Microsoft Flight Sim 2020

[dbzero]

2 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

This is issues known and why boing/airbus pilots from x plane go bananas about this sim. I have encountered several g 1000 bugs related to autopilot. We just have to wait for a fix. 

At this point there is no debate FS2020 leaves many things to be desired. I do believe that things will be fixed, especially given the fact that the indications are the user base is high. Others more enlightened than me have commented that Microsoft/Devs focused on graphics first. The rest will be fixed eventually-either by MS or third party developers. 

 

I agree with this. For better or worse eye candy counts. Ask yourself this:

 

If FS2020 was released with so so graphics, but more realistic things like GPS or autopilot , what would it be? Sounds like a knock off of Xplane11 to me. Whats the advantage in that? IMO not much if anything. Do you think the non traditional flight sim crowd would have been attracted to take a look?

 

As it stands MS2020 was released with ground breaking graphics and other stuff like auto pilot and GPS that will get fixed...checkmate. Right design decision IMO, especially given the fact the user base has been very high and people who would have never touch flight sims are now doing so.

 

Be patient. Things will get fixed. With the high interest and high user base there is $$$ to be made and that in and of itself will generate solutions.

 

[Lusekofte]

8 hours ago, dbzero said:

Be patient.

I am one of those totally in for the eye candy. 
I have no problem with a game running this smooth and looks this good. 
Besides flown DCS for years give a thick skin and blindness for minor stuff. 
I take it for granted this will be fixed. It might be a lot of things. 

[Lusekofte]

11 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Yup. Seen lots of other reports, saying much the same thing.

 

There is apparently a better KitFox coming out at some point from another developer, and it would probably be wise to say who this abomination comes from in the YouTube notes.

I hope we can make a list on packs not worth buying. 
I do like to add scenery along my way around the world. But money adds up quickly enough just buying the good ones. 
I got a bit confused coming to northern Wales about this. So I parked there until I decided

[CanadaOne]

22 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I hope we can make a list on packs not worth buying. 
I do like to add scenery along my way around the world. But money adds up quickly enough just buying the good ones. 
I got a bit confused coming to northern Wales about this. So I parked there until I decided

 

I'm still having hard time wondering what scenery I would buy simply because the game looks so good already. With FSX, a payware airport or region was a welcome change in the crappy scenery. Now, there are so may fantastic looking places to go, I don't feel the need to have one special airport here or there. At least not for $20 or $30 a pop.

 

Did an 8GB cache of scenery around downtown Seatle and Seatle Int. and over to Mt. Rainier. At high to ultra settings it ran really nicely and looked fantastic. I considered the ORBX Tacoma Narrows airport for about $25, it's right there in the middle of all that, and it does look nice, but with all the rest looking great and already paid for, I don't see the need to spend the money.

 

That said, there are a few airports and small airstrips around Montreal I would pay to have improved, simply because that's my neighbourhood.

[Lusekofte]

4 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I'm still having hard time wondering what scenery I would buy simply because the game looks so good already.

I find the very repeated bumps / Sonora hilltops this Bing auto 3d renderer does to in special mountain areas very annoying. 
Norway is only mountains so it quite often get a bit awkward feeling. Also some of the lakes formed as a mountain. 
Norway alone need quite a bit work. I hope I learn the trade, I will maybe learn how to, and do something myself. Fortunately it is few elevated lakes in areas I been walking in. 

[DD_Arthur]

Yeah, it can have trouble with large elevations, especially involving water. Where I live is rolling green hills and uplands and it seems to handle these really well.

[Ace_Pilto]

The best thing is you won't need to buy a lot of scenery unless you have a hard on for a particular airport. most landmarks are already coming out as free mods. This is why I never bothered with X-plane or P3D since they expect you to pay a massive premium price and then another $500 on addons to make it worthwhile. This is worthwhile out of the box on day one, I can only imagine how much better it will get over the coming years.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I find the very repeated bumps / Sonora hilltops this Bing auto 3d renderer does to in special mountain areas very annoying. 
Norway is only mountains so it quite often get a bit awkward feeling. Also some of the lakes formed as a mountain. 
Norway alone need quite a bit work. I hope I learn the trade, I will maybe learn how to, and do something myself. Fortunately it is few elevated lakes in areas I been walking in. 

