Hello everyone, what is the best VR headset that can be purchased, that is, the best quality possible?

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Hello everyone, what is the best VR 4K headset that can be purchased, that is, the best quality possible?

   

And if you are so kind, what are the second recommended headsets for flying combat simulators, taking into account that I have reading glasses, because with the years of this IL-2 Sturmovik.com simulator. In fact, I have more flight hours and kills than the real fighter pilots who participated in WWII. Since I have been with Oleg Madox's IL-2 since 2001 until now and I have done thousands of hours first with the IL-2 and many others in the Rise of Flight WWI simulator, the first one and now I have the Flying Circus: Volume III expands.

 

Thanks in advance and best regards

 

1/JSpan_Wind and now 1/JSpan_Guerrero

 

Could it be one of these VR headsets from the Images?

 

 

[Aapje]

The absolute top tier is probably the Somnium VR1 or the Varjo XR-4, but both are definitely not for beginners, so don't get them, even if you have all the moneys. You'll be one of the very few owners and have to figure out everything for yourselves.

 

I would suggest the Pimax Crystal Light, with the Quest 3 after that. Keep in mind that VR is very demanding and even a 4090 will not be overkill (and a top tier CPU).

 

And reading glasses should be irrelevant for VR, since the (fixed) focal distance of these headsets is quite far away.

[chiliwili69]

This is the list of options:

 

Have you try VR before?

 

If not I would try first with Quest3 or the new Pico4Ultra.

Then, if you like it you could opt for more expensive devices (but not neccesarily better overal) like Pimax Crystal Light but also SomniumVR1 and Varjo XR-4

For VR1 and better tracking of Crystal Light you will need basestations.

 

Tomorrow it is announced the new headset from HTC:

https://mixed-news.com/en/htc-headset-teaser-vive-focus-4/

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by chiliwili69

[Aapje]

Why would he need base stations for the Crystal Light? You can get the version without controllers if it is only used for flying, and the version with controllers supports inside-out tracking.

Edited September 17, 2024 by Aapje

[chiliwili69]

26 minutes ago, Aapje said:

Why would he need base stations for the Crystal Light? You can get the version without controllers if it is only used for flying

Yes, the Crystal Light can run with the default inside-out tracking, but based on my experience with it (without basestations) the tracking is far from perfect even for a seating experience. If I would chosen the PCL for sure I would had put basestations.

I don´t know if in these last two months from my testing the tracking of PCL has been improved.

[Dagwoodyt]

Why so quick to go down this rabbit hole again where the OP gives no info as to hardware they are using or what budget is available?😉

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Thank you very much guys!! You have given me a lot of information and I will check them all, we will see if AMAZON has them because I live in the Canary Islands and the only thing there are are sounds from the Sony console or the METAQUES are the only ones I have seen in MediMart. So for me it is much more difficult to know what they look like. Therefore it will be a coin toss if I cannot test them with the simulator. Today I use the TRACK-IR 5 that allows me to see the keyboard of some functions of SIM IL-2 Sturmovik.com

 

I have been using the TRACK-IR for many years and it allows me to give orders to the AI companions on the keyboard. With these glasses I will have to learn to take off and put on the glasses quickly to see the keyboard.

 

A cordial greeting and I repeat thank you very much the information you give me still generates more doubts, LOL

[Aapje]

The Quest 3 is definitely a good choice. Do you have a sufficiently strong computer?

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Hello everyone,

 

Thank you all very much!!

 

My PC and Joystick, and other input devices:

- PC case: Corsair fan-cooled.
- PC motherboard:
- Processor: Intel® Core i7-12700H.
- RAM: 32 GB.
- Hard drive: 500 GB SSD and a second hard drive for storage. But I'm going to upgrade to a newer processor even if I have to change the motherboard.
- Graphics card: a GIGABYTE GTX 1780 GB
- Joystick: VKB Gladiator with Metal trigger.
- Hotas CH product throttle lever.
- TQ6 Throttle Quadrant throttle levers and buttons from Virtual Fly.

 

I'm going to buy a new PC with the latest generation Intel processor. And of course I'll put in one of the latest GIGABYTE graphics cards, one of the best available. The Box will also be a great one to expand everything and make it upgradable.

