't find anything mate...

It must all have been lost in the mists of time (and it's lack of presence in RoF!!).

Edited January 3, 2023 by Raptorattacker

[WWDarkdiz]

12 hours ago, Raptorattacker said:

I'veb trawled and I can't find anything mate...

It must all have been lost in the mists of time (and it's lack of presence in RoF!!).

We could probably take an educated guess...

Spin recovery is likely the same as for the Camel.

Controls are Blip and Mixture, I couldn't get past 1600RPM in a steep dive full throttle, IAS was pegged at the last number (whatever it is, 180?), 125 was the best I could get full thr level.  Corner speed is anyone's guess, probably around the same as the Camel I would think since the Snipe is considerable heavier, but has considerably more power.

T/R/BNZ - a VERY scientific 8/6/7.

No doubt folks will have other opinions, but at least this is a start (no haters please )

[Raptorattacker]

17 minutes ago, WWDarkdiz said:

T/R/BNZ - a VERY scientific 8/6/7.

I like your style!! I'd have done the same thing. 

[Charlo-VR]

This is the sort of thing we need, yeah! What max RPM can the Snipe take before the engine getting damaged? For me that’s the key stat for these WWI birds

[WWDarkdiz]

Like I said, an edu-makated WAG (Wild-A$$ Guess)

From my super-scientific, highly-repeatable testing (one flight, 60 deg dive at wide open throttle from 3500m), best RPM I could coax out of her was 1600RPM, so at least it is a start. The airspeed indicator was pegged fully clockwise, wouldn't budge from there.

As for the other super-scientific method for the T/R/BNZ, I came up with 867 because the music that was playing in the background at the time was by Tommy Tutone.  Seemed about right, and 5309 just didn't fit.  Clearly this was a sign from the Gods of flight simming, so I went with it

 

PS For some who don't get the Tommy Tutone reference, he was a one-hit-wonder with his song 867-5309

Edited January 4, 2023 by WWDarkdiz

[Charlo-VR]

Off topic: I saw Tommy Tutone perform live back in ‘83 at Disneyland when I was working there as a character in a parade that summer ?. Still an awesome song!

 

Back on topic: I finally caught COVID last week and am still struggling with symptoms like headaches. As soon as I feel well enough to stare at a computer screen I’ll create the Snipe pilots notes based on the above very helpful posts

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Charlo-VR

[Raptorattacker]

Get well soon mate. Been there, had it, got the t-shirt!!

[KG77]

can anyone walk me through the install of this? i have been wanting to change the photo to aircraft parameters since i originally seen this mod, im to new and computer illiterate to figure this out! any help would be great.

[WWDarkdiz]

2 hours ago, Crowell1988 said:

can anyone walk me through the install of this? i have been wanting to change the photo to aircraft parameters since i originally seen this mod, im to new and computer illiterate to figure this out! any help would be great.

Piece of cake.  Download the mod PNCP v1.02 (it is at the beginning of this thread). Run the installer (or unzip I can't remember which it is), I ended up using the Base version.

It will install into the /data/graphics/planes folder, but each cockpit photo will go into the correct sub-folder.

So for example, the correct pilot notes picture will be placed into say the Bf109G2/textures folder.  Note that each plane in the game has its own folder, the cockpit photo goes into the PLANE NAME/Textures folder for each.  It will over write the cockpit_photo.dds file already in there, and replace it with the updated cockpit_photo.dds file of the specs (the file you want).

Unfortunately, when there is a major update, this cockpit_photo.dds file will once again be over written back to the "sweetheart" pic, so it is wise to either individually back up each folder, or use a mod manager such as OVGME or JSGME to do it for you.

If you still are having issues with this, PM me I'll run you through it

[Charlo-VR]

Here's a link to my pilots notes for the Sopwith Snipe:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ck689naqzt5p0x8/custom_photo.dds?dl=0

 

Download and save into \IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles\data\graphics\Planes\SopSnipe\Textures\

 

Data is from @WWDarkdiz in his posts above and confirmed by my own use in a few quick flights. Since most of these specifications aren't provided by the devs and the Snipe was never released for Rise of Flight, I can be talked into corrections if there is consensus posted here. ?

[WWDarkdiz]

New Spitty XIVe, haven't looked at the engine specs yet, but for now I'm going to just put the XIV photo in the folder until I can find out more accurate info, if it needs to be changed at all

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, WWDarkdiz said:

New Spitty XIVe, haven't looked at the engine specs yet, but for now I'm going to just put the XIV photo in the folder until I can find out more accurate info, if it needs to be changed at all

 

It has the same specs as the earlier model but a different way of controlling boost and rpm.

[WWDarkdiz]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It has the same specs as the earlier model but a different way of controlling boost and rpm.

