IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Moscow Pre-Order Program

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Fantastic! Very impressive. So looking forward to summer.

 

Can't really agree with the criticisms either - impossible to comment on the tree colour I would suggest because of the effect of looking into the sun. And the glare looks fine to me too.

 

Can anyone confirm - are we going to get summer version of Zeus's map in the April update?

 

The clouds look fantastic too. From the pics I've seen this may turn out to be the finest rendition of terrain in a flight sim so far (though looking forward to TF's upcoming revision in COD as well)

Zeus stated in another thread, his map will be winter only for the April release but he is working on a summer version as well.

[AvengerSeawolf]

Maybe they are wrong, maybe you are an "color expert",

 

 I am a color expert 100% ,that's what Ive been  doing for 40 years now mixing and matching colors, recreate realism when needed, with my brushes and air brushes an virtually almost any surface.

 

 

 

The map maker had an "opinion" as well, if you want me or anyone else to prefer your opinion over that of the map maker you need to give reasons.

 

 Little do I care if anyone will prefer my opinion.  They should be glad that  I give my expert opinion  for free, but that's as as far as it gets with free expert opinion.

 

 Though below is a nice example.

 One must be color blind not to understand  that ALL distant objects get a blueish hue ( more or less)  over distance.

 

i like the clouds but not the tree colors, look not so naturally

Edited April 19, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf

[AvengerSeawolf]

How can you tell that the colors are wrong when you're looking into the sun?

 Probably he is not color blind

[I./JG51Nordmann]

Guys,

 

Make the best of what you can with BOM!

[ER*Wumme]

Ordered !

 

  I  don`t know how many hours i have played and enjoyed to fly  IL 2 BOS  now  ?  more than 100 hours  ?( especially multiplayer)    that  means nearly  70 Cent for 1 hour Entertainment ! 

 

That `s a good deal for me.

 

If the Boys do not get  money to proceed in  developing   IL 2  B  O  M ....   then we get nothing new  :    no  ME 110  no  P 40  ... no rata  no JU 88  and  no new summer  map  .

 

before  IL 2 BOS  we where forced to fly  arcade  war thunder    or   the    sterile DCS .  what an alternative ?!

 

 

 

 

[9./JG27golani79]

 I am a color expert 100% ,that's what Ive been  doing for 40 years now mixing and matching colors, recreate realism when needed, with my brushes and air brushes an virtually almost any surface.

 

Not like I´d want to question your expertise / experience but do you have a portfolio or similiar?

I´m just asking because I´m interested in art works in general - and with you mentioning multiple times that you are a color expert I´m just curious about your work you´ve done so far.

I´m always eager to learn from other artists so if you have something to share I´d really appreciate that.

 

 

this will go well with my hello kitty skin 

 

I´d love to make a hello kitty skin for you

 

 

 

p.s: boy .. you´ve got me .. flying around in BoS the last few days and offering such an immersive environment did it.

Although I still have more than enough things which I´m not totally happy about in BoS I´ve preordered BoM to support the WWII flightsim genre.

[BraveSirRobin]

 Probably he is not color blind

 

That is completely irrelevant.  The colors are distorted when you're looking into the sun.  

[Heywooood]

who can see any colors when looking into the sun...who looks into the sun...no no no - all of this is irrelevant...

 

this reminds me of the last time I went hunting....I shot an elephant in my pajamas

 

...how he got into my pajamas I'll never know

[AvengerSeawolf]

That is completely irrelevant. The colors are distorted when you're looking into the sun.

 

 You don;t make a clear point with this  statement.  especially without any images... If you look directly at the sun of course the light is blinding strong.

 Now if you look at a scenery facing at the Sun this is different. telling the collors are wrong in the second option is reffering ( out of experience probably) to what;s in reality  compared to the game image.

The first thing that strikes as major mistake in the image is the too light green while facing the trees from behind ( since they are facing the Sun) facing from the back contrary to the Sun the objects surace obtained  appears dark

 If we were facing the trees with the Sun at our back lighting at them then  the color of the trees could be  more light at  most surface.