Many thanks to everyone and I'll add some pictures of my equipment.

Raúl Suárez Jiménes

[Aapje]

So are you going to replace your laptop with a desktop (or do you have a mobile CPU in a desktop)? Note that AMD has the best CPU-platform right now. The 7800X3D is the king for gaming, but you can also do a budget build with a 7600. Then you can probably get a big boost in the future for relatively cheap by replacing the 7600 with the last X3D-CPU for the AM5-platform.

 

But I don't know what the availability/prices of AMD is in the Canary Islands.

 

The 4060 is very marginal for VR. Unfortunately, the improvement over the 3060 was rather small. You might want to consider either a 4070, or looking at a 7800 XT or 7700 XT. You can also wait for the new gen. AMD is rumored to come out with a good value video card later this year.

 

 

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

5 hours ago, Aapje said:

¿Vas a reemplazar tu computadora portátil por una de escritorio (o tienes una CPU móvil en una de escritorio)? Ten en cuenta que AMD tiene la mejor plataforma de CPU en este momento. La 7800X3D es la reina para juegos, pero también puedes hacer una configuración económica con una 7600. Entonces, probablemente puedas obtener un gran impulso en el futuro por relativamente poco dinero al reemplazar la 7600 con la última CPU X3D para la plataforma AM5.

 

Pero no sé cuál es la disponibilidad/precios de AMD en  Canarias.

 

La 4060 es muy marginal para la realidad virtual. Lamentablemente, la mejora con respecto a la 3060 fue bastante pequeña. Es posible que quieras considerar una 4070 o una 7800 XT o 7700 XT. También puedes esperar a la nueva generación. Se rumorea que AMD lanzará una tarjeta de video de buena relación calidad-precio a finales de este año.

 

 

 

Hi, Aapje, y a todos!!

Hi, Aapje, and everyone!!

 

My PC is going to be renewed or built from scratch, one like the a6, the rest I only have now I need the good VR GLASSES!!:

 

Thanks for answering and a cordial greeting from THE CANARY ISLANDS, near Morocco and I will order the PC at the ÚLTIMA PC store https://ultimainformatica.com/

https://ultimainformatica.com/

 

 

Edited September 21, 2024 by 1/JSpan_Guerrero

[Aapje]

The Quest 3 is a good headset to pair with that kit.

Edited September 21, 2024 by Aapje

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Hi all,

 

Thanks to everyone for your contributions, but now I'm even more lost because I don't know which ones to buy. I know there are many but this is just starting and will progress very quickly. As far as I understand, the HPs are a good buy but the day before yesterday I was disappointed because I bought a large box that said VR Glasses and it turns out that when I got home and opened it, it turned out that they were only the spare back straps and I was left wanting the Oculus but as I said they were just a strap So I'll return them and I'll have to buy a whole pair of glasses with everything possible. The ones I see the most are the Meta but it seems to me that the stores only sell them on firm order.

 

Qué tal estas: https://www.hp.com/es-es/shop/offer.aspx?p=c-auriculares-realidad-mixta

 

Well, sorry but I'm going to do a vote to see which ones win or which ones almost everyone has. What do you think?

 

Thx all  1/JSpan_Wind of 1/Jadgflieger Spanien Virtual scuadron. https://1jspan-fliegers.blogspot.com/2009/02/1jspanwind_26.html

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsV-kjQP4Ys5lCkepxnODg/videos

[Aapje]

The HP Reverb G2's are pretty good, but support is going away from Windows. So you can only use them for one more year or so with a patched Windows, and after that you have to run a Windows version with updates disabled. HP also no longer sells them, so the only option is 2nd hand. I would not get a headset that you can only (safely) use for one year.

 

Your hardware is too weak to make use of a Pimax Crystal Light. The most budget option that can make sense is a (2nd hand) Quest 2, but it will be blurry. Then a big step up in quality is the Pico 4. Then a smaller step up is the Quest 3. A big advantage of the Quest 3 over the Pico 4 is that it is going to be way easier to find help with tuning the headset. VR is already finicky enough, so I would suggest going for the Quest 3. You'll have a quality headset, that works well with relatively weak hardware, and where you can fairly easily find help on how to set it up properly.

