Jason's Quick Guide to 3.001 Graphics Smoothness

[SCG_ErwinP]

 

4 hours ago, hellmincer said:

Applying the stuff from the guide fixed the stutters offline. I can run a 8x8 dogfight with ground objects on the map just fine, scripted campaign is also good. But online is way worse. For example, on Berloga server, even if there a few people around, I basically have a slideshow, even though FPS is the same 20-25 like in offline. Is it because of the ping or just online specific thing? 

I believe that ping is a relevant factor, but depends that is your Internet speed, so wich is your Internet speed?.

Post a screen shot of your graphic settings and completly computer specs.

Edited September 25, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[madden]

I also think it's because of the internet connection, I also thought that the application of the content of the guide can correct the crush offline only, but I understood after that the problem come from my connection which is a little slow.

 

 

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Edited October 20, 2018 by madden

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

Sorry for the late reply, but I figured out the solution. The problem was with the power-saving settings of the GPU of my laptop. Now everything is smooth, even on Berloga.

Once the performance issue is gone, the game looks just fabulous. Very, very impressive work.

[viperGerson]

Hi

I would like to  know If its better to set the graphics from the nvidia control panel or check the box that says " let the app decide" and set the parameters on the games system/graphics screen?

Precisa, is itens possible to do both?

Thanks

 

Or is It possible to use both?

Thanks

[No_85_Gramps]

Set the game up as you wish with the game settings. In the Nvidia control panel add the game exe to the manage 3d settings under program settings. Only thing I changed in Nvidia is set max pre-rendered frames to 1, and power management, prefer maximum performance. 

[viperGerson]

Thanks a lot

But why change the max pre rendered frames to 1?

[No_85_Gramps]

3 hours ago, viperGerson said:

Thanks a lot

But why change the max pre rendered frames to 1?

Just seems to make things smoother. IIRC pre-rendered frames that back-up in the queue get dumped if not sent to the CPU (I'm probably wrong). Experiment with it to see if it makes a difference.

[viperGerson]

thanks

[SShrike]

Experiencing stuttering on a powerful rig is frustrating because you know the capability is there but something just isn't right. I built a new pc and had a bit of stutter, especially when panning using TrackIR. I tried every combination of settings I could think of, and even resorted to lowering all graphics, but still the stutter was there. After some more testing, I found the right combination to completely eliminate the stutter with full max graphic settings.

-In game vcync on

-nvidia control panel vsync "adaptive"

i thought these two settings would conflict but instead they have totally fixed all stutter and it feels like a whole new game!

 

[Blackhawk_FR]

Is there a way to reduce only tree details? 

I've discovered that flying over forests make me loose some FPS.

[SCG_ErwinP]

5 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

Is there a way to reduce only tree details? 

I've discovered that flying over forests make me loose some FPS.

Blurred grass, I guess.

[JonRedcorn]

21 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

Is there a way to reduce only tree details? 

I've discovered that flying over forests make me loose some FPS.

Lower the preset, preset has full control over forest draw distance. Again more settings that I wish we had control over.

[Slap]

 

 

I basically let applications manage most of  graphic settings ( I have enable G-sync compatibility on monitor) 

Looks like I still might have some wiggle room with frame rates/settings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Slap
Wrong Nvidea settings pic

[Slap]

My sys specs:

• Lazer3D LZ7 Mini-ITX.(amazing case)
• Corsair SF450 450W SFX Silent PSU/Power Supply.
• MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC (Socket AM4) Mini-ITX Motherboard.
• Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Mini Graphics Card.
• AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 2600 3.90GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail.
• TeamGroup 480GB L5 Lite SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 3D NAND Solid State Drive.
• Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey.
• Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 Low Profile CPU Cooler- 92mm/NF-A9x14 PWM premium fan.
• Be quiet 140mm case fan
• Corsair SF450 450W SFX Silent PSU/Power Supply.
• Win10 Pro 64 (bought legit for £20 on well know selling site/one install only)
• AOC Q3279VWFD8 32" monitor (absolute bargain at £200!)
• HOTAS= MS FFB2 (need to sort out my TM gear and pedals etc)
• TrackIR 5 (setting up)

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, Slap said:

 

 

 

What exactly is that fan for?

