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IL-2 STURMOVIK : BATTLE OF KUBAN

Battle for the Kuban  

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  1. 1. This would make a great follow on expansion

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    • Yes however I have suggestiosn for s different plane set
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    • Maybe after a different theatre or war
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That coupled with realistic torpedo modelling that causes it to break-up if launched outside of parameters and with a little bit of a random factor, I can smell the threads complaining after six Heinkels come low and slow on a convoy just to see five shot down, only three torpedoes actually working and a single one hitting anything without causing mortal damage, and then the sole surviving Heinkel gets shot down by 'OP' M4 cannon from 'totally unrealistic' and 'arcade WT flight modelling' P-39, because according to 'multiple sources from the USAAF' the 'P-39 was actually crap' and 'here it's a total ace maker, totally biased for balance, please fix now or it will ruin this franchise forever' and 'if u dont fix this fkn joke i'll tell my sqdr to never buy this again, we're going back to WT now'. That and the numerous bug reports on the P-39 stalling too easily and the 'flat spin bug' because 'I read it in the manual that if I spin the stick 4 times and say abracadabra it stops' but 'this FM is totally broke' :popcorm:

 

I think the game engine isn't capable to realistically model the ship AAA, same as it isn't capable modeling the AAA on land. AAA/Flak is way less apparent then it was in real life. I guess it would be the same for ships. After all, you will barely see big formations in multiplayer, maybe apart from stuff like the FNBF, you will mostly see bombers flying alone or in two. It doesn't make sense to attack ships that way, when they are realistically modeled. When the ships can concentrate all their fire on only a few incoming aircraft, the aircraft have no chance. But in other sims like 1946 and CloD, ship AAA is modeled lesser, i think it would be the same in BoS.

I don't think the cannon of the P39 will be a problem, after all i saw nobody ever complaining about the Lagg/IL2 23/37mm. If they don't change their approach in modeling engine limitations (meaning using peace time manual), the P39 won't be better then Lagg. That's what i'll fear most currently, when looking forward to a Kuban scenario.

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To be honest the whole thing was a bit of a joke, since there is always some complaining about 'sniper flak' from ground attack squadrons and you can always find a smartass to complain about anything the second they are shot down.

 

I hold hope for the engine limits, even because Luke (who compiled some of the P-40 documentation from the States for the team) recently passed on a more up-to-date manual to the developers with far more generous limits, courtesy of a forum member who found it, so those should be tweaked before the BoM release as it happened with other parts of the P-40 modelling like the MP limiter. On top of that, considering the P-39's widespread use in the Eastern Front it's much easier for the developers themselves to find accurate period documentation from front-line and rear units specifying the acceptable limits to balance out engine wear and the available supply.

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I hold hope for the engine limits, even because Luke (who compiled some of the P-40 documentation from the States for the team) recently passed on a more up-to-date manual to the developers with far more generous limits, courtesy of a forum member who found it, so those should be tweaked before the BoM release as it happened with other parts of the P-40 modelling like the MP limiter. On top of that, considering the P-39's widespread use in the Eastern Front it's much easier for the developers themselves to find accurate period documentation from front-line and rear units specifying the acceptable limits to balance out engine wear and the available supply.

Your words i gods mouth mate. The P40 should be a quite capable fighter for BoM. After all, there has to be a reason that multiple Russian fighter groups using I16 and Mig3 have been upgraded to P40E, when they arrived. Anyway, don't wanna drag that off topic. 

Properly modeled Kobra (and properly modeled 190 A5, with 1.65 ata if late summer scenario), and ground attack planes like Hs129 and A20 and i'd prefer Kuban over any western scenario

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All in its due time, I think :)

 

Vorobyov, here's hoping they get that P-39 dead right so you won't have to pull your hair out while examining the 3D model!

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Your words i gods mouth mate. The P40 should be a quite capable fighter for BoM. After all, there has to be a reason that multiple Russian fighter groups using I16 and Mig3 have been upgraded to P40E, when they arrived. Anyway, don't wanna drag that off topic. 