 

The downside of all the Meta headsets is that at minimum you will need a new headstrap (the Aubika one is quite decent and the no battery version is quite cheap).

 

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Well, sorry but I'm going to do a vote to see which ones win or which ones almost everyone has. What do you think?

 

You can do that, but you've already gotten good advice. And you need to keep in mind that people who use the very expensive headsets will tend to have much faster video cards than you.

Edited October 7, 2024 by Aapje

[1Sascha]

On 9/16/2024 at 8:44 PM, Aapje said:

I would suggest the Pimax Crystal Light,

Probably also the full-fat Crystal if money is no object - as that thing has eye-tracking - which, AFAIK, the Light doesn't have. I've tried the non-Light on a squaddie's setup and the best way to describe the sensation would be that it was like looking at a 1440p or even 4K monitor... but in VR. I also found it a bit unwieldy and bulky - so probably not ideal if comfort is your highest priority. And I wouldn't want to drive it with anything less powerful than a 4090. If the leaked specs are correct, I'd even say a 5090 wouldn't be overkill.

 

On 9/16/2024 at 8:44 PM, Aapje said:

And reading glasses should be irrelevant for VR, since the (fixed) focal distance of these headsets is quite far away.

As I've needed weak reading glasses since I turned 45 or so, I can confirm that. I do need reading glasses for my monitor, but I don't need them in any VR-set I've owned or tried.

 

On 9/21/2024 at 4:20 PM, Aapje said:

The 4060 is very marginal for VR

 

Yup - my 3070 was enough to drive a Rift-S, but that VR-set is ancient in 2024 (was already outdated when I got it used back in 2022) and the picture quality is shockingly bad/coarse by today's standards. As a starting point to get your foot in the door and for a very good price (or for free 😄 ) it's still *ok*... -ish ... but you will want to upgrade pretty quickly. 

 

Meaning you'll also need to upgrade the rest of your system and especially your GPU.

 

I used a 2070 Super before the 3070 and that thing was struggling with even the Rift-S. According to Techpowerup:

 

2070 Super = 100%

4060 = 107%

3070 = 135%

4070 = 165%

4070 Super = 192%

 

IMO and for IL-2, you want *at least* a 4070 with the Quest 3 - plus, of course, an adequately fast and modern CPU. I went from an i5-12600K to an i7-14700 KF - mainly for better single thread performance as that's what folks say makes a big difference in IL-2 VR.

 

 

 

S.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2024 by 1Sascha

[Aapje]

@1Sascha

 

Money clearly is an issue, as the guy got a 4060. The Pimax is not a good choice for weaker hardware like that.

 

And I've already warned him that his GPU is marginal.

[1Sascha]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

Money clearly is an issue, as the guy got a 4060. The Pimax is not a good choice for weaker hardware like that.

Well, yeah... but:

 

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what is the best VR headset that can be purchased, that is, the best quality possible?

 

 

😄

 

S.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

On 10/8/2024 at 1:04 PM, 1Sascha said:

Well, yeah... but:

 

 

 

😄

 

S.

 

Yes, I want the best glasses, if possible, so I can put them on with prescription glasses, I can't see up close anymore.

 

Thx for all

[dryheat94]

4 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Wind75 said:

 

Yes, I want the best glasses, if possible, so I can put them on with prescription glasses, I can't see up close anymore.

 

 

VR uses your farsight, so if you only need reading glasses, you will not need glasses for VR.

[1Sascha]

10 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Wind75 said:

Yes, I want the best glasses, if possible, so I can put them on with prescription glasses, I can't see up close anymore.

 

Maybe you should read some of the replies you're getting here.

 

Like others and myself have pointed out repeatedly in this thread: Being far-sighted / needing reading glasses will not affect your VR-experience. Only folks who are near-sighted (or maybe have some other form of visual deficiency? Not sure) will need prescription lenses for their VR-set.

 

I am wearing my reading glasses (+1.5 to counter my age-related far-sightedness) right now as I'm typing this on my monitor, but I've never needed them in any VR set I've ever used.

