It’s the Flippin’ Fokker update next! (Dolphin + D.VII cockpit pictures + Arras preview)

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

On 1/26/2019 at 2:29 PM, SP1969 said:

 

Can't wait for the Zeppelin to appear in FC........

 

 

Is that on the table?  I know we are still waiting for them in Rise of Flight ?

[LukeFF]

I do hope they can find a way to adjust the position of the Aldis on the Dolphin - the way it is now was the prototype installation. Serial production planes had it mounted through the windscreen:

 

@=FB=VikS, @airahusky, @AnPetrovich?

 

 

14 minutes ago, HeavyCavalrySgt said:

Is that on the table?  I know we are still waiting for them in Rise of Flight 

 

No

Edited February 22, 2019 by LukeFF

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

I was looking at some

1 minute ago, LukeFF said:

 

 

No

 

 

LOL - I figured not.

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, Hellbender said:

Even sillier than that: you can survive the flipping over with your head tucked in, then kill yourself by sitting up again while inverted.

 

Dolphin pilot in his natural resting position:

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

I'm loving the Arras screenshots! I wonder...will the lamp posts light up when night falls? Or would the city be under blackout conditions? 

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

The wing-mounted guns most certainly could be cleared of jams and misfires. The photos from the time make that abundantly clear. 

 

I stand corrected, sir. I recalled that reloads were impossible and forgot that clearing gun jams actually was possible.

 

I must admit that I haven’t flown the Dolphin since 2014 after it became more or less irrelevant against the Albatros D.Va. Here’s hoping for a return to the glory days! ?

[HiIIBiIIy]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The Camel wing cutout was eventually a factory modification, so any talk about it being "abused" is patently ridiculous. 

 

 

I was referring to the large wing cutout, see below.

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

The wing-mounted guns most certainly could be cleared of jams and misfires. The photos from the time make that abundantly clear. 

Please post a picture or drawing of the mechanism that could clear jams or misfires.

Edited February 22, 2019 by HiIIBiIIy

[DD_Arthur]

2 hours ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

Please post a picture or drawing of the mechanism that could clear jams or misfires.

 

[Trooper117]

From the Windsock publication on the Sopwith Dolphin...

 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Hellbender said:

I stand corrected, sir. I recalled that reloads were impossible and forgot that clearing gun jams actually was possible.

 

Yes, I remember back when it was in beta it originally didn't have the ability to clear a misfire, but then some images popped up showing there was a Bowden Cable that ran from the flight stick to each wing-mounted gun. ?

3 hours ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

I was referring to the large wing cutout, see below.

 

Yes, that was originally a field modification that became a standard factory fit - because it was found the loss in lift was very minor. 

 

3 hours ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

Please post a picture or drawing of the mechanism that could clear jams or misfires.

 

Will do, when I get to my home computer. 

Ok, found it sooner!

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by LukeFF

[SeaW0lf]

"Certain disadvantages are, however, obvious: stoppages could not be remedied, and only 97 rounds per gun could be carried as drums could not be changed in the air"

 

I imagine the Dolphin will come with these 'features', right?

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, SeaW0lf said:

"Certain disadvantages are, however, obvious: stoppages could not be remedied, and only 97 rounds per gun could be carried as drums could not be changed in the air"

 

I imagine the Dolphin will come with these 'features', right?

 

It'll be the same way it is ROF. You know that. 

Edited February 23, 2019 by LukeFF

[BMA_Hellbender]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It'll be the same way it is ROF. You know that. 

 

Actual stoppages that require hammering would be interesting, for sure. In much the same way that random mechanical engine or structural wing failure (especially on Albatros D.Va bottom wing) could add an element of randomness to fights.

 

Coding something like that and making it appear fair would be a nightmare, though. There would be endless gnashing of teeth about how some people are just luckier than others.

[J2_Trupobaw]

On 2/22/2019 at 7:35 PM, LukeFF said:

I do hope they can find a way to adjust the position of the Aldis on the Dolphin - the way it is now was the prototype installation. Serial production planes had it mounted through the windscreen:

 

@=FB=VikS, @airahusky, @AnPetrovich?

 

 

 

 

I was overjoyed to see it mounted in useful position, Aldis in RoF may be historical but using it in game is exercise in futility. In RoF I've found the screw you can see to the right of Aldis is the most practical iron sight. As with Pup/Strutter/Tripehound, historical position and head tracking don't work together well enough.

