IL-2 Series - After Korea

January 24

7 hours ago, kraut1 said:

So from my point of view:

Yes, with the current planes are already interesting 1944/45 Kurland missions possible, but it would be nice to have some more advanced russian planes.

(and at least some T34-85 / IS-2 tanks)

You said it! I know that Odessa and Karelia will be the last in the line of Great Battles modules but I cannot stress it enough that we need something late 1944 to early 1945. That is why I am so adamant because we are missing a lot of Eastern Front modules that would really help Great Battles sell even more. Third party would have to have been the way to go though. I apologise especially to LukeFF for going on like a broken record player about this though.

January 24

26 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

You said it! I know that Odessa and Karelia will be the last in the line of Great Battles modules but I cannot stress it enough that we need something late 1944 to early 1945. That is why I am so adamant because we are missing a lot of Eastern Front modules that would really help Great Battles sell even more. Third party would have to have been the way to go though. I apologise especially to LukeFF for going on like a broken record player about this though.

The ultimate low cost solution would be a Kurland Module, only with the map with limited dimensions similar I simulated and the extension of the Eastern Front pilot careers to 8th/9th May 1945.

January 24

I doubt you will find a third party team that spends 2-3 years to build a map for the old version of the game engine. Especially when the new version of the Il-2 series will have features that make map building easier and allow more details.

January 24

On 1/1/2025 at 4:24 PM, BraveSirRobin said:

Large formations of bombers brings GB missions to a crawl. No chance that anyone does a BoB module.

This. Even CloD is better at handling large formations than GB. Not to mention the 20 years old IL2-1946.

January 24

46 minutes ago, sevenless said:

This. Even CloD is better at handling large formations than GB. Not to mention the 20 years old IL2-1946.

Really? Interesting.

January 24

@kraut1

Additional planes might be a tough ask, but it seems like merely adding the map to a the Odessa/Karelia module later on would already provide something nice and would hopefully not require that much work.

Edited January 24 by Aapje

January 24

10 hours ago, kraut1 said:

The ultimate low cost solution would be a Kurland Module, only with the map with limited dimensions similar I simulated and the extension of the Eastern Front pilot careers to 8th/9th May 1945.

Here's what I would have liked to have seen:

South Polish-Slovakian module
North Polish-East German module
Hungarian module
Baltic-East Prussian module

But I know we can't have everything.

January 27

On 1/25/2025 at 9:57 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Here's what I would have liked to have seen:

South Polish-Slovakian module

North Polish-East German module

Hungarian module

Baltic-East Prussian module

But I know we can't have everything.

Maybe we will see these modules done in time in the new series.

Edited January 27 by Jackfraser24

February 2

Would anyone like to see Midway and Guadalcanal in the new IL-2 game? I know Combat Pilot is going to do their version of those battles, but I argue that both Combat Pilot and IL-2 will be very different combat flight simulators. Combat Pilot will have clickable cockpits, like there are in Cliffs if Dover Blitz, whereas IL-2 will stay true to its original gameplay in Great Battles and 1946, therefore appealing to two different crowds. What do you (the reader) think? Should both developers do their versions of the same battle or should they steer clear of one another?

February 3

Midway is just a single 3-day battle, with almost no map to speak off. It's 6.2 square km of land and the rest is sea that requires no modelling. So I don't see the appeal as a real module. Even if you get a bunch of carriers, having pretty much only carrier against carrier/ship engagements, and flying over water all the time gets old fast.

Guadalcanal is way more interesting. Then you have a much longer period. Lots of land and sea. Land and sea battles. Carriers and land-based planes.

So to me it makes most sense to first do something like Guadalcanal, and once a bunch of assets are developed for that module and other modules, see if one can make a Midway & Pearl Harbor map with relatively low effort, and then sell that for cheap. Or just leave that to Combat Pilot.

February 6

On 2/4/2025 at 2:51 AM, Aapje said:

So to me it makes most sense to first do something like Guadalcanal, and once a bunch of assets are developed for that module and other modules, see if one can make a Midway & Pearl Harbor map with relatively low effort, and then sell that for cheap. Or just leave that to Combat Pilot.

