Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle

[Warpig]

I really hope to see a version with all the switches to be 3-ways.

[Sokol1]

You mean a ON-ON-ON switch?

 

None of actual available controllers (joy, throttle) use this kind of switch, as well I don't imagine game support for this kind of switch unless some DCSW modules.

[Warpig]

You mean a ON-ON-ON switch?

 

None of actual available controllers (joy, throttle) use this kind of switch, as well I don't imagine game support for this kind of switch unless some DCSW modules.

I mean the momentary ones like the X56 has. I've seen them called 3-way switches before, not sure if it's the proper name or not.

[Sokol1]

In X-55/6 the base switches is momentary switches  (ON)-OFF-(ON) - this type don't latch in up or down but spring back to center when you release the pressure on lever.

 

In MongoosT50 throttle T3, T4, T5 is this type of switch.

 

T1, T2 and T6 is ON-OFF - latch in position up or down position, through firmware or external keymapper (SVMapper, Joy2Key...) can send command (button press) in ON and OFF state of the switch.

[JG300_Egon]

Does the T1 & T2 switches activates the black buttons lined up with ?

 

I guess momentary switches are usefull for gear, flaps in simulation (I don't have that kind of switches on my throttle T16000 TWCS), but I wonder to which function I could assign non-momentary switches ?

 

Does T6 is a non-momentary switch too ?

[Sokol1]

(I don't have that kind of switches on my throttle T16000 TWCS), but I wonder to which function I could assign non-momentary switches ?

 

Latch switches (non-momentary) is good for controls like landing gear, flapes... because just be glance at switch or touch then you have a visual or tactile feedback if gear of flapes are up or down.

 

In Bo'x require cautious "check-list" before hit Fly for avoid inversion as there's no command for gear up (only) or gear down (only) - like flapes.

 

Momentary switch don't give you any feedback, is just like press a key in keyboard.

Edited November 26, 2017 by Sokol1

[KoN_]

VPC has not released their software as of yet.

Are they making one . 

I'm definitely saving up for this .

Edited November 28, 2017 by II./JG77_Con

[dburne]

Are they making one . 

I'm definitely saving up for this .

 

Yes, have not heard an ETA for consumer version of the software yet.

[Dutchvdm]

Hi Guys,

 

Really interested in this unit. Will i be able to use it with my VKB Gladiator Pro?

 

Thnx

 

Grt M

[dburne]

Hi Guys,

 

Really interested in this unit. Will i be able to use it with my VKB Gladiator Pro?

 

Thnx

 

Grt M

 

Can't imagine why not, two separate units and device id's.

I use a Warthog throttle with a Virpil stick with no problem.

[Dutchvdm]

Can't imagine why not, two separate units and device id's.

I use a Warthog throttle with a Virpil stick with no problem.

 

Cool. It will make my setup complete.

 

Grt M

[sinned]

I need this.

[Sokol1]

Can't imagine why not, two separate units and device id's.

I use a Warthog throttle with a Virpil stick with no problem.

 

Of today commercialized game controllers for "flight games" the only that is depend of other controller for work, is X-52 stick, that depends on electronics on X-52 throttle since don't have his own USB controller.

 

For modern "flight games" - what not include modern games with flight "things", e.g. Bf series - you can mix controller devices as you want, e.g. stick for one brand, throttle for another, pedal for another, plus a DIY "button" box based on Arduino or commercial USB controller.

 

What you can't do is use a given brand keyboard emulation software (what one can live well if don't use) with other brand of joystick/throttle, e.g. Manager, SST, TARGET with other brands, but 3rd party like Joystick Gremlin allow this mix.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Sokol1

[Lombra]

So, it mentions further information regarding availability and shipping dates. When might we expect that? It wasn't mentioned anywhere that I know, but the store says available on December 12.

 

Also what's the deal with the version with the mini thumbstick? Is that something that's coming later, or simultaneously?

[VIRPILControls]

► VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle Update

 

VPC are continually pushing our desire to work as close as possible with the community to create the products that everyone wants to see.