 

 

 

If it's the best lenses/optical stack you're after for the least amount of money: Quest 3 is probably your best bet. From what I understand, it has the same pancake lenses as the older Quest Pro but with a better panel/higher res and at a much more affordable price. I went from Reverb G2 to Quest 3 and the difference in image quality, overall clarity and lack of sweetspot was immediately apparent to me. No way I would want to go back to the Reverb.

 

With a bit of luck, you can get these things for under 400 in very good condition. I got mine for that kind of money from ebay and it was practically new - buying a €20 replacement face-mask (which is also way more comfortable than the stock mask), made it even less "dubious" WRT hygiene ... 😄

 

Just don't expect to be able to run a Q3 or any other more modern VR-set on anything less powerful than an RTX 4070.

 

 

S.

Edited October 10, 2024 by 1Sascha

[Aapje]

@1/JSpan_Wind75

 

You keep digging up older headsets, with no understanding of why people are not suggesting those to you. Also, you keep assuming things that are incorrect.

 

Reading glasses are not an issue in VR, and even with regular prescription glasses, the solution is to get prescription glass inserts, not just to get a more expensive headset. Your 'solution' is like having issues seeing the road while driving, and buying a more expensive car, rather than to get the right prescription glasses.

 

Like I said before, the quality of the headset will be held back by the video card at a certain point, and you have chosen a pretty weak video card, so changing this should be a much higher priority for you than spending a huge amount on a VR headset. Anything better than a Quest 3 is going to be wasted on a 4060.

 

To be honest, with this mindset that you appear to have, where you seem to think that you know better than all of us, you are almost certainly going to have a bad experience with VR. It's hard to get things working in VR properly, and you have to learn from others to get things working optimally.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Hi Aapje,

 

First of all, where you have read that I think I know more than all the users of the FORUM, I don't understand you. You attack me without knowing that I have indeed been into combat simulation since there was an online SIM that was all over Europe and that it was mainly a strategy SIM since you could get a Jeep and go to Paris or Cologne in Germany. And in airplane SIM I started with the Red Baron a handful of years ago, but I think I asked very politely without wanting to make anyone look like a fool.

So it is better that you address me with good manners, I am already 68 years old, and I am not in the mood for nonsense.

 

Have good flights, and when I have the GLASSES if you want we can meet on a server and polish the differences in death combat. Thanks anyway for your contribution.

Raúl Suárez Jiménez

 

PS: I don't know where you have read that I am going to assemble an old PC. The PC they are building for me is state-of-the-art in every way: 64 GB of ultra-fast RAM, state-of-the-art Motherboard, super-large case with liquid cooling, state-of-the-art processor, and so on... The graphics card is the most powerful one available to date, so I don't know where you read that I'm going to build a PC from a few years ago.

 

Don't worry, I'll have a PC for a while after spending about €4,000

 

And of course the VR glasses will be the best on the market tomorrow. Hehehe... Chuschus Horrido!!!

 

https://ultimainformatica.com/pc-gaming-ultima-master-race-s1.html My new PC

https://ultimainformatica.com/pc-gaming-ultima-colossus.html

Edited October 10, 2024 by 1/JSpan_Wind75

[Voxman]

Have you looked at Varjo headsets?  Not sure about eyeglass accomodation (I'm near sighted...with astigmatism, and use 1.0+ reading glasses), no eyeglasses needed with the Aero, which is what I use, and have been quite happy with it.  Yes, there are FOV limitations, but the clarity is quite good.

 

Plus they are a Spanish company, which I'm assuming is where you are located?

 

 

[DBCOOPER011]

Isnt the Aero discontinued? I think they are selling the XR-4, but its a pretty big price tag. I believe the "Best" headsets for simming at a somewhat reasonable price are: Pimax Crystal Original/Light or the soon to release Super, Somnium VR1,  Bigscreen Beyond, and possibly also the new Megane X headset. The Meta Quest Pro/3 and Pico 4 Headsets are very good headsets as well, but dont have a displayport connection and prone to compression artificats in PCVR.

