Developer Diary, Part 174 - Discussion

[Uufflakke]

 

 

 

The silhouette of the La-5 FN shows the antenna at about a 110 degrees angle.

In the screenshot of this DD the antenna seems to be at 90 degrees.

The above b&w image might be wrong but till sofar I've only found images of La-5 FN types with the antenna at 110 degrees (except for its prototype).

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/la5fn.html

(scroll down to end of page for images)

 

[Finkeren]

The silhouette of the La-5 FN shows the antenna at about a 110 degrees angle.

In the screenshot of this DD the antenna seems to be at 90 degrees.

The above b&w image might be wrong but till sofar I've only found images of La-5 FN types with the antenna at 110 degrees (except for its prototype).

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/la5fn.html

(scroll down to end of page for images)

 

Well spotted, hadn't noticed that. Yeah it looks like a mistake that will have to be ironed out.

 

The reason for the forward slanting mast was, that the new canopy stretched further back than previously pushing the mast backwards, but the antenna cable had to be kept the same length. So the mast was always like that after the introduction of the new canopy.

[707shap_Srbin]

FYI:

Circle on the engine cowling: F engine.

Rhombus on the engine cowling - FN engine.

[Uufflakke]

FYI:

Circle on the engine cowling: F engine.

Rhombus on the engine cowling - FN engine.

 

Thanks for the information. 

Didn't know that.

 

So here is the correct image.

 

[707shap_Srbin]

Oh, little addition:

 

In the La-5F there was a sighn - white circle with letter Ф - F, to differ ASh-82-F engine and ASh-82.

 

When ASh-82-FN engine appeared, this circle included ФН - FN letter.

 

But after initial batch of aircrafts, sight was changed to rhombus with ФН letters.

 

So, looking on Your first photo, I would say it is early series of La-5FN.

Additionally, it has black-green camouflage, so it is definatly "before junly'43" aircraft.

Your second photo show La-5FN with gray NKAP'43 camouflage.

[Raptorattacker]

Aint this community just grrrreat, eh? Loads of comms, loads of info, I just couldn't fault it myself. It's what a gaming community should be like!!

Edited October 7, 2017 by Raptorattacker

[=CHN=Pochita]

la5fn, OMG! I waited for a long time, awesome

[Madov]

This aircraft becomes a symbol of ultimate victory on our front, similar to the T-34 down on the ground. As iconic to the Soviets as the Spitfire to the Brits in 1940.

[FTC_Etherlight]

I'm very happy to see that the SP Part of the game comes along nicely, because right now I basically just use the SP portion for a bit of quickmission dogfighting when I only have 5-10 minutes time and want to get some sticktime in. Flavour content and historical context go a very long way to get people involved in a SP experience, especially if it's procedurally generated to a degree or completely, very well done.

 

As a dedicated fan of the La-5, I'm obviously thrilled to fly the FN in the future, but I want to mention something while I'm here. I've been very happy with the pricing model of this game as I considered it fair and plausible. Premium planes (which are obv. on top of the full price game and additions) have always been a horizontal extension of the game that made it more varied and interesting. The La-5 for example when it came out was definitely not the best soviet plane, as was the FW not the best german plane. They were just very different from the other planes and performed better in other areas. Same goes for the Ju-52, the P40, the MC202, the Spit or the duck. The odd one out was the Yak-1B, which was definitely the best VVS fighter for a long time objectively. (Right now I consider the La-5 with unlimited boost and after the last big FM update to be equal) The 109 G6 will probably also not be the top dog, but from what I've read (and correct me if I'm wrong here ) the La-5FN might take that role for the VVS again.

Now again, I'm absolutely in favour of premium planes making gameplay more interesting and giving more variety to the game itself (I even bought the Ju-52 in a drunken stupor after watching an awesome video of paratrooper operations on TAW ^^), but I want to generelly caution to put the objectively "best performing" fighter/plane of a side behind a premium paywall in an already full priced title. While that is not an issue for SP gameplay, it might prove hurtful for the MP experience.

 

The FN still looks awesome tho. ^^

[216th_Jordan]

As for the german newspaper, maybe the name of it could be changed to something less afiliated with the nazi party (yes I know all media was controlled but there were better and worse newspapers).

A reason why this would make sense is that the articles also don't need to be as propagandisitic (immersion) and the change would be rather easy to implement.

 

Just a thought.

[Yankee_One]

Nice update,

 

but leave some surprises for Christmas

 

I am in, will buy both planes.

 

Nice work on the medals and newspaper.

 

Didnt flew the old campaign but the new one i definitely will.

[Livai]

 

La5FN... UFO is comming :O

 

 

(still gives me goosebumps just thinking about old IL2 days)

oh man i can already see the "La-5FN is OP" posts on the forums, its going to be crazy! well done and i cant wait for the career mode i loved it so much in RoF.

