Tactical Air War

[JFS4_Eisbaer]

@ =AS=Ambroz

Respect for the great performance with the A-20 on the blue depot. It was a long and difficult fight. Too bad you couldn't bail out when your plane exploded. I hope you'll get more luck next time.

Greetings JG4_Eisbär

[=AD=Str1ke]

Friendly fire on air field, i think he must get a ban for that!

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=86500&name=-=RedS=-Str1ke

[SCG_Wulfe]

yup looks good to me.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

The war's over.

[=LG/F=Kathon]

14 hours ago, -=RedS=-Str1ke said:

Friendly fire on air field, i think he must get a ban for that!

http://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=86500&name=-=RedS=-Str1ke

done.

[SV7_Vase]

guys one question, do light tanks of random AA count for statistic for winning conditions?

if yes, how many tanks does the german random AA group has? 

[7.GShAP/Kamm]

8 hours ago, SV7_Vase said:

guys one question, do light tanks of random AA count for statistic for winning conditions?

if yes, how many tanks does the german random AA group has? 

The german random troop positions usually contain two PzKpfw 38t light tanks. They do count towards the overall tanks stats. 

[=KG76=flyus747]

anyone been getting disconnected a lot lately? Cannot complete a single sortie. 

 

I tried WOL and could play for hours with no issue.

Edited May 12, 2020 by =KG76=flyus747

[ECV56_Palex]

I want to report to administrators an intentional disconection by ITAF_Germankill. I find very bad a pilot uses this tricks to keep a streak and 0 deaths. He attacked me near Stalingrad Shkolniy aerodrome and when he lose his advantage i catch him and when he sees i'm about to shoot he disconects. Punish this actions please.

This is the track: http://www.mediafire.com/file/4625eunkhg1ya48/ITAF_Germankill_Disco.rar/file
Logfile: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=89055&name=ITAF_Germankill

I know ITAF is very respected people but i never heard of this Germankiller before. Shame on you.

[SV7_Vase]

10 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Kamm said:

The german random troop positions usually contain two PzKpfw 38t light tanks. They do count towards the overall tanks stats. 

can any one explain me how it is possible that 19gvFab destroy with 3 players within 2h over 40 light tanks? i guess in random groups there are many SonderKfz which also counts as a light tank. 

can post screenshots if some one need it

[Coldman]

2 light tanks per random sqaud. Armored vehicles do not count to tanks. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by =LG=Coldmanovich

[SV7_Vase]

18 minutes ago, =LG=Coldmanovich said:

2 light tanks per random sqaud. Armored vehicles do not count to tanks. 

thx Coldmanovic. but can u give me an answer pls, where did 19GvFab found over 40 light tanks in one round?

the 3rd guy leaved alredy.

 

btw, just saw a german random group, cant see any PzKpfw 38t....

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by SV7_Vase

[Coldman]

light armored is not only light tanks but every armored halftruck etc. But not every light armored counts as tank . Clear?

[III/JG52_Speedwulf77]

2 hours ago, Airshow_Flyer said:

I want to report to administrators an intentional disconection by ITAF_Germankill. I find very bad a pilot uses this tricks to keep a streak and 0 deaths. He attacked me near Stalingrad Shkolniy aerodrome and when he lose his advantage i catch him and when he sees i'm about to shoot he disconects. Punish this actions please.

This is the track: http://www.mediafire.com/file/4625eunkhg1ya48/ITAF_Germankill_Disco.rar/file
Logfile: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=89055&name=ITAF_Germankill

I know ITAF is very respected people but i never heard of this Germankiller before. Shame on you.

Hi, seems that you are not the only one complaining about ITAF Germankill...  same complaing about ITAF germankill  occured when i was flying some days ago...   skv atochi was chasing him as he noticed he was on his back ready to shoot--- disco...     THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE GAMEKILLER ISSUE!!!     i hate this...  specially on TAW where you are 50 min without seein nobody and when you finally see one at the moment you are about to shoot , he disapears to finally apear in the stats as "big boy"

  This has happen to me also several times , with other players , another of the things why i have lost fun on TAW....

and afterwards allthe discussion about ..."..my internet, my joystick..."  cmon   ..  specially on TAW you are 90% of the time alone  and when a enemy apears on your 6 your joystick, internet whatever...  GO PLAY playmobil or LEGO !