 

All these headsets have positives and negatives. Personally, I would get a displayport headset with eyetracking, but none are totally perfect..

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

7 hours ago, Voxman said:

Have you looked at Varjo headsets?  Not sure about eyeglass accomodation (I'm near sighted...with astigmatism, and use 1.0+ reading glasses), no eyeglasses needed with the Aero, which is what I use, and have been quite happy with it.  Yes, there are FOV limitations, but the clarity is quite good.

 

Plus they are a Spanish company, which I'm assuming is where you are located?

 

 

 

Hola DBCOOPERRO11,

 

2 hours ago, DBCOOPER011 said:

Isnt the Aero discontinued? I think they are selling the XR-4, but its a pretty big price tag. I believe the "Best" headsets for simming at a somewhat reasonable price are: Pimax Crystal Original/Light or the soon to release Super, Somnium VR1,  Bigscreen Beyond, and possibly also the new Megane X headset. The Meta Quest Pro/3 and Pico 4 Headsets are very good headsets as well, but dont have a displayport connection and prone to compression artificats in PCVR.

 

All these headsets have positives and negatives. Personally, I would get a displayport headset with eyetracking, but none are totally perfect..

 

Mobile, social network, video game and console companies are preparing for the virtual reality wave that is about to hit. Between 2015 and 2016, several companies plan to launch glasses and supports to make it easier for users to immerse themselves in environments that seem real.

Among the devices that already allow users to experience virtual reality with mobile devices (MVR, the acronym for 'virtual reality for mobile devices') there is one that has been on the market since last year, designed and manufactured (almost entirely) in Spain.

It is the Lakento MVR headset, wireless virtual reality glasses compatible with 4 to 6 inch smartphones with iOS and Android operating systems.

The video game developer, Víctor Ruiz (previously at Dinamic and FX Interactive), created a first version of the glasses with the help of his uncle, the industrial engineer Julio Tejedor.

 

Ruiz says that the idea came to him at the Cologne video game fair, Gamescom, where he tried the Durovis Dive. They are a support from a German company in the public domain. That is, as they are not patented, other manufacturers can use them to create their own.

Víctor Ruiz started creating games at home with his two brothers for Spectrum. This hobby became a profession and they developed titles, now with a company, for Amstrad, Amiga, Atari, etc., and finally PC.

 

A few years ago, Ruiz continued on his own with Lakento creating games for mobile phones. His latest occupation is the production of virtual reality glasses, their continuous improvement and the production of content to play with VR.

The Lakento MVR have continued to evolve since the first version launched last year. The current improved model will be available this September and can be tested at Madrid Games Week 2015 from October 1 to 4.

 

Characteristics of the Lakento glasses

The Lakento MVR glasses, which cost 49 euros, have several key elements, according to their creator. One of its most important features is the two buttons to touch the screen - made of conductive rubber - and play without the need for an external controller. This is achieved by moving your head and pressing the screen when the options appear.

 

Mobile security is another notable feature. Mobile phones of various sizes and screen resolutions can be firmly fitted into these glasses thanks to three plates with adjustable rubber foams. In addition, the device is protected by a slightly translucent cover that at the same time prevents light from entering.

As for optics, the Lakento have two biconvex lenses that can be adapted to the bone structure of each user with levers located at the top of the support.

Likewise, the next model of virtual reality glasses will have a new piece, a 'T' shaped plate to prevent people with long hair from getting caught in the closure of the glasses. All elements - except the head strap, which comes from China - are manufactured and assembled in Spain.

Virtual reality games.

Lakento already has two of its own games that go with the glasses, Sharks and House of Terror. After the summer they plan to publish Last War Hero, a war shooter in which the user is in a bunker and they come to attack him. In addition, they have four more titles in production.

 

On the other hand, the founder of Lakento comments that, given the diversity of optics of each virtual reality viewer, a method is being created so that the games adapt to the glasses, through a QR code that "tells" the title which optics it will be played with.

 

Víctor Ruiz urges video game developers to start creating titles for virtual reality, a market in which there is currently no mass production: "I think there is an opportunity now, later there will be a lot of content and if it is released earlier, the game in VR can stand out."