Properly modeled Kobra (and properly modeled 190 A5, with 1.65 ata if late summer scenario), and ground attack planes like Hs129 and A20 and i'd prefer Kuban over any western scenario

If they get those four right and upgrade the P-40 I'll be pretty happy. Might even jump into a "Soviet" fighter if the P-40 is moderately competitive.

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All in its due time, I think :)

Vorobyov, here's hoping they get that P-39 dead right so you won't have to pull your hair out while examining the 3D model!

Hahaha I only did that because I have an unhealthy obsession with the MiG. I'll leave the other planes to someone else :)

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I strongly disagree with you - there is no such thing as an unhealthy obsession with the MiG-3, it is only unhealthy to not love it :biggrin: If we do get a Kuban it'll be jolly to see just about all aircraft from BoM to Kuban flying together in historically correct settings, including the MiG jockeys, I-16s and Emils.

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What if the only time I love the MiG 3 is when I am sidling up behind one?

 

Braaaaap chuga chuga chuga chuga!!!

 

It's a crazy kinda love.

 

;)

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MiG-karma will get you!

 

Another short update from the Stebas Kuban campaign that shows the potential of this - the air engagements in Kuban on a similar scale and concentration to the Battle of Britain, for reference.

 

Operating from Gelendzhik supporting troops advancing on the coastal road to Novorossiysk (a tiny, tiny stretch of land), I took up three MiGs to cover the rifle divisions from bomber attacks. In that same tiny stretch was an Il-2 pounding artillery emplacements, a pair of LaGG-3s, another three MiGs and two-three I-16s. Right after climbing I saw our AAA chasing something followed by an explosion - Stukas. My flight dived on them. Somebody called fighters on the radio, I couldn't get a visual however. The Stukas as customary were easy picking, and I and the flak finished them quickly. I noticed the aforementioned fighters. Our Ishaks were grilling them nicely and once the LaGGs arrived they were done for. Climbed back to 2000m flying over the base to prepare the second circle. More fighters enter the target area. I turn around and we engage again. ShKAS fire from the ground hits me and I lose some instruments - nothing major. I bring down a Messer. The other falls to Lavochkin fire. Climb out again, ready to land now since the fuel tank is in its last quarter and we are to be relieved from our duties anyway. As we point the flight to base, the flak near it opens up - more 109s. No choice but to fight them, otherwise they'll get us on final. We attack again and I get one. My flight gets separated through a cloud. An I-16 falls down on fire. I look around to see a 109 hitting my MiG from behind, and dive away after failing to out-scissor it. Seems I made it, I see my other two MiGs on the deck covering me. A LaGG forces the 109 to dive to avoid being hit, and that's when two I-16s ambush it and rip it to shreds with their ShVAKs. The burning wreck falls past me as I head to the runway smoking. Flaps down, I see the gear is stuck - no problem, I'll belly land then. I relieve my flight from covering and pull a smooth crash-landing besides the runway. As I come to a stop I hear another flight announce more fighters incoming! Fortunately for me and my flight we were not on duty anymore.

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Hi Guys,

 

What would the map of this battle look like? Is it the region south of Stalingrad? Near the Black Sea?

 

Grt Martijn

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Depends if the Kerch should be included as it is also part of Crimea map.Those 2 battlefields overlap each other.The best would be combined map of Crimea and Kuban,but that would be too much for one map,I guess.

IMO roughly triangle Kerch-Krasnodar-Tuapse for Kuban.

If we talk about air battle as such (one of the biggest and most intensive in WW2) it should be april-june (17.4.- 7.6.1943) time period.Starting with german operation Neptune with aim to destroy Myshako bridgehead threatening Novorossijsk.Famous "Malaya Zemlya" fightings.