 

Yeah, it's not perfect, but it's pretty freaking good. I'm willing to overlook a fair bit because so much of it is so good. And I have no doubt it's going to get seriously better.

 

BoN is $115Cdn. The F-14 alone in DCS is also over $100Cdn.  But the standard edition of FS2020 cost me $80 and I get a mega-chit ton of best ever scenery and some pretty decent planes. 

 

I think FS2020 honestly falls into the "we're lucky to have it" category of sims/games.

[unlikely_spider]

I know that Alpilotx famously provides high res mesh for X-plane for almost the entire planet. Is such mesh mod possible for FS2020? If so, I'm sure the community will be on it.

There are already small landscape fixes that people have done to areas such as Alaska and Iceland. Though these seem to be hand-fixed, specific points, as opposed to a mesh applied to an entire region.

[Lusekofte]

50 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I think FS2020 honestly falls into the "we're lucky to have it" category of sims/games

I agree totally. I am literarily in the sky's , over the top on this one. Anything els feel like bollox to me. 

[ZachariasX]

34 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

I know that Alpilotx famously provides high res mesh for X-plane for almost the entire planet.

I used the FSGlobal Ultiamate for P3D, beacuse a good terrain mesh matter to me. Downside is that it screws so many airports, setting them intrenches or plateaus. Correcting them is awful too, as most terrain is sloped and your airposts are level flat.

 

There are still some errors in the terrain of FS2020, but this is far beyond anything we had so far. P3D clearly have a marekt in the professional sector and with going DX12, they truly have a unique proposition ATM for VR, merging both functionaltiy that has grown over years with this new tech. As for the rest... Aerosoft has a fast renderer, bur as far as I see not the functionality. As for XP, I don't see a 20% performance increase by going Vulcan not enough for making it a choice for VR, given the alternative. There are so many sales of FS2020, you'd be an idiot not developing for this platform first, a further knive in the back of other platforms.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

Anyone notice since FS 2020 came out flight sim hardware has doubled even tripled in price? 

Edited September 14, 2020 by NO.20_W_M_Thomson

[dbzero]

I spend over $100 to buy P3D-mainly for the change in the code that went to 64 bit processing that would eliminate the issues with FSX. I then spent a small fortune on the ORBX upgrades to North America, South America and Europe as well as the specialized packages for Northern and Southern California, Australia, NZ,  and a bunch of others.

 

I then bought XPlane11 and downloaded the mesh terrains and freeware add-ons for cities.

 

All of the above are now gone from my SSD drives-be nice if I could recoup some of the cost...

 

I don't see myself going back. FS2020 is what I'm sticking with. For some though XPlane or P3D is still the better choice, until MS/Asobo fixes some things-which I'm sure they will, or some other 3 party does with a add-on.

 

As for what add-ons I would buy for FS2020? I guess the first thing is to see where MS2020 is headed in terms of fixes. I'm not clear what the exact direction for the realtime weather is. Is that something that MS will fix or leave up to a 3rd Party? I bought the realtime/realistic weather add-on for P3D. The current weather in fs2020 is very good so hopefully the fix to realtime weather will be in an update.

 

The current terrain in FS2020 is pretty fantastic for areas I'm familiar with. Not perfect by any means though. I doubt I would pay the ORBX price I paid in the past for a Northern or SoCal package I did when I had P2D though.

 

I'd like to see:

 

1. Realtime weather fixed

2. Water fixed-from what I've seen of the seaplane landing on water and especially rough water is broken

3. Instruments fully implemented- may be relegated to 3rd parties, but we'll see

4. More missions and activities

 

Helicopters and things like gliders and ultra-lights I suspect will be left for 3rd party devs.