 

"Most games that are made in 3D can be converted to VR in two days. We provide technical support to adapt the game, the design, the adjustments and we publish," he stresses and explains that Lakento has developed a system so that the camera can be used in virtual reality video games and the creators do not have to do their own calculations.

LAB RTVE

Mobile, social network, video game and console companies are preparing for the virtual reality wave that is about to hit. Between 2015 and 2016, several companies plan to launch glasses and supports to make it easier for users to immerse themselves in environments that seem real.

 

Among the devices that already allow users to experience virtual reality with mobile devices (MVR, the acronym for 'virtual reality for mobile devices') there is one that has been on the market since last year, designed and manufactured (almost entirely) in Spain.

 

It is the Lakento MVR headset, wireless virtual reality glasses compatible with 4 to 6 inch smartphones with iOS and Android operating systems.

The video game developer, Víctor Ruiz (previously at Dinamic and FX Interactive), created a first version of the glasses with the help of his uncle, the industrial engineer Julio Tejedor.

 

Ruiz says that the idea came to him at the Cologne video game fair, Gamescom, where he tried the Durovis Dive. They are a support from a German company in the public domain. That is, as they are not patented, other manufacturers can use them to create their own.

Víctor Ruiz started creating games at home with his two brothers for Spectrum. This hobby became a profession and they developed titles, now with a company, for Amstrad, Amiga, Atari, etc., and finally PC.

 

A few years ago, Ruiz continued on his own with Lakento creating games for mobile phones. His latest occupation is the production of virtual reality glasses, their continuous improvement and the production of content to play with VR.

The Lakento MVR have continued to evolve since the first version launched last year. The current improved model will be available this September and can be tested at Madrid Games Week 2015 from October 1 to 4.

 

Characteristics of the Lakento glasses

The Lakento MVR glasses, which cost 49 euros, have several key elements, according to their creator. One of its most important features is the two buttons to touch the screen - made of conductive rubber - and play without the need for an external controller. This is achieved by moving your head and pressing the screen when the options appear.

 

Mobile security is another notable feature. Mobile phones of various sizes and screen resolutions can be firmly fitted into these glasses thanks to three plates with adjustable rubber foams. In addition, the device is protected by a slightly translucent cover that at the same time prevents light from entering.

As for optics, the Lakento have two biconvex lenses that can be adapted to the bone structure of each user with levers located at the top of the support.

Likewise, the next model of virtual reality glasses will have a new piece, a 'T' shaped plate to prevent people with long hair from getting caught in the closure of the glasses. All elements - except the head strap, which comes from China - are manufactured and assembled in Spain.

Virtual reality games.

Lakento already has two of its own games that go with the glasses, Sharks and House of Terror. After the summer they plan to publish Last War Hero, a war shooter in which the user is in a bunker and they come to attack him. In addition, they have four more titles in production.

On the other hand, the founder of Lakento comments that, given the diversity of optics of each virtual reality viewer, a method is being created so that the games adapt to the glasses, through a QR code that "tells" the title which optics it will be played with.

 

Víctor Ruiz urges video game developers to start creating titles for virtual reality, a market in which there is currently no mass production: "I think there is an opportunity now, later there will be a lot of content and if it is released earlier, the game in VR can stand out."

 

"Most games that are made in 3D can be converted to VR in two days. We provide technical support to adapt the game, the design, the adjustments and we publish," he stresses and explains that Lakento has developed a system so that the camera can be used in virtual reality video games and the creators do not have to do their own calculations.

LAB RTVE

[Aapje]

@1/JSpan_Wind75

 

I'm not attacking you. I'm warning you that continually ignoring the advice you get, is likely to result in a poor experience on your end.

 

And it seems that you've been misleading us, by showing us a box of a 4060, while saying "I'll add some pictures of my equipment." So logically I assumed that you were going to get or already got a 4060. And you did not correct me when I said so.

 

Getting a 4090 changes the options. With a 4090, the best option is probably the Pimax Crystal Light, which is going to give you better quality with such a strong video card. I would personally not suggest getting a more expensive VR headset than that, because all the more expensive options have their own downsides. It's hard for a beginner to VR to properly understand and deal with those downsides, and it's far from certain that you'll actually be happier with those more expensive options.

