So who is getting the new 3000 Ryzen series?

[Jaws2002]

Looks like the supplier where my local computer store ordered my 3950x "messed up the order" and my CPU didn't ship....?

 

I bet some a$$hole pulled it from the shipment and sold it on ebay.

  I guess I should have bought one on Newegg Canada, or Amazon Canada on Monday, when I saw them in stock.

I wanted to help the local store and looks like I got the shaft.

 This chips are sold out everywhere and I doubt they'll show up again this year.

 

Edited December 2, 2019 by Jaws2002

[CanadaOne]

I'm still looking at the Ryzen CPUs on Amazon Canada, seeing what the prices do. The 3800X ranges from $485 to $555 within hours. The 3600X jumps back and forth from $309 to $329 and $339 also within hours. The 3600 was at $259 this morning and is at $279 now.

 

On the other hand, Intel CPUs seem to get more expensive. There were zero sales for Intel on Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Actually the prices went up a few bucks on Cyber Monday.

 

An old four-core i5-6500 sells at $385. That's $50 more than a 3600X. Very weird.

[SCG_ErwinP]

@CanadaOne 3600 is the deal!

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

An old four-core i5-6500 sells at $385. That's $50 more than a 3600X. Very weird.

 

I really wouldn't draw any conclusions from prices of discontinued products. They're gouging because they know you're not supposed to buy them unless you need that specific CPU for some reason. A i5-9600K would be cheaper and faster in literally every way.

 

If I were to buy a new CPU for gaming in Canada right now, I would get either the 9600KF for 270.64 or the 3600 for 259.99.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, SCG_ErwinP said:

@CanadaOne 3600 is the deal!

 

I'm thinking about it. But I just bought a video card and I'm counting my pennies now, unless there is a super sale I'll pass. Still fun to look though.

 

I should have bought the 3600X at $239 on Black Friday. That was a helluva price. Maybe after Christmas there will be another good sale. 

 

(I'm outta post upvotes for the day)

27 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

 

I really wouldn't draw any conclusions from prices of discontinued products. They're gouging because they know you're not supposed to buy them unless you need that specific CPU for some reason. A i5-9600K would be cheaper and faster in literally every way.

 

If I were to buy a new CPU for gaming in Canada right now, I would get either the 9600KF for 270.64 or the 3600 for 259.99.

 

Yeah, you're right. It just seems like they would want the money in their pocket from old CPUs by selling them at a reasonable price instead of having boxes of the things taking up shelf space and getting dusty, waiting for shloobs dumb enough to buy them.

[SCG_ErwinP]

1 hour ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

 

I really wouldn't draw any conclusions from prices of discontinued products. They're gouging because they know you're not supposed to buy them unless you need that specific CPU for some reason. A i5-9600K would be cheaper and faster in literally every way.

 

If I were to buy a new CPU for gaming in Canada right now, I would get either the 9600KF for 270.64 or the 3600 for 259.99.

I prefer AMD AM4 socket 'cause of "future proof".

BTW, yes, 9600K is a great CPU.

 

45 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I'm thinking about it. But I just bought a video card and I'm counting my pennies now, unless there is a super sale I'll pass. Still fun to look though.

Almost the same...

[w00dy]

I would carry on looking for a 3600X, it's the best CPU in that range and it also has an up grade path. Just keep saving and also get 16GB of ram when you can, with speed between 3200mhz and 3600mhz and you will be all set ?

[Jaws2002]

2 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

I'm still looking at the Ryzen CPUs on Amazon Canada, seeing what the prices do. The 3800X ranges from $485 to $555 within hours. The 3600X jumps back and forth from $309 to $329 and $339 also within hours. The 3600 was at $259 this morning and is at $279 now.

 

On the other hand, Intel CPUs seem to get more expensive. There were zero sales for Intel on Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Actually the prices went up a few bucks on Cyber Monday.

 

An old four-core i5-6500 sells at $385. That's $50 more than a 3600X. Very weird.