I think that is a good idea to have a Hawaiian Island's archipelago map which would include Midway Atoll. Or better still, we could have a huge map of the Pacific region from just south of the Equator to 30 degrees north, and 150 degrees west to 130 degrees east. This map would be able to cover not only the Attack on Pearl Harbor and Battle of Midway, but also the Battle of Nauru, the Gilbert and Marshall Islands Campaign, the Marianas Campaign and the Battle of the Philippine Sea. Yes, I understand that this would be a mammoth task but since it will mostly be ocean sprinkled with thousands of tiny islands I think this could be doable for the team at 1CGS, even if they just do it in stages like they had done with Flying Circus. That way once finished we would be able to reenact the Japanese advance and retreat across the Northern Pacific Ocean from Midway to the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

Edited February 6 by Jackfraser24

February 10

Could the new game potentially have a Gulf War 1990-91 module? What would be some of the challenges to making such a module?

February 10

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Could the new game potentially have a Gulf War 1990-91 module? What would be some of the challenges to making such a module?

I believe a Gulf War IL-2 title could work. Reason why I say this is because

a) it is a conflict that has not been seen in combat flight simulation other than DCS for a very long time and such competition would not exist because there would be no other contenders to compete with (which leads me into my next point);
b) if IL-2 were to cover this conflict in a single module, the game play would differ massively to that of DCS, as IL-2's planes would only match DCS's planes in terms of high fidelity flight physics yet they would do without a clickable cockpit.
c) there would be enough planes involved from both the Iraqi and Coalition forces to offer a full on pilot career mode, and the planes would be an exciting experience to fly, having aircraft like the MiG-21, MiG-29 and F-15 to name a few.

Plane List

Iraq

MiG-21PF
MiG-23BN
MiG-29A
Mirage F-1EQ
Su-25K

Coalition

A-10A
F-15C
Jaguar GR.1A
Mirage 2000C
Tornado GR.1

Edited February 10 by Jackfraser24

February 10

Making a game to cover the Vietnam War and anything later like the Gulf War would require the development of another game engine. Won’t happen, sorry.

February 10

12 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Making a game to cover the Vietnam War and anything later like the Gulf War would require the development of another game engine. Won’t happen, sorry.

Not so fast! Russia supplied much military and technical equipment to North Vietnam thru the 60's/70's ultimately resulting in a great patriotic victory for the communist forces. So I wouldn't rule out 1C's interest.

However, I'd rather have a Be2c.

February 11

6 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Making a game to cover the Vietnam War and anything later like the Gulf War would require the development of another game engine. Won’t happen, sorry.

Just out of curiosity, why do you not think that the engine will not be able to support a Gulf War scenario?

February 11

The Gulf War means very complex planes like the F-14 Tomcat, F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, and F/A-18 Hornet, plus rather complicated weapons. It will require all kinds of new technology and lots of effort.

All of this will come at the expense of making a good WW 2/Korea simulator.

February 11

12 hours ago, Aapje said:

The Gulf War means very complex planes like the F-14 Tomcat, F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, and F/A-18 Hornet, plus rather complicated weapons. It will require all kinds of new technology and lots of effort.

All of this will come at the expense of making a good WW 2/Korea simulator.

I suppose you have a valid point. Though I would like to point out that 1CGS were not going to make makes of highly populated areas but now they have changed their minds. I know that this is a weak argument but what I am trying to say is that they can always change their minds with where they want to go. I’d really like them to do post Korean War conflicts like the Arab-Israeli Wars, Indo-Pakistani Wars, the Vietnam War, and the Falklands War too. Might that be a stretch on the game engine they are going to use? I’m generally curious to know.

February 11

Just stop the speculation, please. 🙂 We are going nowhere near post-Korea conflicts.

February 11

13 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Just stop the speculation, please. 🙂 We are going nowhere near post-Korea conflicts.