[J2_Bidu]

34 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

What exactly is that fan for?

4D!

[Slap]

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

What exactly is that fan for?

Morning LukeFF

 

The fan is fairly large (140mm in size) and the idea is to have a bigger fan so it can run slower/quieter/shift more air for cooling components inside the case.

The fan does look big because the case is so small also.

Link to case if you're interested: 

 https://www.lazer3d.com/product/lz7/

 

Pic of my case during build:

 

 

@J2_Bidua, not a bad idea lol Have the wind blowing in your hair/scalp like in an open cockpit...

 

 

BTW,  I noticed if I stick on V-sync my frame rates turn into a slide show (I am running monitor in G-sync compatability mode). 

 

 

[Slap]

Updated my settings in game, seems to run smooth, still haven't sorted out TrackIR to test:

 

 

[LukeFF]

@Slap, thanks, that makes sense now. ? I was thrown off by the USB connections there, which I'd not seen on a PSU before. I've a Noctua fan as well and really like it. 

[Slap]

24 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

@Slap, thanks, that makes sense now. ? I was thrown off by the USB connections there, which I'd not seen on a PSU before. I've a Noctua fan as well and really like it. 

Yea they are nice fans for sure LukeFF.

When you say PSU, do you mean Power Supply Unit? If so, those 2 usb ports by Noctua fan are part of the front of the PC case and not the PSU.  

A couple of  pics of build with rest of components.

 

 https://imgur.com/1t9LjpC

 

PS Sorry to go a bit off-topic here chaps. Will move to another forum if necessary.   

Edited April 9, 2019 by Slap
Added a cheeky photo link, forgive me dons...;)

[LukeFF]

On 4/9/2019 at 10:09 AM, Slap said:

When you say PSU, do you mean Power Supply Unit? If so, those 2 usb ports by Noctua fan are part of the front of the PC case and not the PSU.  

 

Ah, now I get it! I was thinking that it was some sort of external fan with USB connections. ?

[Creep]

Just curious if any of the recommended settings from the first post have changed with the most recent release? I am seeing micro stutters in VR - i7 9700, 16GB 3400 RAM, 1080 Ti. Thanks!

[RedKestrel]

On 10/2/2019 at 11:10 PM, QB.Creep said:

Just curious if any of the recommended settings from the first post have changed with the most recent release? I am seeing micro stutters in VR - i7 9700, 16GB 3400 RAM, 1080 Ti. Thanks!

New recommendations I have seen recently are:
-Use in-game VSYNC and set your frame rate limiter to your monitor's refresh rate. If you have a 60 hz monitor, set it to 60, etc/. 
-use Full-Screen mode. This was from the devs I believe.

I tested these settings in an 8 vs. 8 QMB with 8 p-47s and 8 He-111s right over Antwerp. I saw much fewer microstutters than before. Fewer microstutters online as well...I have only gotten those stutters on the Rheinland map. Some people, however, have said it improves when turning ingame VSYNC off and turning it on in Nvidia control panel.

I have seen some people have success with deleting the startup config file and letting the system replace it, then re-tweaking all their settings when nothing else worked. Always be careful with manually tweaking game files but if you have really poor performance it's worth a try.

Other things to try include turning down cloud details, reducing horizon draw distance, and turning down mirrors. All of those are big performance hogs relatively speaking.

For me, I noticed no difference in stuttering between either of the new visibility distances.

[Creep]

Thanks @RedKestrel. I am not sure that VSYNC settings have any bearing when using VR, but I will play around with it to see if I can get any benefit from changing it. Will also try the trick with the startup.cfg.

[RedKestrel]

1 minute ago, QB.Creep said:

Thanks @RedKestrel. I am not sure that VSYNC settings have any bearing when using VR, but I will play around with it to see if I can get any benefit from changing it. Will also try the trick with the startup.cfg.