Hey CanadaOne did you check the prices at Canada Computers? They always had good prices. I built four pcs with parts from them, and i'm not counting mid term upgrades and parts. They used to beat everyone in prices.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/welcome.php?referer=/&referer_type=SSL&sid=ii9nt5esv85qmv8av1mg0fs9v3

 

 

Edited December 7, 2019 by Jaws2002

[SCG_ErwinP]

40 minutes ago, w00dy said:

I would carry on looking for a 3600X, it's the best CPU in that range and it also has an up grade path. Just keep saving and also get 16GB of ram when you can, with speed between 3200mhz and 3600mhz and you will be all set ?

IMO it's almost impossible to feel difference between 2 or 3 frames from 3600 to 3600x.

He should save the $ for better RAM as you told!
One more time, 3200 is the deal, but 3466 or 3600 would be great.

From Canada Computer:

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

 

Ryzen 3600 instead 3600x = -$80,00.

16GB @3200Mhz = $89,99.

ADD:

 

G.Skill RAM has lifetime warranty.

Edited December 7, 2019 by SCG_ErwinP

[CanadaOne]

20 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Hey CanadaOne did you check the prices at Canada Computers? They always had good prices. I built four pcs with parts from them, and i'm not counting mid term upgrades and parts. They used to beat everyone in prices.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/welcome.php?referer=/&referer_type=SSL&sid=ii9nt5esv85qmv8av1mg0fs9v3

 

 

 

I'll look at that, thank you.

 

The thing is, I load up my Amazon wallet over time, a few bucks here and a few bucks there, and then all of a sudden I've got credit for whatever I might want to buy without having to dip into what I have on hand in the real world. So I tend to be stuck with Amazon, but I'm always happy with the service even though the pricing can be weird sometimes. But if there is a crazy sale on something, I can click "buy" right away and it's done.

 

[SCG_ErwinP]

Amazon Canada:

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

https://www.techspot.com/article/1880-ryzen-3600x-vs-3600/

[Gomoto]

I like the stock cooler of the 3600x over the 3600. I do not want a third party cooler. I went all air and a good case this time and am very satisfied with the results.

[40plus]

Just installed the 3800x....... ho ho ho-ly crap!!!!

 

Anyone want to buy a lightly used 1700x ?

[PA_Keko_]

I have install the 3700x and Is amaizing!!!

[CanadaOne]

4 hours ago, Forajido said:

I have install the 3700x and Is amaizing!!!

 

 

I'm looking forward to that kind of performance one day.

 

I have always owned mid-level rigs, I want to own a really good rig at least once. A 3700X fits the bill in my book.

[PA_Keko_]

3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

 

I'm looking forward to that kind of performance one day.

 

I have always owned mid-level rigs, I want to own a really good rig at least once. A 3700X fits the bill in my book.

Before I own a I5 4460, and now with the 3700x is another world! If you can do it, you will be really happy and you will enjoy more the sim!!! Also I can see my GTX 1060 6gb love this Ryzen 3700x

Cheers!!! 

[SCG_ErwinP]

On 12/8/2019 at 3:58 PM, Forajido said:

Before I own a I5 4460, and now with the 3700x is another world! If you can do it, you will be really happy and you will enjoy more the sim!!! Also I can see my GTX 1060 6gb love this Ryzen 3700x

Cheers!!! 

GTX 1060 is a entry level paired with 3700x, beeing the bottlenecker.

The new RTX series or RX 5700 series (16GB+ RAM) will delievery much more power.

I know that money is limited and a limiting... It's just a idea.

[PA_Keko_]

On 12/10/2019 at 5:08 AM, SCG_ErwinP said:

GTX 1060 is a entry level paired with 3700x, beeing the bottlenecker.

The new RTX series or RX 5700 series (16GB+ RAM) will delievery much more power.

I know that money is limited and a limiting... It's just a idea.

@SCG_ErwinP yes I was looking for the RTX 2060 or 2070 but is this the problem, money  maybe in half a year I will do it!   

 

Cheers!!!

[w00dy]

3 hours ago, Forajido said:

@SCG_ErwinP yes I was looking for the RTX 2060 or 2070 but is this the problem, money  maybe in half a year I will do it!   