Okay, Sorry about that. I just wanted to see IL-2 go into the jet age. Just out of curiosity, why they won't cover more recent conflicts such as the Falklands or the Gulf War? Is it due to developmental limitations, a lack of demand or something else? I don't mean to speculate too much but I think that a Gulf War module done in the style of IL-2 game play would really do well. I'd love to be able to fly an F-15 or a MiG-29 that isn't too complex to fly (like it is in DCS) and be able to do a pilot career mode in it. But that is just my thoughts.

Edited February 11 by Jackfraser24

February 12

56 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Okay, Sorry about that. I just wanted to see IL-2 go into the jet age. Just out of curiosity, why they won't cover more recent conflicts such as the Falklands or the Gulf War? Is it due to developmental limitations, a lack of demand or something else?

Pretty sure the answer is “just because”.

February 12

5 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Pretty sure the answer is “just because”.

And that's okay. Do you think that they will go back to WWI again, as well as do a multi part series of modules on the Spanish Civil War?

Edited February 12 by Jackfraser24

February 12

IL-2 Pacific 1942 Speculation

I wonder if the IL-2 team at 1CGS will do a multi-map module of the Pacific War battles that occurred in 1942, just like they are doing for the last Great Battles module, the Karelia - Odessa module. I think it would be a good idea for two reasons, a) because it saves them from having to complete the entirety of the Pacific region and b) these battles were short therefore having multiple maps covering multiple battles would compensate for the short pilot career modes.

February 15

On 1/24/2025 at 9:41 PM, Juri_JS said:

Question. Where would you like IL-2 Great Battles 2.0 (a designation I am giving the new series (which involves Korea) for now) to go within the next 10-15 years? It can be anywhere where there was a large scale conflict involving military planes.

February 15

On 2/12/2025 at 12:16 PM, LukeFF said:

Question. Where would you like the series to go? What titles would you like to see in the near future?

On 2/11/2025 at 10:35 PM, Aapje said:

Question. Where would you like the series to go after they have finished Korea? I know that they are doing the Pacific next so where in the Pacific would you like them to go?

February 15

29 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Question. Where would you like IL-2 Great Battles 2.0 (a designation I am giving the new series (which involves Korea) for now) to go within the next 10-15 years? It can be anywhere where there was a large scale conflict involving military planes.

I am interested in military aviation in general, so I don't really have a strong opinion. Every scenario has its interesting aspects. Of course there are some scenarios I am more interested in than in others, for example Khalkhin Gol 1939, Solomons 1942-1943, East Prussia 1944-1945 or Hungary/Budapest 1944-1945.

February 15

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

I am interested in military aviation in general, so I don't really have a strong opinion. Every scenario has its interesting aspects. Of course there are some scenarios I am more interested in than in others, for example Khalkhin Gol 1939, Solomons 1942-1943, East Prussia 1944-1945 or Hungary/Budapest 1944-1945.

I would have liked to have seen East Prussia and Hungary in Great Battles. But nobody has to remind me that the team wants to move away from Great Battles. I’m just saying it would be a better way to wrap up Great Battles with Hungary and East Prussia or a Vistula-Oder offensive module because these modules would be based off of battles that were closer to the end of the war on the Eastern Front as opposed to Karelia and Odessa. But I know that the Karelia-Odessa module will be the last of Great Battles.

February 15

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

But I know that the Karelia-Odessa module will be the last of Great Battles.

Yes, but it's interesting to speculate ad infinitum ain't it Jack.

February 16

2 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

Yes, but it's interesting to speculate ad infinitum ain't it Jack.

Absolutely.