 

What will be interesting to watch is how Lockheed Martin/P3D and Xplane react to FS2020 highly successful launch. MS has thrown down the gauntlet. Once the flight instrumentation gets fully implemented and any abnormality in flight models get ironed out FS2020 becomes a serious contender across the board.

 

 

29 minutes ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

Anyone notice since FS202 came out flight sim hardware has doubled even tripled in price? 

Great... I have a T1600M setup with rudders, but was looking into some other stuff for FS2020.

 

Time to jump on Amazon.

29 minutes ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

Anyone notice since FS202 came out flight sim hardware has doubled even tripled in price? 

Ugg...you're not joking. I just jumped onto Amazon...$500 f...ing dollars for a Logitech G Pro Flight system? Who do they think they are? NVDIA?

 

The T1600M system I bought for about $150 is now $390 and the Logitech Extreme 3D I no longer use is $79-you could have gotten that for a lot less before FS2020.

Edited September 13, 2020 by dbzero

[DD_Arthur]

How many copies of this have MS sold already? Is it around a million?  I suspect that means the take up of this sim has gone far beyond the flight sim community and people are tooling up for it!?

[dbzero]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

How many copies of this have MS sold already? Is it around a million?  I suspect that means the take up of this sim has gone far beyond the flight sim community and people are tooling up for it!?

I can't find any exact figures but found this:

 

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/24/21398774/flight-stick-controllers-sold-out-microsoft-simulator

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3572290/microsoft-flight-simulator-will-spur-billions-in-pc-hardware-sales.html

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/gaming/microsoft-flight-simulator-1-million-pilots-so-far-flying-1-billion-miles/ar-BB18FWmE

 

One of the articles predicts that 2.27 million copies are expected to be sold. That's a very high figure for a flight sim.

 

Even though I have a full T1600M setup, I'm eying getting a Logitech Setup or something that mimics civilian controls more closely. I'm able to run at ultra with some lower setting and maintain a good frame rate most of the time, I'm also pricing out systems with a newer processor than my I6700K and the newer NVDIA 3000 series GPU that should be faster than my current RTX 2080. I currently have 32 gigs of RAM, but may go 64megs on newer system.

 

I just looked at a Thrustmaster A-10 Warthog setup being sold for over $1000 on Amazon. LMFAO

 

The Logitech 3D Pro that was $79 just a few hours ago is now $85

 

Tflights are now at $155 and that was $138 just a few minutes ago. I think those were the entry level setup and could be had for $49 or less on sale before all this craziness took hold.

 

People are bidding up the prices on EBAY too. I see a used Thrustmaster setup that has 8 bids so far at $670. Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog & TPR listed at $2000 with starting bid of $1500.

 

How about this:

Thrustmaster Warthog Empty Box being offered for $10...

 

Thanks to Flightsim 2020 our hobby has become much more expensive.

Edited September 13, 2020 by dbzero

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

1 hour ago, dbzero said:

Thrustmaster Warthog Empty Box being offered for $10...

Are you joking or is this for real?

[Lusekofte]

6 hours ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

Anyone notice since FS202 came out flight sim hardware has doubled even tripled in price? 

Honeycomb throttles being prebought for black marked prices later on. My Honeycomb yoke was first at 290$ then 200$ and now 340$   
people should not buy expencive , better to wait

[dbzero]

6 minutes ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

Are you joking or is this for real?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog-EMPTY-BOX-ONLY/401974296790?hash=item5d978900d6:g:3IcAAOSw14Zd3cNm

 

$57 for shipping...

7 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Honeycomb throttles being prebought for black marked prices later on. My Honeycomb yoke was first at 290$ then 200$ and now 340$   
people should not buy expencive , better to wait

How do you like it? Better than the Logitech G Pro?

 

BTW: I'm now seeing it listed for $499+ on Amazon. Ebay is similar for new and used there is bidding at $355.