 

Source?

The plane even not released yet and already has UFO and OP branding.

 

Even the G-2 can beat the La-5 if you know what you doing and the enemy not!

 

Here the example video what I found looking around.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFjfpmbNoGw

[FTC_Etherlight]

Source?

The plane even not released yet and already has UFO and OP branding.

 

Even the G-2 can beat the La-5 if you know what you doing and the enemy not!

 

Here the example video what I found looking around.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFjfpmbNoGw

 

Nobody ever said that the G-2 cannot beat an La-5. Other than that, since that video is a year old it's basically worthless as evidence for basically anything in this day and age, since the FM's have been heavily reworked and the La-5 is a lot better today than it was before. People are not saying that "omg La-5FN op", they're saying that, looking at the performance of todays La-5 and what the La-5FN brings to the table in comparison to our La-5, it probably will outclass all other soviet fighters. Of course that's only speculation, but it's speculation based on the assumption that the La-5FN will relate to our La-5 like it does on paper. And people are often relating to their experiences from 1946 in jest. That's all.

[Danziger]

First people cry over nonhistorical medals then they cry over a historical newspaper...

 

Can you see how that could get annoying?

[LuftManu]

First people cry over nonhistorical medals then they cry over a historical newspaper...

 

Can you see how that could get annoying?

Most of them won´t even play SP

lol

[GPSpector]

Most of them won´t even play SP

lol

I would. That's all I play. From what I've seen, there are too many kids online that just want to ruin the experience.

First people cry over nonhistorical medals then they cry over a historical newspaper...

 

Can you see how that could get annoying?

 

There is a difference. When it comes to historical medals, if any developer wishes to sell in Germany and some of the items show swastikas, they must be removed or modified. So, it's not a matter of them wanting to create fictitious medals, it is that they have to, when it comes to WW2 German medals. 

 

Source?

The plane even not released yet and already has UFO and OP branding.

 

Even the G-2 can beat the La-5 if you know what you doing and the enemy not!

 

You do realize, any plane can beat any other plane if 1 pilot knows what to do and the other not.

Edited October 7, 2017 by GPSpector

[Danziger]

There is a difference. When it comes to historical medals, if any developer wishes to sell in Germany and some of the items show swastikas, they must be removed or modified. So, it's not a matter of them wanting to create fictitious medals, it is that they have to, when it comes to WW2 German medals.

All I'm saying is people are constantly clamoring for historical accuracy above all else and then complain about it when they get it.

 

The swastika is not present because it is illegal. Everything else is historically accurate.

 

Edit: This is a recreation of a historic war and it contains both sides. If you don't want to look at a nazi newspaper title why do you want to look at nazi warplanes, vehicles, uniforms, ships, flags and medals?

Edited October 7, 2017 by BorysVorobyov

[Inkophile]

I would. That's all I play. From what I've seen, there are too many kids online that just want to ruin the experience.

That REALLY depends on the server. For example Random Expert and Tactical Air War has pretty serious players overall, and even Wings of Liberty is most often quite decent. I really recommend trying MP.

[Danziger]

The silhouette of the La-5 FN shows the antenna at about a 110 degrees angle.

In the screenshot of this DD the antenna seems to be at 90 degrees.

The above b&w image might be wrong but till sofar I've only found images of La-5 FN types with the antenna at 110 degrees (except for its prototype).

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/la5fn.html

(scroll down to end of page for images)

 

 

I wasn't sure about this either. Han did say the 3d model was almost finished so maybe that is a little detail still left to finish.

[akp]

From the Soviet newspaper.

 

British Fall Back in Malaysia

 

It should be Malaya. The name Malaysia was adopted in 1963.

[MarcoPegase44]

Hello,

 

Thank you very much for this superb simaulation

 

question for developer about the new career system.

 

1 °) Will it be possible to manage the pilots and their skin when the player has a sufficient rank in his squadron ???.

2 °) Will the system manage the availability and number of planes according to losses, damage and maintenance ??

3) will it be possible to modify the skins of the AIs of all the units, in order to be able to use the skins made available to the skinners.

4) Will the Romanian, Italian and Hungarian units be available ??

5 ° For Stalingrad missions are planned against the ships crossing the Volga and theports on the Volga ????

 

Tanks very much

 

Thanks

[LLv24_Zami]

Newspapers looks good! Career mode looks better and better with every DD. Have I said I can't wait to try it?!?

 

And a new planes are always welcomed news to me

Edited October 8, 2017 by Zami

[pilotpierre]

I yam flagergasted I yam.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Why don´t you let the swastikas be in the medals? It looks so cheesy and unrealistic without them. 

I do not want to start this discussion again but maybe a simple button in the interface to activate them or deactivate them ...