February 17

Why the IL-2 Team should consider doing a Soviet - Japanese War Scenario

According to Wikipedia, there were 3,721 Soviet aircraft and 2,004 Japanese aircraft in the region by the time of the Soviet Japanese War. These would have consisted of La-7s, Yak-9s, Pe-2s, Ki-43s, Ki-44s and Ki-84s, all very good aircraft to fly.
A hypothetical map covering all of Manchuria and the Korean Peninsula would be vast and would take considerably longer time for the IL-2 team to make. But on the flip side it would be a beautiful map which would include mountains, plains, steppe, forests, and small cities, towns and villages. The map would be worth exploring.
This conflict has largely been forgotten in modern combat flight simulation and no combat flight simulation dev team have made one about the Soviet Japanese War since December 2006 when the IL-2 team released IL-2 1946 Sturmoviks over Manchuria, so I think it is long overdue for a remake in modern combat flight simulation.
Adding to the point above, if the Il-2 developer team made a Soviet Japanese War module they would be unrivalled in this area of recreating WWII combat flight simulation because it hasn't been done in such a long time. DCS hasn't done it. War Thunder Hasn't done it. IL-2 would have something new to offer.
A hypothetical Soviet Japanese War module would also tell a story of the prelude to the Korean War which will be covered in the base game of the new series, Korea-IL-2. On the other side of the coin this hypothetical map I speak of could have a Korean War era version of it, which would allow more Chinese bases to be added.

February 17

After Pacific, the Italian Front of WW1.

Map: covering Trieste to the Adamello massif with Pola, Venice and Marmolada Glacier included. Could also be two maps, one covering the Battles of the Isonzo with the other from November 1917 to 1918 covering the Venetian Plains and the White War.

Aircraft:

Italian/Entente

Nieuport 11

Nieuport 17

SPAD 7

SPAD 13

Sopwith Camel

Pomilio PD

Caproni Ca.3

Ansaldo SV5

Macchi M5

Austro-Hungarian/Central Powers

Aviatik D.1

Albatross D.III (Oeffag)

Hansa-Brandenburg C.1

Hansa-Brandenburg D.1

Rumpler C.IV

@BraveSirRobin laugh all you want but the Italian Front would give us something interesting with stunning scenery and interesting aircraft along with the Nieuports, SPADs and Camel so I don't know where you're coming from that this will be financial ruin. By that logic it would be financial ruin for anyone to do the Korean War and the Eastern Front of WW2 except for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and Berlin. But oh look, Karelia and Odessa will be in GBs along with Kuban and the devs are doing Korea.

Edited February 17 by Enceladus828

February 17

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

After Pacific, the Italian Front of WW1.

This will happen over my dead body!

February 17

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

What do you think about a Soviet Japanese War involving a map covering all of Manchuria and the Korean Peninsula?

February 18

Keep the personal sniping out of the conversation.

February 18

Let's leave the sniping to the AI

February 18

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Keep the personal sniping out of the conversation.

Question. Do you think that an IL-2 Soviet Japanese module is a possibility? It would involve a map of Manchuria, 8 planes (+2 collector planes), the three week long Soviet Invasion of Manchuria with the Soviets on the Offensive and the Japanese forces on the defensive. I know that there would be a lot of challenges to overcome, and from my understanding there would be a huge risk of a loss for 1CGS because it would cost more money making such a huge map all for 3 weeks worth of a pilot career mode. But people might like it because of the map's vast size and beautiful environment. And if there were ever to be a strategical mini-game involved where you could command forces and manage resources in the new game, whether it would be in single or multiplayer, that could put an appealing spin on it.

So what do you think? Would you like to see it happen? Do you think that there is a mere possibility of it happening?

February 19

Anything is theoretically possible. 🙂

February 19

25 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Anything is theoretically possible. 🙂

True. Can you see it happening?

February 19

Like I said... 🙂

February 19

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Like I said... 🙂

Do you think that they will remake all of the modules made for Great Battles for the new series? To me reinventing the wheel in this case makes sense for them to do so because

This time round they will do a much better job on the visuals, sounds and systems with their new technologies.
Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban, Karelia, Odessa, Normandy and Bodenplatte were all based on important parts of the Eastern and Western Fronts of WWII and (imo) should not be left out of the new sim
Incorporating every map and plane from 1946, Rise of Flight, Cliffs of Dover, and Great Battles into one series would contribute to making an awesome new IL-2 series that could rival War Thunder indirectly. While we may never have post Korean War aircraft or experimental aircraft in the game I think that including every relevant plane from WWI to the Korean War would make for an awesome game.

But I do know that at the end of the day this is a business and they can only do so much. So I appreciate that fact.

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