 

https://mamayevkurgan.wordpress.com/2013/08/06/malaya-zemlya-memorial-complex-novorossiysk-russia/

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Extending the Kerch peninsula towards Feodosia would bring more flexibility to such map,as I mentioned before.It could be used for early 41/42 scenario (fighting over soviet bridgehead at Kerch) and 1943 fighting over german line of defence, "Blue line" on Kuban and Taman peninsula.

Kerch straight dividing Taman and Kerch was a  transport/evacuation water bridge both sides were using.

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An aircraft that would add a lot of value is the Rama(Fw-189). Pesky bastards, even having them as AI would be killer, considering the constant battles between Soviet interceptors, the Fw-189 and its loyal escorts.

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An aircraft that would add a lot of value is the Rama(Fw-189). Pesky bastards, even having them as AI would be killer, considering the constant battles between Soviet interceptors, the Fw-189 and its loyal escorts.

He-111H-6 

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They will likely upgrade the BoS and BoM He-111H-6 and Ju-88A-4 to include torpedoes as a loadout option since those were the main Luftwaffe torpedo bombers. This may sound childish but I can't wait to rip apart torpedo bombers in their slow, low straight line to target, independent of the map this happens in.

 

There was this great old Il-2 campaign called Arctic Hunters (download it here, courtesy of Phil_K) and one of the missions involved taking your P-39s over the water to welcome convoy JW58. Everything runs smooth until a party of Heinkels shows up to spoil the party, together with their Messerschmitt escorts. On our side we are joined by scrambling Fleet Air Arm Marlets from an escort carrier. The radio exploded with English and Russian, and with our .50s and 37mm cannons the Heinkels were toast quickly as they lined up, with the convoy flak helping out (and also nearly ripping out my right wing, wounding my pilot and breaking my engine but that can be forgiven).

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They will likely upgrade the BoS and BoM He-111H-6 and Ju-88A-4 to include torpedoes as a loadout option since those were the main Luftwaffe torpedo bombers. This may sound childish but I can't wait to rip apart torpedo bombers in their slow, low straight line to target, independent of the map this happens in.

 

There was this great old Il-2 campaign called Arctic Hunters (download it here, courtesy of Phil_K) and one of the missions involved taking your P-39s over the water to welcome convoy JW58. Everything runs smooth until a party of Heinkels shows up to spoil the party, together with their Messerschmitt escorts. On our side we are joined by scrambling Fleet Air Arm Marlets from an escort carrier. The radio exploded with English and Russian, and with our .50s and 37mm cannons the Heinkels were toast quickly as they lined up, with the convoy flak helping out (and also nearly ripping out my right wing, wounding my pilot and breaking my engine but that can be forgiven).

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Nearly 11% of devices were machines given by the Allies to the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease Act (Bell P-39N and P-39Q Airacobra, Douglas A-20B and Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB).

 

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 Près de 11 % des appareils étaient des machines cédées par les Alliés à l'Union soviétique au titre de la loi Prêt-Bail (Bell P-39N et P-39Q Airacobra, Douglas A-20B et Supermarine Spitfire Mk VB).

 

 

Source: http://www.cieldegloire.com/batailles_kouban.php

 

 

 

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I really love this map, actually I remember my very first flight on IL2, I think it was somewhere over there, I remember flying over the top of a hill and seeing the grey blue see it was amazing ...

I'd be down for that :)

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As an atheist I can't call on any of the legions of false gods man has created to do my bidding, but to the devs I will sacrifice a sacred hecatomb if we GET THE HELL OUT IF RUSSIA in the next map!

 

We have been SCREAMING for maps of Italy, Malta, Libya, Egypt, Greece, and the greater Mediterranean for over a decade.

Would some developer somewhere please hear our cries and ditch the vile, boring, meaningless battlefields of Russia and move on to a front that might actually be interesting to the customers whom you charge more than seven times your sims domestic price?

 

We already have an excellent BoB sim in CloD, and a Russian sim in these last two titles.