 So what I said was very relevant but  it seems you are not in a position to understand it.

Color distorted ? compared to what ?  color is a reflextion of light which changes constantly ( more or less), color gives different impressions also from what  other color is around it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion

 

http://brainden.com/color-illusions.htm

 

Edited April 22, 2015 by AvengerSeawolf

[Danziger]

Why so much space taken up with arguing over colors of an unfinished map?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Why so much space taken up with arguing over colors of an unfinished map?

It's a flight sim forum, duh!!

 

           

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Not like I´d want to question your expertise / experience but do you have a portfolio or similiar?

I´m just asking because I´m interested in art works in general - and with you mentioning multiple times that you are a color expert I´m just curious about your work you´ve done so far.

I´m always eager to learn from other artists so if you have something to share I´d really appreciate that.

 

More important is to keep in mind that argumentation from authority is a logical fallacy and doesn't validate the content/context of a claim.

[Weegie]

Well I was dead against it.

 

NO WAY............................$80 for a rehash and some similar planes (like the 109s)

 

Then I was back again flying the 190 in the evening and thinking dam this is such fun, not even blowing much up (I'm usually the one getting the blowing up done to). It flies so much better than it did I can taxi, take off and land (now and again)

 

The QMB works well IMHO (thank you Lupson) and the scenery and the cockpits, there is nothing I've seen overall that graphically matches this package.

 

So much has come on in this game and continues to get better..............................so I looked again..............Machi 202 & Mig3 stunning (wait till the skinners get going on these).  Me110 & I-16 should be fun in very different way., P40 could be interesting too. None of these aircraft have been on a particular wish list for me, so I was surprised when I was thinking well, maybe this is pretty good value after all. At least 5 planes I cannot wait to try and another 5 for later.

 

So check my status bars on the left

 

I've seen so much bitterness in here on occasion, I'm glad the programmers have just got on with it. Maybe I'm in the minority, maybe not, but I think the BoS & BoM package is continuing to break new ground, has not fallen short of previous IL series and deserves to be recognized for it.

 

Maybe I should change my Call sign to U-Turn

[Bando]

 Maybe I'm in the minority, maybe not, but I think the BoS & BoM package is continuing to break new ground, has not fallen short of previous IL series and deserves to be recognized for it.

 

I believe that the "louder" part of the community is the minority. Just a feeling, no numbers to verify.

The majority is not as loud or so much on the foreground IMHO.

 

I agree totally with the sentiment of being glad the devs pushed on, rather than get disheartened by the loud minority and deliver a great sim, that's getting better with every update and has a future with BOS.

[Vaxxtx]

 Maybe I'm in the minority, maybe not, but I think the BoS & BoM package is continuing to break new ground, has not fallen short of previous IL series and deserves to be recognized for it.

 

Maybe I should change my Call sign to U-Turn

I totally disagree. Aside from an updated look, I cannot fathom what "ground breaking" anything BoS has done. At the same time I can produce a long list of what is has fallen short of compared to previous IL2's.

 

I guess this is where a difference of opinion is evident to the extreme.

[=VARP=Cygann]

@Vaxxtx - I think I know what you're wanting to say and I bet I'd agree with most if not all fallen short list, however I do also think you're way too critical on the good stuff.

 

It's not just good graphics with BOS. Come on mate, think about it a little past things that bother you (and there are also many that bother me too), but sim to be a sim need to have good FM in the first place. U must admit to 777 Devs that they manage to achieve that. Old IL2:46 had many great things, but in FM, BOS is definitely a positive step in evolution of the genre.

 

I am not a pilot and can't compare flight psychics and effects of control surfaces to the real world, but flying part and CEM in BOS has surpassed original game (did even Cold IMHO when it comes to maneuvering, even though engine management in flight and combat feels better for now in Clod to me).

