Developer Diary, Part 176 - Discussion

[Requiem]

Thank you for bringing back coop mode. It sounds like the one from Rise of Flight which is great! :D This will help people create individual scenarios that smaller numbers of people can enjoy. Personally, I've preferred making coop missions as they were easier for me to do.

 

The rain effect looks good too, so hopefully it could be a server side option if it doesn't impact FPS too much as it would be a shame to have that hard work go unseen. Maybe way down the road there could be some combinations of weather/cloud options down the road like overcast clouds with/without rain in some areas or broken/scattered/few clouds in others.

[Gambit21]

Yep - clear or light clouds on one part of the map, heavy or overcast on another. Setting rain in the editor results in precip under the heavy/overcast areas. This is something I've mentioned before and would love to see.

 

Even partial clear/heavy pre-sets without rain would be useful.

[JG4_Sputnik]

Cool! Coop finally! 

And the Cobra looks great

[Raptorattacker]

Looks gooooood to me. Immersion immersion immersion. The Rain in Spain Falls Mainl.......... hang on!! Sorry, wrong song. The rain in this game falls mainly on the plane!!

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Now we have all pieces for a dynamic weather environment

 

Actually the future Pacific front will demand it.

Edited October 21, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

A question about the P39's model. What's with the 3 holes in the bottom of the plane? It seems that in any picture I can find there are radiator flaps/cowlings, but they don't seem to be there in game. 

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

The rain effect looks great, 'little' things like that really add to the immersion and variety, particularly in SP. Making it a server option makes sense, but I LIKE that rain makes spotting more difficult! I'd force it on everyone if I could

 

Hi Pinko, I hate to bring politics into this thread and I while I think I understand that you are maybe supporting a stand for Catalonia? I would like to point out that  the flag of Workers party of Marxist Unification in your avatar could be offence to some members of the community. There are some countries where the Red star and the hammer and sickle were symbols of  oppression and hatred and are banned.

 

Personally, I don't mind but I don't think the forum would tolerate someone with a gammadion (swastkia) in their avatar?

 

Regards

 

Custard

[Finkeren]

Hi Pinko, I hate to bring politics into this thread and I while I think I understand that you are maybe supporting a stand for Catalonia? I would like to point out that the flag of Workers party of Marxist Unification in your avatar could be offence to some members of the community. There are some countries where the Red star and the hammer and sickle were symbols of oppression and hatred and are banned.

 

Personally, I don't mind but I don't think the forum would tolerate someone with a gammadion (swastkia) in their avatar?

 

Regards

 

Custard

The swastika is a special case. There are people who’s avatars are displaying the emblems of German WW2 units using runic symbols that are associated with nazi ideology, and nobody takes offense at that.

[Geleitzug]

Will the rain effect only be available for the High and Ultra graphic settings ?

[CanadaOne]

 

 

Personally, I don't mind but I don't think the forum would tolerate someone with a gammadion (swastkia) in their avatar?

 

Regards

 

Custard

 

If they understood it, they would be fine with it.

[Mac_Messer]

The swastika is a special case. There are people who’s avatars are displaying the emblems of German WW2 units using runic symbols that are associated with nazi ideology, and nobody takes offense at that.

Not only units. Look up the German section of this forum, you will have a field day. Just don`t bother reporting, the German mods there don`t give a damn.

[DD_Arthur]

'Kin 'ell Custard.  Get a grip m8. 

[Yazh-29]

Thank you for bringing back coop mode. It sounds like the one from Rise of Flight which is great! :D This will help people create individual scenarios that smaller numbers of people can enjoy. Personally, I've preferred making coop missions as they were easier for me to do.

 

The rain effect looks good too, so hopefully it could be a server side option if it doesn't impact FPS too much as it would be a shame to have that hard work go unseen. Maybe way down the road there could be some combinations of weather/cloud options down the road like overcast clouds with/without rain in some areas or broken/scattered/few clouds in others.

Idem !

 

What is the date for the cooperation mode? I look forward.

Edited October 21, 2017 by GUIGNOL

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

The swastika is a special case. There are people who’s avatars are displaying the emblems of German WW2 units using runic symbols that are associated with nazi ideology, and nobody takes offense at that.

 

I don't take offence to historic markings or symbols on historical aircraft (its the ideology that is the problem) I would like fully historic markings for aircraft across the broad (but we know that can't happen  yada, yada, yada.

 

 

 

'Kin 'ell Custard.  Get a grip m8. 

 

Grip fully maintained   

 

Back on topic, I am very much looking forward to Co-op mode but I'm still hoping at some point we get that elusive Hurricane?

[Bearcat]

Awesome! That rain effect looks stunning.

Hopyfully with the same pass oil will also be modeled this way when engine gets hit?

Awesome Job!

I was thinking that too.

 

Sun then Rain !! we'll be getting Rainbows next

Great work guys

 

Lol! I would not be surprised if that happened down the road....

the rain effect is amazing, can also be applied to the exterior of the Plane???