 

The 3000 series could be out or won't be to far away, so maybe able to get one of those or the 2000 series may drop in price.

[CanadaOne]

The 2600X was $150 two-weeks ago. Peanuts for a 6 core/12 thread CPU.

 

One of the MBs that handles 2nd and 3rd Gen Ryzens with that CPU would be good, and then pop in a nice 3rd gen when money is good. Might be the route I take.

 

I did that with my last CPU build. Bought the cheapest dual-core Intel 1151 CPU, used it for a few months, and when the cash was available, threw in an i5. Been looking for a 6700K to put in,  but the prices on those things are beyond stupid. You can get a 3700X for less.

[Jaws2002]

3 hours ago, w00dy said:

 

The 3000 series could be out or won't be to far away, so maybe able to get one of those or the 2000 series may drop in price.

 

The RTX 3000 series is expected to drop in June. I'll definitely wait for it, or the next AMD card, if it's close in Performance. At that point the price for 2000 sereies will drop from the stupid levels they are today.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Jaws2002

[w00dy]

22 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

The 2600X was $150 two-weeks ago. Peanuts for a 6 core/12 thread CPU.

 

One of the MBs that handles 2nd and 3rd Gen Ryzens with that CPU would be good, and then pop in a nice 3rd gen when money is good. Might be the route I take.

 

I did that with my last CPU build. Bought the cheapest dual-core Intel 1151 CPU, used it for a few months, and when the cash was available, threw in an i5. Been looking for a 6700K to put in,  but the prices on those things are beyond stupid. You can get a 3700X for less.

 

I know what you mean, I saw a 2700X for £200 and thought thats not bad for a 8 core CPU.

 

I sold a 6700K a few months ago, it only took 2 hours to sell and I got £140 for it no problem.

[CanadaOne]

22 minutes ago, w00dy said:

 

I know what you mean, I saw a 2700X for £200 and thought thats not bad for a 8 core CPU.

 

I sold a 6700K a few months ago, it only took 2 hours to sell and I got £140 for it no problem.

 

Nice sell on the 6700K.

 

Just checked Amazon Canada, a 6700K is $480. A 3700X is $420. That is so nuts.

[w00dy]

14 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Just checked Amazon Canada, a 6700K is $480. A 3700X is $420. That is so nuts.

 

Totally nuts!

 

Just looked on Amazon UK 2700X £158!!! it's cheaper than the 3600 at £172 ?

[CanadaOne]

They're the same price here for the moment.

 

The 3600 jumps between $259 and $329 and back in the same day.

[skline00]

Just got a 3900x to replace my 2700x. I also used a new Optimus WB and custom water cooled it with a 360 mm + 240mm radiators.

 

Also just updated the MB to the MSI X570 Unify and threw in a Sabrent Rocket Nvme 4 1TB ssd for the boot drive.

 

Very fast!

Edited January 12, 2020 by skline00

[Sgt_Joch]

I picked up a Ryzen 3700x + ASUS crosshair VIII hero mb during the Black Friday sale. Now that the Xmas holidays are here, doing some serious tweaking, updated to the latest 1201 bios.

 

Anyone figured out the best bios settings for il-2? I tried PBO, but it does not seem to do much.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Sgt_Joch

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Sgt_Joch. I disabled PBO, the CPU is more than capable of handling IL-2. I also disabled every single peripheral not in use, like onboard soundcard, second ethernet etc. For memory is use the DCOP profile and coupled Infinity Fabric speed, in my case 3733 MHz RAM and 1867,5. Command rate is 1T.

 

Rest is pretty much on Auto or Default. Fast Boot is off. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by LLv34_Flanker

[chiliwili69]

It would be really good if anyone with a 3900x or 3950X , after trying to achieve the max OC, could run the test:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/56485-benchmark-for-cpuram-performance-remagen-40024003/

 

[Dakpilot]

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-vs-intel-core-i9-9900k

 

Does not look like 3950X would be a good choice for IL-2 VR. especially with the $250 premium over intel

 

For video rendering and suchlike in semi pro situations an easy clear winner 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[simfan2015]

I wonder, is there anyone buying a plus 3000 euro pc just for... Gaming? If not the choice should be straightforward anno 2020 I guess!? 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

My rig is purely for gaming. I do not stream or anything else, just gaming. I want to get into VR, but for me it is not there, just yet. I have one purchase to make to finalize flight gear, the pedals. Slaw, Baur, MFG or Virpil are the contestants. 