[Cynic_Al]

The confusion appears to arise from the exact interpretation of 'stoppages'. If the illustrated cocking linkage was actually fitted, it should have had only the same effect as operating the bolt.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Cynic_Al said:

If the illustrated cocking linkage was actually fitted, it should have had only the same effect as operating the bolt.

 

1. It was fitted.
2. Operating the bolt can clear a misfire or a jam. That's basic firearms technology.

Edited February 24, 2019 by LukeFF

[Cynic_Al]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Operating the bolt can clear a misfire or a jam. That's basic firearms technology.

 

Misfire yes, jam not necessarily.

[Trooper117]

Sometimes, operating the bolt 'can' clear a stoppage or jam... but if you have a 'hard' extraction, split case, or over gauged round for instance, then probably not.

In the case of the Dolphins lower wing guns, I would expect to see the pilot attempt to clear any kind of stoppage by operating the bowden cable... in some cases they would be able to resume firing.

If that did not work then the gun would remain in/op until he landed and it would then be cleared by the armourer...

[HagarTheHorrible]

On 2/22/2019 at 4:14 PM, SYN_Requiem said:

I wonder if we can will still die if your head view is too high when the Dolphin flips over on it's back...I remember always having to duck down when it was about to happen so I can finish flight without killing myself ?

 

If we go by historical accounts then flippers flipping onto their backs and killing pilots is, way over the top ?, from what I’ve read and pictures I’ve seen flippers that nosed over generally ended up on their noses rather than their back.

Edited February 25, 2019 by HagarTheHorrible

[ZachariasX]

21 minutes ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

I’ve seen flippers that nosed over ended up on their noses rather than their back.

 This is when a D.VII ends up on his nose:

Spoiler

 

This is when a Dolphin ends up on his nose:

Spoiler

 

That in contrast to a good landing:

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There's a clear difference in style. Just look at the attitude of the plane. Much more horizontal that way.

 

A crash on the other hand looks much different:

Spoiler

They still think they can patch it up together before Boom's inspection and nobody would notice. Just carry on smiling boys.

 

 

What to do when when they mount your Aldis sight below "the bar" to mind your head, but you of course want to have it in propper place for the unmoderated experience:

Spoiler

 

 

[HagarTheHorrible]

I think, much of the fear of flipping a flipper, again from what I’ve read, was less to do with bumping one’s bonce and rather the notion of being trapped in a dolphin surf and turf grill.

[EAF19_Marsh]

The 'roll-over-and-dead' myth of the Dolphin really deserves to die (pun): the upper-wing hoops (rapidly discarded) were not there because the pilot head would be harmed on roll-over (as his head was below the spar), but to ease escape from the cockpit.

 

This the kind of easily-determined aspect that I really hope is not ignored in FC in favour of poor, myth-repeating works as evidence.

 

The flat-spin is another 'where did that come from?' example of this.

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

but to ease escape from the cockpit.

You see, at some point you acknowledge that you stay in to whatever ends if you were being stupid.

 

That's what gives me the creeps with this (in principle good) aircraft:

Spoiler

Like the feeling of flying in a stuffed monkey class liner and having the emergency exit all the way on the far end of the tube. Unless it was for Sully, you'd stay IN.

 

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

in favour of poor, myth-repeating works as evidence.

If you never sat in an open cockpit flying that crate, you automatically have a very narrow understanding of what is the spectrum of desirable qualities of an aircraft. Hence you can come up with all kind of stuff that bona fide might seem reasonable. If that then seems reasonable to many more, it becomes fact.

 

Hardly anyone ever died flipping the flipper. And if they flipped him, it was when messing up a landing by settling it down crabwise. And guess what, you make almost any plane cartwheel if you do so, especially if they have the CG that high.

 

See here:

Spoiler

That  guy came around so fast with significant yaw, he even smashed the rudder stabylo of the Camel by letting it settle sideways. Look at the wheels. He came down yawing to port, smashing in his right wheel (twisting the left one forward) and hitting the ground with the starboard wing, making it collapse backwards, followed by an immediate flip on the back fast enough to smash the empanage. He surely had enough company applauding him for his feat, then pulling him out of that mess. See the tents in the back. He's on an airfield for sure.

 

Had he landed straight and into a hole or something, his starboard wing wouldn't have hit the ground like that but he would have flipped over right away.

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

Err, OK. Anyhow, to reiterate:

- The hoops were initially fitted to aid pilot extraction and were removed when it became clear that they were not needed, though getting out upside-down probably remained a struggle.