Edited May 12, 2020 by SPEEDWULF77

[ITAF_Rani]

31 minutes ago, SPEEDWULF77 said:

Hi, seems that you are not the only one complaining about ITAF Germankill...  same complaing about ITAF germankill  occured when i was flying some days ago...   skv atochi was chasing him as he noticed he was on his back ready to shoot--- disco...     THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE GAMEKILLER ISSUE!!!     i hate this...  specially on TAW where you are 50 min without seein nobody and when you finally see one at the moment you are about to shoot , he disapears to finally apear in the stats as "big boy"

  This has happen to me also several times , with other players , another of the things why i have lost fun on TAW....

and afterwards allthe discussion about ..."..my internet, my joystick..."  cmon   ..  specially on TAW you are 90% of the time alone  and when a enemy apears on your 6 your joystick, internet whatever...  GO PLAY playmobil or LEGO !

Germankill is our skilled and very correct pilot...he suffered about several disconnection ( like me) but not caused by his intention..I know many other suffered a lot of disco today

Edited May 12, 2020 by ITAF_Rani

[SCG_Wulfe]

Disconnection is happening a lot. With everyone at home and using bandwidth, many networks and hubs are very overtaxed. 

 

I personally have connection issues almost every night. 

 

I almost wonder if the solution to a 0-damage disconnect would be to have the plane go into auto-level (if parameters allow) and hold for 10 seconds. This would give you that chance to quick put damage into a plane that really should have been hit and score a kill before the disco, or if the plane is relatively safe, it would likely be a non-issue.  

[HR_Tumu]

SV7_Vase

 

Seems u are surprise about this performance. 40 Tanks killed by 3 pilots in 2 hours.

 

2 are main factors.

 

Level skill of pilots Who attack tanks

Level skill of pilots who deffend tanks.

 

In this case 19Fab are really skilled pilots.

 

  Me for example have a less level... and i can kill 6/8 tanks in a single sortie. In 2 sorties are 12/16 tanks, 3 pilots like me can kill easy 36/48 tanks...

 

The next question is... Who was defending this columns.?

 

 

[E69_Soec]

13 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Kamm said:

The german random troop positions usually contain two PzKpfw 38t light tanks. They do count towards the overall tanks stats. 

Now I understand better what's happening here...

3 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

The next question is... Who was defending this columns.?

 

Between 3-6AM european time... Probably noone

[SV7_Vase]

2 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

SV7_Vase

 

Seems u are surprise about this performance. 40 Tanks killed by 3 pilots in 2 hours.

 

2 are main factors.

 

Level skill of pilots Who attack tanks

Level skill of pilots who deffend tanks.

 

In this case 19Fab are really skilled pilots.

 

  Me for example have a less level... and i can kill 6/8 tanks in a single sortie. In 2 sorties are 12/16 tanks, 3 pilots like me can kill easy 36/48 tanks...

 

The next question is... Who was defending this columns.?

 

 

seem Fab19 attak only random group because there are often only light tanks in their sortie statistic..u dont neet skill for that kind of job

[HR_Tumu]

Ok, i think understand you point.

 

You talk about Light tanks on random positions... no? In this case i think is more easy kill the tanks. I agree.

 

But they can because tanks are here and i imagine they dont find opposition.

 

One questions for Admins, Russian random position are armed with 2 lights tanks  too ?

 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

33 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

 ...many networks and hubs are very overtaxed. 

 

 

Hate to tell you but, it's more than likely ISP throttling and the network is fine.  

[E69_Soec]

5 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

Ok, i think understand you point.

 

You talk about Light tanks on random positions... no? In this case i think is more easy kill the tanks. I agree.

 

But they can because tanks are here and i imagine they dont find opposition.

 

One questions for Admins, Russian random position are armed with 2 lights tanks  too ?

 

As you already know, yes, 2 BT7 usually. And as you indirectly suggest, yes, blues could also take random position as primary targets .

Edited May 12, 2020 by E69_Soec

[SCG_Wulfe]

14 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

Hate to tell you but, it's more than likely ISP throttling and the network is fine.  

 

Well of course it is throttling, but it's throttling based on the network being over capacity.  

 

For example, I have a perfectly fine connection for the majority of the day, but as soon as 7-8pm hits. It slows to a crawl as everyone gets on their high priority traffic stuff like Netflix etc... (ISPs tend to favour big streaming services). 