 

 

It’s been made very clear to us that a high quality, multifunctional throttle unit is one of the community’s most anticipated products. As such we’ve realised our responsibility to provide our customers with a product that best meets their expectations.

 

We’ve been carefully reviewing the requests we received after our new VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle design was revealed, which led us to swapping a toggle switch for a 5 way mode toggle. This further increases the programmability found in the VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle.

 

We had also noted a very large number of requests for LED lighting on our throttle. Due to this, we’ve decided to redesign the housing, faceplates and electronics to accommodate the community’s desire for programmable LED lighting!

 

To facilitate these large changes to the VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle, we hugely regret that the target release date is now postponed until Q1 2018.

 

Updates including demonstrations of the LED lighting system will be revealed in the near future, along with confirmed release dates.

 

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to provide feedback and suggestions on the design of our products!

 

Stay tuned for further updates.

[No_85_Gramps]

Thanks for the update. I am really looking forward to purchasing one.

[sinned]

Good call to postpone. I will buy this. Thanks for such an awesome product.

[dburne]

Well the delay is a little disappointing, but sounds like for good reason. 

Probably for the best in my case, I am about spent out this month for Christmas shopping lol.

[Jade_Monkey]

Probably for the best in my case, I am about spent out this month for Christmas shopping lol.

 

Same!

 

I get to save a bit before it comes out!

I just ordered the Monstertech desk mount for the Mongoose which just came out. Its pricey but I find it more elegant.

[Jade_Monkey]

Can tou clarify what programmable means exactly?

 

Is it that you can change the lighting intensity on the labels? Different LED colors?

 

Does it interact with the games? (probbaly not without an API).

 

Just curious.

[MiK684]

Hi,

is there a coolie hat or sth. else for the middle or index finger, when u have the hand on the throttle?

 

Or is the layout mostly for the thumb and on the left throttle for the little finger?

[Sokol1]

One 4 way HAT in front of right throttle grip:

 

 

VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle Handles

• 4 x Buttons
• 2 x 2-way Switches
• 1 x 4-way + Push Hat or 1 x Analogue Mini-stick
• 1 x 4-way Hat
• 1 x Wheel Axis

[MiK684]

Haven't seen this picture so far    

Thank you Sokol1 

 

Question answered 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

It's all right. Just unfortunate you're missing the Christmas sale right now. The 5 way Mode toggle however should definitely be worth it. I can program 5 different planes on it then

[dburne]

Any more news on this offering?

Things have been a little quiet on the Virpil front of late.

[No_85_Gramps]

Last I heard it was delayed until the 1st qtr 2018. I think they were making some design changes.

[KoN_]

I'll be getting this .

[BP_Lizard]

:D

 

[Warpig]

Dear Virpil,

 

If I could make a suggestion, it would be to include all 4-way hats on the side of the throttle, rather than any 2-way switches. For me personally, it is a requirement to have at the very least, two 4-way hats available for assignment of mixture, prop pitch, and  air/oil radiator and cowl controls under my thumb. With two 4-way hats and the ministick/optional 4-way hat on the side, it would make your throttle that much more versatile and useful.

 

The desired outcome would allow something like this:

 

At the very least, I think it would be worth it to swap the 4-way hat that is on the back side of the throttle handle, for the vertical 2-way switch on the side.

 

Offering only 2-way switches on the side is not enough.

 

 

-My only other desire would be to include a center detente on the two Axis dials at the bottom left of the base, that would make them better suited for rudder and aileron trim axis assignments.

Edited January 17, 2018 by Warpig

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I'd prefer rotaries instead. My saitek x-55 has two of them and it helps a lot with no need to fiddle too much around the whole throttle. I find it useful particularly for zoom. 1-2 rotaries on throttle lever would really make this stick perfect for me.

[dburne]

I'd prefer rotaries instead. My saitek x-55 has two of them and it helps a lot with no need to fiddle too much around the whole throttle. I find it useful particularly for zoom. 1-2 rotaries on throttle lever would really make this stick perfect for me.