[simfan2015]

Only gaming? Then indeed Intel still seems best for VR and Ultimate fps... Until Ryzen 4000 gets released at the end of 2020!? 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Why Intel? I get way over 100fps in 2560x1080 maxed out, even in MP. Usual fps hovers at 140-180fps. Highest has been 263fps. My eyes could not tell the difference though, smooth as silk at any rate. 

 

I can hold off VR for a few years. I bet then both AMD and Intel have new CPUs to offer. Until then my Ryzen will do just fine. 

[simfan2015]

3 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

Why Intel?

No other reason than for people wanting the most possible FPS in gaming only.

But I personally also see no reason unless maybe one demands the highest possible FPS at the highest possible game settings (with an RTX 2080 Ti) ... that is what I gather from hardware + game reviews.

"I bet then both AMD and Intel have new CPUs to offer. ..." : indeed ... battle will be continued.

Edited December 29, 2019 by simfan2015

[Jaws2002]

3 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

No other reason than for people wanting the most possible FPS in gaming only.

But I personally also see no reason unless maybe one demands the highest possible FPS at the highest possible game settings (with an RTX 2080 Ti) ... that is what I gather from hardware + game reviews.

"I bet then both AMD and Intel have new CPUs to offer. ..." : indeed ... battle will be continued.

 

 

CPU impact on gaming performance is GROSSLY exaggerated by all reviewers, bloggers and youtubers. alike.  Any latest generation AMD and Intel cpu with at 6 cores and 12 threads is enough for gaming today. For this game even a six core six thread CPU is fine. 

    If you think i'm talking crap look at this screenshots:

 

The first one is this game in mission. you see there's a bit of a fight  going on, with some ground targets and vehicles in the area. The game it's using FIVE PERCENT of my CPU!

 

The highest CPU usage  i've seen (23%) , in "the other game" when a massive formation of B-17s popped into range, and looked like a lot more cores were used, but once they were loaded CPU usage dropped to five percent and six to eight threads. I just tried that mission to see how much of the CPU is being used. 

 

 

 

 

 

I built this rig about a month ago with Ryzen 3600x. Few days ago i swapped the cpu for a 3950x. It's main purpose is not gaming. 

 I ran the benchmark in this thread again, with identical settings:

 

 

Do you know what difference made going from six cores twelve threads with maximum boost of 4.4GHz to sixteen cores, thirty two threads and maximum boost of 4.7GHz?

 

Three frames per second!!!  

 

The only area where Intel has an advantage is when you use very fast ram, over 4000Mhz, because their FSB can run as fast as the memory.

But we are talking about small differences, that get completely negated the moment you add some eye candy and increase the resolution to 1440p or above.

 

For gaming, Intel or AMD, it doesn't matter. For everything else AMD has better chips and more modern platform hands down.

 

 

For everything else, the 3950x is a bloody monster. 

Here's the difference in ST mark:

 

Ryzen 3600x:

single core:

all cores:

 

Ryzen 3950x:

 

Single core:

All cores:

 

cloud strife wallpaper

 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2019 by Jaws2002

[chiliwili69]

it seems "the other game" loads more cores...

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

"The other SIM" is also getting Vulkan API. Game developers should delve more into multicore support from the start now. We are past the single or dual core times

[ZachariasX]

17 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

it seems "the other game" loads more cores...

Depends what is going on. Just flying in the green map gives me 100% load on one thread and 0% on all 19 other threads. Having a complicated cockpit and lots of going on changes that picture.

[CanadaOne]

I watched a video comparing a 3600 (non-X) to a 9900K. The difference bordered on inconsequential. 125fps vs. 145fps at best, that kind of thing.

 

$260 vs. $670. That a big $$$ increase for those extra 20FPS.