- The pilot eye-line should be level with the small windshield, with gun-sight under the bar and through said windshield

- No remarks from pilots on weird spins but favorable remarks on speed and strength ("No vices, excellent control, strongly built, good high-altitude performance, great cockpit")

- Wing loading and power loading are more or less identical to SE5A.

[BornToBattle]

Did someone mention Fokker? 

 

I’m gonna really miss flying the Fokker E.III. I just love having to control the thing by blipping alone, especially landings. I just do not think there are many people interested in it enough they would do it for FC. Eveyone seems to want the late war “latest and greatest” models.

 

Oh well. Still got ROF to fly it in...which is starting seem a little dated though after flying the new graphics engine in IL-2.

Edited February 27, 2019 by BornToBattle

[WWBiker_]

1 hour ago, BornToBattle said:

Did someone mention Fokker? 

 

I’m gonna really miss flying the Fokker E.III. I just love having to control the thing by blipping alone, especially landings. I just do not think there are many people interested in it enough they would do it for FC. Eveyone seems to want the late war “latest and greatest” models.

 

Oh well. Still got ROF to fly it in...which is starting seem a little dated though after flying the new graphics engine in IL-2.

 hear you loud and clear started flying E.III in Red Baron 3D loved it in ROF and it really is a must in FC the lack of upper wing would be great in VR  and a suitable opponent of course, it seems only right to still remember the early years of the war. I have every item available in ROF and the cost per hours in fun made it a cheap night out, I intend to do the same with FC as it grows so hopefully these baskets full of requests might some day come true.

By the way for myself VR has brought new life to flight sims its as close as this ol fart will get to flying Thanks Jason and all members for keeping a WW1 flight sim alive and progressing.

[Cynic_Al]

On 2/25/2019 at 5:21 PM, HagarTheHorrible said:

 

If we go by historical accounts then flippers flipping onto their backs and killing pilots is, way over the top ?, from what I’ve read and pictures I’ve seen flippers that nosed over generally ended up on their noses rather than their back.

 

If the FC Dolphin behaves as it does in RoF, the best way to be certain of surviving a landing is to land inverted (that's upside-down for the simpletons). Get it right and you'll wreck the plane but won't die.

[BornToBattle]

2 hours ago, DirtyBiker said:

 hear you loud and clear started flying E.III in Red Baron 3D loved it in ROF and it really is a must in FC the lack of upper wing would be great in VR  and a suitable opponent of course, it seems only right to still remember the early years of the war. I have every item available in ROF and the cost per hours in fun made it a cheap night out, I intend to do the same with FC as it grows so hopefully these baskets full of requests might some day come true.

By the way for myself VR has brought new life to flight sims its as close as this ol fart will get to flying Thanks Jason and all members for keeping a WW1 flight sim alive and progressing.

+1 for this for sure!

 

Flying the E.III in 2D was a hoot, in VR it would be absolutely awesome especially with that single wing to look out over!  I too bought every single item available for ROF and intend to do so with both IL-2 and FC also. 

 

Same here as for flying. I was fortunate enough to land a job in Burlington, VT as a refueler back when. It’s funny, it was just like living next to the beach in Ocean City, NJ...”Aw, yeah. I can go to the beach anytime. I’ve got oodles of years to do it in!” Next thing ya know I moving and I didn’t spent nearly as much time there as I thought I would. Same for working at the airport. “Aw, yeah. I can pretty much go flying anytime. I’ve got oodles of years to do it in!” Next thing ya know, after 4 years I’m moving again and now wish I would have taken more advantage of it, so now VR desk pilot.

 

I did have many good times when I did fly though. Hopped on one of our fleet’s  Baron’s for a night flight one time riding shotgun over New York. Used to help fly one of our C-152’s while someone else reported the traffic below, got rides in numerous private aircraft at times, fueled everything from our flight school aircraft to B-737’s, MD-80 series, Fokker F-27’s (geez, I hated refueling those things especially in winter),  Blackhawk helicopters, T-37’s (besides running our flight school we also had the military contract for refueling), MU-2’s, Piper Cubs, etc., etc. Got to fuel an  F-18 Hornet also. It was the best job I ever had.

 

Oh well. At least I still have the memories. I can still smell my burps from the JP fuel I instantly ingested while cussing up a blue streak trying to get that single point to connect above me on that F-27. Did I mention I hated refueling those things? ?

Edited February 28, 2019 by BornToBattle