The devs have access to most of the types they would need for any early med maps via CloD development. We know that some of the aircraft for battle of Stalingrad were had in this same fashion.

 

I'm so tired of this battle between two of the greatest evils in human history. Let's get some good guys on the map.

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I'm so tired of this battle between two of the greatest evils in human history. Let's get some good guys on the map.

 

Let's keep this clear of politics and opinions, eh? :rolleyes:

 

Here's the Airacobra of D. B. Glinka being refueled in Kuban, end of April, 1943.

 

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Some more:

 

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I'm so tired of this battle between two of the greatest evils in human history.

 

And yet you have two gold bars under your name. You must not be too tired of it.  

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And yet you have two gold bars under your name. You must not be too tired of it.

 

Oh don't let that fool you, I'm dog tired of it.

However I realize that we are a niche market and will support our minuscule genre. So I'll continue to buy in hopes that one day we get to a truely good theatre.

The only one I will not buy under any circumstances is a pacific/cbi theatre.

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While I too tend to yawn at the prospect of a third visit to the motherland, I would happily pay to visit the Far East among all of the other scenic destinations you mentioned. Particularly if aircraft carriers are faithfully modeled.

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I really think they need to open this SIM up to modders. This SIM could last 15 years like IL-2 1946 has all this time. I still play it online.

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I really think they need to open this SIM up to modders. This SIM could last 15 years like IL-2 1946 has all this time. I still play it online.

PREACH BROTHER!!!

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I think Kuban would be the Last of the Russia Trilogy, introducing more Lend Lease Aircraft and Mechanics for Sea Warfare and completing the German Planeset. 

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I see it as a two-stage process.

 

By giving us a Kuban (or Kursk) 1943 installment, they flesh out the Eastern Front from 1941 to 1943. The next step in this case would be to get all the foundation laid by it and create some maps and campaigns for a Northern Africa scenario, 1941-1943.

 

Once that's done, the cycle starts again. Some Eastern Front 1944, 1945 then a Western Front follow-up using that material as a basis.

 

After that, Finland, France, Khalkhin Gol, Spain, Burma, Guadalcanal and so on.

 

EDIT: It has to be said though, as mentioned by thwm time and again, that 'this theatre is better because it pays more' is not an answer for the developers. They have their own vision of how things work and what they want to achieve, so let's sit back and see what the future holds :)

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No, we don't need to sit back mate... those that want change need to let the dev's know constantly that they want change, otherwise nothing will change.

 

I'm for Africa and the Med, it's a fantastic theatre with a wealth of aircraft to explore, but even if we went to the Pacific, that isn't really my bag, but I'd gladly go there just to get a break from the eastern front for a change.

 

I'm buying into the package as it stands as the game is graphically beautiful, slowly coming right as the dev's make further improvements, plus it helps support what they are doing.

 

I have a gut feeling it will be the Kuban next, as it was mentioned by the dev's early on as being a possibility, and yes I will support the team by buying it, but for all that is good and holy, I'd be over the moon if they moved onto something else!

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No, we don't need to sit back mate... those that want change need to let the dev's know constantly that they want change, otherwise nothing will change.

 

I'm for Africa and the Med, it's a fantastic theatre with a wealth of aircraft to explore, but even if we went to the Pacific, that isn't really my bag, but I'd gladly go there just to get a break from the eastern front for a change.

 

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Guys,there are specific topics for MTO and PTO to beg devs to do it. Please,stay on topic. Here we beg for Kuban ;)

Lucas,wonderful pics!

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This is a poll for the battle of Kuban mate, and one of the options (which is leading by the way) is to have a different theatre :)

 

I'm assuming that is allowed to be discussed otherwise it would not be included as an option???

 

I may have missed something here, (its entirely possible due to my lack of brain cells) please forgive my musing if I have got it all wrong  :blink:

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Sorry man but I'm tired of the Russian front. It would take some vary interesting content for me to invest in Koban or Kirsh. 

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