As long as the numbers are the same, no need to update the photo

[Charlo-VR]

Here's a link to my pilots notes for the SpitfireMkXIVe:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e79v7norozs5q0s/custom_photo.dds?dl=0

 

Download and save into \IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles\data\graphics\Planes\SpitfireMkXIVe\Textures\

 

All data is simply taken from the plane specifications the devs provide in the game.

 

As  @LukeFFpointed out in this thread above and in https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/83627-update-5101-discussion-thread/#comment-1263027 , this is the same engine info. as the Spitfire XIV, but I added lines that explain why to use the full max and full min. prop pitch lever. Many of us who use these pilots notes do so because we like to fly lots of different planes so might forget this advanced feature in the Spitfire XIVe.

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Charlo-VR

[WWDarkdiz]

Perhaps add the 11,000 supercharger alt with 150 manual switching only (auto switching disabled)?

 

[Charlo-VR]

I find the above Spitfire XIVe pilots notes already a bit crowded so I don’t plan to add that myself. 
 

This is a good time and place to again recommend the perhaps better pilots notes project at https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/73855-another-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/

His approach allows for more technical detail than we have in the pilots notes in this thread ?

 

[WWDarkdiz]

I don't disagree, just thought it might be a good thing (its on some of the others I think)

 In terms of the other notes... I kind of like the layouts in this thread tbh... ?

[Bravo6ixDelta]

Hey there, has this mod been updated for the most recent patch?

[Charlo-VR]

I believe so, yes - it includes pilots notes for every flyable aircraft. The only error that may be in it is an old one - the Spitfire Vb may have a WEP of 5 minutes instead of 3 minutes, per the placard inside the cockpit. But I am waiting for the devs to update that in the Briefing for the Spitfire Vb before I update that in its notes.

[WWDarkdiz]

2 new planes. Shuckert D.IV, for now until someone figures out the exact specs I'm going with the DR1 notes, and for the 109G6AS, pretty sure the G6 late will be VERY similar

[Charlo-VR]

Here's a link to my pilots notes for the Bf109G6AS:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2sajnwxjbud175/custom_photo.dds?dl=0

 

Download and save into \IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles\data\graphics\Planes\Bf109G6AS\Textures\

 

All data is simply taken from the plane specifications the devs provide in the game. The specs are quite similar to the G6 Late, though I include lines specific to the DB-605ASM engine option.

 

Shuckert D.IV

I'm going to need some expert's help on the pilots notes for the Shuckert D.IV. The engine specifications in the game are as spare as for the other WWI aircraft, which is why for the Flying Circus aircraft I've been using the engine specifications pulled from the table in the old ROF manual.

But since the Shuckert D.IV was never in ROF I don't have any specifications to draw from.

So, for me to create pilots notes for the Shuckert D.IV I'll need it's equivalent data like you can see in what we currently have for the Fokker DVIII, which I share here as an example:

For the Shuckert D.IV I can see in the game specifications that the max level speed at sea level is 192 kph. I also can see in the parked Shuckert D.IV that since it's a radial it has mixture and blip.

I just need someone to provide the other Shuckert D.IV numbers and spin recovery like we have for the Fokker DVIII in the example above. Once I have that I can create pilots notes for the Shuckert D.IV that look similar to the above for the Fokker DVIII.

[Russkly]

Apologies up front - I've been using this excellent mod for a while now, but for some reason it's reverted to the photos of girls.

 

It was installed using the .exe rather than JSGME.

 

Is there a single download file for all the aircraft, please?

 

I've searched this post, but can't find a consolidated download file.

[Charlo-VR]

Storebror stopped updating this mod a couple of years ago, so since then a few of us (perhaps only me?) continue adding pilots notes images as new aircraft are released or as minor errors or changes are discovered in his original pilots notes.
 

Thus, you have to scroll though this thread to find links to aircraft not included in Storebror’s original mod. Since he stopped I’ve just been sharing what I create for myself based on his excellent original idea.
 

At https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/73855-another-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/ you can find an alternate pilots notes that are still maintained by its original author, so probably have them all bundled in its first post.

[Russkly]

15 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

Storebror stopped updating this mod a couple of years ago, so since then a few of us (perhaps only me?) continue adding pilots notes images as new aircraft are released or as minor errors or changes are discovered in his original pilots notes.
 

Thus, you have to scroll though this thread to find links to aircraft not included in Storebror’s original mod. Since he stopped I’ve just been sharing what I create for myself based on his excellent original idea.
 

At https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/73855-another-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/ you can find an alternate pilots notes that are still maintained by its original author, so probably have them all bundled in its first post.

 

Thanks, Charlo.

 

I will use the route you suggest (although I think it's only for WW2 aircraft, right?).

[Charlo-VR]

1 hour ago, Russkly said:

 

Thanks, Charlo.

 

I will use the route you suggest (although I think it's only for WW2 aircraft, right?).