 

My point is stay critical for the things that has fallen short, but do give credit where it's due. Also being a simmer lately seem to require some faith too, as we're either believers for the long run improvements, or if not, then only buy sims 2-3 years down the line from release. I am not happy with it, but there is no enough money in this genre to create strong competition to change this.

[Lusekofte]

for people not interested  they sure shows much interest. I am in as usual. Wish list is huge from me , so I leave it to the next mile stone. I will enjoy the 110, P-40 , MIG 3 and I-16. 

But I hope for a Kursk expansion with HS 129 after this, and maybe a P-39. While we are at it I wish for IL 4 and M3 version of the IL 2 and maybe a IL10, yeah why not a IL 10. 

Kidding, looking forward to BOM

[6./ZG26_Emil]

A Murmansk map would be awesome for anti shipping missions, You would get hurricanes as well

[Vaxxtx]

@Vaxxtx - I think I know what you're wanting to say and I bet I'd agree with most if not all fallen short list, however I do also think you're way too critical on the good stuff.

 

 

I am being honest. I don't see the good stuff. The FM are fine, the graphics are fine I agree. There is too much that over shadows it for me.

 

The hit sounds are still killing it technically, and the lack of a grand campaign is killing it content wise for me. Mods not being supported makes it even more unlikely things like Tiger's sounds will be part of it. I really have no reason to boot it up. Playing a single mission here and there, or the QMB can entertain for 10-15mins. After that, I am looking for something with substance. I was hoping with BoM announced some things would change but officially its been said same old same old, but with new planes and map. Ho hum news.

 

I am happy some people can enjoy what it is. That's great. At the same time telling me I am too critical, is the same as me telling people they praise the game way too much and are blind to the many issues.. Its all opinion.

[Brano]

This is obviously forum for customers and people who enjoy the game for what it is.We have heard it all from you and we acknowledge your point.Now its time for you to move on to something that brings you pleasure and joy in your life. I hope you will find it soon

 

This forum is a public forum open to anyone as long as they keep their posts civil.

Edited May 2, 2015 by Bearcat

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

This is obviously forum for customers and people who enjoy the game for what it is.We have heard it all from you and we acknowledge your point.Now its time for you to move on to something that brings you pleasure and joy in your life. I hope you will find it soon 

 

Huh...

 

Forum Rules: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3-forum-rules-v102/

 

1. This forum is intended for discussion of games developed by 1C-777 Ltd. and other topics connected with them. 

 

We have heard it all from you and we acknowledge your point. Now it's time for you to move on and accept the fact that there are varying opinions about 777's IL-2.

Edited April 27, 2015 by 4./JG26_Adler

[3instein]

This is obviously forum for customers and people who enjoy the game for what it is.We have heard it all from you and we acknowledge your point.Now its time for you to move on to something that brings you pleasure and joy in your life. I hope you will find it soon

Vaxxtx, is a customer and really is entitled to his opinion just like yourself, whether it is different to yours or not,

 

Personally if all I saw was forum posts praising the game without any criticism I don't think it would be a nice place to visit, you need critique to help push the game and the devs to new levels,

 

Obviously within forum rules, and since Vaxxtx's post is still here I take it that is the case.

 

Mick.  

[Weegie]

Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion and I would not like it any other way.

 

I do apologize if I've stirred up a Hornet's nest, all I was trying to say was that IMHO the game is coming great. Maybe I visit the wrong threads but I've seen a lot of vitriolic posts, which end up with the Devs coming in and taking action.

 

I think the basics of the game are great, the graphics and FMs is what I'm on about. Yes the game is crying out for a good Mission Builder that I can use and more campaigns. Once a good MB happens then I'll bet that a lot of people on here will build missions for the community.

 

Then there are all the skins and the QMB by Lupson, not to mention all the documentation by Requiem and others. It just continues to evolve into a better product as the weeks go by and as BoM is going to be mergable with BoS then supporting BoM will also help BoS evolve further, as money is coming in to help pay for all this.