 

I'm going to stick with my T1600M for now.

[AndyJWest]

1 hour ago, dbzero said:

...

Thanks to Flightsim 2020 our hobby has become much more expensive.

 

For the moment. In the long run, higher demand may encourage new products, which would probably be a good thing.

[Lusekofte]

Decided to leave Scorland and take the trip to Ireland  flyiver at Bangor east of Belfast and finally landing on Belfast

world tour go slow but steady

[dbzero]

2 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

For the moment. In the long run, higher demand may encourage new products, which would probably be a good thing.

Lets hope so. I've seen a shortage of computer stuff at my local stores since the trade dispute with China. They were moving the supply chain to other places, but that takes time and then COVID hit.

 

It may be some time before all this gets sorted out. I wouldn't be surprised if 2021 sees a shortage of stuff like joysticks and controllers.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

21 minutes ago, dbzero said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog-EMPTY-BOX-ONLY/401974296790?hash=item5d978900d6:g:3IcAAOSw14Zd3cNm

Guess that's for someone who has the hotas and wants too sell and say still in it's box so then they can double the price.

Good time to have a flight sim control manufacturing business I guess. Wait until MS comes out with a flight combat sim, I'm hoping that 2020 will bring in red bull racing. With VR that'll be a killer sim. World championships on the net. 

[Feathered_IV]

1 hour ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

Wait until MS comes out with a flight combat sim

I really hope they do.  Their tech would lend itself very well to a Pacific CFS.  The Pacific islands haven’t changed so much in the last 75 years and they could conceivably backdate their landscape textures to suit.  A CFS2 sequel would be so good. 

[CanadaOne]

5 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

I really hope they do.  Their tech would lend itself very well to a Pacific CFS.  The Pacific islands haven’t changed so much in the last 75 years and they could conceivably backdate their landscape textures to suit.  A CFS2 sequel would be so good. 

 

Yep.

 

I just want my DCS Harrier ported over. 

 

Lotsa scenery coming out, but I want to see some planes! A P-51 or a Spitfire would be perfect.

[Lusekofte]

8 hours ago, dbzero said:

How do you like it? Better than the Logitech G Pro?

You need to buy Yoko yoke for 1000€ to get better than Honeycomb. It is truly a gem.  
Do not buy logitech. Wait out and get a Honeycomb. It is a world of difference. In special concerning Smoothness and Accuracy

[Lusekofte]

If any tested this mod on the 152 I be very interested. It contain improvements on fuel and electrical systems and much more
https://github.com/DRF30q/C152X?fbclid=IwAR0xNHdSzORZbaNeSnd0wfw86ccqNxQH-cSB14eqelQzfmbYoIRH_X0KsVY

[Feathered_IV]

You guys are making it very hard for me!  I'm seriously tempted but my ancient Intel i5-2500K cpu might combust halfway through the installation.  My graphics card and ram is fine, but perhaps I should save my pennies and wait?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Feathered_IV said:

You guys are making it very hard for me!  I'm seriously tempted but my ancient Intel i5-2500K cpu might combust halfway through the installation.  My graphics card and ram is fine, but perhaps I should save my pennies and wait?

It is people flying with i3. I would try. It run smooth with low fps too

nothing compare to this. If tou cannot use it. I will refund your money

you can test it with this console ticket for 1$

On the top is a picture I took in a real Cessna 172 on final to my small hometown airport. On the bottom is the same approach on Flight Simulator 2020. I'm very impressed by the level of detail even in my small town that's not one of the towns they gave special attention to with photorealistic scenery. The white buildings in front of the runway are newly constructed so they must not have been on Bing yet.

Edited September 14, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[DD_Arthur]

2 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

You guys are making it very hard for me!  I'm seriously tempted but my ancient Intel i5-2500K cpu might combust halfway through the installation.  My graphics card and ram is fine, but perhaps I should save my pennies and wait?