 

Agreed rotaries would be nice.

[Lombra]

Or maybe even make them a  return-to-center type of dial if that's possible. The point would be to make them dials as useful as possible for aileron/rudder trim assignments.

Would make them useless for anything else where you wouldn't want that, though. But a center detent would certainly be useful.

 

Isn't it easy to accidentally press the wrong button on 4 way hats?

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

All of the things you mention Warpig can be assigned to wheels in BOX (don't forget flaps).  So bring on the wheels.  That being said, I still agree with you that all the hats on the handle should be 4-way.  Hopefully, one or two of the front buttons can be assigned as "Shift" and/or "Control" to give another layer or two of assignment. 

[Warpig]

Would make them useless for anything else where you wouldn't want that, though. But a center detent would certainly be useful.

 

Isn't it easy to accidentally press the wrong button on 4 way hats?

In my experience, 4-way hats on the side of the throttle are very easy to use correctly. Mispresses are very rare for me while using the side hats on the X56 Rhino throttle for example. They are very handy to have.

 

I do wonder what types of controls the two axis dials would be useful for in their current state, if not used for trims?

Edited January 16, 2018 by Warpig

[Warpig]

All of the things you mention Warpig can be assigned to wheels in BOX (don't forget flaps).  So bring on the wheels.  That being said, I still agree with you that all the hats on the handle should be 4-way.  Hopefully, one or two of the front buttons can be assigned as "Shift" and/or "Control" to give another layer or two of assignment. 

I understand that. I just find it very useful (almost mandatory) to have these controls under my thumb.

 

BTW, I like to assign flaps to the two big buttons on the back side of the throttle handle. And pitch trim would be assigned to the switch also on the backside. That's the way I set it up on my X56 and it works very well.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I understand that. I just find it very useful (almost mandatory) to have these controls under my thumb.

 

 

 

Understood.  I have a CH Pro Throttle with 3 hat switches on the handle.  That's why I agreed with you, they are second nature which will be handy for VR.

[VIRPILControls]

► VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle - Off to Production!

 

The VIRPIL Controls team are proud to present the final version of the VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle, based on the modern Russian fighter jet.

 

Realising that a new throttle is one of the most anticipated flight sim devices, we introduced an early concept in October 2017 for feedback from the community. This version was tested at MAKS-2017, not only by ordinary visitors to the expo, but also combat pilots and members of the top aerobatic teams.

 

None of our previous devices have received as much feedback and community wishes as the VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle - the VIRPIL Controls team expresses great gratitude to all the virpils who took the time to provide feedback on the previously released concepts. Your help has enabled us to bring the VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle closer than ever to the ideal design!

 

 

 

The final revision changes:

• Added LED backlighting which includes 3 mode and can be disabled entirely.
• Throttle axis mechanics have been completely redesigned, and are fully adjustable. This includes a tension adjustment and each lever has 2 completely customisable (and removable) detents.
• The length of the throttle handle stem has been increased.
• The base layout has been modified; the base has been widened by 2cm to allow for more comfortable operation of all the available controls.
• The main LED modes are Red, Green and combined for the final mode. We would like to hear from the community how you would like the LEDs to operate (and controlled) so that we can make the firmware accordingly.
• Due to these extensive changes, there may be some change on the previously announced price - this will be confirmed closer to the release.
• The release is scheduled for the end of the Q1 2018.

Today - not just concepts, but renders of the final model are shown. These renders correspond to the exact model which has been sent for manufacture.

 

Unfortunately we were not able to fulfill every wish and desire for the VPC MongoosT-50® Throttle - however, the feedback will help shape our future products as well!

 

Stay tuned for further news on VPC products!

 

Thanks,

VIRPIL Controls

[kileab]

Nice, Nice !

[BP_Lizard]

Yes, I’ll take one, please.

Are those toggle switches momentary or latching?

[Jade_Monkey]

Yes, I’ll take one, please.

Are those toggle switches momentary or latching?

Three of each. The ones on the left are momentary, the two on the right are latching. My guess is that the one with the red cover is also latching.