 

I don't fly Clod, maybe I'm missing out, I do fly others including what is probably the biggest competition too, both have pluses and minuses.

 

Of course if your a hot shot pilot and all the stuff I've mentioned is just sooooooooo old hat then maybe this game is not advanced enough for you and I get that.

 

All I was saying is FOR ME even just the quick missions are fun and can keep me engrossed for quite a while and I'm enjoying it immensely.

 

Gettin' ma coat

[Brano]

I just gave him a friendly advice.Thats all.You dont have to search nothing behind/inbetween the lines.There is nothing 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I just gave him a friendly advice.Thats all.You dont have to search nothing behind/inbetween the lines.There is nothing 

 

I'm not searching for anything.

 

I'm just reminding you that per the forum rules, this is a place for discussing 777/1CGS's IL-2 franchise and the topics relevant to it. Not Brano's "You're Welcome To Leave Because I Disagree With You And Am Tired Of Reading Your Posts" forums.

 

You don't like critical posts? Use the ignore feature. That is my "friendly" advice to you.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Personally if all I saw was forum posts praising the game without any criticism I don't think it would be a nice place to visit

  

 

The are plenty of other flight sim forums out there that do just that, unfortunately.  

 

 

I am being honest. I don't see the good stuff. The FM are fine, the graphics are fine I agree. There is too much that over shadows it for me.

 

The hit sounds are still killing it technically, and the lack of a grand campaign is killing it content wise for me. Mods not being supported makes it even more unlikely things like Tiger's sounds will be part of it. I really have no reason to boot it up. Playing a single mission here and there, or the QMB can entertain for 10-15mins. After that, I am looking for something with substance. I was hoping with BoM announced some things would change but officially its been said same old same old, but with new planes and map. Ho hum news.

 

I am happy some people can enjoy what it is. That's great. At the same time telling me I am too critical, is the same as me telling people they praise the game way too much and are blind to the many issues.. Its all opinion.

 

Vaxxtx, while I completely respect your option (even though I don't agree with half of it) I would just like to ask why you would want to waste your time on something that you really don't seem to like very much at all?

 

 

 

A Murmansk map would be awesome for anti shipping missions, You would get hurricanes as well

I hope Hurries are included someday.

[I./JG1_Baron]

A Murmansk map would be awesome for anti shipping missions, You would get hurricanes as well

 

Well ... for me would be enough summer map in BoS ... 

 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Well ... for me would be enough summer map in BoS ... 

 

 

and I can't tempt your vote with a p-39 to shoot down? :D

[150GCT_Veltro]

Some extra DLC would be nice...... P-39 in primis.

[Vaxxtx]

  

Vaxxtx, while I completely respect your option (even though I don't agree with half of it) I would just like to ask why you would want to waste your time on something that you really don't seem to like very much at all?

 

 

 

 

Eh? I don't waste my time on something I don't enjoy. I was pumped about BoS, then disappointed with the final product. I was skeptical, but interested in BoM, but disappointed again. At least I check up and see if anything is new, instead of writing it off. Although lately it seems more and more fruitless.

 

I spend my actual game time with many other titles right now, and most of them not even flight sims lately.

 

Taking 3-5 mins to read a forum and post a thought or opinion when I am not busy does not seem like a huge chunk of "wasted time".

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

Although lately it seems more and more fruitless.

 

 

With respect, I really don't see it as being more and more fruitless. There have been an absolute shed load of updates with more to come. That can only be a positive step in the right direction surely?

[BraveSirRobin]

With respect, I really don't see it as being more and more fruitless. There have been an absolute shed load of updates with more to come. That can only be a positive step in the right direction surely?

 

If you're not seeing the "fruitless" it only means you're not looking hard enough.  

[=VARP=Cygann]

I am being honest. I don't see the good stuff. The FM are fine, the graphics are fine I agree. There is too much that over shadows it for me.