Yeah sorry, I have no idea what would work for VR. Some people on VR have had luck installing new drivers and some of the above stuff, others havent. Seems very hardware dependant.

 

[Flying__Horse]

With the last update, i have a lot of big stutters. My fps lowered mostly under the 50. Somthimes the game is becoming unplayable.  Before that i had mostly no stutters and fps above 50-60.

I have a i5 core and card gtx750ti, 8Gb internal mem.

 

Someone knows good settings for this card, for graphics in game and settings on my graphic card?

 

I am still not looking to upgrate my card ?

 

Thanks in advance,

FH

Edited October 14, 2019 by Flying_Horse_

[THERION]

32 minutes ago, Flying_Horse_ said:

With the last update, i have a lot of big stutters. My fps lowered mostly under the 50. Somthimes the game is becoming unplayable.  Before that i had mostly no stutters and fps above 50-60.

I have a i5 core and card gtx750ti, 8Gb internal mem.

 

Someone knows good settings for this card, for graphics in game and settings on my graphic card?

 

I am still not looking to upgrate my card ?

 

Thanks in advance,

FH

 

Well, your system has its limits for this game and with the new update (and new maps), it's quite obvious that performance will suffer the more content we get.

Your graphic card has only 2 GB of video memory. And if I understood correctly, your internal memory of 8 GB is actually your amount of RAM, correct?

 

Both amounts of memory are really low for the game - your graphic card will constantly be loading/swapping the graphical data because you only have 2 GB of

VRAM and that's one of the reasons you encounter those stutters. And your amount of 8 GB of RAM won't help either to run the game smoothly. Sorry for the

bad news.

 

So, you have two bottlenecks here. Maybe you can try and select the LOW preset and modify all parameters like draw distance (lowest is 40km), shadows, clouds

etc. and set these to the lowest level. Plus you should also consider to lower your screen resolution, because resolutions from 1920x1080 and above are not

recommended for your graphic card.

 

Good luck.

 

Cheers

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

12 minutes ago, Flying_Horse_ said:

I have a i5 core and card gtx750ti, 8Gb internal mem.

 

Someone knows good settings for this card, for graphics in game and settings on my graphic card?

 

I am still not looking to upgrate my card ?

 

The GTX 750 Ti is weaker than the recommended GPU in the minimum system requirements, so an upgrade may be the only option for good performance. The CPU could also be a problem depending on the specific model. 8 GB of RAM should be fine if you're only running Il-2.

 

Try to set all parameters to their minimum values.

[Flying__Horse]

Ok, thanks a lot for your time and information.

 

Dunno what im gonna do. This game is truely not my life, but who knows bit laters ☺️

 

Greetings 

FH

[Flying__Horse]

Helloo,

 

I putted everything on low, screen staying on 1920x1080. Better result, fps again between 50 and 60, no heavy stutters ?.

 

Last question: How can i put bos and bom pictures under my name here, under already bok? Don't find it anymore. Sorry, im not a frequent user here. 

 

Greets,

FH

Edited October 16, 2019 by Flying_Horse_

[Art-J]

You can't. Badges below the name are automatically given only to those who bought the expansions directly in the 1C web shop.

Edited October 16, 2019 by Art-J

[Creep]

I want to share with all of you what @QB.Piranha shared with me that really made a difference with the stutters I get in VR:

 

• Increase supersampling in SteamVR. I have the Odyssey+, and I moved mine from 144% to 200%.
• Set "motionReprojectionMode" to "motionvector". This file should be located in "{steam installation directory}\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\resources\settings\default.vrsettings" 

 

I do get some stutters still, but only on one of the maps in CombatBox. I don't know what the name of the map is but it's the one with two "Deurne" cities on it on opposite sides of the map.

Edited October 16, 2019 by QB.Creep

[jollyjack]

On 3/15/2018 at 12:53 PM, Jason_Williams said:

Tips to find Maximum Smoothness:

 

1.  In the Settings screen set Vsync On (to prevent screen tears), Full Screen Off (it’s not necessary so long as you set your resolution to the same res of your monitor) and 4K Textures On (likely not notice any difference in performance, but fix a stutter).