 

Anyway, I want to point out that asking for advice is a two way street. You need to give us correct information about what (level of) PC you have or are getting & you need to actually listen to the people who try to give you advice. Otherwise we are wasting our time trying to help you, because you do not allow us to help you.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

I understand you well, and I think your tone was bordering on rude to a person who is green on the subject of VR.

 

In any case, I posted some photos of the equipment without stopping to see if they were the correct ones. I will try to ensure that this does not happen again for the good of all.

 

Many thanks to everyone and best regards.

 

Raúl Suárez Jiménez (1/JSpan_Wind).

[Voxman]

15 hours ago, DBCOOPER011 said:

Isnt the Aero discontinued? I think they are selling the XR-4, but its a pretty big price tag. I believe the "Best" headsets for simming at a somewhat reasonable price are: Pimax Crystal Original/Light or the soon to release Super, Somnium VR1,  Bigscreen Beyond, and possibly also the new Megane X headset. The Meta Quest Pro/3 and Pico 4 Headsets are very good headsets as well, but dont have a displayport connection and prone to compression artificats in PCVR.

 

All these headsets have positives and negatives. Personally, I would get a displayport headset with eyetracking, but none are totally perfect..

Yes, Aero is discontinued and I picked it up when my G2 failed, and they repriced the Aero under $1K.   

 

Nevertheless, I'm happy with the quality of my unit so far.  Had one cable failure which was expediently replaced by Varjo, under warranty. 

 

The XR-4 is big money, but then again the original post was asking for the best.  And being that the poster is in EU, then Varjo, being a EU company, maybe a good purchase.  It seems to me that we are out of VR infancy, heck I was working with them in the psychophysiology field in the early 2010s when they were quite expensive and more geared for research use.   At this point VR has to really take off in the consumer market for any further development.  Hopefully over the next few years.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Your in luck because there's a few to pick from these days, gone for a while is the long dry spell. 

 

The real questions to be asking are what features you must have, and which you absolutely don't want.  For me it couldn't have a battery and had to directly plug into the graphics card, and above all highest res screens as I could get with glass lenses which couldn't be frensel. 

 

https://vr-compare.com/

 

Might help you sort it out, and allows you to see what is actually out there, or not.  A whole bunch of these never saw the light of day in the market, but gives you a good idea of what and where trends are moving.

[Aapje]

@Voxman

 

The Varjo XR-4 does seem quite decent, although it is so demanding that it probably requires a 5090 to make proper use of it.

@1/JSpan_Wind75

 

If you haven't bought the PC yet, you might want to wait just a few months for the 5090 and 5080 to be released. The 5080 should give you similar performance to the 4090 for a lesser price, and the 5090 should offer much better performance, although the price may be even higher than the 4090.

[BOO]

48 minutes ago, Aapje said:

If you haven't bought the PC yet, you might want to wait just a few months for the 5090 and 5080 to be released. The 5080 should give you similar performance to the 4090 for a lesser price, and the 5090 should offer much better performance, although the price may be even higher than the 4090.

 

You are aware of the latest leaked prices and specs? $1499 for 5080 with 16GB (albeit GDDR7)?   I hope its a "testing the water" leak but if its not, by the time 3rd party board  partners have added some childish RGB, a bit of edgy looking plastic moulding and an extra fan (given founders editions are generally limited) you might not be looking at much cheaper at all. All thats left then is do you need more Vram or faster Vram or both?

[Aapje]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

 

You are aware of the latest leaked prices and specs? $1499 for 5080 with 16GB (albeit GDDR7)?

 

That's not actually the leak. MLID gave a range for the 5080 from $1299 to $1499 and then people immediately started spreading misinformation by repeating the highest number.

 

Secondly, pricing leaks are notoriously unreliable, because unlike hardware specs, which have to be set in stone fairly early on and where lots of people have to see them, pricing is just a number in a spreadsheet and only a small number of people have to see them. So most leaks about pricing are probably gossip or intentional misinformation. At best, they are the real penciled in prices, that get re-evaluated close to release, so then they are still unreliable.