 

The hit sounds are still killing it technically, and the lack of a grand campaign is killing it content wise for me. Mods not being supported makes it even more unlikely things like Tiger's sounds will be part of it. I really have no reason to boot it up. Playing a single mission here and there, or the QMB can entertain for 10-15mins. After that, I am looking for something with substance. I was hoping with BoM announced some things would change but officially its been said same old same old, but with new planes and map. Ho hum news.

 

I am happy some people can enjoy what it is. That's great. At the same time telling me I am too critical, is the same as me telling people they praise the game way too much and are blind to the many issues.. Its all opinion.

 

I have no arguments on your falling short list much as I suspected. Also I would tell to the fanboi he is blind to issues much like I said you're to critical when you say there is nothing BOS did right.

 

And of course it is all opinion when it comes to likes and dislikes, there are no facts in that department, but we're still all entitled to ours. Mine is that BOS does some things better then other games in the series, and it does some worse. 

 

Unfortunately for me, my biggest issue might never be fixed (lack of ad-hoc hosted coops without the need for dedicated server to play with couple of friends) but I still can acknowledge things that are good in the game. Especially since there is not much alternative for my taste apart from CloD and ROF. I find DCS lacking much more in things I value and need for spending my free time.

[Weegie]

[Edited]? Is that aimed at me?

 

I do find that a bit insulting but possibly its a language thing.

 

As for my vision I do wear glasses.

 

Re the game I play SP so yes I am not up to speed with all aspects of the game/sim, I don't believe I made that claim at any point. Placing "FOR ME" in caps obviously did not register.

 

Apologies for daring to suggest that somebody was actually enjoying any aspect of the product, I'm just away to get my sack cloth and ashes out the wardrobe

[I./JG1_Baron]

and I can't tempt your vote with a p-39 to shoot down? :D

 

 

P-39? Aaaahhh... one of the most beautifull planes in flames

 

[Steambat]

I'm in for sure, just as soon as I get back home in July! $80, which includes the Ju 88 and the P40 is fantastic. That for me is like having a mid year Christmas!

[Flanker15]

I am being honest. I don't see the good stuff. The FM are fine, the graphics are fine I agree. There is too much that over shadows it for me.

 

The hit sounds are still killing it technically, and the lack of a grand campaign is killing it content wise for me. Mods not being supported makes it even more unlikely things like Tiger's sounds will be part of it. I really have no reason to boot it up. Playing a single mission here and there, or the QMB can entertain for 10-15mins. After that, I am looking for something with substance. I was hoping with BoM announced some things would change but officially its been said same old same old, but with new planes and map. Ho hum news.

 

I am happy some people can enjoy what it is. That's great. At the same time telling me I am too critical, is the same as me telling people they praise the game way too much and are blind to the many issues.. Its all opinion.

 

I can agree with the middle bit 100%  BoS is mega lacking in the campaign department, either a proper dynamic one like Falcon 4 or some nice scipted ones like Clod.  Holding off from BoM until they announce a new campaign or future expansion that does right now there's not much to play outside of multiplayer. 

[jeanba]

I can agree with the middle bit 100%  BoS is mega lacking in the campaign department, either a proper dynamic one like Falcon 4 or some nice scipted ones like Clod.  Holding off from BoM until they announce a new campaign or future expansion that does right now there's not much to play outside of multiplayer. 

I think the same thing : I follow the forum, occasionnally play BoS (say 2-3 times a month), but I don't intend to buy BoM until more interesting single player content is available.

On the other hand, this was the same thing for RoF : it took some times, but it came.

I will not consider buying BoS until it is here

[AKA_Baylor6]

Ordered.  Now I need to find time to fly BOS.

 

Work does interfere so!

[StarLightSong]

Transferred to Steam, ordered BoM, 60 days till a return to the land of high speed internet... and multiplayer.

May need a new graphics card to go with my big metal Warthog joystick : )

 

hey, wheres my BoM badge??? mods! help, its all i have to show for the six months early purchase.  Oh yeah, the discount  : )

g0 1C

Edited April 29, 2015 by JJJudyJoYstickr