 

I have had some success using a VPN to get around the traffic shaping but even this is often still slowed to a crawl and that tells me the network is just getting bogged down. I've never seen it this bad until the last month or so. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by SCG_Wulfe

[HR_Tumu]

exactly soec

 

Primary objective is the same than finally objective... i mean win map?

 

I think yes, in this case, dont exist concrete primary objective.... or if you want, your best way to win map is your primary objective.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

3 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

 

Well of course it is throttling, but it's throttling based on the network being over capacity.  

 

 

 

I suppose in Canada that may be the case but, currently in the U.S. even with "net neutrality" defeated, we are currently running just over pre-throttling rates (even with some ISPs throttling) and everything is fine.  Maybe the network isn't as robust as us in the south but, I'm skeptical that the hardware in your area can't handle it.

[SCG_Wulfe]

5 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

I suppose in Canada that may be the case but, currently in the U.S. even with "net neutrality" defeated, we are currently running just over pre-throttling rates (even with some ISPs throttling) and everything is fine.  Maybe the network isn't as robust as us in the south but, I'm skeptical that the hardware in your area can't handle it.

 

Well admittedly I'm a bit of a special case. I'm in a rural area running on point-to-point cell tower internet. It's always been a bit touch and go. 

 

Unfortunately, (fortunately?) I don't have the luxury of urban fiber networks with huge capacity. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by SCG_Wulfe

[Real_NBD]

Hello all, I'd like to give another 2 cents on the topic of the "lives" system.

I recently picked up IL2 after many years, and the most fun I've had is on the TAW server. The progression, immersion and level of play makes every other server feel unimportant.

However, the "lives" system absolutely is preventing me from playing as much as I'd like. I like to play ground attack, and you often die in that role no matter how well you do it. Also, considering I've been flying solo, almost all fights end in 1vX against much more experienced opposition, with often predictable results.

 

Thus, the 20 hour time penalty not only removes players from the server, it also encourages overly passive play as dying is punished super hard. Many players don't get any victories during a mission simply because they don't want to risk it. Surely this is not the type of gameplay anyone enjoys. Moreover, the 20 hour time penalty feels massively unfair in the occasions you get oneshotted by AAA or a gunner.

 

I'd suggest either removing "lives" system completely, giving 1 extra life per mission, or making the time penalty, say 4 hours. Kamikaze must be prevented and the server should not become casual, but ruining someones entire day for playing the game just makes the server really unattractive to new players.

[ECV56_Palex]

1 hour ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Germankill is our skilled and very correct pilot...he suffered about several disconnection ( like me) but not caused by his intention..I know many other suffered a lot of disco today

This is no excuse. He had no internet problems when he was at my 6 and he started to have problems when i was at his 6?. Did you watch track i attached? This is a clear disco to prevent losing his streak, he was very far from his lines. Skv_Atochi claims this happened to him too, when he is at ITAF_Germankill 6, he disconects. After he disconected he rejoined the server. I warned him i was going to post this at forums and after that he faked 2 more disconections and left 1 minute after take off, but we didn't see any server message before he disconections so he is not very good at lying. He has already two complaints about disconecting when someone is at his six ready to shoot him down. @=LG=Kathon if you don't punish this actions people will never stop doing it.

 

ITAF_Rani i don't see an user called Germankill in your squadron lineup at your website, and i don't see Germankill in any other server like Wings of Liberty. Is he a new member or he has another nickname? What is his real nickname?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

6 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

 

Well admittedly I'm a bit of a special case. I'm in a rural area running on Point-to-point cell tower internet. It's always been a bit touch and go. 

 

Unfortunately, (fortunately?) I don't have the luxury of urban fiber networks with huge capacity. 

 

I'm on simple cable here.  Still fast as I need.   

The US is a bit of an oddity for sure.  It could be said that we have world-class network in some areas, and we have worst-in-the-world network in other areas.

My service is middle-of-the-road and I've noticed no difference.  

 

 I can see how cell internet is a bit different and less reliable - especially since the weather doesn't seem to match the season this year.  

Edited May 12, 2020 by 69th_Mobile_BBQ

[SCG_Wulfe]

Just now, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

I'm on simple cable here.  Still fast as I need.   

The US is a bit of an oddity for sure.  It could be said that while we have world-class network in some areas, and we have worst-in-the-world network in other areas.

My service is middle-of-the-road and I've noticed no difference.  

 

 I can see how cell internet is a bit different and less reliable - especially since the weather doesn't seem to match the season this year.  