 

Finally, even if that highest price is right, that is lower than the MSRP of the 4090 and way lower than the actual prices. For obvious reasons, the 5080 is much less likely to become overpriced.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

5 hours ago, Aapje said:

 

That's not actually the leak. MLID gave a range for the 5080 from $1299 to $1499 and then people immediately started spreading misinformation by repeating the highest number.

 

Secondly, pricing leaks are notoriously unreliable, because unlike hardware specs, which have to be set in stone fairly early on and where lots of people have to see them, pricing is just a number in a spreadsheet and only a small number of people have to see them. So most leaks about pricing are probably gossip or intentional misinformation. At best, they are the real penciled in prices, that get re-evaluated close to release, so then they are still unreliable.

 

Finally, even if that highest price is right, that is lower than the MSRP of the 4090 and way lower than the actual prices. For obvious reasons, the 5080 is much less likely to become overpriced.

 

 

Hi Aapje,

 

It often happens on the Internet, you can't trust what you read, rumours multiply. It's like the scientific graphic designer who says the following:

 

"A Dromedary is a Greyhound run by a committee"

 

Napoleon Bonaparte said that when he wanted an issue to remain unresolved he entrusted it to a committee. It was in the early eighties when Carlos Rolando and Frank Memelsdorff made this metaphor visual, which is still the reference for criticising the choral voices that spoil the original idea of a good design.

 

Rolando & Memelsdorff (the name of the agency founded in Barcelona by the Argentine creatives Carlos Rolando and Frank Memelsdorff) gave the right tone with the animal variant that we know in Spanish to this idea of the greyhound, the committee and the dromedary. In fact, it is attributed to Alec Issigonis, designer of the original Mini car, who was not a big fan of teamwork and in an interview coined that a camel was a horse designed by a committee. Although in turn this camel and horse thing already appears in 1964 in the lyrics of the song Peter and the Commissar by Allan Sherman.

Beyond credits or metamorphosis, the famous poster by Carlos Rolando and Frank Memelsdorff recognizes that "a good team adds and multiplies individualities and reaches surprising synergistic levels" but warns that bad teams do not, and it is precisely these bad teams that are always lurking. It therefore hides more a criticism of the lack of commitment than of teamwork itself, since what it explains is that when within a committee, individuals try to avoid problems to seek personal achievements, the responsibility for failures is diluted and successes often remain an anecdote.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2024 by 1/JSpan_Wind75

[Edbert]

I lieu of starting a new thread, are there any updates to this topic for the 2nd half of 2025?

 

I finally upgraded to Windows 11 because I had to and have essentially bricked my VR headset (Reverb G2) with no hope of it ever working again unless I load Windows 10.

 

Is the Pimax Crystal still the best choice for under $1K? I play IL2 primarily, trying to get used to DCS. I also do racing games, but flight-combat is the primary use.

 

I will not need a controller or stand up while using VR, too old and will likely break something or myself if I try.

 

Or should I start a new thread on this?

[Aapje]

1 hour ago, Edbert said:

I finally upgraded to Windows 11 because I had to and have essentially bricked my VR headset (Reverb G2) with no hope of it ever working again unless I load Windows 10.

 

There is hope, since mbucchia plans to release a replacement for WMR this month. So you might want to wait for that (if you have an Nvidia card).

 

1 hour ago, Edbert said:

Is the Pimax Crystal still the best choice for under $1K?

 

I don't think that there is an objectively best choice. The Crystal Light has better graphics, but requires a stronger GPU than the Quest 3, and the quality control is not fantastic.

 

The Quest 3 is much more available on the second hand market, often minimally used, so it's perfectly feasible to get a near-new one at half the price of the Crystal Light or less. Is the Crystal Light even close to twice as good? Nope.

 

1 hour ago, Edbert said:

Or should I start a new thread on this?

 

Yes, you are effectively hijacking an advice thread from someone else, and they may not be interested in your question, but will get notifications.

[Panzerlang]

Replacement for WMR I believe:

Oasis Driver now in Steam Store - Virtual Reality - ED Forums