2. In the Settings screen set the preset to Balanced, set your Distant Landscape Detail to Normal and Horizon Draw Distance to 40km and Cloud Quality to Low.

 

3. In the Game screen set the Map Scenery Distance to 50km.

 

4.  Everything else can be on or off and set how you like.

 

5. If you have a G-Sync or Free-Sync monitor turn that On and leave all other settings set to Let Application decide. The only exception is (if available) set the video card power setting to Prefer Maximum Performance, not Adaptive or Low etc.  

 

6. In Windows set your computer power supply to use Maximum, not Balanced or Energy Saver.  

 

NOTE: The 4K Textures option seems to cause stuttering if turned OFF. Turning it ON seems to solve the issue, especially on higher resolution like 4K (3840 x 2160). The team is aware of this issue and will look into it more in the future. You want 4K textures on anyways to see 4K skins. Rendering 4K textures seem to have little if any impact on performance so just use it.

 

NOTE: We recommend not using SweetFX injector with Sturmovik any longer. Our tests show that it can induce some micro-stuttering.

 

Testing:

 

Run a heavy QMB x16 fighter plane dogfight mission over the Kuban coast and check for performance. Avoid using bombers for testing as they hit CPU harder than normal and loads fluctuate a lot. If frames are smooth start increasing the settings above one by one, but always leave point 1 above alone once you set it. 

 

Conclusion:

 

Our Sturmovik has been highly optimized during the Kuban development cycle, but this update has pushed the limits of our terrain, clouds and sky rendering. There are bound to be some challenges to some user’s performance. As is normal for this hobby and PC gaming in general, try to buy the most powerful gear you can to have the best performance possible. 

 

NOTE: I fly using a monitor mostly. Flying in VR takes a lot more horsepower for high frame-rate so you may need to lower certain settings. You shoule NEVER expect frame-rate in VR to be the same as using a monitor because everything has to be drawn twice. 

 

And the fact is, some users with older gear, may just need to run with lower settings in some areas. Not everyone can run at maximum visuals or settings. Find the best balance for you and enjoy flying. 

 

Jason

 

Worth a read?:  

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/12/18251980/how-to-install-nvidia-g-sync-unsupported-freesync-monitor

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YI0RQcymJSY0-LkbjSRGswWpJzVRuK_4zMvphRbh19k/edit#gid=1455257716

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by jollyjack

[JG7_RudeRaptor]

What about edge smoothness?  Distance view looks like antialiasing not doing it's job? 

[[Florida]Florida1146]

Newb here, and I have been trying tofind out why the mouse and TrackIR do not seem to work together. And as I read these posts, I thought I'd also ask if anyone out there knows the optimum settings for my graphics card. I have a nVidia GTX 1080-Ti with 11 Gb of onboard vRAM, and the nVidia app installed to tweak things. My current monitor is a 1920x1080 34". So no 4K system as it were. Yet it seems you guys are advocating clicking on the 4K box anyway. And locking the FPS with vSync. So I'm trying to understand that.

 

As  far as TrackIR goes, someone on Discord actually told me not to touch the mouse once in-game, but how is that possible?

While TrackIR works fine, any atteempt to move the mouse results in violent shaking of the screen. So is there also any info on how to use TrackIR along with the mouse. Especially when trying to focus on certain views, like the panel or outside views.

 

I'm still learning, so forgive my ignorance.

 

Cheers,

-= Florida =-

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, [Florida]Florida1146 said:

Newb here, and I have been trying tofind out why the mouse and TrackIR do not seem to work together. And as I read these posts, I thought I'd also ask if anyone out there knows the optimum settings for my graphics card. I have a nVidia GTX 1080-Ti with 11 Gb of onboard vRAM, and the nVidia app installed to tweak things. My current monitor is a 1920x1080 34". So no 4K system as it were. Yet it seems you guys are advocating clicking on the 4K box anyway. And locking the FPS with vSync. So I'm trying to understand that.