 

Yeah, I think only WW2 aircraft. Between Storebror's original post in this thread and searching on my posts, you can have pilot's notes for all Great War aircraft except the Shuckert D.IV. I'm still watching the forums for the necessary data to create pilot's notes for it.

[GOA_Walter_Nowotny]

On 4/28/2023 at 6:40 AM, Charlo-VR said:

 

Yeah, I think only WW2 aircraft. Between Storebror's original post in this thread and searching on my posts, you can have pilot's notes for all Great War aircraft except the Shuckert D.IV. I'm still watching the forums for the necessary data to create pilot's notes for it.

Thanks Charlo, updated all PN and added the G6/AS too !

[WWDarkdiz]

I read a post SOMEWHERE (Facebook???) that the RPM above 2000 would damage the engine, so I'm guessing 1800 to be safe? I haven't tried it yet (real life in the way rn) but hopefully will get to it

[WWDarkdiz]

So upon further review, the RPM guage in the cockpit indicates 1700 RPM as the red line, so I think we should go with that. Like the DR1, it has mixture and blip, probably pretty close on the Turn/Roll/BNZ scale. Spin recovery will be the same for DR1 as well IMHO, since it is a radial engine.

Thoughts?

[Charlo-VR]

1 hour ago, WWDarkdiz said:

So upon further review, the RPM guage in the cockpit indicates 1700 RPM as the red line, so I think we should go with that. Like the DR1, it has mixture and blip, probably pretty close on the Turn/Roll/BNZ scale. Spin recovery will be the same for DR1 as well IMHO, since it is a radial engine.

Thoughts?

I really appreciate all you wrote! I’m away from my gaming rig until next week, but when I get back I plan to create the pilots notes for the Shuckert D.IV that reflect what you wrote ?

[Charlo-VR]

I'm back in the virtual cockpit after after a week of scuba diving followed by an intense week of work.

 

Based on what @WWDarkdiz graciously posted, in the pilot's notes for the Schuckert DIV, I'll state the Max RPM is 1700. I'll also state the engine controls include Mixture and Blip.

 

Based on the above posts it also looks like the DIV's Turn/Roll/BnZ ratings compared to the other Great War aircraft available to us are like the Fokker DRI, which are:  9/10/5 (out of 10 being the best for each).

 

I would also like some guidance on the following stats, if anyone has them:
 

What is the max dive speed (in kph)?

What is the max corner speed (in kph)?

What is the max level speed (in kph)?

Is the spin recovery fairly automatic, as it is for the Fokker DR.I?

(I can create pilot's notes that do not include all of the above, but thought I would ask the community so I could include them on what I create for myself and share in this thread.) ?

Edited May 19, 2023 by Charlo-VR

[TAIPAN_]

23 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

I'm back in the virtual cockpit after after a week of scuba diving followed by an intense week of work.

 

Based on what @WWDarkdiz graciously posted, in the pilot's notes for the Schuckert DIV, I'll state the Max RPM is 1700. I'll also state the engine controls include Mixture and Blip.

 

Based on the above posts it also looks like the DIV's Turn/Roll/BnZ ratings compared to the other Great War aircraft available to us are like the Fokker DRI, which are:  8/6/7 (out of 10 being the best for each).

 

I would also like some guidance on the following stats, if anyone has them:
 

What is the max dive speed (in kph)?

What is the max corner speed (in kph)?

What is the max level speed (in kph)?

Is the spin recovery fairly automatic, as it is for the Fokker DR.I?

(I can create pilot's notes that do not include all of the above, but thought I would ask the community so I could include them on what I create for myself and share in this thread.) ?

 

Hi Charlo,

 

Max level speed is at sea level 192 km/h

 

I've only got this from the stats from the game, for the other info I'm not sure as I haven't had a chance to fly it yet.

 

[Charlo-VR]

Here's a link to my pilots notes for the Schuckert DIV:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcn0a89h1mmknu1/custom_photo.dds?dl=0

 

Download and save into \IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles\data\graphics\Planes\SSchuckertDIV\Textures\

 

Data is from @WWDarkdiz and @TAIPAN_ in their posts above and confirmed by my own use in a few quick flights, as well as a long, time-accelerated flight at 1,700 RPM.

 

Be sure to check out the erudite analysis from @J5_Hotleadand @ZachariasX  in

 

I didn't include in my pilot's notes the max dive speed and max corner speed since I personally don't ever glance at the airspeed indicator when I'm in a fight, and I don't feel like figuring out those stats.

 

Since most of these specifications aren't provided by the devs and the Schuckert DIV was never released for Rise of Flight, I can be talked into corrections and additions if there is consensus posted here. Seems like a pretty dominant bird to me! ?