 

Yep, grew up in the suburbs with cable internet. Never had internet issues like I do here. The network is generally pretty overloaded to begin with (too many customers jammed onto each tower), with many people staying home, it's much worse. 

 

Fingers crossed they run a fiber line down my concession someday soon. There is literally a road about 1km down the road from me that has a fiber line. I can see it out my window across our field!

[RedKestrel]

5 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

 

Yep, grew up in the suburbs with cable internet. Never had internet issues like I do here. The network is generally pretty overloaded to begin with (too many customers jammed onto each tower), with many people staying home, it's much worse. 

 

Fingers crossed they run a fiber line down my concession someday soon. There is literally a road about 1km down the road from me that has a fiber line. I can see it out my window across our field!

I feel your pain. I am out in a rural area and have wireless-tower internet as well. It makes for atrocious ping rates to a lot of servers - at one point even Combat Box in NA was almost 100. Now it is 35-40 mostly. We will likely never have fiber, but better bandwidth for the towers is apparently coming. 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

7 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

 

Fingers crossed they run a fiber line down my concession someday soon. There is literally a road about 1km down the road from me that has a fiber line. I can see it out my window across our field!

 

God, that's like a sane man staring out of the window of an asylum at the free, green field outside.   

[E69_Soec]

29 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

exactly soec

 

Primary objective is the same than finally objective... i mean win map?

 

I think yes, in this case, dont exist concrete primary objective.... or if you want, your best way to win map is your primary objective.

Ok, then, I hope I don't ever see anyone killing his own tanks for winning the map

[HR_Tumu]

Be aware Soec , all is posible on this place.

 

Autokill tanks, off course is a option.... 

 

.... and disconnect every time you are close to be defeated is another good option... This ITAF_Germankill is really suspicius.

 

Why not?

Who matter fair play ?

 

Lately... TAW becomes a bit toxic place.

 

 

 

 

 

[E69_Soec]

12 minutes ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

Be aware Soec , all is posible on this place.

 

Autokill tanks, off course is a option.... 

 

.... and disconnect every time you are close to be defeated is another good option... This ITAF_Germankill is really suspicius.

 

Why not?

Who matter fair play ?

 

Lately... TAW becomes a bit toxic place.

I don't know... I've also found a Pe2 and one A20 disco when I was intercepting them... but that's not common, it's quite rare and in any case I stopped their attack to the depots so it's fine. I don't think TAW can do much more with that issue. Like chute killing, is something that you only notice in the rival team.

 

However, I think that using 'exploits' of the rules can be avoided. I plan a coordinated attack to destroy an enemy tank column protected by huge AAA and red fighters to kill the same tanks as 2 IL2 alone far in the front, with ridiculous AAA, attacking indefensible front random troops. Now I understand the results. Anyway, the main issue is, who will care about main targets then? It's all about killing the tanks in the random positions, then you can just 99% win or draw the map.

 

I don't know, but imho, those tanks shouldn't count in the tanks limit, this will focus people into the real TAW targets. If we were in a full server all the time could be different. And I'm not saying this because I'm flying blue (I flew it and I'll fly red next), I don't care about winning or losing the taw, I care about making it more interesting and avoiding weird scenarios like killing your own tanks or exploiting gaps in the rules. Of course it's fair, of course I can do it too, but I don't think this is the objective here.

[HR_Tofolo]

6 hours ago, Airshow_Flyer said:

I want to report to administrators an intentional disconection by ITAF_Germankill. I find very bad a pilot uses this tricks to keep a streak and 0 deaths. He attacked me near Stalingrad Shkolniy aerodrome and when he lose his advantage i catch him and when he sees i'm about to shoot he disconects. Punish this actions please.

This is the track: http://www.mediafire.com/file/4625eunkhg1ya48/ITAF_Germankill_Disco.rar/file
Logfile: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=89055&name=ITAF_Germankill

I know ITAF is very respected people but i never heard of this Germankiller before. Shame on you.

 

 

Hahaha the cockpitless astronaut, when he gets caught pulls the cable. Someone give this brave pilot a medal

[=FSB=Man-Yac]

1 hour ago, E69_Soec said:

 

However, I think that using 'exploits' of the rules can be avoided. I plan a coordinated attack to destroy an enemy tank column protected by huge AAA and red fighters to kill the same tanks as 2 IL2 alone far in the front, with ridiculous AAA, attacking indefensible front random troops. Now I understand the results. Anyway, the main issue is, who will care about main targets then? It's all about killing the tanks in the random positions, then you can just 99% win or draw the map.