Right now the only option is NO. Maybe every player should have the possibility to choose if you wanna have them or not. Or maybe an optional patch to download and install for countries where we can have them as historical symbols in books, games, etc.

Edited October 8, 2017 by -=PHX=-Spartan-

[Finkeren]

Why don´t you leave the swastikas in the medals? It looks so cheesy and unrealistic without them.

I do not want to start this discussion again but maybe a simple button in the interface to activate them or deactivate them ...

Right now the only option is NO. Maybe every player should have the possibility to choose if you wanna have them or not. Or maybe an optional patch to download and install for countries where we can have them as historical symbols in books, games, etc.

Legal issues in several countries. Nothing to do about it.

 

Maybe someday when they find a proper way to open for mods, but until then this topic needs to die.

[Custard]

Why don´t you let the swastikas be in the medals? It looks so cheesy and unrealistic without them.

Not this again...

[MrNoice]

wouldnt it be possible to add those swastikas with a small addon  where the devs are saying its not allowed in germany ? 

[curiousGamblerr]

wouldnt it be possible to add those swastikas with a small addon where the devs are saying its not allowed in germany ?

Possible maybe but not at all worth their time most likely. Just wait for mods, it's literally never happening from the devs themselves, they've said as much. o7

[Finkeren]

wouldnt it be possible to add those swastikas with a small addon where the devs are saying its not allowed in germany ?

No mods allowed for the game, so no.

[Royal_Flight]

I value historical accuracy but I'm happy to go without them. Not a big loss.

Only downside is it makes the Finnish aircraft markings look ridiculous, which is a shame as (if I recall correctly) their markings had nothing to do with nazism.

 

But it's no great loss and if this was the only ahistorical thing in-game I doubt anyone would be greatly bothered.

Edited October 8, 2017 by Royal_Flight

[707shap_Srbin]

 

 

wouldnt it be possible to add those swastikas with a small addon  where the devs are saying its not allowed in germany ? 

 

 

their markings had nothing to do with nazism.

Not again this bullsh#t, please.

Edited October 8, 2017 by I./ZG1_Panzerbar

[Aap]

Not again this bullsh#t, please.

It is not bullsh#t really.

It should be very clear for everybody that Finnish swastikas had nothing to do with nazism. They were in use already before NSDAP was even founded and the origins of it are known and have nothing to do with nazis.

But the topic itself is of course useless, as it has been covered many times and we know that there will be no swastikas of any kind in the official product.

[MrNoice]

 

 

Not again this bullsh#t, please.

 

not again this bullsh#t please.,,

 

 

its historical correct and thats the only reason we should be able to  mod them in  if the devs will allow Mods ...

[Finkeren]

not again this bullsh#t please.,,

 

 

its historical correct and thats the only reason we should be able to mod them in if the devs will allow Mods ...

Once the devs find a format to implement a mods-on mode (which is something they have said they want to do) you can add all the swastikas you like.

 

Until then, this discussion is fruitless.

[Bullets]

Once the devs find a format to implement a mods-on mode (which is something they have said they want to do) you can add all the swastikas you like.

 

Until then, this discussion is fruitless.

 

In before swastika propellers   

[Danziger]

I for one think the FN and the newspapers kick ass. I can't wait to try out the new planes and career mode.

[LLv24_Zami]

I for one think the FN and the newspapers kick ass. I can't wait to try out the new planes and career mode.

I`s been a while since I have waited something on the gaming front as eagerly as the new career mode 

Edited October 8, 2017 by Zami

[ST_ami7b5]

I`s been a while since I have waited something on the gaming front as eager as the new career mode 

Let's hope we will try it soon

[LLv24_Zami]

Let's hope we will try it soon

Not far away, I can feel it 

[707shap_Srbin]

It is not bullsh#t really.

It should be very clear for everybody that Finnish swastikas had nothing to do with nazism. They were in use already before NSDAP was even founded and the origins of it are known and have nothing to do with nazis.

But the topic itself is of course useless, as it has been covered many times and we know that there will be no swastikas of any kind in the official product.

 

Several german pilots used swastika on their aircrafts in 1914-18 as personal emblems.

Finnish air forses used swastika from 1918(?) to 1944.

Latvian air forses used swastika from 1920'th to 1940.

Soviet Kalmyk cavalry squadrons used swastika in 1919-1921:

 

 

 

 

Badge of Soviet Russian Federation Army in 1919-20:

 

 

 

 

 

If we will look on money of Vremennoe Pravitelstvo period in Russia, we will see:

 

 

 

 

 

But during World War II, swastika became a simbol of Nazism. Ideology of racial supremacy. Annigilation of all unhumans, all "lower races".

That is why it was banned. Even Finnish air forses changed its national insignia.

 

And this meaning of swastika is still actual. So please dont tell me bullsh#t, please. Tired of freaking revisionism here. I hope, Nurnberg court made a period in that issue.