 

[1Sascha]

Is there an updated "all in one package" of all the available notes somewhere? I use the original set which I thought had the best look and also is available in German for extra immersive-ness, but I guess that set hasn't been updated to include the newer add-on planes? The set I use must be pre-BoN, since it doesn't contain the 109 G-6 Late, for example.

 

I'm currently trying to piece together these pics from different sources, but it's a bit of a pain having to scan through every post, looking for download links. A new thread with all available files up in the very first post - and also one zip-file containing every note released - would make things a lot easier.

 

S.

 

 

[Patricks]

1 hour ago, 1Sascha said:

Is there an updated "all in one package" of all the available notes somewhere? I use the original set which I thought had the best look and also is available in German for extra immersive-ness, but I guess that set hasn't been updated to include the newer add-on planes? The set I use must be pre-BoN, since it doesn't contain the 109 G-6 Late, for example.

 

I'm currently trying to piece together these pics from different sources, but it's a bit of a pain having to scan through every post, looking for download links. A new thread with all available files up in the very first post - and also one zip-file containing every note released - would make things a lot easier.

 

S.

 

 

 

I'll add an up to date All-in One zip including all the WWI planes would be fantastic also!

[Charlo-VR]

The OP no longer checks this thread and hasn't for probably a couple of years. Thus, an updated collection on the first page probably won't happen. 

 

Hopefully someone who has all of the pilots notes can post them as a .zip file.

 

At https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/73855-another-pilots-notes-for-cockpit-photos/ you can find an alternate pilots notes that are still maintained by its original author, so probably have them all bundled in its first post.

[1Sascha]

8 hours ago, Charlo-VR said:

Hopefully someone who has all of the pilots notes can post them as a .zip file.

Thanks for the info.

 

I *think* I need to do a bit more digging to complete my German set (I own all LW planes except the Arado). Once I have them all, I might zip them up and post a link. But it won't be a "unified" set, since the newer ones I found look a bit different and are only available in English. But it's still better than having Brünhild smiling at me from my dashboard..

 

S.

[Charlo-VR]

Yeah, ich kann nur ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen, so my versions are only in English, since I’m American and thus language impaired ?

[HeerRitter]

Can someone tell me why the allied planes cockpit notes are being shown in Km/h and not Mph? even the files marked as metric for GB and US allied planes, it's confusing me somewhat because i have to keep trying to convert it in my head, i would of thought it'd show mph for allied and kph for axis

Edited July 18, 2023 by HeerRitter

[Charlo-VR]

Hi @HeerRitter, the OP included in his original post a link to the "PNCP Base Version", which for me displays American and GB plane speeds in mph.

 

Perhaps you have a mix of the OPs originals installed - as an American I am also metrically-challenged and use the cockpit photos that correspond to whatever unit of measure is built into the cockpit dials, so for me all of the cockpit photos have mph or kph, as is appropriate for the plane.

 

I only list in mph on the cockpit photos I created and posted here my additions of American and GB birds released since the OP stopped updating this mod: the MosquitoFBMkVIs2, SpitfireMkXIVe, HurricaneMkII, Spitfire MkXIV, TyphoonMkIb, and P51B5.

[Charlo-VR]

Here's a link to my pilots notes for the Nieuport 11:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8g9u5kg8d0t7l7sn09q8n/custom_photo.dds?rlkey=wc9cjxxpll2bg2wxuortqn1f5&dl=0

 

Download and save into \IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles\data\graphics\Planes\Nieuport11\Textures\

 

The data and ratings are from the old Rise of Flight manual, and the ratings probably still apply for the Flying Circus planes relative to each other.

 

Halberstadt D.II

I'm going to need some experts' help on the pilots notes for the Halberstadt D.II. The engine specifications in the game are as spare as for the other WWI aircraft, which is why for the Flying Circus aircraft I've been using the engine specifications pulled from the table in the old ROF manual.

But since the Halberstadt D.II was never in ROF I don't have any specifications to draw from.

So, for me to create pilots notes for the Halberstadt D.II I'll need it's equivalent data like you can see in what we currently have for the Fokker DVIII, which I share here as an example:

For the Halberstadt D.II I can see in the game specifications that the max level speed at sea level is 145 kph. After a few quick flights it appears to me that the only engine control available is throttle, with no controls over mixture or the radiator (and of course, no blip since it's an inline engine). Did this plane have automatic mixture and radiator controls? Or, does our in-game version simply have automatic mixture and radiator controls, with no way for us to control them?

I also need someone to provide the other Halberstadt D.II numbers and spin recovery like we have for the Fokker DVIII in the example above. Once I have that I can create pilots notes for the Halberstadt D.II that look similar to the above for the Fokker DVIII.

 

The most important to me is the max. rpm before damaging the engine. All other numbers are useful but not necessary, but I'm happy to include them if you WWI bird experts post here the stats you think are accurate.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Charlo-VR