 

I don't know, but imho, those tanks shouldn't count in the tanks limit, this will focus people into the real TAW targets. If we were in a full server all the time could be different. And I'm not saying this because I'm flying blue (I flew it and I'll fly red next), I don't care about winning or losing the taw, I care about making it more interesting and avoiding weird scenarios like killing your own tanks or exploiting gaps in the rules. Of course it's fair, of course I can do it too, but I don't think this is the objective here.

You realize that blue can do the same yes? I attacked random units quite a bit early this taw as a blue attacker and so did many others. If both team can do it I don't see how it affects balance.. And by getting those tanks you are not delaying the real tank advances so it has major drawbacks of using this as a useful strategy.

 

You understand the results? If you think that affected  this campaign you are a fool, the thing to understand was most good ground attack squad were flying red and doing a superb job covering their is-2s, oh i mean il-2s but pretty sure they have same armor now lol.

 

I personally love the random units, and I think there should be a lot more of hidden objectives on the map. Such as important bridges, convoys,.. especially in the backlines ( or that most objectives are hidden and you must fly recon to spot them oh yesss).

 

[72AG_Atochi]

8 часов назад, Airshow_Flyer сказал:

I want to report to administrators an intentional disconection by ITAF_Germankill. I find very bad a pilot uses this tricks to keep a streak and 0 deaths. He attacked me near Stalingrad Shkolniy aerodrome and when he lose his advantage i catch him and when he sees i'm about to shoot he disconects. Punish this actions please.

This is the track: http://www.mediafire.com/file/4625eunkhg1ya48/ITAF_Germankill_Disco.rar/file
Logfile: https://taw.stg2.de/pilot_sortie.php?id=89055&name=ITAF_Germankill

I know ITAF is very respected people but i never heard of this Germankiller before. Shame on you.

http://taw-server.de/ru/pilot_sortie.php?id=83568&name=ITAF_Germankill - дисканулся во время атаки.

 

Он проатаковал меня. Мой напарник сел ему на "6" и он вышел из игры. Не знаю - это намеренно или специально. Но раз это не в первый раз))))

 

diskenesia during the attack.

He attacked me. My partner sat on his "6" and he quit the game. I don't know if this is intentional or deliberate. But this isn't the first time)))).

 

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[SV7_Vase]

5 hours ago, 666GIAP_Tumu said:

SV7_Vase

 

Seems u are surprise about this performance. 40 Tanks killed by 3 pilots in 2 hours.

 

2 are main factors.

 

Level skill of pilots Who attack tanks

Level skill of pilots who deffend tanks.

 

In this case 19Fab are really skilled pilots.

 

  Me for example have a less level... and i can kill 6/8 tanks in a single sortie. In 2 sorties are 12/16 tanks, 3 pilots like me can kill easy 36/48 tanks...

 

The next question is... Who was defending this columns.?

 

 

my qustions are

 

why random groups are different on blue and red? (postet a screeshot of a german randon group)

where did  3 Fab19 guys found over 40 light tanks in 2 hours?

does SdKfz count as a light tank or as a truck?

does the kill count has an effect on overall win situation?

 

 

 

 

 

[E69_Soec]

45 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

You realize that blue can do the same yes? I attacked random units quite a bit early this taw as a blue attacker and so did many others. If both team can do it I don't see how it affects balance.. And by getting those tanks you are not delaying the real tank advances so it has major drawbacks of using this as a useful strategy.

 

2 hours ago, E69_Soec said:

And I'm not saying this because I'm flying blue (I flew it and I'll fly red next), I don't care about winning or losing the taw, I care about making it more interesting and avoiding weird scenarios like killing your own tanks or exploiting gaps in the rules. Of course it's fair, of course I can do it too, but I don't think this is the objective here.

 

 

48 minutes ago, =FSB=Man-Yac said:

You understand the results? If you think that affected  this campaign you are a fool, the thing to understand was most good ground attack squad were flying red and doing a superb job covering their is-2s, oh i mean il-2s but pretty sure they have same armor now lol.

I don't think I'm a fool, if blues lost a map and draw other by tanks limit and 2 reds can kill 20 tanks / 2h... well. I think it's a factor, at least, to be considered. But stop treating me as if I was complaining because my team lost TAW, I give a shit. I just mention what I consider would improve the experience, that's it.