 

As  far as TrackIR goes, someone on Discord actually told me not to touch the mouse once in-game, but how is that possible?

While TrackIR works fine, any atteempt to move the mouse results in violent shaking of the screen. So is there also any info on how to use TrackIR along with the mouse. Especially when trying to focus on certain views, like the panel or outside views.

 

I'm still learning, so forgive my ignorance.

 

Cheers,

-= Florida =-

 

TrackIR isn't designed to be used alongside a mouse at the same time. If you need to use the mouse cursor, you need to disable TrackIR first.

[Hoss]

31 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

TrackIR isn't designed to be used alongside a mouse at the same time. If you need to use the mouse cursor, you need to disable TrackIR first.

Look in the view settings, numpad 2 is looking at the instruments, the only thing I use it for is the I-16, track IR lets me look at everything in all other A/C.  I use quick zoom x 3, along with slow zoom in/out, and numpad . The only time you will touch the mouse when the game starts and you are flying, is to jump into a gunners seat and use the gun, then you will use the mouse in conjuction with TIR. There are no knobs, buttons, levers to manipulate in this game like there is in the "Other" sim.  Be patient and keep asking good questions, there are polite people who will help and some others not so much, ignore them and learn the game and all it's associated controller settings that best suit you.  There are tons of Youtube videos on how to set the game up.  

 

Pilot head: zoom in	Numpad Add +
Pilot head: zoom out	Numpad Subtract -

Quick zoom: level 1	Rctl + Numpad 1
Quick zoom: level 2	Rctl + Numpad 2
Quick zoom: level 3	Rctl + Numpad 3

Pilot head snap position: backward – right

Numpad 3

Pilot head snap position: backward- left

Numpad 1

There are a bunch more, try them out to complement your TIR set up.  four way hats are best, the instrument view, L/R backwards and backwards are on a hat switch on the TMWH stick, the Center view and TIR = F1, zoom in/out and quick zoom 3 are on the thumb hat on the throttle, the push function of the switch is PTT on comms. 

 

Cheers

Hoss

Edited December 12, 2021 by 352nd_Hoss

[[Florida]Florida1146]

Thanks, guys! I kinda like the idea of forgetting the mouse...it's just a habit. I'll set up the views with one of the hat switches on my X-56 stick. I'm used to clicking on all the switches and knobs.

 

Soon as I have everything linked, it will be off to the races...er...furballs!

 

Merry Christmas! ?

[1Sascha]

That actually helped.

 

Think I only changed a few settings according to the guide (landscape and horizon draw-distance plus I enabled Vsync and switched off full screen) and went from 60 to 65 FPS in the recommended testing QM to 80 to 85 FPS. In career missions (regular difficultly, medium frontline activity), I'm getting the occasional 100 to 110 FPS now - even though I've set clouds to "extreme". I also think the changes got rid of the very occasional micro-stutters I experienced when zooming in rapidly. And all that on my puny 1060 3GB at 1440p. ?

 

Stupid question: My monitor supports FreeSync, but I have a Geforce card (no mention of G-Sync in the monitor's documentation). Can I still use that feature even though I don't run an AMD GPU?

 

On 10/11/2019 at 9:14 PM, RedKestrel said:

New recommendations I have seen recently are:
-Use in-game VSYNC and set your frame rate limiter to your monitor's refresh rate. If you have a 60 hz monitor, set it to 60, etc/. 
-use Full-Screen mode. This was from the devs I believe.

 

Any news on the validity of that? Seeing how the original post seems unchanged, I guess I can assume that the recommendations in there are still valid?

 

S.

Edited April 11, 2022 by 1Sascha

[TP_Jacko]

On 10/13/2018 at 9:04 PM, =TH=mincer said:

Sorry for the late reply, but I figured out the solution. The problem was with the power-saving settings of the GPU of my laptop. Now everything is smooth, even on Berloga.

Once the performance issue is gone, the game looks just fabulous. Very, very impressive work.

Hi mincer what settings did you sdlecg to  help fix the problem