 

I was thinking that as well... also... if when the canopy was open the drops would land inside the plane....

 

I understand this is a WIP (I hope)

As someone who flys in the rain, the effect is good until the plane gets up to speed, then the effect is poor. It's like you have the viscosity of the water set too high.

​The prop tends to "mist" the drops just behind the prop. The streaks would not be that thick and hard to see thru.

Also i hope that the dust effects on the field are toned down when rain is present.

I thought the same thing about the viscosity of the water. Not a complaint at all... just an observation. This entire project has been an ongoing WIP from day one and this sim is shaping up exactly like I expected it to ... Great stuff ....

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

Very impressive video....so rain is another reason I'll miss, and be shot down...

The P-39 looks great, in the IL-2 I found it a bit twitchy, but liked it.

The RAF rejected it at the beginning of the war, but I believe they were after a pure dogfighter, Am I correct that the Russians found it an effective ground attack aircraft. 

But reading about the Northern Area of Operations the Germans mention it in the bomber escort role.

Either way,I'm wallet ready

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

My dear Scotsman, the P-39 was a fighter and a fighter only over the steppes and hills!

 

The RAF evaluation had a few things to it. They got the very first production series, riddled with all the problems first series come with. Then the fight testing data which influenced the purchase turned out to have been based on an aircraft not fitted with all combat equipment, making performance more optimistic and thus disappointing the Brits once the real thing arrived. Finally, like most P-39s the version the RAF got (much like the P-40 and all Soviet active service designs bar the MiG-3) had an engine which delivered its best performance at low altitude but left it hopeless at the 7000m and up where the action usually was over Western Europe.

 

A true proof of how the circumstances can make or break a fighter is that not only the aircraft the RAF hated became a superstar in Soviet employment, but the Spitfire, poster child of British excellency and fighter design, was considered unfit for frontline duty and got hauled off after a single month in the frontlines.

[Raptorattacker]

My dear Scotsman, the P-39 was a fighter and a fighter only over the steppes and hills!

 

The RAF evaluation had a few things to it. They got the very first production series, riddled with all the problems first series come with. Then the fight testing data which influenced the purchase turned out to have been based on an aircraft not fitted with all combat equipment, making performance more optimistic and thus disappointing the Brits once the real thing arrived. Finally, like most P-39s the version the RAF got (much like the P-40 and all Soviet active service designs bar the MiG-3) had an engine which delivered its best performance at low altitude but left it hopeless at the 7000m and up where the action usually was over Western Europe.

 

A true proof of how the circumstances can make or break a fighter is that not only the aircraft the RAF hated became a superstar in Soviet employment, but the Spitfire, poster child of British excellency and fighter design, was considered unfit for frontline duty and got hauled off after a single month in the frontlines.

That, Sir, is a very good (and interesting) point very well delivered. The planes in - game however are thankfully not subject to most of these real - life factors (thankfully) and can be enjoyed by all of us from the comfort of wherever we indulge our fantasies of 'pilotry'! I for one say, "Phew!!". 

[LLv34_Wmaker]

A question about the P39's model. What's with the 3 holes in the bottom of the plane? It seems that in any picture I can find there are radiator flaps/cowlings, but they don't seem to be there in game.

 

The screenshot shows the radiator flap and oil cooler flaps in fully closed position.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Nice rain effect, but please don't forget about rain sound which you should hear if engine is off.

[Raptorattacker]

Nice rain effect, but please don't forget about rain sound which you should hear if engine is off.

Yeah, that's a good point. That would be even better!

[sport02]

Now we have all pieces for a dynamic weather environment

 

Actually the future Pacific front will demand it.

 

interesting , but precisely why ?

I am not a historical specialist of the pacific war .

Edited October 22, 2017 by sport02

[ShamrockOneFive]

Nice rain effect, but please don't forget about rain sound which you should hear if engine is off.

 

It's already there. Sounds pretty convincing actually.

interesting , but precisely why ?

I am not a historical specialist of the pacific war .

 

I'm not sure if dynamic weather is required. Variable weather conditions across a map might be useful.

 

Carriers ducked into squalls during carrier battles to hide from attacking planes.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

It's already there. Sounds pretty convincing ...

Are you sure? I was flying yesterday online sorite on RandomPlus with rain and do not hear rain, no sound of water drops hitting plane plates etc...

[Guest deleted@1562]

Late to the party, but very excited about the coop mode and the rain effect looks fantastic

[EAF19_Marsh]

Fantastic stuff, just need now to be reunited with my computer...

[EAF_Starfire]

I didn't buy the game for a long time. The 1c lost a lot of prestige with me after Cliffs of Dover.

The first game was and still is peculiar in how they arranged the flight control menu work. But during this year I have gained faith. The combination of promises and scheduled fulfillment of those as well as the improvement themselves are really it work for me as well as a trust in the future of this game/sim. Good work guys!