 

You won't have any probs running it with that cpu Feathered.  I'm running a i7 3930k which is equally ancient - but it is running at 4.6Ghz!

[SAS_Storebror]

Guys this is not IL-2.

He will definitely have trouble with his i5-2500k.

I can say so as I've owned the same CPU before I switched to my i5-9600k.

In IL-2, the i7-3930k and the i5-2500k are comparable to some extent because IL-2 is mostly limited to single thread raw CPU power.

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 however makes great use of Multi-Core CPUs and in that regard, the i7-3930k is about 80% more powerful than an i5-2500k is.

Take a look at the official hardware requirements:

i5-4660 + GTX 770

The i5-4660 is about 25% faster in Multi-Core than an i5-2500k.

Recommend is i5-8400 + GTX 970

i5-8400 is about 80% faster in Multi-Core than an i5-2500k, it's slightly faster than the i7-3930k.

 

Yes you can play Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 on an i5-2500k, but be prepared that you will be largely CPU limited and you will not be able to play the game stutter-free at high settings.

FS 2020 works great on older hardware, but not necessarily on ancient one.

 

Mike

[AndyJWest]

Like LuseKofte, says, Feathered_IV can try it out via the game pass. Performance isn't going to be great, but people have different standards as to what they find acceptable, and finding out cost next to nothing (apart from bandwidth, but that is another issue).

 

I once managed to get IL-2 46 running on an Intel Atom powered netbook. It was marginal, but it worked, and it was the only option I had at the time.

[DD_Arthur]

Oh dear,  my mistake Feathered. You appear to be knackered but I feel a lot better about my bit of ancient hardware!?

[Lusekofte]

Should be part of human right regulation being able to fly it?

Edited September 14, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Tektolnes]

18 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

world tour go slow but steady

 

Well it's not going to go fast in a Cessna 152...

[Lusekofte]

13 minutes ago, Tektolnes said:

 

Well it's not going to go fast in a Cessna 152...

Over land I have no hurry

[SAS_Storebror]

Did any of you guys fly the Beechcraft Bonanza G36 yet?

It's a flying pig to me, fighting any control input and seemingly impossible to trim - the trim feels like it always walks across the whole scale, from one extreme to another.

No such issues with any other plane, just the G36 so far for me.

In contrast, the Robin D400 is flying like on rails.

 

Mike

[Lusekofte]

19 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Did any of you guys fly the Beechcraft Bonanza G36 yet?

It's a flying pig to me, fighting any control input and seemingly impossible to trim - the trim feels like it always walks across the whole scale, from one extreme to another.

No such issues with any other plane, just the G36 so far for me.

In contrast, the Robin D400 is flying like on rails.

 

Mike

Yes well it feels very responsive. I do not like it. But when wind is part of it I do not like the cessna either. There is still a lot to desire with the fm and wether 

[Ace_Pilto]

1 hour ago, SAS_Storebror said:

Did any of you guys fly the Beechcraft Bonanza G36 yet?

It's a flying pig to me, fighting any control input and seemingly impossible to trim - the trim feels like it always walks across the whole scale, from one extreme to another.

No such issues with any other plane, just the G36 so far for me.

In contrast, the Robin D400 is flying like on rails.

 

Mike

 

Yeah the Bonanza is modelled incorrectly, It's underpowered and very draggy. There are already a few mods that "fix" this by adding back the 2 missing cylinders from the engine and attempting to address the drag issues. The one I'm using seems to work well enough. The nose likes to sit 2.5 degrees above the horizon btw so if you're trying to trim it nose level off of the PFD then it will never sit nicely.

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks all for the hardware advice.  Looks like a new cpu will be in order.  I guess that probably means a new mobo and ram too...  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Keep it warm for me and hopefully I'll join you in the new year!

[Lusekofte]

You are most welcome. 
Bright side of this, you will probably not see as many unfinished things , and bugs, awkward flight characteristics. Hopefully