IL-2 Battle of Normandy (BOBP cousin)

[PatrickAWlson]

Given that the German stable is being added to by both east and west IMHO 1C should not be shy about moving away from a 5/5 split.  Per the OP, buyers are not going to be keen on two more Me 109 G6 variants.  This last sentence was incorrect so deleting it.

Edited July 7, 2019 by PatrickAWlson

[Pict]

43 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The biggest issue is that 1C limits campaigns to only the planes purchased with the map - that would have to be resolved somehow.

 

I wasn't aware of this. An example from their "About" page on this site https://il2sturmovik.com/about/

 

[PatrickAWlson]

8 minutes ago, Pict said:

 

I wasn't aware of this. An example from their "About" page on this site https://il2sturmovik.com/about/

 

 

I stand corrected.

[Bremspropeller]

20 hours ago, =362nd_FS=RoflSeal said:

The Korean War is quintessentially a MiG-15 vs Sabre match up, all other aircraft types are irrelevant and all the effort should be put into modelling the variants of the two aircraft used in that conflict.

 

Depends on what you want to depict.

 

Night Witches? Interdiction missions at night (B-26), carrier ops, or really just the dogfighting.

I wouldn't mind 5 different types of Sabre either, though this might get a bit old after a couple of weeks.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

7 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Depends on what you want to depict.

 

Night Witches? Interdiction missions at night (B-26), carrier ops, or really just the dogfighting.

I wouldn't mind 5 different types of Sabre either, though this might get a bit old after a couple of weeks.

I would rather have the largely WW2 propeller aircraft used in the Korean war (e.g. P-51, A-26, F4U-4) released first in WW2 modules, the Korean War itself should be jets.

Edited July 8, 2019 by =362nd_FS=RoflSeal

[CountZero]

On 7/7/2019 at 1:34 PM, =362nd_FS=RoflSeal said:

I don't see Korea ever happening in the current 5 v 5 + map format

The plane set is too lopsided in favour of the UN in terms of variety and ground attack ability. 

The UN forces destroyed the small North Korean Air Force within a month of hostilities breaking out and flew unopposed until late 1950 when the MiG-15 turned up. 

The Korean War is quintessentially a MiG-15 vs Sabre match up, all other aircraft types are irrelevant and all the effort should be put into modelling the variants of the two aircraft used in that conflict.

 

 

If it has to be korea i would go for campaign from 1951 to 1953 so map dosent have to have whole korea but just north 2/3s of it, and map could be ~600x500km what is still bigger then any map now in game including bigest bobp map, but atleast not to big.

 

Also you could cover all MiG-15 and F-86 versions with one base model and rest in modifications

 

Then you could go for 

MiG-15 and as modifications stronger engine, automatic airbrake flaps, new gunsight for MiG-15bis

Tu-2

La-9

 

F-86A-5 and as modifications F-86E-10 all moving tail,  F-86F-10 all moving tail, stronger GE-27 engine, and 6-3 wings and F-86F-30 aditional GA racks options

F-84E-25

F9F-2 with stronger P&W engine for modification to be F9F-5
F4U-4
B-26B with modification to have glass nose to be C bomber model
Meteor F.Mk 8 
Sea Fury FB.Mk 11

 

and as AI only

B-29B-60

 

Then you have 10 airplanes that are mutch more then 10 and can add extra missing ones as collectables if DLC sels good

 

You have some props, and some GA for N.Korea that was used in late war and early props can be covered for start from existing airplanes in game like Yaks, P-51s and sturmoviks

Edited July 8, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[LUZITANO]

Just one thing ... we won!
 

Pre-Purchase Battle of Normandy

 

[CountZero]

It was good choice if no go on PTO.

 

Hope they expand the map, and looking forward to see what modifications they plan to have for selected airplanes.

 

[Trog1odyte]

Congrats Luzitano, you almost nailed the planeset too!

 

Now we can start to speculate about the next DLC ? 

[simfan2015]

Congratz !

Was a good proposition for sure.

1C just couldn't resist I guess.

Normandy seems indeed the most logical choice.

 

[LUZITANO]

On 11/27/2019 at 3:46 PM, Trog1odyte said:

Now we can start to speculate about the next DLC ? 

Berlin

 

[-332FG-Buddy]

7 hours ago, LUZITANO said:

Berlin

 

As much as I loved and agreed with your normandy, I'd have to say Italy with an Italian lineup or the Pacific should got next. Not to say that Berlin is bad, but profit wise for the devs, people are screaming for the Pacific and adding Italian acft and or map would generate a good profit and fill out the plane set.  German aviation was really not the same after boldenplatte so a battle of Berlin is getting into a what if senario, and I believe most people on il2 appreciate historical accuracy.  Just my opinion and not saying anything negative about battle of Berlin, just don't think it will happen.  Personally I would like to see Italian fighters or the pacific.

Edited December 1, 2019 by -332FG-Buddy

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

they need a map for the desired Yak-9U and Yak-3

 

and yes, the Team gets short of german planes (beside Bombers ) - only 109G-10 (WOW, another 109  ) and Ta152H come to my mind for those late war Scenarios....

Edited December 3, 2019 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[Bremspropeller]

Who else would like to see more Lightnings?

The earlier map-timeframes would support early Js (no dive-brakes and no boosted ailerons) and even slim-chinned H Lightnings.