[Raptorattacker]

Are you sure? I was flying yesterday online sorite on RandomPlus with rain and do not hear rain, no sound of water drops hitting plane plates etc...

I think Shamrock means the sounds with the NEW effect?...

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I think Shamrock means the sounds with the NEW effect?...

How he could think and reply about new effect if it's not realised yet? BTW in that preview video the engine is on so if there are any rain sounds you can't hear it.

[E69_geramos109]

The rain effect on the glass is amacing! But i still miss some effects about rain impacts on the surfaces of the plane, the ground and the wet looking of the environment. Wold be great if you csn improve on that.

[Raptorattacker]

How he could think and reply about new effect if it's not realised yet? BTW in that preview video the engine is on so if there are any rain sounds you can't hear it.

I've no idea. I don't actually know the man. Maybe he has access to testing? I really don't know, I was just going by what he actually said. I certainly didn't mean any offence... 

[CIA_Yankee_]

Guys,

 

We know what rain looks like. We all drive cars and at least one of us can fly an actual propeller driven plane. Vids aren't necessary in this thread really. Just let us do our thing.

 

Jason

 

No worries, Jason. People are just super excited about this. As far as positive response goes, this is overwhelming enthusiasm.

 

Well done once again, the team is knocking it out of the park!

[Danziger]

The rain video is just a sneak peek at a very early WIP of something that isn't a priority and will be added much later. It's quite obviously not the final product as I'm sure the guys on the team know what it needs to look like when it's finished. I'm pretty sure it was posted in the spirit of "check out this awesome new feature we are planning to add" and not "please critique this final result because we can't figure out what it's supposed to look like".

[CIA_Yankee_]

A true proof of how the circumstances can make or break a fighter is that not only the aircraft the RAF hated became a superstar in Soviet employment, but the Spitfire, poster child of British excellency and fighter design, was considered unfit for frontline duty and got hauled off after a single month in the frontlines.

 

Agreed, and it's amazing considering that the Spitfire certainly was no slouch at the sort of altitudes the VVS fought either (though I _think_ the Merlin they got was optimized for high altitude, would would explain a few things). Though, in that case, a strong contributor would have had to have been the fact that by '43 the Spit Vb was definitely outperformed by the more modern VVS designs, had no weapons in the nose (something that was ubiquitous on the eastern front), and generally were older frames with plenty of maintenance issue.

 

It'd have been interesting to see what their reaction would have been had they received Spit IXs in '43... though I suspect even then adoption would have been difficult (the lack of nose armament alone was probably a deal breaker).

 

Either way, I'm loving the Spit in BoK,

[Raptorattacker]

Yep, it truly is a plane to fly. It's also a cast-iron example of just how varied the flight modelling is in the game as well. Not having played for as long as a LOT of others I come here and am truly impressed (and indeed under the influence) of the game and it's dedication. Sure, we can all pick holes in stuff but then who can't? The overall game is rock-solidly built on great foundations AND 'they at the top' most definitely take time out to take note of a lot of issues raised in Forums, unlike some other well-known flight games I could (but won't) mention!!

Edited October 23, 2017 by Raptorattacker

[sport02]

The rain video is just a sneak peek at a very early WIP of something that isn't a priority and will be added much later. It's quite obviously not the final product as I'm sure the guys on the team know what it needs to look like when it's finished. I'm pretty sure it was posted in the spirit of "check out this awesome new feature we are planning to add" and not "please critique this final result because we can't figure out what it's supposed to look like".

no apparently if I have understand  , even if  it's wip  this feature could be introduce in game quickly

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

They did receive about 800 Mk IX! The reaction? All sent to air defence regiments to intercept high altitude recon or bomber aircraft, or used for high altitude training

[santiagojamesaea]

When our engine is damadged will we see oil "sliding" up the canopy as well, like rise of flight on the goggles?

The rain looks excelent, it really does, this sim just gets better and better...

[senseispcc]

The coop is the great, great news of the days, the P-39 the second one. Coop in the P-39 is like a dream come true, I remember the thousands of hours my friends and I flying against PC driven enemies in self-created missions all coop in the far from perfect but so much fun original Il2 or il2 1946 we played many Saturdays afternoons until fatigue did halt us. Coop is for me the best part of a air battle game, us against the machine driven enemies. Perfection, Thank you.

The P-39 and more realistic rain what can we ask more, more! And what can we give? Our thanks and our fidelity to this brand how gives and continues to give, thanks!   

Edited October 24, 2017 by senseispcc

[56RAF_Roblex]

 

 

I remember the thousands of hours my friends and I flying against PC driven enemies

 

He has not actually said so in the announcement but I am hoping we can also have co-ops where the enemy slot can be filled by human pilots and only the empty slots filled by AI.   Many of us like a challenge and shooting down AI is a bit of a circle jerk.