 

Pre-invasion missions would support a lot of additional Fighter Groups flying Lightnings, like the

 

- 20th FG (transitioned from Lightnings to Mustangs in July '44)

- 55th FG (transitioned from Lightnings to Mustangs in July '44)

- 364th FH (transitioned from Lightnings to Mustangs in July '44)

- 479th FG (transitioned from Lightnings to Mustangs in September '44)

 

[-EAGLE-Shifter]

Hi, 

what U.S.A.A.F.  airfields will be functional, has it been known?

https://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/publication/ee-eet/cms/pdf/information-sheets/USAAF Airfields Guide and Map.pdf

 

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1LaV0qaInEthrUsGkKzDgT-GSFWw&ll=51.40193482747338%2C-0.7637716767095748&z=8

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by -EAGLE-Shifter

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, -EAGLE-Shifter said:

Hi, 

what U.S.A.A.F.  airfields will be functional, has it been known?

https://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/publication/ee-eet/cms/pdf/information-sheets/USAAF Airfields Guide and Map.pdf

 

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1LaV0qaInEthrUsGkKzDgT-GSFWw&ll=51.40193482747338%2C-0.7637716767095748&z=8

 

 

For the USAAF, you are going to see the airfields used by the Ninth Air Force in southeastern England / northwestern France. 

[-EAGLE-Shifter]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

For the USAAF, you are going to see the airfields used by the Ninth Air Force in southeastern England / northwestern France. 

Thanks, and the finaly area of england? Where will the northern border of the map be?

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, -EAGLE-Shifter said:

Thanks, and the finaly area of england? Where will the northern border of the map be?

 

I think there are some screenshots of the map area in old Development Diary entries.

[JG7_X-Man]

@Jason_Williams Just wondering if there would be any consideration to include London and Paris in the upcoming Normand map. The possibilities of adding new pay-ware aircraft without recreating the wheel are huge!

 

Battle of Britain (Summer '40)

Luftwaffe:

Bf 109 E-1/B

Bf 109 E-4/B and E-4/N and /BN

Bf 110 C-4

Do-17Z

 

RAF:

Spitfire IIA/B

Boulton Paul Defiant

Bristol Blenheim Mk. I/IF/IV

 

Operation Jubilee (Summer '42)

Luftwaffe:

Fw 190 A-2/A-3

 

RAF:

Fairey Swordfish

Bristol Beaufighter Mk.VI

Edited September 29, 2020 by JG7_X-Man

[JG7_X-Man]

On 9/4/2020 at 8:21 AM, -EAGLE-Shifter said:

Thanks, and the finaly area of england? Where will the northern border of the map be?

I think this is what has been communicated:

 

I would be great if we could have London and Paris in this area.

Now the map below would be the dream (at least to Lille)! With all the rivers, lakes and correct topography. The current LOD we have is awesome actually.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by JG7_X-Man

[LukeFF]

You're not going to see Paris or London on this map without performance grinding to a screeching halt and / or taking an extremely long time to model accurately. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by LukeFF

[354thFG_Leifr]

It's a shame really; Cliffs managed it just fine, and with more aircraft in the sky.

I love BoX, but sometimes I do feel it has taken a step back compared to it's older cousin.

[JG7_X-Man]

41 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

You're not going to see Paris or London on this map without performance grinding to a screeching halt and / or taking an extremely long time to model accurately. 

 

@LukeFFIn this day and age of SSDs being the norm (granted all SSDs are not the same), in your opinion what what is "extremely" long? Maybe it would be worth the trade-off to the community.

 

If this map is released without London in the least, the probability of seeing a BoB map is close to 0.

11 minutes ago, Leifr said:

It's a shame really; Cliffs managed it just fine, and with more aircraft in the sky.

I love BoX, but sometimes I do feel it has taken a step back compared to it's older cousin.

 

I know right? IL-2 1946 could handle more aircraft including B-17s, B-24s, Landcasters, Sertlings and B-29s. 

What happened? It's like we had an engine computation trade-off b/w graphics verses # of objects.

Edited September 29, 2020 by JG7_X-Man

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

24 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

In this day and age of SSDs being the norm (granted all SSDs are not the same), in your opinion what what is "extremely" long? Maybe it would be worth the trade-off to the community.

 

SSDs can't make artists work faster. SSDs don't even help with performance when the main challenge is rendering a million buildings simultaneously.

 

Including London and Paris would drastically expand the scope of the project.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[JG7_X-Man]

6 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

 

SSDs can't make artists work faster. SSDs don't even help with performance when the main challenge is rendering a million buildings simultaneously.

 

Including London and Paris would drastically expand the scope of the project.

 In that case, looks like it's time to retire the game engine. 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

1 minute ago, JG7_X-Man said:

In that case, looks like it's time to retire the game engine.

 

Alternatively, the developers can continue these rationalized projects with reasonable costs and timeframes while continually improving their engine.

[Ribbon]

*B25/26 and **Ju88-A17(torpedo bomber for allied shipping and ports)!

 

//*bombers with copilot in cockpit give true feeling of bomber//

//**torpedo bombers are cool//

//*****devs that make torpedo bombers are cool?//

[KiwiMcG]

Only a very recent newbie here but enjoying the experience. On topic, actual maps of the time were actually very detailed. Paris and London weren't really covered by coastal maps at the time.